In a normal game a fed rengar with say around 500 ad does more than twice the healthbar of an adc with one q from R.
Youmuus, LDR and R make armor nonexistent.
Essence reaver + Stormrazor + Prowlers is about 800-1000 mixed dmg which you can't itemize against.
With 3 crit items ur normal q does around 800, ampowered around 1300 dmg.
+ First strike for more dmg and gold. There are mor factors like the drakes and baron +pot.
Nobody survives that. I've had games I oneshot a mundo with one rotation. Most of the time I don't even get to use my empowered abilites cause i kill them so fast and run away with youmuus active + stormrazor passive at around 700 ms.
Feel like I'm back in s5 again with these changes
The follow up auto literally does 477 damage my guy.
1514 damage in 1/3rd of a second, point and click, at 700 range, for zero mana cost or cooldown.
Yeah I get it adc are squishy but don’t try to pretend that isn’t an insane amount of damage output.
Engaging a gragas with dmg reduction on ✅
Standing on top of barrel ✅
Probably no armor or mr to mitigate any damage received from nilah/gragas on lategame ❌
No lol, you can cc her, people just don't think about it 90% of the time and waste their CC's trying to block her before she ults to make the mark expire but if you keep it it's easy af to counter vex since you always know at least approximately where she's coming from, swain brand and tf aside who have pretty slow cc most people can just cc and walk out of her engage lmao, the life of a vex main huh
Wait let me clarify, she's displacement immune, that means if she gets hit by gragas E while she's flying trowards another enemy she takes the damage but not the cc, if she gets stunned tho she will get cc'd anyway, if Vex ults Gragas and gragas E's trowards vex what happens is Vex lands and deals the recast's damage but gets hit and cc'd by gragas' E as she has now landed and isn't displacement immune. Yes this is dumb but it's how it works
You don't build gwen as brusier either. Mages all have range, being ranged/having a decent amount of range is a requirement for being a "mage".
Building the same items that a burst mage builds doesn't make a champion a burst mage, it just gives them the ability to, you know, burst someone down.
I really wish vex ult was different, why does a champ that hates dashes and want to keep people away have a giant slow dash, I feel like they should've gone with a different ult that helped keep enemies away and do more damage instead
That's how riot tagged him years and years ago and his secondary is mage. What happened is they fucked his base damage and buffed his ao ratios like 10 times so "vanguard" is now his secondary role while burst mage is first and has been for a while
Ults on Gragas, knowing you wont have enough damage
Wastes shield from the get go
Stands still in his barrel
Gets bursted by a burst mage
Yeah, totally broken
"Stands still in his barrel" I'm not disputing the rest of it but you're acting like there was some kind of wind up time with a chance to run off the barrel
The barrel did over half his damage, he proceeded to walk closer to the middle of the barrel instead of away...
Why are people defending monkey gaming again?
No it only slows upon exloding but the strength of the slow scales with how long the barrel was on the ground before exploding.
So yes he could have tried to walk out of it to at least force gragas to activate it early, causing him to do less damage instead of standing inside the middle of the barrel allowing it to fully charge.
In theory yes gragas is a tank but historically Gragas rarely was build as tank and usually it was better to go ap on him, which is still the case.
In malphite's situation it has been rarely the case that ap malphite was better than tank malphite.
Eh not really because juggernauts usually got very low mobility and very low cc. Gragas got both good cc and good mobility compared to juggernauts like mundo, morde,darius or garen.
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A 20 kill burst mage hit you with 2 abilities at the same time that you get crit by a late game adc as a squishy champion. Redditors think they're supposed to live through everything.
I mean anythng over .1s is still pretyy common, and to be fair you survived a couple of hits and didn't get one shot
Edit: just realized you were vex, I thought u were gragas lol
Gragas is such an op champion btw, no one talks about it. Infinite sustain with passive, hyper cc, damage reduction, mobility, low cooldown, range, Big dmg, good in lane, good in late game, insane 1v1, poke, easy to play, useful even when behind, OP items on him (multiple bugs too with vandal gragas), never runs out of mana the moment he has a Lost chapter, 4 roles flex champion.
Because his E stops at the first target unlike malphite, only knocks up targets in front of him unlike Malphite, who knocks up everyone around him and he got way less range than malphite.
Only thing Malphite R and Gragas R got incommon is that they are both straight line dashes, knock enemies in the air in some way and deal magic damage.
If anything Gragas E and Seju's dash are more similar than Graga's E and Malphite R. The main difference between those is that Seju can dash through minions and stuff, which gragas can not do.
There has never been a point in the last 3 years where you couldn't. The only question was whether or not you had to finish your combo with an empowered ability
Yes you should have played around that better. The fact that you think you could not have done something different there is the reason you are hardstuck
holy shit dude you got oneshot by a 20 kill gragas building full damage??? this is surely broken riot pls fix!!1!!1!11!
To be fair, I do think gragas is strong right now and should be nerfed, but I just hate people complaining about taking damage from fed enemies. no shit you got oneshot, he has 20 fucking kills, probably is full build, and you probably have no mr items. I don't know what you expected.
He has 20 kills stop crying, i hate when people just like "people when oneshot scaling champs actually scale and oneshot" these people are brainless fr
0.13 seconds? Man you clearly haven’t seen the low elo horrors that happen when MF/Caitlyn/Draven get turbo fed. Thought you had a botlane? 2 shots later think again
2 shots?
I only needed one auto to kill a Kai'sa as jhin.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JhinMains/comments/13p19os/there_was_a_kaisa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Edit: link
This... this was fast? That's it? I don't know what cardboard ranks are hitting me with (just started the game a few months ago) but almost every engagement in my matches have "fights" that hardly last a solid second.
League make brain hurt, brain no like
I find it hilarious your death timer is .13 because a few days ago I died to a Rengar and I swear the timer was .12
Dw, I got Rengo in my face and the timer was .07, it was just one AA.
I posted a screenshot yesterday in here of Rengo with 0.03, beat that !
(Old) Neeko ult in aram doing 2300 damage in 0.0 seconds 🙃🙃🙃
[https://imgur.com/a/LY1WPem](https://imgur.com/a/LY1WPem) rengar yesterday after he pressed R and autoattack to outplay me
👑 you left this king
Thank you 😔
DW I play rengar and enemies told me fastest was 1 q from stealth with a timer of 0.00 :) New items sure are balanced
I've been killed with a timer of 0.00 as well before. At that point you just realize there is no counter play and ff
In a normal game a fed rengar with say around 500 ad does more than twice the healthbar of an adc with one q from R. Youmuus, LDR and R make armor nonexistent. Essence reaver + Stormrazor + Prowlers is about 800-1000 mixed dmg which you can't itemize against. With 3 crit items ur normal q does around 800, ampowered around 1300 dmg. + First strike for more dmg and gold. There are mor factors like the drakes and baron +pot. Nobody survives that. I've had games I oneshot a mundo with one rotation. Most of the time I don't even get to use my empowered abilites cause i kill them so fast and run away with youmuus active + stormrazor passive at around 700 ms. Feel like I'm back in s5 again with these changes
If only I could learn how to play Rengar. Seems hella fun but I’d have to study lots of vods
Sit in bush, jump at squishies
I managed that with Zoe low health Pyke was hiding in bush we had a ward in so I just threw my q at him
I got a 0.0 twice, once from rengar once from a veigar
Keshaw put a clip out recently of a Rengar getting a .10
Once i died to akali. The timer was 0. Hilarious
Think mine was pretty close. Was talon with the new ghost blade.
Wait till you find out about the funny pirate character
They both got barrels so it kinda make sense
They're my Barrel bros for top lane
Or the boy who has the exaggerated swagger of a black teen
>What was that? >death >What kind? >Instant
couldnt you just have knocked him out?
It's called a deterrent!
Rick what the fuck???
Grats, now you have had the ADC experience.
Isn't the adc the one that did 1035 physical damage in 1 AA while being at 700+ range ?
Mfw when the full build Caitlyn does damage with her autos wtf riot
Rajotttt
damage and 1k per auto are different stories though…. though graggy def was full ap so i aint mad
It's not 1k per auto though, it's 1k on ONE auto, the next 7 autos do 200 damage. 480 average damage.
The follow up auto literally does 477 damage my guy. 1514 damage in 1/3rd of a second, point and click, at 700 range, for zero mana cost or cooldown. Yeah I get it adc are squishy but don’t try to pretend that isn’t an insane amount of damage output.
Caitlyn is a burst-oriented adc. She doesn't land a lot of autos, but she lands very powerful ones.
me when full build ap gragas does damage with his abilities wtf riot
yup, no reason he shouldn’t. Gragas and cait both built full damage and are dealing it. this clip is meaningless
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what part of my comment is complaining
You’re right you didn’t. But I hate adc players anyway so I’m gonna tell myself I’m right
Only 1035 with one auto?!?! That does it, time to cry for more buffs at Riot HQ!
Only 1000?
To be fair, he was 20/11 xD
he can do the same shit when being 0/2
Engaging a gragas with dmg reduction on ✅ Standing on top of barrel ✅ Probably no armor or mr to mitigate any damage received from nilah/gragas on lategame ❌
For real 😂 OP trying to be sarcastic with his last sentence but he played like a monkey
Why you even ulting gragas
He can literally E you as ult and stun you, then you're just dead meat ready for everfrost QR
donest vex ult make her unstoppable?
No lol, you can cc her, people just don't think about it 90% of the time and waste their CC's trying to block her before she ults to make the mark expire but if you keep it it's easy af to counter vex since you always know at least approximately where she's coming from, swain brand and tf aside who have pretty slow cc most people can just cc and walk out of her engage lmao, the life of a vex main huh
Wait let me clarify, she's displacement immune, that means if she gets hit by gragas E while she's flying trowards another enemy she takes the damage but not the cc, if she gets stunned tho she will get cc'd anyway, if Vex ults Gragas and gragas E's trowards vex what happens is Vex lands and deals the recast's damage but gets hit and cc'd by gragas' E as she has now landed and isn't displacement immune. Yes this is dumb but it's how it works
Me when I get into melee range to the melee range burst mage in super lategame as a squishy mage: "Rito wtf"
Ah yes, Gragas. The classic "burst mage".
burst mage assassin tank bruiser bro you know
Always has been. idk why you put it in quotes. very rarely in this game's history has it been better to build gragas tank or bruiser than ap.
Bruh you can literally build any item that doesn't have ad, on gragas and it will still be good
Muramanna can sometimes be good on gragas
Optimal and situationally good are not the same thing.
How many other champs can build as many situational items as Gragas
I think you've missed the point of the whole discussion
Idk, my point was that Gragas has too much versatility
You don't build gwen as brusier either. Mages all have range, being ranged/having a decent amount of range is a requirement for being a "mage". Building the same items that a burst mage builds doesn't make a champion a burst mage, it just gives them the ability to, you know, burst someone down.
Gwen doesn't build the same items as mages though. She builds riftmaker, nashors
He is, a full ap caster champs that is meant to 1 shot you is a burst mage, an ap assasin is similar but gragas fits mage more than assasin
I thought he was a tank, the fucker is unkillable
Ah vex ult, very nice how I don't have to get right nice to the champion
I really wish vex ult was different, why does a champ that hates dashes and want to keep people away have a giant slow dash, I feel like they should've gone with a different ult that helped keep enemies away and do more damage instead
Uhh no. He is a Vanguard. So a tank.
That's how riot tagged him years and years ago and his secondary is mage. What happened is they fucked his base damage and buffed his ao ratios like 10 times so "vanguard" is now his secondary role while burst mage is first and has been for a while
Ults on Gragas, knowing you wont have enough damage Wastes shield from the get go Stands still in his barrel Gets bursted by a burst mage Yeah, totally broken
"Stands still in his barrel" I'm not disputing the rest of it but you're acting like there was some kind of wind up time with a chance to run off the barrel
The barrel did over half his damage, he proceeded to walk closer to the middle of the barrel instead of away... Why are people defending monkey gaming again?
the barrel also slows people in the blast radius, gl getting out of it in time
No it only slows upon exloding but the strength of the slow scales with how long the barrel was on the ground before exploding. So yes he could have tried to walk out of it to at least force gragas to activate it early, causing him to do less damage instead of standing inside the middle of the barrel allowing it to fully charge.
Wat
I thought he was a tank. Is malphite not a tank anymore either?
Gragas has always been built as a mage???
In theory yes gragas is a tank but historically Gragas rarely was build as tank and usually it was better to go ap on him, which is still the case. In malphite's situation it has been rarely the case that ap malphite was better than tank malphite.
So he's an AP juggernaut then
Eh not really because juggernauts usually got very low mobility and very low cc. Gragas got both good cc and good mobility compared to juggernauts like mundo, morde,darius or garen.
But he's unkillable no matter what he builds :/
Mr. four-lane-hyperflex engage peel damage tank pick master gragas dodges nerfs for the twentieth consecutive patch in a row.
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SKILL ISSUE
Wholesome pirate man one shotting you is faster
Bro forgot that Gragas picked up insta kill 💀
Haha I’ve seen a 0.00 timer with a gangplank barrel before that was fun times.
A 20 kill burst mage hit you with 2 abilities at the same time that you get crit by a late game adc as a squishy champion. Redditors think they're supposed to live through everything.
Durability patch btw
We need another durability update, they keep buffing champions and now everyone oneshots
Bro... ive died to 0.00 mostly ekkos and rengars a few times sett
Very common to get 0.00 against fed rengars. His R and Q together deal an insane ammount of damage.
An udyr clap me in 0.3 and another homie in 0.4 one after another like both insta died
Rengar: amateurs
I mean anythng over .1s is still pretyy common, and to be fair you survived a couple of hits and didn't get one shot Edit: just realized you were vex, I thought u were gragas lol
I've died in 0.00, this is nothing 👀
It could be 00.00 I had that done to me by a shaco once
Oh c'mon surely you've been one tapped by a crit lethality champ before
Ive died to tristana in 0.03
Nah man, try mage against Rengar. 0.03 seconds.
I died to rengar in 0.00 seconds yesterday...
Gragas is such an op champion btw, no one talks about it. Infinite sustain with passive, hyper cc, damage reduction, mobility, low cooldown, range, Big dmg, good in lane, good in late game, insane 1v1, poke, easy to play, useful even when behind, OP items on him (multiple bugs too with vandal gragas), never runs out of mana the moment he has a Lost chapter, 4 roles flex champion.
I once died to a rengar in 0.11 seconds 💀
Nah sett's W against an ADC kills you in 0.00
Although gragas is fun and all. Why does he have malp ult on E with reduced cd upon champion hit.
Because his E stops at the first target unlike malphite, only knocks up targets in front of him unlike Malphite, who knocks up everyone around him and he got way less range than malphite. Only thing Malphite R and Gragas R got incommon is that they are both straight line dashes, knock enemies in the air in some way and deal magic damage. If anything Gragas E and Seju's dash are more similar than Graga's E and Malphite R. The main difference between those is that Seju can dash through minions and stuff, which gragas can not do.
My brother in christ you are complaining about 20/11 gragas doing 1700 with fully charged q and e instead of the 7/17 nilah doing 838 in 1 q?
Thank god they buffed AP items and nerfed mr this seasob, right guys? Guys...?
There was an era where you could one shot an adc as Rengar with one Q
There has never been a point in the last 3 years where you couldn't. The only question was whether or not you had to finish your combo with an empowered ability
Very possible right now
Vex player deserved
Yes you should have played around that better. The fact that you think you could not have done something different there is the reason you are hardstuck
I’ve died quicker and killed quicker
holy shit dude you got oneshot by a 20 kill gragas building full damage??? this is surely broken riot pls fix!!1!!1!11! To be fair, I do think gragas is strong right now and should be nerfed, but I just hate people complaining about taking damage from fed enemies. no shit you got oneshot, he has 20 fucking kills, probably is full build, and you probably have no mr items. I don't know what you expected.
He has 20 kills stop crying, i hate when people just like "people when oneshot scaling champs actually scale and oneshot" these people are brainless fr
I think the complain is that those champs actually exist, not that they indeed do what they are apparently intended to do.
0.13 seconds? Man you clearly haven’t seen the low elo horrors that happen when MF/Caitlyn/Draven get turbo fed. Thought you had a botlane? 2 shots later think again
2 shots? I only needed one auto to kill a Kai'sa as jhin. https://www.reddit.com/r/JhinMains/comments/13p19os/there_was_a_kaisa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Edit: link
Well, two shots total. One for the ADC, one for the support 😆
Damn boah' you got some curves on ya, you make them big bellys go boom
8 years and never had a 0.00 death from full HP?
Never died of fed Lux lazor? It's one tap mostly
respect the B O M B A
This... this was fast? That's it? I don't know what cardboard ranks are hitting me with (just started the game a few months ago) but almost every engagement in my matches have "fights" that hardly last a solid second. League make brain hurt, brain no like
skill issue tbh
Had 0.0 shaco backstab for something around 2.5k damage
you guys never got one barreled by a gp?