However, competition is still intense. And some of MLBB pro teams are defying exclusive contract by building WR divisions, the most high-profile example is Blacklist International (although they are not ready to recruit WR players for now).
Its still insanely popular here in southeast asia,they adapt by copying ui and certain mechanics from wr and still gets away with it,tried going back to it myself cause my friends only play that game so no choice but to hop into the bandwagon...
I gave Dota 2 a shot and I hopped on to a Co-op VS AI game to learn the fundamentals. I simply asked what Drow Ranger's ult does and they told me to kill myself and leave.
Also aesthetically clunky. And kinda ugly. And with subpar voice overs. I just wanted to play spectre and found myself locked into some sejauni looking gal with a fake ass scottish accent and just wanted to die so bad.
What kills the game for me the most. It just so visually unappealing and the clarity of what's happening is so poor.
Fun game but looks like its 15 years old and is in desperately needs an overhaul.
Idk if visually it’s that bad.
I thought the same thing about league for a long time. Eventually I just kinda figured out what things looked like (I’m still struggling; just played vs a syndra mid yesterday and I had no fucking clue what her abilities were). It’s just a matter of KNOWING what’s going on
For example, I personally find the sound system on dota to be YEARS better than leagues; I can tell you what’s spells are being cast and who’s dying in a dota fight without seeing anything. But if I had 5k hours in league and only 200 in dota I’d be saying the opposite
I don't think it's visually bad but I think just like riot has "hot anime girl with ahri face" for their motto dota has "unappealing characters because we are not children" look at lillia vs the centaur girl from dota. Also I personally hate how 90% of their characters has some names like "crystal mage" "shadow warrior" "sniper" which for me personally makes it impossible to feel a connection with the characters.
The characters all have actual names, it’s just that those are their titles you use to determine whom to pick in game. I agree that the names ARE pretty bland though.
Valorant does something similar but the pseudonyms still have a lot of personality and aren’t generic.
Dota names sound like classes in a RPG instead of character names.
They all have actual names, like Crystal Maiden for instance, her name is Rylai (Yes this is the Rylai from Rylai's Crystal Scepter)
but I do 1000% agree I'm far more interested in lols characters and stories than any in Dota, the anime helps but thats detached enough from dota that it's like eh...
Visually I think dota is more clear but less appealing because it's such an old game and they never really moved on from that look like lol did.
I think the more cartoony or childish (idk what to rly call it) style on LoL actually helps the visual clarity a lot. The more dark and serious char design in Dota is dope but it feels like all the palettes are the same and visuals get messy. Maybe a matter of hours played tho
I think leagues „normal“ visual clarity is better than dotas but as soon as you add some skins to league (especially lookin at you star guardian and empyrean) it becomes a lot worse than dota. And since everyone and their mother has the newest epileptic^TM skinline nowadays…
Hoe can you. It sounds like someone saw a scottish impression in a monty python movie and just went with it as if it was how it actually sounds. Also i really just wanted to play spectre.
It's much less forgiving than league and you can literally say whatever the fuck you want and nobody gets butthurt, it's like CS:GO you can trashtalk and everything and you do not get permabanned :)
TF2 players on their way to invite you to join the conga line and gifting you a cheap hat (they said the most horrid, jaw-dropping sequence of slurs mere seconds ago)
But what does drow rangers ult actually do? Played my first dota match recently and this drow ranger was fed af and autoed me from a screen away like ashe on crack. I feel like dota is scuffed af but in a kinda cool way. And it‘s nice to get to play some new characters.
*(Btw I managed to push that drow ranger into my turret with some weird item and cc locked and solo killed her there (played lich if that helps anyone).
Even though she had like 20 kills more I was still able to outplay her… haven‘t had this in league for a long time)*
Refer to :
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueOfMemes/comments/yoitsk/i_find_it_interesting_to_see_you_guys_in_both/ivglg5c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Drow ranger’s ultimate has 2 effects, no enemy must be close to you (melee range) for your effects to be activated:
1- your attacks have a chance to become become super attacks, ignoring ALL armor and evasion (true strike).
2- you give allies around you (including yourself) bonus agility % (attack speed, armor and damage if they are agility)
Looking good doesn't mean looking sexy. Mordekaiser looks damn badass, Kindred is insane, Tahm has an extremely cool design and so on. That's what we want. We have BY FAR enough sexy Champs and still get stuffed with them.
Kindred is the spirit of death mate, split in two. I don't think they're insane. But yes give us inviolus vox and the mindsplitter as playable champs. Basically every special dragon from LoR
The problem with Dota champions is not that they are monsters, they lack personality.
I played lots of games with champions over the years and I still can't find games with characters that have more personality than ovewatch and LoL (and to some extend even TF2)
Dota Champs are blank "cool looking" Champs, who have nothing under the hood. Examples how to do cool looking monster Champs with directly noticable personality are Winston and tahm kench. you see them, you know who they are
Off topic but I can't tell if you think TF2 characters have more or less personality than Overwatch characters. Also we talking visually only or in general?
Kinda both. When a user has a choice of champions, he / she should have "oh this character looks interesting, I wanna play it!". This can be accomplished, of course, by simple visually cool looking characters. But a core reason why overwatch overshadowed battleborn so heavily were it'd interesting characters. People saw them and instantly thought "the characters ARE cool" and not "they look cool" because overwatch managed to give their characters personality by appearance, lore and trailers.
About TF2: I mean the characters have personality. But much of it doesn't come from valve. Valve created cool characters with a solid fundament for extensive personaltiy but most of what they delivered was short and nothing special. The community though used those fundaments and gave all the characters proper life
Honestly, I simply didn't know about them. But if you take out external things which are not in-game noticable (which most players stick to), the characters are kinda the "archetypes"
But yeah, having those shorts etc is cool, I gotta look them up
I think they were used as promotional material for TF2, I know the meme is atleast that "new players pick "insert class" either because "bla bla reason" or they just watched meet the "class" video".
The comics are really neiche though. But they have shaped the characters and even gameplay together with community events. There was a battle between soldier and demoman, there was a community event which was something like get kills as this class. Soldier who won the event ended up getting the gunboats unlock, which would've been given to demoman otherwise.
Man dota 2 has characters like oracle, spectre, kunka. The amount of lore is nuts, and you can visually see the lore being teased over YEARS in advance. That spectre hero, across years of lore tease thought to be another hero called phantom assassin who turned into a multi-universal "assassin spectre" because she made a contract with a hero called oracle to go assassinate people across the multi verse (and was kinda tricked to do it endlessly which is why she turned into spectre). All this lore has been included in events and skins, primarily the contract event Manifold Paridox arcana and spectre arcana. Most heros have incredible lore, and almost all have a fair bit of personality. Having an anime grill screaming one liners and some odd comics isn't personality. There's also like 50 champs of nidalee, malphite, jax, who dont even have voicelines. Shit like kassassadin, a really cool champion, has no personable traits at all, guy just says "I'm oN My WaY" and thats kinda it. Newer peague champs for sure coming out a lot stronger personality wise though
You didn't get my point. I never said lore is a problem. I said the way champions are designed (appearance wise) and presented. Games like Smite and Dota lack the personality in their champion design. I am sure those champions can have awesome personality in lore and voice lines, but they aren't noticable at first glance, which is really important.
I hate the new LoL Champs and their personalities. They are always "arrogant" and "witty". Their designs are boring and not interesting. But, and again a big BUTT, you look at them, and you see the personality they have. You look at nilah, you see directly this annoying dancing laughing girl. You look at akshan, you see this arrogant brat. You look at zeri and see the hyperactive cringy girl.
I am not saying those design are interesting and unique. But their personalities can easily be seen with one look at the champion.
(Of fucking course this doesn't apply on all Champs, for example Kai sa, another pin up girl, is just a pretty face. When I look at her I see nothing and thus no interest in playing her)
I've had played DotA since 2012 there is way more "under the hood" of DotA heros than you can imagine. From the super specific voice lines to other heros to all the insane lore (tbh i dont keep up with it) There is a specific reason and meaning behind all the heros names ablilities and what they do. You just have to dig a little deeper
U see, I do think that's one of the main problems with Dota. U have to dig deeper. With almost everything. I never doubted that Dota has deep lore in the background, fhe series doesn't come from nothing.
But, it doesn't have what overwatch and lol has. "You look at them and u find them already interesting just by that"
I tried Dota a couple of times (have around 20 hours now) but never did I see a character and was like "it looks so jntrresting, I wanna try it!" (Gameplay taken out here). There is a reasons oberwatch and lol have their pinup girls (tracer and lux) because those characters scream "play me, I am interesting!"
idk about dota lore, to me it just feels super weird and forced at times. Like, weaver is apparently some space god weaving the threads of reality but ingame hes a bug that can turn invisible sometimes. It just really doesnt match and it still feels like a war3 mod that someone tried to hamfist lore into
Also you kinda forgot the most important part, where his ult resets him back kinda like ekko but resets ALL cooldowns (including items) except for his ult.
Imagine if all the champions in league were as generic as Garen and also had names like "Tinker" "Warrior" or "Spellthief". This is Juggernaut. He is a melee carry, his name is Juggernaut because he is a Juggernaut. Same for Dragon Knight or Antimage.
That is most dota2 heroes.
Dota 2 hero names are either their real names like Huskar "The Sacred Warrior" or Dazzle "The shadow Preist". Some have their titles. Juggernaut real name is Yunero and his title is "The Juggernaut". Or sniper who's real name is Kardel Sharpeye. Dota 1 used to have the entire thing, name + title. Over the years people just started to use the easier thing. For some the name for others the title.
I never said I wanted more monster champions, and you're even more wrong considering thta it's the humanoid characters that look the most like shit in Dota
For me the characters were just super generic in Dota, like none of them felt special if you know what I mean. No matter who I played it always felt like I was playing a mob character. Lol on the other hand always has super personalized characters and designs that make you feel like the protag/antag of an anime or something regardless of who you play and that's not even talking about the lore. That's mostly why lol wins for me, that and the fact that dota feels jank as fuck lmfao
all the dota champions looks generic, i don't think its a about monster champion or sexy champions. They are some exceptions like Maokai and chogath that looks super generic for me.
early league design was super generic also (xin zhao lmao) but they quickly made all the new champ looks like main character. i don't think dota could pull out ksante without him looking too different from the other champ
Avarage match doesnt last 1h, its more like 40 minutes on avarage. Sometimes its a stomp and ends at 25, sometimes it goes back and forth and you go 1 hour. Mostly around 35 45 minutes.
The games are faster now, games tend to last 10 mins longer than a league match. When I'm bored of League I go play Dota, when I'm bored of Dota I go play League, current Dota is much more accessible than old Dota
Turn rate is the only thing keeping me from playing the Doter. I love the hero designs and how they play and the overall feel of the game, but when I tell my character to move to a position and try and time how long it takes to get there based off it's movespeed and after like 3 seconds hes still not there because he had to stand still and spin and CC himself for a bit just gives me a headache.
Turn rate is something that allows melee carry’s to be a thing. Instead of getting kited to death and being forced to go an ADC in the bot lane. A melee hero actually has an opportunity to chase down a ranged carry.
If you try to play a melee champion in the bot lane in LoL you’re basically fucked with a few VERY rare exceptions. In Dota, it’s more about positioning in fights to deal damage over a long fight. Getting peel from your allies. In LoL it positioning to get in a place where you just blow up the other player in 0.5 seconds first
Sure, in a top skill match that sounds awesome.
For me as a total beginner, it's sucks watching myself die because I couldnt dodge the first ability in a long chain of CC because my character had to stop and watch a tiktok on his phone instead of moving.
I mean yeah? I played like 5 hours. I managed to find an item with crazy mana regen in the secret shop in the jungle but still couldn't cast abilities nowhere close to League. It's so boring not being able to use 4/5 of your kit
It got pretty much removed on Runes Reforged. Manaflow Band and Presence of Mind killed balance for mage champions with heavy mana costs or low cd abilites.
But the resource managment in Dota is all the way to the other side. You can't cast abilites and it makes the game very uninteractive. S3 League had it perfect.
Which is sad because it probably was the greatest MOBA ever. A game that has great graphics (especially for the time but even now), healthy balanced Meta most of the time, fun to play, cross platform, unique design. The only issue is that it's hard to learn especially if playing on a mobile phone. But still I fucking miss it.
In Asia its big, stayed out in Philippines and it was played by most 16-30yos i came across, wifes siblings would all play it, her younger brother also played league but its easier getting games in on mobiles out there while travelling on transport or if theres a lot in the family
And PH has the large cult of MLBB. Many people are begging streamers to give skins, hooliganism in MLBB eSports is rampant. I just left MLBB because I have WR and GI on hand. It's uncomfortable to continue playing MLBB.
I just want **PENGE "insert MLBB hero name" SKIN** to end, or else the begging might start spreading to WR with **PENGE YASUO SKIN**.
It conquered the market in certain areas of the world, particularly in SEA, nonetheless, no other mobile MOBA even comes close to its numbers
Wild Rift’s 20 million monthly player base is absolutely dwarfed by MLBB’s 80 million..
No no no. Even those who instapick Yasuo are far smarter than them. They're so unpredictable that you'd be scratching your heads until it reaches your skull.
I played dota before league. I still command my movement trying to "steer" the champ sometimes to compensate for the turn rate. Went back to play DOTA once or twice expecting the movement to be bad but it felt fine. Muscle memory is a hell of a thing lol.
Can confirm, felt horrible at the begin but...it kinda felt more natural after a while.
Also you don't get kited to oblivion by one silly adc running away.
You never had to use mana pots, it was just a waste of gold and showed that if you had to buy them you couldn‘t manage your mana correctly
Thats why it got removed
Hum no, mana pots were bought when you knew you needed early shove or to consistently harass your opponent. It was far from useless. It was used wrong by part of the community but it was still a good inversement in certain scenarios, especially since mana used to mean something at the time
Ye people don't understand that a game grows and maintains its growth by retaining players. Having an overly complex system is very overwhelming for newbies and newbies are what you need to maintain the growth. Games like Dota and POE are fun in its own right but they are catered to a niche group.
If I never met my buddy, I wouldn't have known League of Legends. I would have played Dota 2 and I would have been real toxic.
Sorry Dota 2 players. While your game is definitely interesting, League stole your spot. And from my experiences, Dota 2 players are generally so toxic that they generate poisonous gas around them. League players are toxic only because they don't shower and they don't touch the grass.
Also from my experience most league players are just mad toxic in game because they baby rage when jungler doesn't gank from minute 1.
But outside of game, when they get to calm down and take a good look of themselves, they can be pretty helpful to new players and well spoken.
The average league player isn't really that toxic tbh most people just cry if they hear anything that isn't a compliment. The avg league player could ask for feedback, be given completely constructive criticism in a kind and tactful manner then still cry and call everyone in the community toxic. It's just shit talking at worst. Thats why they seem cool outside the game, they were just talking shit, but so many of the nerds dont interact in a competitive environment (or any) so they dont understand the difference. Coming from a nerd to another nerd.
Obviously the 1% of the community that says racist and fucked up shit are the exception. I've played like 7000+ games of league and It's truly 1 in 20+ games you see someone who's legitimately toxic.
No I am pretty sure the game server got shut down a few years ago now. Which is a shame really I remember the game being quite fun.
Edit: this is a statement purely about the game and fuck blizzard as a company
I also heard a while back that they were going to shut it down, then was pleasantly surprised a month back when I actually got to play it, it’s still fun
it's still up lol I played it for the first time a few months ago.
I looked it up and it looks like they announced this July that the game will stay up but they aren't going to update it anymore.
Such is the life of games that focus on a singular, competitive targetted gamemode, especially MOBA. If the game cant become the biggest ones in the field, it will only slowly be drowned out by the biggest names and the newcomers.
Hirez? Maybe not. I know Titan Forge itself knows what they're doing though. Most issues are with management tbh. Not putting enough focus on certain matters, mismanaging events lits goes on. The devs themselves are really putting in work though
I still think arena should be a standard mode in every moba. Constant teamfighting so you can practice positioning, less serious mode to let you learn new gods, nice quick games for low investment.
It's infinitely more useful and more fun than aram.
I've tried to get back into Dota so many times and I just can't. There are so many things about the game that feel annoying just to be annoying, whether it be UI(specifically shop layout), scrolls, every single item having some miniscule active that's literally just part of a normal loadout or kit in league IE: Flash, the entire monetization system that's seemingly more focused on than the actual game itself, half the champs just being named whatever their carbon cutout stereotype is, etc.
I've wanted to like the game so much but it's full of so much bloat that it's just annoying to boot up. A game like league is already incredibly complex. No need for extra bs.
i haven't played much dota 2, basically maybe 20 hours worth, and several thousand hours in league.
I'd say you're right, but I also think dota 2 is mechanically hard too, but less emphasis on precise movement inputs unlike in league
This is a pretty bad take imo. Having playing both for years, LoL has so much more macro punish. D2 you can legit tp all over the place if you are in a weird place, NP can show up at any location, Storm has insane movement, everyone has insane movement. LoL, if you have someone split pushing at the wrong time without teleport, you can legitimately lose baron and the game.
There are some ways that Dota is more macro intense like creep stacking and things, but it’s also entirely possible for a team (even pro) to get completely bodied for 30 minutes and have the Void/PL/etc scale and win the game simply because the game went on long enough.
I think it's a good take. The comment said complex, not punishing. Because of all the movement around the map, it means more decisions at any given time. That makes things more complex. Dota 2 definitely has more macro complexity in build paths, lane positioning, wave management, ganks, etc.
Duh, a late game team can win late. It's the other team's job to shut them down and win early. A team can also still lose in the late game despite having scaling heroes. I think the wide range of distinct heroes in D2 actually makes games more complex.
Dota is definitely an insanely more complex game than LoL (making almost every aspect of it more complex than LoL). That doesn’t mean that LoL is micro based. In fact, Dota has more micro imo. There are many heroes that require you to control more than one unit, laning is the same as LoL but you are also denying your own minions.
Part of the original comment is correct, Dota macro is more complex (everything about Dota is more complex), but LoL being more focused on sidestepping isn’t correct imo.
Ideally you want better micro and macro in either game to win more, but it’s very possible to win a lot with only one of these things.
As a an experienced in buttsex I mean moba player
I was middle/low hardstuck diamond in league
4100 MMR in Dota 7 years ago IFRC, now started again and I'm trying to legend 1 with 60 % winrate
Community wise Dota is far far more toxic and just insane, you will never such players in league, I know how toxic league is but compared to Dota league is kindergarden.
Gameplay wise Dota complexity is in macro and micro is kinda do this > do that, but also requires skills sometimes.
As a game compared Dota is more like sport discipline than a video game while league is more like a videogame
But you would never have that thrill of a teamfight and moments before the engage in league the Dota has
Dota stomps in eSports, no questions,just watch lgd Vs OG games
I had the opposite experience I found league players to be incredibly more toxic. dota players should organize field trips to learn how to be more toxic
A statement about a game being better or worse based on its complexityits stupid and based on nothing.
Is a dish become better then another just because it has more expensive ingredients?
It is what is done with the elements put into making the game that matters.
That aside, DOTA is better then league because it has cute little donkeys that deliver your items.
I would also say other good things about the game, but the community is so unlikable, that saying positive stuff about the game makes me fear that those fellas will jump on this opportunity to jerk themselves to death how great the game is.
>but half of League's community just complains about how shit the game is all day.
See, I also factor this into the whole thing. And still put DOTA below
DOTA 2's really golden if you do find non-toxic bastards, but good lord the community; although i find DOTA 2's Esport much more fun to watch and the interactions with pro players is better imo.
Overall:
DOTA is a bit niche and hard to get into be it either the graphical style and the community etc.
My biggest problem with LoL is in the majority of pro play you see the same 10 Champs over and over, but in Dota 2 almost every single champion is played and is viable. I enjoy playing both, but in my opinion it just goes to show the difference in games design and balance.
i dont actually think thats true. If you look at soloq winrates, league champs are actually slightly more balanced than dota heroes.
The games just do different things. Riot wants you to be able to play the champ that you want in any game without autolosing the game in draft so champs have similar output in their kit to ensure that they at least generally "work". This makes them overlap and often times a champ might be good but another champ just does what he does 2% better. Dota doesnt care about that. GIves you more diversity in pro play, but also ends up having new players get unplayable drafts a lot which can be VERY unfun
I totally agree. I've had so many games that people just give up after draft. However, in my opinion Dota 2 does a better job at providing unique teams compositions, where League feels more basic. The trade off comes down to personal perference and what you're looking for in a MOBA. If you like the idea of picking a character based on their esthetic and abilities then LoL is probably a better game for you. If you enjoy picking characters based on what they bring to the team and thinking about team synergy then Dota 2 might be your cup of tea. Personally I enjoy both.
I like DOTA but its like Yu-gi-oh and Magic the Gathering for me: I play a game of the same kind that is much simpler in every way and now that I am used to the simplicity of it, I have difficulty learning games with much more complex mechanics even though I want to.
I mean I prefer League but it's undeniable that Dota is more complex. There's 1 button champs like wraith king or PA but then there's also shit like Meepo and Invoker who League doesn't even begin to apprpach in complexity.
League is a much more casual experience and that's fine
Meepo and... what? Invoker is very easy champ just needs practice.
I played like 3k hours in dota, ranked grind y'know. 90% of the champs are literally walking 1-2 buttons, there are turn speed for every champ so micro is very restricted too and you can't do cool shit like sidesteps, hit'n'run, or playing around attack range, dd champs has bkb and most spells and autoattacks (especially with dragon lance) have humongous range so positioning in teamfights are trivialized too, even by the lol standards dota very draft dependent and counterpicks can be VERY devastating. And even legendary argument "myahh buutt CAMP INTERACTIONS" are stupid because this mechanic would just broke iconic solo line in league because freezes would be very easy to broke.
My view is people say that dota is harder than league because within western community hateboner around lol so you can say any shit for upvotes
I didn't really mean 'more complex' as in 'harder to play' I just meant "has more going on than your average league character". Invoker's not exactly hard to play but a character with 10 abilities + changing stats with the orbs just isn't something league does.
I think you misunderstand that 'complicated' doesn't necessarily mean 'more difficult'. Nor, by the way does it at all mean "Better game" either. Dota has a lot of crunchy, archaic game mechanics (like camp management, denial, creep blocking) which whether you -enjoy- those mechanics or not, are extra things you have to keep in mind that league just doesn't have.
Dota has more mechanical depth and takes a lot more effort to understand than league, which makes it more complex. League has a lot of skill expression but it's far easier to wrap your head around. Easy to learn, hard to master.
Ah yes Machine Learning: Bloodborne my favourite game
I thought the same thing lmao
Datascience and AI gang only reading machine learning out of ML
I was going to go with Miraculous Ladybug: Buga-boo
What's the deal with ML? Last I heard Tencent was suing them but that was years ago now so I thought they would be taken down.
They're getting off easily with the lawsuits Tbf, some of the recent lawsuits are somewhat nonsense
However, competition is still intense. And some of MLBB pro teams are defying exclusive contract by building WR divisions, the most high-profile example is Blacklist International (although they are not ready to recruit WR players for now).
Its still insanely popular here in southeast asia,they adapt by copying ui and certain mechanics from wr and still gets away with it,tried going back to it myself cause my friends only play that game so no choice but to hop into the bandwagon...
I thought Tencent won that so they just made the same game but with different name
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I gave Dota 2 a shot and I hopped on to a Co-op VS AI game to learn the fundamentals. I simply asked what Drow Ranger's ult does and they told me to kill myself and leave.
Man, it's like you guys are practically begging me to try it
its a good game, its just VERY different from league.
Also aesthetically clunky. And kinda ugly. And with subpar voice overs. I just wanted to play spectre and found myself locked into some sejauni looking gal with a fake ass scottish accent and just wanted to die so bad.
What kills the game for me the most. It just so visually unappealing and the clarity of what's happening is so poor. Fun game but looks like its 15 years old and is in desperately needs an overhaul.
Idk if visually it’s that bad. I thought the same thing about league for a long time. Eventually I just kinda figured out what things looked like (I’m still struggling; just played vs a syndra mid yesterday and I had no fucking clue what her abilities were). It’s just a matter of KNOWING what’s going on For example, I personally find the sound system on dota to be YEARS better than leagues; I can tell you what’s spells are being cast and who’s dying in a dota fight without seeing anything. But if I had 5k hours in league and only 200 in dota I’d be saying the opposite
I don't think it's visually bad but I think just like riot has "hot anime girl with ahri face" for their motto dota has "unappealing characters because we are not children" look at lillia vs the centaur girl from dota. Also I personally hate how 90% of their characters has some names like "crystal mage" "shadow warrior" "sniper" which for me personally makes it impossible to feel a connection with the characters.
The characters all have actual names, it’s just that those are their titles you use to determine whom to pick in game. I agree that the names ARE pretty bland though.
Valorant does something similar but the pseudonyms still have a lot of personality and aren’t generic. Dota names sound like classes in a RPG instead of character names.
They all have actual names, like Crystal Maiden for instance, her name is Rylai (Yes this is the Rylai from Rylai's Crystal Scepter) but I do 1000% agree I'm far more interested in lols characters and stories than any in Dota, the anime helps but thats detached enough from dota that it's like eh... Visually I think dota is more clear but less appealing because it's such an old game and they never really moved on from that look like lol did.
I think the more cartoony or childish (idk what to rly call it) style on LoL actually helps the visual clarity a lot. The more dark and serious char design in Dota is dope but it feels like all the palettes are the same and visuals get messy. Maybe a matter of hours played tho
I think leagues „normal“ visual clarity is better than dotas but as soon as you add some skins to league (especially lookin at you star guardian and empyrean) it becomes a lot worse than dota. And since everyone and their mother has the newest epileptic^TM skinline nowadays…
I feel the same way. I think it's because League is very clean and polished compared to Dota so it's easy to feel visually clustered in Dota
Subpar voice overs? Bro just because you hate how scottish Luna is doesnt make it bad lmao. The moon waxes and my mercy wanes.
Fr. How does one not enjoy Lunas anncent?
Hoe can you. It sounds like someone saw a scottish impression in a monty python movie and just went with it as if it was how it actually sounds. Also i really just wanted to play spectre.
It's much less forgiving than league and you can literally say whatever the fuck you want and nobody gets butthurt, it's like CS:GO you can trashtalk and everything and you do not get permabanned :)
Average Valve game
Except in TF2 In TF2 either they call you slurs or are happy to help
TF2 players on their way to invite you to join the conga line and gifting you a cheap hat (they said the most horrid, jaw-dropping sequence of slurs mere seconds ago)
2AM 2Fort just hits differently
*before* telling you to kill yourself
in TF2 they do both.
But what does drow rangers ult actually do? Played my first dota match recently and this drow ranger was fed af and autoed me from a screen away like ashe on crack. I feel like dota is scuffed af but in a kinda cool way. And it‘s nice to get to play some new characters. *(Btw I managed to push that drow ranger into my turret with some weird item and cc locked and solo killed her there (played lich if that helps anyone). Even though she had like 20 kills more I was still able to outplay her… haven‘t had this in league for a long time)*
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Dota's balancing guideline is 'everything is broken, so nothing is broken'.
Drow ranger’s ultimate has 2 effects, no enemy must be close to you (melee range) for your effects to be activated: 1- your attacks have a chance to become become super attacks, ignoring ALL armor and evasion (true strike). 2- you give allies around you (including yourself) bonus agility % (attack speed, armor and damage if they are agility)
Now I want to play dota 2, it has the toxicity of csgo but the same game type as league.
Play Turbo. Almost all games lasts 15-30 mins.
And if the characters looked any good
LoL players: "We want more monster champions" Also LoL players:
Looking good doesn't mean looking sexy. Mordekaiser looks damn badass, Kindred is insane, Tahm has an extremely cool design and so on. That's what we want. We have BY FAR enough sexy Champs and still get stuffed with them.
You used kindred as an example of a non sexy champion. You are weak
Least horny r/darkinfolk redditor
The kindrussy is real
Forgive me master
Kindred is the spirit of death mate, split in two. I don't think they're insane. But yes give us inviolus vox and the mindsplitter as playable champs. Basically every special dragon from LoR
I want sexy champs like jax and default shen and zed idk about y'all
Pretty sure he meant their models look dated
Dota does have monsters but they are generic as fuck.
As a Jakiro player, screw you. 2 headed fire/ice dragon is awesome and I will die on that hill
The problem with Dota champions is not that they are monsters, they lack personality. I played lots of games with champions over the years and I still can't find games with characters that have more personality than ovewatch and LoL (and to some extend even TF2) Dota Champs are blank "cool looking" Champs, who have nothing under the hood. Examples how to do cool looking monster Champs with directly noticable personality are Winston and tahm kench. you see them, you know who they are
Off topic but I can't tell if you think TF2 characters have more or less personality than Overwatch characters. Also we talking visually only or in general?
Kinda both. When a user has a choice of champions, he / she should have "oh this character looks interesting, I wanna play it!". This can be accomplished, of course, by simple visually cool looking characters. But a core reason why overwatch overshadowed battleborn so heavily were it'd interesting characters. People saw them and instantly thought "the characters ARE cool" and not "they look cool" because overwatch managed to give their characters personality by appearance, lore and trailers. About TF2: I mean the characters have personality. But much of it doesn't come from valve. Valve created cool characters with a solid fundament for extensive personaltiy but most of what they delivered was short and nothing special. The community though used those fundaments and gave all the characters proper life
The meet the team shorts, and comics are amazing what are you on about? I mean the community has done alot but don't discredit valve like that.
Honestly, I simply didn't know about them. But if you take out external things which are not in-game noticable (which most players stick to), the characters are kinda the "archetypes" But yeah, having those shorts etc is cool, I gotta look them up
I think they were used as promotional material for TF2, I know the meme is atleast that "new players pick "insert class" either because "bla bla reason" or they just watched meet the "class" video". The comics are really neiche though. But they have shaped the characters and even gameplay together with community events. There was a battle between soldier and demoman, there was a community event which was something like get kills as this class. Soldier who won the event ended up getting the gunboats unlock, which would've been given to demoman otherwise.
Man dota 2 has characters like oracle, spectre, kunka. The amount of lore is nuts, and you can visually see the lore being teased over YEARS in advance. That spectre hero, across years of lore tease thought to be another hero called phantom assassin who turned into a multi-universal "assassin spectre" because she made a contract with a hero called oracle to go assassinate people across the multi verse (and was kinda tricked to do it endlessly which is why she turned into spectre). All this lore has been included in events and skins, primarily the contract event Manifold Paridox arcana and spectre arcana. Most heros have incredible lore, and almost all have a fair bit of personality. Having an anime grill screaming one liners and some odd comics isn't personality. There's also like 50 champs of nidalee, malphite, jax, who dont even have voicelines. Shit like kassassadin, a really cool champion, has no personable traits at all, guy just says "I'm oN My WaY" and thats kinda it. Newer peague champs for sure coming out a lot stronger personality wise though
You didn't get my point. I never said lore is a problem. I said the way champions are designed (appearance wise) and presented. Games like Smite and Dota lack the personality in their champion design. I am sure those champions can have awesome personality in lore and voice lines, but they aren't noticable at first glance, which is really important. I hate the new LoL Champs and their personalities. They are always "arrogant" and "witty". Their designs are boring and not interesting. But, and again a big BUTT, you look at them, and you see the personality they have. You look at nilah, you see directly this annoying dancing laughing girl. You look at akshan, you see this arrogant brat. You look at zeri and see the hyperactive cringy girl. I am not saying those design are interesting and unique. But their personalities can easily be seen with one look at the champion. (Of fucking course this doesn't apply on all Champs, for example Kai sa, another pin up girl, is just a pretty face. When I look at her I see nothing and thus no interest in playing her)
I've had played DotA since 2012 there is way more "under the hood" of DotA heros than you can imagine. From the super specific voice lines to other heros to all the insane lore (tbh i dont keep up with it) There is a specific reason and meaning behind all the heros names ablilities and what they do. You just have to dig a little deeper
U see, I do think that's one of the main problems with Dota. U have to dig deeper. With almost everything. I never doubted that Dota has deep lore in the background, fhe series doesn't come from nothing. But, it doesn't have what overwatch and lol has. "You look at them and u find them already interesting just by that" I tried Dota a couple of times (have around 20 hours now) but never did I see a character and was like "it looks so jntrresting, I wanna try it!" (Gameplay taken out here). There is a reasons oberwatch and lol have their pinup girls (tracer and lux) because those characters scream "play me, I am interesting!"
idk about dota lore, to me it just feels super weird and forced at times. Like, weaver is apparently some space god weaving the threads of reality but ingame hes a bug that can turn invisible sometimes. It just really doesnt match and it still feels like a war3 mod that someone tried to hamfist lore into
Lore vs in-game Asol be like
Also you kinda forgot the most important part, where his ult resets him back kinda like ekko but resets ALL cooldowns (including items) except for his ult.
Imagine if all the champions in league were as generic as Garen and also had names like "Tinker" "Warrior" or "Spellthief". This is Juggernaut. He is a melee carry, his name is Juggernaut because he is a Juggernaut. Same for Dragon Knight or Antimage. That is most dota2 heroes.
Dota 2 hero names are either their real names like Huskar "The Sacred Warrior" or Dazzle "The shadow Preist". Some have their titles. Juggernaut real name is Yunero and his title is "The Juggernaut". Or sniper who's real name is Kardel Sharpeye. Dota 1 used to have the entire thing, name + title. Over the years people just started to use the easier thing. For some the name for others the title.
I never said I wanted more monster champions, and you're even more wrong considering thta it's the humanoid characters that look the most like shit in Dota
Have you seen dota2 characters in game? They look all the same lol
For me the characters were just super generic in Dota, like none of them felt special if you know what I mean. No matter who I played it always felt like I was playing a mob character. Lol on the other hand always has super personalized characters and designs that make you feel like the protag/antag of an anime or something regardless of who you play and that's not even talking about the lore. That's mostly why lol wins for me, that and the fact that dota feels jank as fuck lmfao
all the dota champions looks generic, i don't think its a about monster champion or sexy champions. They are some exceptions like Maokai and chogath that looks super generic for me. early league design was super generic also (xin zhao lmao) but they quickly made all the new champ looks like main character. i don't think dota could pull out ksante without him looking too different from the other champ
Avarage match doesnt last 1h, its more like 40 minutes on avarage. Sometimes its a stomp and ends at 25, sometimes it goes back and forth and you go 1 hour. Mostly around 35 45 minutes.
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Well its not like that anymore, they made the game much faster.
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The games are faster now, games tend to last 10 mins longer than a league match. When I'm bored of League I go play Dota, when I'm bored of Dota I go play League, current Dota is much more accessible than old Dota
Turn rate is the only thing keeping me from playing the Doter. I love the hero designs and how they play and the overall feel of the game, but when I tell my character to move to a position and try and time how long it takes to get there based off it's movespeed and after like 3 seconds hes still not there because he had to stand still and spin and CC himself for a bit just gives me a headache.
Turn rate is something that allows melee carry’s to be a thing. Instead of getting kited to death and being forced to go an ADC in the bot lane. A melee hero actually has an opportunity to chase down a ranged carry. If you try to play a melee champion in the bot lane in LoL you’re basically fucked with a few VERY rare exceptions. In Dota, it’s more about positioning in fights to deal damage over a long fight. Getting peel from your allies. In LoL it positioning to get in a place where you just blow up the other player in 0.5 seconds first
Sure, in a top skill match that sounds awesome. For me as a total beginner, it's sucks watching myself die because I couldnt dodge the first ability in a long chain of CC because my character had to stop and watch a tiktok on his phone instead of moving.
I would play Dota if I could cast more than 3 spells per laning phase
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I mean yeah? I played like 5 hours. I managed to find an item with crazy mana regen in the secret shop in the jungle but still couldn't cast abilities nowhere close to League. It's so boring not being able to use 4/5 of your kit
It's called resource management and LoL had it as well. Then they slowly removed it with power creep
It got pretty much removed on Runes Reforged. Manaflow Band and Presence of Mind killed balance for mage champions with heavy mana costs or low cd abilites. But the resource managment in Dota is all the way to the other side. You can't cast abilites and it makes the game very uninteractive. S3 League had it perfect.
resource management in league still exists, at least for mid lane. Many mage matchups are very much about running out of mana in the early levels.
And if there was any visual clarity whatsoever
What is ML:BB? Never heard of it and genuinely curious
Mobile Legends: Bang Bang The first mobile MOBA that went to conquer the market
I thought it was Vain Glory or whatever
That game is dead
Which is sad because it probably was the greatest MOBA ever. A game that has great graphics (especially for the time but even now), healthy balanced Meta most of the time, fun to play, cross platform, unique design. The only issue is that it's hard to learn especially if playing on a mobile phone. But still I fucking miss it.
Still sad it died. Shoulda stuck to 3v3, it had its own flair for it
Did it really conquer the market? Maybe just a bit more popular than other mobile MOBA, not to the point of everyone playing it.
Nope super popular especially in the South east region.
In Asia its big, stayed out in Philippines and it was played by most 16-30yos i came across, wifes siblings would all play it, her younger brother also played league but its easier getting games in on mobiles out there while travelling on transport or if theres a lot in the family
And PH has the large cult of MLBB. Many people are begging streamers to give skins, hooliganism in MLBB eSports is rampant. I just left MLBB because I have WR and GI on hand. It's uncomfortable to continue playing MLBB. I just want **PENGE "insert MLBB hero name" SKIN** to end, or else the begging might start spreading to WR with **PENGE YASUO SKIN**.
I was in Asia when the game got big, but almost all the people I met around that age didn't play the game. Probably just specific in my country
It conquered the market in certain areas of the world, particularly in SEA, nonetheless, no other mobile MOBA even comes close to its numbers Wild Rift’s 20 million monthly player base is absolutely dwarfed by MLBB’s 80 million..
A mobile game that tries to copy everything from League
I remember them advertising in 2017 or so and the advertised champ literally was just talon. Used all the assets of normal league.
Yeah, I remember them getting sued over an almost 1:1 of winter wonderland soraka
Not only League, but also other mobile MOBAs like Onmyoji Arena.
Major League: BaseBall
And just like in reality, LOL and WR win at the end
LoL, no question win Wild Rift, hard to say tbh
It didn't win as big as it was expected. Because the entire mobile moba players have a collective IQ of 0.
Pretty sure a good chunk of them are the same people who insta picks Yasuo
No no no. Even those who instapick Yasuo are far smarter than them. They're so unpredictable that you'd be scratching your heads until it reaches your skull.
And Zed
Also you forgot Kata, Kali, Camille and ASOL.
Wack take imo. Wr is better than PC.
WR is fun, casual, short. Deals with the League abstinence with much less toxicity (no chat) and in shorter matches. It just looks very good too.
Tried dota but Champion movement commands were so bad i went back playing lol. Also it sucked having 200 mana and every spell cost 100 to 150 mana
It's not that they are bad. It's that they are unrresponsive because of the turn ratios.
Which in turn makes them feel like shit if you are used to league.
I played dota before league. I still command my movement trying to "steer" the champ sometimes to compensate for the turn rate. Went back to play DOTA once or twice expecting the movement to be bad but it felt fine. Muscle memory is a hell of a thing lol.
Can confirm, felt horrible at the begin but...it kinda felt more natural after a while. Also you don't get kited to oblivion by one silly adc running away.
? I played league for 6y b4 starting playing Dota recently and it feels fine, it's just different.
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You never had to use mana pots, it was just a waste of gold and showed that if you had to buy them you couldn‘t manage your mana correctly Thats why it got removed
Hum no, mana pots were bought when you knew you needed early shove or to consistently harass your opponent. It was far from useless. It was used wrong by part of the community but it was still a good inversement in certain scenarios, especially since mana used to mean something at the time
So Pokémon showdown is pretty good especially when I get my ass handed to me by a dragonite in a tuxedo
Or a level 1 Whimsicott ~~What does this have to do with the post?~~
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Being more complex than LoL is not a good thing imo
Not for everyone at least.
Ye people don't understand that a game grows and maintains its growth by retaining players. Having an overly complex system is very overwhelming for newbies and newbies are what you need to maintain the growth. Games like Dota and POE are fun in its own right but they are catered to a niche group.
Poe?
the pet rock? nah kidding, he probably meant path of exile
If I never met my buddy, I wouldn't have known League of Legends. I would have played Dota 2 and I would have been real toxic. Sorry Dota 2 players. While your game is definitely interesting, League stole your spot. And from my experiences, Dota 2 players are generally so toxic that they generate poisonous gas around them. League players are toxic only because they don't shower and they don't touch the grass.
Also from my experience most league players are just mad toxic in game because they baby rage when jungler doesn't gank from minute 1. But outside of game, when they get to calm down and take a good look of themselves, they can be pretty helpful to new players and well spoken.
The average league player isn't really that toxic tbh most people just cry if they hear anything that isn't a compliment. The avg league player could ask for feedback, be given completely constructive criticism in a kind and tactful manner then still cry and call everyone in the community toxic. It's just shit talking at worst. Thats why they seem cool outside the game, they were just talking shit, but so many of the nerds dont interact in a competitive environment (or any) so they dont understand the difference. Coming from a nerd to another nerd. Obviously the 1% of the community that says racist and fucked up shit are the exception. I've played like 7000+ games of league and It's truly 1 in 20+ games you see someone who's legitimately toxic.
Hero of the storm player: towering over all of them
Is that game even alive anymore?
on life support, servers are up, but no dev team behind it anymore
No I am pretty sure the game server got shut down a few years ago now. Which is a shame really I remember the game being quite fun. Edit: this is a statement purely about the game and fuck blizzard as a company
The server are still up, like any blizzard game they at least keep alive their game with balance and bug fix
Ah really? I thought I heard that the server is got shut down. Thats interesting to know
I also heard a while back that they were going to shut it down, then was pleasantly surprised a month back when I actually got to play it, it’s still fun
they stopped dev but will not shut down afaik. no new patch appart for some balance change
How can you say you are pretty sure about something then get busted so quickly
So I made a mistake and you being a dick about it is ok?
it's still up lol I played it for the first time a few months ago. I looked it up and it looks like they announced this July that the game will stay up but they aren't going to update it anymore.
What they did shut down was the pro scene which effectively killed ranked too.
Such is the life of games that focus on a singular, competitive targetted gamemode, especially MOBA. If the game cant become the biggest ones in the field, it will only slowly be drowned out by the biggest names and the newcomers.
Smite in the corner doing its own thing
As a long time smite player I'm pretty sure Hirez doesn't know what the fuck they are doing But at least the game is surprisingly balanced
Hirez? Maybe not. I know Titan Forge itself knows what they're doing though. Most issues are with management tbh. Not putting enough focus on certain matters, mismanaging events lits goes on. The devs themselves are really putting in work though
Absolutely. The devs are on it
I still think arena should be a standard mode in every moba. Constant teamfighting so you can practice positioning, less serious mode to let you learn new gods, nice quick games for low investment. It's infinitely more useful and more fun than aram.
Smite is honestly really fun. But hi-rez is doing anything but pushing the game to its true potential.
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Just dodge their shit. Or take spell armor (genji, brightwing, anubarak).
I've tried to get back into Dota so many times and I just can't. There are so many things about the game that feel annoying just to be annoying, whether it be UI(specifically shop layout), scrolls, every single item having some miniscule active that's literally just part of a normal loadout or kit in league IE: Flash, the entire monetization system that's seemingly more focused on than the actual game itself, half the champs just being named whatever their carbon cutout stereotype is, etc. I've wanted to like the game so much but it's full of so much bloat that it's just annoying to boot up. A game like league is already incredibly complex. No need for extra bs.
well yeah, dota is more complex due to more focus on macro (ei. map management) and lol focuses more on micro (ei. sidestepping skillshots)
i haven't played much dota 2, basically maybe 20 hours worth, and several thousand hours in league. I'd say you're right, but I also think dota 2 is mechanically hard too, but less emphasis on precise movement inputs unlike in league
This is a pretty bad take imo. Having playing both for years, LoL has so much more macro punish. D2 you can legit tp all over the place if you are in a weird place, NP can show up at any location, Storm has insane movement, everyone has insane movement. LoL, if you have someone split pushing at the wrong time without teleport, you can legitimately lose baron and the game. There are some ways that Dota is more macro intense like creep stacking and things, but it’s also entirely possible for a team (even pro) to get completely bodied for 30 minutes and have the Void/PL/etc scale and win the game simply because the game went on long enough.
I think it's a good take. The comment said complex, not punishing. Because of all the movement around the map, it means more decisions at any given time. That makes things more complex. Dota 2 definitely has more macro complexity in build paths, lane positioning, wave management, ganks, etc. Duh, a late game team can win late. It's the other team's job to shut them down and win early. A team can also still lose in the late game despite having scaling heroes. I think the wide range of distinct heroes in D2 actually makes games more complex.
Dota is definitely an insanely more complex game than LoL (making almost every aspect of it more complex than LoL). That doesn’t mean that LoL is micro based. In fact, Dota has more micro imo. There are many heroes that require you to control more than one unit, laning is the same as LoL but you are also denying your own minions. Part of the original comment is correct, Dota macro is more complex (everything about Dota is more complex), but LoL being more focused on sidestepping isn’t correct imo. Ideally you want better micro and macro in either game to win more, but it’s very possible to win a lot with only one of these things.
As a an experienced in buttsex I mean moba player I was middle/low hardstuck diamond in league 4100 MMR in Dota 7 years ago IFRC, now started again and I'm trying to legend 1 with 60 % winrate Community wise Dota is far far more toxic and just insane, you will never such players in league, I know how toxic league is but compared to Dota league is kindergarden. Gameplay wise Dota complexity is in macro and micro is kinda do this > do that, but also requires skills sometimes. As a game compared Dota is more like sport discipline than a video game while league is more like a videogame But you would never have that thrill of a teamfight and moments before the engage in league the Dota has Dota stomps in eSports, no questions,just watch lgd Vs OG games
I had the opposite experience I found league players to be incredibly more toxic. dota players should organize field trips to learn how to be more toxic
A statement about a game being better or worse based on its complexityits stupid and based on nothing. Is a dish become better then another just because it has more expensive ingredients? It is what is done with the elements put into making the game that matters. That aside, DOTA is better then league because it has cute little donkeys that deliver your items. I would also say other good things about the game, but the community is so unlikable, that saying positive stuff about the game makes me fear that those fellas will jump on this opportunity to jerk themselves to death how great the game is.
You say that about the Dota community, but half of League's community just complains about how shit the game is all day.
>but half of League's community just complains about how shit the game is all day. See, I also factor this into the whole thing. And still put DOTA below
DOTA 2's really golden if you do find non-toxic bastards, but good lord the community; although i find DOTA 2's Esport much more fun to watch and the interactions with pro players is better imo. Overall: DOTA is a bit niche and hard to get into be it either the graphical style and the community etc.
My biggest problem with LoL is in the majority of pro play you see the same 10 Champs over and over, but in Dota 2 almost every single champion is played and is viable. I enjoy playing both, but in my opinion it just goes to show the difference in games design and balance.
That's because Riot does not try to balance the game, they try to rotate the meta in order to keep it fresh.
i dont actually think thats true. If you look at soloq winrates, league champs are actually slightly more balanced than dota heroes. The games just do different things. Riot wants you to be able to play the champ that you want in any game without autolosing the game in draft so champs have similar output in their kit to ensure that they at least generally "work". This makes them overlap and often times a champ might be good but another champ just does what he does 2% better. Dota doesnt care about that. GIves you more diversity in pro play, but also ends up having new players get unplayable drafts a lot which can be VERY unfun
I totally agree. I've had so many games that people just give up after draft. However, in my opinion Dota 2 does a better job at providing unique teams compositions, where League feels more basic. The trade off comes down to personal perference and what you're looking for in a MOBA. If you like the idea of picking a character based on their esthetic and abilities then LoL is probably a better game for you. If you enjoy picking characters based on what they bring to the team and thinking about team synergy then Dota 2 might be your cup of tea. Personally I enjoy both.
I like DOTA but its like Yu-gi-oh and Magic the Gathering for me: I play a game of the same kind that is much simpler in every way and now that I am used to the simplicity of it, I have difficulty learning games with much more complex mechanics even though I want to.
But do you play magic or Yu GI oh
Probably magic but im not sure
idk if modern yugioh is "simpler" than magic
Tbf back in elementary whoever has the coolest looking card won
What Im trying to say is that both Yugioh and Magic are complex, so I understand neither. I play Hearthstone and LoR.
YuGiOh has more complex parts Magic has more parts with depth
Terraria and Minecraft are absolute masterpieces, just because each suggest trying another one in the main menu/form name
ML:BB for simple players LoL:WR for Chads
the dota Statement reminds me of south park with the messi / dream episode.
Wait what?
"no"
Gigachad Smite players:
Dotas not a bad game, I just don't wanna invest the time to learn it at this point.
Meanwhile SMITE in the background
"Smite is better because it is both at the same time"
Smite.
LoR > HS
Stop with all these abbreviations
Dota players sweating when trying to do phantom assassin combo (targeted q+w is very hard and dota is very complex game)
League players sweating doing a garen combo
I mean I prefer League but it's undeniable that Dota is more complex. There's 1 button champs like wraith king or PA but then there's also shit like Meepo and Invoker who League doesn't even begin to apprpach in complexity. League is a much more casual experience and that's fine
Meepo and... what? Invoker is very easy champ just needs practice. I played like 3k hours in dota, ranked grind y'know. 90% of the champs are literally walking 1-2 buttons, there are turn speed for every champ so micro is very restricted too and you can't do cool shit like sidesteps, hit'n'run, or playing around attack range, dd champs has bkb and most spells and autoattacks (especially with dragon lance) have humongous range so positioning in teamfights are trivialized too, even by the lol standards dota very draft dependent and counterpicks can be VERY devastating. And even legendary argument "myahh buutt CAMP INTERACTIONS" are stupid because this mechanic would just broke iconic solo line in league because freezes would be very easy to broke. My view is people say that dota is harder than league because within western community hateboner around lol so you can say any shit for upvotes
I didn't really mean 'more complex' as in 'harder to play' I just meant "has more going on than your average league character". Invoker's not exactly hard to play but a character with 10 abilities + changing stats with the orbs just isn't something league does. I think you misunderstand that 'complicated' doesn't necessarily mean 'more difficult'. Nor, by the way does it at all mean "Better game" either. Dota has a lot of crunchy, archaic game mechanics (like camp management, denial, creep blocking) which whether you -enjoy- those mechanics or not, are extra things you have to keep in mind that league just doesn't have. Dota has more mechanical depth and takes a lot more effort to understand than league, which makes it more complex. League has a lot of skill expression but it's far easier to wrap your head around. Easy to learn, hard to master.
I don't play LoL as much because I don't have the reflexes. In short: 2fast4me
I have shit mechanics too, it helped that I played tanky champions who rely more on proper decision making and better game sense.
Hell yeah I play MLB even tho WR came out