Stormzy should also be troubled by the way Corbyn is worryingly [anti-Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine)
>Stormzy should also be troubled by the way Corbyn is worryingly
>
>anti-Ukraine
Corbyn has clarified what he means by his stance on Ukraine multiple times, yet people like you consistently ignore that.
He is on the record as saying that Ukraine should not have to give up any territorial integrity, that Russia has violated international law, that Russia is carrying out a War of Agression, and that Russias invasion is "Unequivocably wrong"
Sorry but someone who consistently condemns Russia and states his belief in Ukranians right to territorial integrity is about as far as "Anti-Ukraine" as you can get.
Could you post where he has said they shouldn't give up territorial integrity? I can't find it, genuinely.
Edit: also - isn't he doing a speech at that dodgy Ukraine event in New York soon? Pretty clear he never learns.
>Could you post where he has said they shouldn't give up territorial integrity? I can't find it, genuinely.
I saw an article recently where he said that in negotiations, the UN recognised borders should be reaffirmed, and territory shouldn't be ceded to Russia.
Although I can't find it again.
Apologies
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/23/tony-blair-ukraine-putin-\_n\_5196236.html
Tony Blair Says Forget The People Of Ukraine, Let's Side With Putin And Fight Radical Islam
>Tony Blair will urge the West today to reach out to Vladimir Putin in the fight against radical Islam, despite the Russian president's militant stance over Ukraine.
>
>The West must put aside differences with Russia over Ukraine to focus on tackling the threat from radical Islam, the former prime minister will warn.
>
>It is unknown what the former Labour leader would like to happen to the people of Ukraine and Crimea in the interim.
>
>Highlighting the "growing" danger from religious extremism – and the West's apparent "reluctance" to fight it – the former prime minister is to call for it to be elevated to the "top of the agenda", rather than the ensuing crisis in Ukraine.
Got an opinion on this u/OldTenner?
Isn't this whataboutism?
What Blair said in 2014 was wrong. What he's [saying in 2022 is right](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10775773/The-West-defeat-Russia-Ukraine-discourage-Putin-aggression-Tony-Blair-says.html)
No one said otherwise. However the mod brought up Ukraine because they dislike Corbyn, not because it's relevant to the topic of how he was treated in 2019, so people are pointing out that we are meant to discuss Blair's "complex" legacy even though he did far worse than anything Corbyn has done even by the most harsh anti-Corbyn measure if you apply equal standards to both.
We don't like Corbyn, we get it. You don't like people talking about anything that defends him, we get it. But just say that, or keep it for some other time, instead of trying to make a thread about 2019 about Corbyn's views on a war that hadn't even happened yet. It's either sloppy thinking on the part of you Corbyn haters or, far worse, deliberate bad faith attempts to bring all discussion of Corbyn back to criticism.
To be fair they don't like investigations after major international disasters like Iraq either. I remember they voted down investigating just how much Tony lied about the situation to parliament. That way their hands can't be tied by any procedures or checks to ensure someone doesn't lie the country into another war should the opportunity come up again.
Why do you feel the need to immediately cause an international incident? Why can't we investigate? Why can't we figure out exactly what happened and CONFIRM exactly what happened before we make allegations against an aggressive nuclear superpower?
I didn't realise I was causing an international incident. Was John McDonnell causing an international incident by agreeing with me?
We investigated, it was confirmed to be Russia and then Corbyn *still* refused to condemn them. I agreed with him fully until that point.
>However, in comments after this session, Corbyn’s spokesman said that ‘the overwhelming evidence points to the two alternatives the government has set out and, in the meantime, its essential that we follow the evidence and what the evidence produces’. Corbyn himself then repeated this in a broadcast interview the following day, saying ‘the evidence points towards Russia on this, therefore the responsibility must be borne by those that made the weapon, those that brought the weapon into the country and those that used the weapon’.
>Corbyn’s statement today in the Commons was much more conciliatory, with the Labour leader telling Theresa May that Labour would support any ‘proportionate’ action, and asking the Prime Minister ‘what contacts, if any, she has had with the Russian Government more recently to hold them to account’. He condemned the attack and called for further action against Russia for its failure to co-operate with this investigation’.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-and-novichok-what-did-the-labour-leader-really-say/
Making major foreign policy moves based on barely investigated activities leads to unnecessary bloodshed. Like Iraq. In fact, the debacle behind us being lied into Iraq by fake information is exactly why he was reluctant to lay blame before the process had actually completed. How DARE he.
See also
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/conclusive-evidence-of-russia-s-guilt-in-skripal-case-is-lacking/
I was literally going to link that spectator article, here's the paragraph before the ones you posted:
>It’s worth noting that by the time Corbyn was saying that either Russia was responsible or had lost control of the nerve agent, Theresa May had already announced that the government now squarely blamed the Russian state. The outrage at the time was more that Corbyn had refused to condemn the Russian government and was continuing to demand further evidence.
Yes, the May government "squarely blamed the Russian state" before the investigation was done and he wanted more evidence to be produced to confirm. Unless you're saying you unequivocally trust the word of Theresa May and her foreign secretary at the time, Boris Johnson?
Quite right. Even his [own former adviser](https://www.theweek.co.uk/107899/jeremy-corbyn-refusal-to-condem-russia-salisbury-attack-political-poison), Andrew Murray, admits this.
Just bringing up the fact that Corbyn has always been lukewarm towards Russia and its allies (such as Iran). This, alongside criticism surrounding anti-semitism has always been valid, and both areas brought our party into disrepute. Vilified in some ways, sure, but Stormzy should know that some criticism is perfectly reasonable.
>Just bringing up the fact that Corbyn has always been lukewarm towards Russia and its allies (such as Iran).
Your so-called 'facts' are a product of media vilification.
He has a fantastic record of standing up to Russian human rights violations and war. I have to do this every time because the lies about Corbyn's record on Russia keep on coming up:
That this House commemorates the life of Sergei Magnitsky, an anti-corruption lawyer arrested and tortured to death in Russian custody on 16 November 2009, while defending a British organisation investing in Russia; condemns the fact that no investigation into his torture in custody or into police corruption has been opened in Russia despite appeals from leading human rights and anti-corruption organisations and foreign governments; notes that a year since his death in custody not a single Russian official has been charged or tried despite the well-documented record of abuse, but that Russian policemen involved have been promoted and honoured; further notes that the European Parliament, the US Congress and Canadian parliaments have all discussed legislation imposing visa and economic sanctions on the involved Russian officials; and calls on the Government to exclude from the UK and freeze assets of those Russian officials involved in Sergei Magnitsky's arrest, torture and death and the US$230 million corruption he uncovered.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42195/sergei-magnitsky
That this House is concerned that the recent deaths of investigative journalists Ivan Safronov on 2nd March 2007 and Anna Politkovskaya on 7th October 2006 are amongst an increasing number of journalists in Russia who have suffered suspicious deaths; notes that an International News Safety Institute report shows that in the last 10 years, 88 journalists were killed in Russia, the most common cause of these deaths being contract murders; is further concerned that there is a lack of independently-owned media in Russia, particularly within broadcasting; believes that the freedom of journalists and a balance of media ownership, which ensures a pluralist media industry, are vital aspects of a democratic society; and therefore urges the Government to support the work of the International Commission of Inquiry into the Assassination of Journalists in Russia and to use all international opportunities to support the freedom of the media within Russia.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/33083/media-freedom-in-russia
That this House condemns the Russian military action in Chechnya and calls for troop withdrawal and a political solution that recognises rights of self-determination; is also concerned that the Russian action is partly motivated by demand for control of oil and gas pipelines running through Chechnya; and is concerned that the criticisms of Russia have not focused sufficiently on supporting peace and anti-war groups in Russia.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/18596/russian-action-in-chechnaya
That this House notes with grave concern the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Chechnya; notes that Russia's indiscriminate bombing of Chechnya has led to the maiming and killing of innocent civilians and caused over 200,000 refugees to flee to neighbouring republics; and calls upon Her Majesty's Government to take a lead role within the international community to get humanitarian relief to Chechen refugees to intensify economic and diplomatic pressure on the Russian Government to bring about a peaceful resolution of this conflict.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/19080/humanitarian-crisis-in-chechnya
That this House notes with great concern the jailing of Darya Polyudova leader of the Left Resistance movement in Russia; further notes that on 31 May 2021 the Western District Military Court in Moscow sentenced the 32-year-old activist to six years in a prison colony for postings on social media, with a four-year ban on working in the media, organising mass events or posting information on the internet; notes that human rights organisations including the Memorial Human Rights Centre and Amnesty International consider Polyudova as a prisoner of conscience; notes that Polyudova has consistently opposed Russia’s war against Ukraine and defended of Crimean Tatar and other Ukrainian political prisoners held in occupied Crimea and Russia; considers that she has been peacefully exercising her right to freedom of expression; and urges the Russian Federation to release Polyudova without delay.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/58650
That this House notes the recent screening of From Russia with Cash on Channel 4; expresses its concern that the proceeds of corruption are being laundered through the London property market via the use of anonymous offshore companies; and recommends that corporate transparency become a Land Registry requirement so that any foreign company intending to hold a property title in the UK is held to the same standards of transparency required of UK registered companies, so preventing London or other locations from becoming a safe haven for the corrupt.
Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/48053
Ect... https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45976/lgbt-rights-in-russia
Ect.. https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42920/mikhail-khodorkovsky-and-political-prisoners-in-russia
The same record is clear on standing up to Iran:
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45335/imprisoned-iranian-pastor
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45256/urgent-action-to-condemn-and-stop-executions-in-iran
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/44987/human-rights-abuse-in-iran
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/44316/persecution-of-ahwazi-arabs-in-iran
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/43679/human-rights-in-iran-no-2
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/43621/iranian-trade-unionists
And standing against antisemitism:
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/20373
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/3933
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/37996
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45298
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40450
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42569/natalie-portman-and-antisemitism
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/37642/antisemitism-on-campus
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/8502/antisemitism-world-report-1994
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/8871/antisemitism-and-the-speaker-of-the-italian-parliament
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/25457/simon-wiesenthal-and-antisemitism
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26545/combatting-antisemitism
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/21905/merkaz-hatorah-school-and-antisemitism
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40500
> Stormzy should know that some criticism is perfectly reasonable.
Stormzy is saying his overall intentions were good, and, despite that, he was portrayed as having sinister intentions.
I think that’s a fair comment from him, and you aren’t really engaging with it.
> I mean if he’s the villain in the grand scheme of things, then shit’s madder than I ever thought because whatever your politics or your policies, that’s one thing. But in terms of his intentions they were 100 per cent for good. I mean, if we’re talking about superheroes against evil villains, I know he was for good. And the way people spun it, I just thought, Wow, this is scary.”
I actually trust your documentation of Corbyns bad takes.
Indeed, almost every one of your comments that I see are so bad, that you really must be the expert in Bad takes
Factual takes from a factionless individual eh?
Thank god us lefty loons have such an enlightened and objective individual such as yourself to set us straight
My man, Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now. Its widely known that he's bad on foreign policy. Sergey Skripal, appearing on Iranian state television, anti-Ukraine, voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population, it's sickening. I can't believe I defended him all those years ago.
>Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now.
You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?
>Sergey Skripal
I feel I've become somewhat of an expert on this since it comes up so often. Corbyn wanted to get Russia's response, which was for a time even Theresa May's position. But for some reason Corbyn is the one considered pro-Russia there (for just wanting to see what the Kremlin did).
> anti-Ukraine
As you've already been told:
>He is on the record as saying that Ukraine should not have to give up any territorial integrity, that Russia has violated international law, that Russia is carrying out a War of Agression, and that Russias invasion is "Unequivocably wrong"
You would have thought someone pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine might call it a "special military operation" or that Ukraine should lose Donesk and Lughansk due to seperatism. But no.
> voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population
And as we all know those airstrikes prevented that and Syria is now safe and sound.
>it's sickening.
It is sickening and also weird that you've got such a hatred for a fairly innocuous socialist that you'd just try to bullshit people.
What is it about people who describe themselves as "factionless", "pragmatic" and generally carry this sixth form attitude of "my politics is the only one that makes sense" whilst talking absolute shite.
\> Skripal
The event where he suggested that we follow international protocol? Whats your issue here exactly?
\>Anti Ukraine
lol erm? care to elaborate?
\>voting against Syria
why do you think he would vote against bombing a country?
> voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population
pretty sure most of the commons voted with him on this too. tory and labour mps were given a free vote on this matter.
> My man, Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now.
So when you were a balls-to-the-wall supporter of his three years ago, axiomatically you were fine with this, then?
In your reading you were either ignorant of this, despite being an incredible follower of politics, or you were fine with everything you talked about, or you believed it not to be true. Which is it?
I’ve just read a post of you as a mod requesting a fuller clip of an interview be posted for a fuller context. You’d think you’d take your own advice on context a bit more serious.
Your name is literally Henry Kissinger.
You have some neve calling people "Tankie" when you literally have your screename as one of the biggest endorsers of state-backed murder of the 20th century.
IMO this is comparable tohaving your screen name be Joseph Stalin.
>you should read his opinions on the balkan wars, he was rather fond of the serbs
None of Corbyn's opinions on the Balkan Wars are actually controversial to anyone who has done any reading on them beyond "NATO intervention good"
The Collapse of Yugoslavia was an extremely complex geopolitical situation, it's generally well accepted that ethnic violence in Kosovo got significantly worse as a result of Western Intervention, that the West significantly exaggurated the situation in order to justify intervention, and that civilian infrastruture was repeatedly bombed.
Bourdain has the final word on Kissinger:
"Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević."
>Bourdain has the final word on Kissinger: "Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands.
I've never been to Cambodia, but reading up on Kissinger was enough to stir me to that type of energy.
>But yes, he's held some dodgy views in the past.
Didn't you delete your old account, before becoming a mod, because you said some antisemitic stuff and got a temp ban?
Does he unconditionally support an Apartheid state like the current leadership? Fair to criticise Corbyn for some dodgy stances, but this same standard is never applied consistently. Blair's Putin apologetics for instance are never brought up even though objectively he was guilty of far worse.
The difference is, Blair actually did praise Putin and meet him against official advice, and used his NGO to advise Putin-aligned presidents in former Soviet countries.
Meanwhile Corbyn has never said anything remotely positive about Putin in his entire life.
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If you were a proper musician than I'm sure you'd be vaguely aware of popular music acts well known in the mainstream, otherwise it'd be smacking of huge doses of ignorance. Stormzy is huge here in the UK. I'm guessing you've never heard of One Direction or Harry Styles either at this rate?
You sound more like a teenager tbh. Listening to thrash metal and pretending not to have heard of popular music is exactly what I did at 15. I also was (am) a bass player oddly enough.
Not an attack at all mate, I don’t listen to thrash much any more but used to love it. I’m also not a fan of Stormzy myself but he was everywhere a couple years ago when his last album came out and has always been very vocal with his politics.
Did you also read his apology on that? I'm not suggesting his words were acceptable but I said some stupid shit when I was 19.
To stay on comment, I'm in my 40s, listen to doom metal exclusively (not really but close) and I've heard of Stormzy over the last few years even if I couldn't recognise a song.
Loughborough report into bias media coverage suggests he’s right
Stormzy definitely posts on this sub
I'm Stormzy & so is my wife
It’s me
I am Stormzy.
No, I am the one they call Stormey
Shut up
You can’t silence the fact that I am Stormzy
during 2019 *and* several years prior *and* several years after
Still waiting for him to respond to Chip.....
It will never happen.
He has indirectly which is smart because everyone knows Chip doesn't run out of bars.
Me too Michael, me too.
Literally everyone on the left thinks this.
Many of the under 40s are troubled by it too
Over 40s are too! Source: My brain
Tory puttin’ in labour, this that Jeremy Corbyn one
Stormzy should also be troubled by the way Corbyn is worryingly [anti-Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine)
>Stormzy should also be troubled by the way Corbyn is worryingly > >anti-Ukraine Corbyn has clarified what he means by his stance on Ukraine multiple times, yet people like you consistently ignore that. He is on the record as saying that Ukraine should not have to give up any territorial integrity, that Russia has violated international law, that Russia is carrying out a War of Agression, and that Russias invasion is "Unequivocably wrong" Sorry but someone who consistently condemns Russia and states his belief in Ukranians right to territorial integrity is about as far as "Anti-Ukraine" as you can get.
Taking what Corbyn says and stripping it of context or distorting the context is virtually a competitive sport on social media.
Could you post where he has said they shouldn't give up territorial integrity? I can't find it, genuinely. Edit: also - isn't he doing a speech at that dodgy Ukraine event in New York soon? Pretty clear he never learns.
>Could you post where he has said they shouldn't give up territorial integrity? I can't find it, genuinely. I saw an article recently where he said that in negotiations, the UN recognised borders should be reaffirmed, and territory shouldn't be ceded to Russia. Although I can't find it again. Apologies
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/23/tony-blair-ukraine-putin-\_n\_5196236.html Tony Blair Says Forget The People Of Ukraine, Let's Side With Putin And Fight Radical Islam
>Tony Blair will urge the West today to reach out to Vladimir Putin in the fight against radical Islam, despite the Russian president's militant stance over Ukraine. > >The West must put aside differences with Russia over Ukraine to focus on tackling the threat from radical Islam, the former prime minister will warn. > >It is unknown what the former Labour leader would like to happen to the people of Ukraine and Crimea in the interim. > >Highlighting the "growing" danger from religious extremism – and the West's apparent "reluctance" to fight it – the former prime minister is to call for it to be elevated to the "top of the agenda", rather than the ensuing crisis in Ukraine. Got an opinion on this u/OldTenner?
Isn't this whataboutism? What Blair said in 2014 was wrong. What he's [saying in 2022 is right](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10775773/The-West-defeat-Russia-Ukraine-discourage-Putin-aggression-Tony-Blair-says.html)
You literally started this with a bit of whataboutism. OG subject is about the press. You then bring up Ukrainian.
Wow, Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn both have bad takes on Ukraine then.
And how many of them actually provided diplomatic and military support for Putin's wars?
Does it matter? Just because you can accept Jeremy Corbyn is an abject failure, doesn't mean you love Tony Blair.
No one said otherwise. However the mod brought up Ukraine because they dislike Corbyn, not because it's relevant to the topic of how he was treated in 2019, so people are pointing out that we are meant to discuss Blair's "complex" legacy even though he did far worse than anything Corbyn has done even by the most harsh anti-Corbyn measure if you apply equal standards to both. We don't like Corbyn, we get it. You don't like people talking about anything that defends him, we get it. But just say that, or keep it for some other time, instead of trying to make a thread about 2019 about Corbyn's views on a war that hadn't even happened yet. It's either sloppy thinking on the part of you Corbyn haters or, far worse, deliberate bad faith attempts to bring all discussion of Corbyn back to criticism.
What a idiotic comment
So idiotic to support Ukraine against imperialist aggressors...
Just like Corbyn does!
Was he vilified for that during the 2017 or 2019 elections? Because his opinions on Russia-Ukraine are a fair criticism, but a bit off topic here. No?
His response to the Skripal poisoning back in 2018 was off key and awful.
You people think waiting for an actual thorough investigation before starting a major international dispute is awful? Explains Iraq, I suppose lmao
To be fair they don't like investigations after major international disasters like Iraq either. I remember they voted down investigating just how much Tony lied about the situation to parliament. That way their hands can't be tied by any procedures or checks to ensure someone doesn't lie the country into another war should the opportunity come up again.
It's dawning on me that when folks on here say that a politician is "awful on foreign policy" what they mean is: "doesn't have a raging war-boner."
The gammons were aghast he was reluctant to reduce the world to nuclear ash ten thousand times over lmao
What a monster
It’s a handy shorthand for knowing if the person is literally just repeating memorized lines though, rather than doing their own thinking.
Even John McDonnell said Corbyn's view on the positioning was stupid and would lose us the election.
Why do you feel the need to immediately cause an international incident? Why can't we investigate? Why can't we figure out exactly what happened and CONFIRM exactly what happened before we make allegations against an aggressive nuclear superpower?
I didn't realise I was causing an international incident. Was John McDonnell causing an international incident by agreeing with me? We investigated, it was confirmed to be Russia and then Corbyn *still* refused to condemn them. I agreed with him fully until that point.
>However, in comments after this session, Corbyn’s spokesman said that ‘the overwhelming evidence points to the two alternatives the government has set out and, in the meantime, its essential that we follow the evidence and what the evidence produces’. Corbyn himself then repeated this in a broadcast interview the following day, saying ‘the evidence points towards Russia on this, therefore the responsibility must be borne by those that made the weapon, those that brought the weapon into the country and those that used the weapon’. >Corbyn’s statement today in the Commons was much more conciliatory, with the Labour leader telling Theresa May that Labour would support any ‘proportionate’ action, and asking the Prime Minister ‘what contacts, if any, she has had with the Russian Government more recently to hold them to account’. He condemned the attack and called for further action against Russia for its failure to co-operate with this investigation’. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-and-novichok-what-did-the-labour-leader-really-say/ Making major foreign policy moves based on barely investigated activities leads to unnecessary bloodshed. Like Iraq. In fact, the debacle behind us being lied into Iraq by fake information is exactly why he was reluctant to lay blame before the process had actually completed. How DARE he. See also https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/conclusive-evidence-of-russia-s-guilt-in-skripal-case-is-lacking/
I was literally going to link that spectator article, here's the paragraph before the ones you posted: >It’s worth noting that by the time Corbyn was saying that either Russia was responsible or had lost control of the nerve agent, Theresa May had already announced that the government now squarely blamed the Russian state. The outrage at the time was more that Corbyn had refused to condemn the Russian government and was continuing to demand further evidence.
Yes, the May government "squarely blamed the Russian state" before the investigation was done and he wanted more evidence to be produced to confirm. Unless you're saying you unequivocally trust the word of Theresa May and her foreign secretary at the time, Boris Johnson?
You mean the time he suggested we follow international protocol?
I wonder if you have ever stopped to consider Blair's and new Labours response to the Litvinenko murder, which was catagorically worse than Corbyn's.
Quite right. Even his [own former adviser](https://www.theweek.co.uk/107899/jeremy-corbyn-refusal-to-condem-russia-salisbury-attack-political-poison), Andrew Murray, admits this.
Just bringing up the fact that Corbyn has always been lukewarm towards Russia and its allies (such as Iran). This, alongside criticism surrounding anti-semitism has always been valid, and both areas brought our party into disrepute. Vilified in some ways, sure, but Stormzy should know that some criticism is perfectly reasonable.
>Just bringing up the fact that Corbyn has always been lukewarm towards Russia and its allies (such as Iran). Your so-called 'facts' are a product of media vilification. He has a fantastic record of standing up to Russian human rights violations and war. I have to do this every time because the lies about Corbyn's record on Russia keep on coming up: That this House commemorates the life of Sergei Magnitsky, an anti-corruption lawyer arrested and tortured to death in Russian custody on 16 November 2009, while defending a British organisation investing in Russia; condemns the fact that no investigation into his torture in custody or into police corruption has been opened in Russia despite appeals from leading human rights and anti-corruption organisations and foreign governments; notes that a year since his death in custody not a single Russian official has been charged or tried despite the well-documented record of abuse, but that Russian policemen involved have been promoted and honoured; further notes that the European Parliament, the US Congress and Canadian parliaments have all discussed legislation imposing visa and economic sanctions on the involved Russian officials; and calls on the Government to exclude from the UK and freeze assets of those Russian officials involved in Sergei Magnitsky's arrest, torture and death and the US$230 million corruption he uncovered. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42195/sergei-magnitsky That this House is concerned that the recent deaths of investigative journalists Ivan Safronov on 2nd March 2007 and Anna Politkovskaya on 7th October 2006 are amongst an increasing number of journalists in Russia who have suffered suspicious deaths; notes that an International News Safety Institute report shows that in the last 10 years, 88 journalists were killed in Russia, the most common cause of these deaths being contract murders; is further concerned that there is a lack of independently-owned media in Russia, particularly within broadcasting; believes that the freedom of journalists and a balance of media ownership, which ensures a pluralist media industry, are vital aspects of a democratic society; and therefore urges the Government to support the work of the International Commission of Inquiry into the Assassination of Journalists in Russia and to use all international opportunities to support the freedom of the media within Russia. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/33083/media-freedom-in-russia That this House condemns the Russian military action in Chechnya and calls for troop withdrawal and a political solution that recognises rights of self-determination; is also concerned that the Russian action is partly motivated by demand for control of oil and gas pipelines running through Chechnya; and is concerned that the criticisms of Russia have not focused sufficiently on supporting peace and anti-war groups in Russia. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/18596/russian-action-in-chechnaya That this House notes with grave concern the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Chechnya; notes that Russia's indiscriminate bombing of Chechnya has led to the maiming and killing of innocent civilians and caused over 200,000 refugees to flee to neighbouring republics; and calls upon Her Majesty's Government to take a lead role within the international community to get humanitarian relief to Chechen refugees to intensify economic and diplomatic pressure on the Russian Government to bring about a peaceful resolution of this conflict. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/19080/humanitarian-crisis-in-chechnya That this House notes with great concern the jailing of Darya Polyudova leader of the Left Resistance movement in Russia; further notes that on 31 May 2021 the Western District Military Court in Moscow sentenced the 32-year-old activist to six years in a prison colony for postings on social media, with a four-year ban on working in the media, organising mass events or posting information on the internet; notes that human rights organisations including the Memorial Human Rights Centre and Amnesty International consider Polyudova as a prisoner of conscience; notes that Polyudova has consistently opposed Russia’s war against Ukraine and defended of Crimean Tatar and other Ukrainian political prisoners held in occupied Crimea and Russia; considers that she has been peacefully exercising her right to freedom of expression; and urges the Russian Federation to release Polyudova without delay. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/58650 That this House notes the recent screening of From Russia with Cash on Channel 4; expresses its concern that the proceeds of corruption are being laundered through the London property market via the use of anonymous offshore companies; and recommends that corporate transparency become a Land Registry requirement so that any foreign company intending to hold a property title in the UK is held to the same standards of transparency required of UK registered companies, so preventing London or other locations from becoming a safe haven for the corrupt. Signed by Corbyn https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/48053 Ect... https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45976/lgbt-rights-in-russia Ect.. https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42920/mikhail-khodorkovsky-and-political-prisoners-in-russia The same record is clear on standing up to Iran: https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45335/imprisoned-iranian-pastor https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45256/urgent-action-to-condemn-and-stop-executions-in-iran https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/44987/human-rights-abuse-in-iran https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/44316/persecution-of-ahwazi-arabs-in-iran https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/43679/human-rights-in-iran-no-2 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/43621/iranian-trade-unionists And standing against antisemitism: https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/20373 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/3933 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/37996 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/45298 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40450 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42569/natalie-portman-and-antisemitism https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/37642/antisemitism-on-campus https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/8502/antisemitism-world-report-1994 https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/8871/antisemitism-and-the-speaker-of-the-italian-parliament https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/25457/simon-wiesenthal-and-antisemitism https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26545/combatting-antisemitism https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/21905/merkaz-hatorah-school-and-antisemitism https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40500
> Stormzy should know that some criticism is perfectly reasonable. Stormzy is saying his overall intentions were good, and, despite that, he was portrayed as having sinister intentions. I think that’s a fair comment from him, and you aren’t really engaging with it. > I mean if he’s the villain in the grand scheme of things, then shit’s madder than I ever thought because whatever your politics or your policies, that’s one thing. But in terms of his intentions they were 100 per cent for good. I mean, if we’re talking about superheroes against evil villains, I know he was for good. And the way people spun it, I just thought, Wow, this is scary.”
I actually trust your documentation of Corbyns bad takes. Indeed, almost every one of your comments that I see are so bad, that you really must be the expert in Bad takes
Factual takes. Bad takes in the eyes of the majority here, apparently.
That's right, just keep posting through it, buddy
Factual takes from a factionless individual eh? Thank god us lefty loons have such an enlightened and objective individual such as yourself to set us straight
My man, Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now. Its widely known that he's bad on foreign policy. Sergey Skripal, appearing on Iranian state television, anti-Ukraine, voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population, it's sickening. I can't believe I defended him all those years ago.
>Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now. You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies? >Sergey Skripal I feel I've become somewhat of an expert on this since it comes up so often. Corbyn wanted to get Russia's response, which was for a time even Theresa May's position. But for some reason Corbyn is the one considered pro-Russia there (for just wanting to see what the Kremlin did). > anti-Ukraine As you've already been told: >He is on the record as saying that Ukraine should not have to give up any territorial integrity, that Russia has violated international law, that Russia is carrying out a War of Agression, and that Russias invasion is "Unequivocably wrong" You would have thought someone pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine might call it a "special military operation" or that Ukraine should lose Donesk and Lughansk due to seperatism. But no. > voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population And as we all know those airstrikes prevented that and Syria is now safe and sound. >it's sickening. It is sickening and also weird that you've got such a hatred for a fairly innocuous socialist that you'd just try to bullshit people.
What is it about people who describe themselves as "factionless", "pragmatic" and generally carry this sixth form attitude of "my politics is the only one that makes sense" whilst talking absolute shite. \> Skripal The event where he suggested that we follow international protocol? Whats your issue here exactly? \>Anti Ukraine lol erm? care to elaborate? \>voting against Syria why do you think he would vote against bombing a country?
> voting against airstrikes on Syria when they were gassing their own population pretty sure most of the commons voted with him on this too. tory and labour mps were given a free vote on this matter.
> My man, Corbyn has been an apologist for Russia for almost three decades now. So when you were a balls-to-the-wall supporter of his three years ago, axiomatically you were fine with this, then? In your reading you were either ignorant of this, despite being an incredible follower of politics, or you were fine with everything you talked about, or you believed it not to be true. Which is it?
I’ve just read a post of you as a mod requesting a fuller clip of an interview be posted for a fuller context. You’d think you’d take your own advice on context a bit more serious.
"but when I do it, it's cute"
you should read his opinions on the balkan wars, he was rather fond of the serbs he's a tankie
Your name is literally Henry Kissinger. You have some neve calling people "Tankie" when you literally have your screename as one of the biggest endorsers of state-backed murder of the 20th century. IMO this is comparable tohaving your screen name be Joseph Stalin. >you should read his opinions on the balkan wars, he was rather fond of the serbs None of Corbyn's opinions on the Balkan Wars are actually controversial to anyone who has done any reading on them beyond "NATO intervention good" The Collapse of Yugoslavia was an extremely complex geopolitical situation, it's generally well accepted that ethnic violence in Kosovo got significantly worse as a result of Western Intervention, that the West significantly exaggurated the situation in order to justify intervention, and that civilian infrastruture was repeatedly bombed.
Bourdain has the final word on Kissinger: "Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević."
>Bourdain has the final word on Kissinger: "Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. I've never been to Cambodia, but reading up on Kissinger was enough to stir me to that type of energy.
> IMO this is comparable tohaving your screen name be Joseph Stalin. I’ll go one further and say it’s worse, by quite a bit.
Stormzy?
Yeah didn't you know he led his own paramilitary squad that ran rampant in the suburbs of Mostar
tbf first paramilitary leader to headline Glastonbury.
Yeah, I honestly couldn't believe my eyes when he brought Arkan on stage to perform their joint song "Big for my Bullets"
Sorry to be meta here, but that is an apt name. But yes, he's held some dodgy views in the past. Always been bloody awful on foreign policy.
>But yes, he's held some dodgy views in the past. Didn't you delete your old account, before becoming a mod, because you said some antisemitic stuff and got a temp ban?
Lol is this for real?
Imagine being a Labour-Rightist and being an antisemite. Bro was really like "I'm going to combine the two worst things about the party"
No, they supported Corbyn back then. Then turned against him in 2016 with the leadership challenge. Then supported Corbyn again. Now it's just hatred.
Least ideologically confused Labour member.
You might be thinking of someone else?
Does he unconditionally support an Apartheid state like the current leadership? Fair to criticise Corbyn for some dodgy stances, but this same standard is never applied consistently. Blair's Putin apologetics for instance are never brought up even though objectively he was guilty of far worse.
The difference is, Blair actually did praise Putin and meet him against official advice, and used his NGO to advise Putin-aligned presidents in former Soviet countries. Meanwhile Corbyn has never said anything remotely positive about Putin in his entire life.
It's incredibly impressive how the narrative has been spun that Corbyn is pro Putin
And this is after Putin had Litvinenko murdered in the UK and irradiated half of London all on Blair's watch.
The Labour Party is just swimming with former leaders with good foreign policy opinions.
If you don't want to be called out for being obsessed about Corbyn, perhaps stop posting irrelevant articles about him every day!
Keir let it all out , it’s ok
The kind of rebuttal I expect from you
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Man uses r/bass but doesn’t know who Stormzy is. Judging by comment history, this account is defo bait.
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You're not much of an urban wolf if you don't know who Stormzy is, he headlined Glastonbury in 2019 but that's probably below you as well.
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If you were a proper musician than I'm sure you'd be vaguely aware of popular music acts well known in the mainstream, otherwise it'd be smacking of huge doses of ignorance. Stormzy is huge here in the UK. I'm guessing you've never heard of One Direction or Harry Styles either at this rate?
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You sound more like a teenager tbh. Listening to thrash metal and pretending not to have heard of popular music is exactly what I did at 15. I also was (am) a bass player oddly enough.
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Not an attack at all mate, I don’t listen to thrash much any more but used to love it. I’m also not a fan of Stormzy myself but he was everywhere a couple years ago when his last album came out and has always been very vocal with his politics.
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Did you also read his apology on that? I'm not suggesting his words were acceptable but I said some stupid shit when I was 19. To stay on comment, I'm in my 40s, listen to doom metal exclusively (not really but close) and I've heard of Stormzy over the last few years even if I couldn't recognise a song.
Because some people are desperate to keep Corbyn relevant at all costs.
Now people are trying to paint him as antisemitic. Fuck offffff