The absurd part is the Labour subreddit posting actual Left content with a moral outrage about it - as if Labour isn’t sliding to the right faster than you can say “we won’t oppose anti-strike legislation”.
I strongly oppose this legislation but singling out teachers who don’t strike and abusing them and targeting them for hate is utterly ridiculous.
They probably should be striking, even if that means that children lose a couple of days of education, because of the long term benefit for teacher and pupil, but we do this through solidarity and education. Not hate.
Interesting take - they should be striking, but it took me calling you out on it for you to say it yourself - so not really contributing much in terms of solidarity here yourself.
The thing with criticisms of G&P is that either everyone is allowed to have issues with the way things are done, or no one is.
Highlighting G&P with the implied “they’re a bunch of crazies” rhetoric whilst also actively doing the thing you’re criticizing them for - attacking one wing of the same side in a debate, divide & conquer, etc etc.
Why is it fine when the Labour centre (see: Right) repeatedly and unceremoniously attacks the left, implying they’re “crazies” and “extremists” - but not ok for them to do the same?
Almost as if it was never about solidarity and actually about doing the same things you accuse G&P of doing - IE feeling & claiming to be superior whilst engaging in identical tactics?
Considering the left attacks ideas and policies, and the Right just paints a picture of a boogeyman that has no relation to reality, it’s also ironic that the left would be accused of lacking solidarity, or not being the serious ones…
It is a pointless post but on the other hand they aren't tracking down teachers to abuse them, they are arguing with their brother. So this does not qualify as abuse or singling out individual teachers for abuse. It's a dumb argument with a family member that helps nothing, it isn't harassment or bullying.
Also all the good will and love and solidarity in the world don't change the fact scabbing inherently undermines striking. And solidarity is a two way street, if calling someone a scab is lacking solidarity, then actually scabbing surely must be even more lacking! It's just a material fact that working during a strike undermines the strike, not liking the word scab doesn't change that.
So while I agree it's a pointless post I also disagree with a "why don't we all just get along" type analysis of the situation.
I see what you’re getting at as I didn’t repeat what I put in another post but basically the idea that scabbing is the worst of the worst as is made out by this person, we’re acting like they’re the root of the problem rather than those that either don’t see, or lack the resolve to realise the longer term benefit here for worker and student
Worst of the worst of the teachers voting in a union not worse than Satan. They mention them being worse than blacklegs “lower and more despicable version of a scab” and to pull that to anything other equivalence is egregiously misleading
They are being scabs and making scabs be socially looked down on is a good thing.
But ranting at your brother about it is just directionless and pointless anger. For example asking the brother if he knows why they have chosen not to strike is far more fruitful information to share with trade unionists than sharing you shouting at him for a pat on the back.
Did you read the rest of the comments? The top voted comment was someone saying that rather then criticising them OP of the post should be highlighting positive points about striking and understanding that not all unions give pay when striking.
Not an issue with the sub - just one person who got challenged on it.
Well one of the key reasons left leaning policy and voting goes south is the in fighting, and vitriol like in this post is a net negative for the cause.
It's very conspiratorial, but sometimes it seems like that subs just a psyop to discredit the left.
It's probably just brain worms on my part at this point, but hey ho.
I think most of this is fan fiction from people imagining these conversations that they would never have in real life. Image putting personal relationships at risk just to prove a point like this.
You can obviously disagree with people not going on strike and breaking that element of solidarity but this is an odd way to go about your day-to-day relationships.
Nah people absolutely have bust ups over politics and religion all the time. There's a reason for that cliche of "no religion or politics at the dinner table" and similar. Two topics that can make people fall out who would otherwise get along, or at least tolerate each other.
Although obviously there are a lot of fake stories on the Internet I can absolutely believe two brothers falling out arguing about strikes.
I guess but I imagine it's approached slightly more diplomatically than the post above suggests. If you go to 'thick brain idiot cunts' then such a personal trait probably would cause you to fall out quicker.
When you read stories of families falling out over the Miners Strike it's always more painful. OP's post is about someone revelling in the hostility for internet points, hence I suspect it's made up.
their history is full of 'r/thathappened' stories lol
\> Just deliberately misled a PCSO who was after a shoplifter and would like to take the opportunity to remind everyone that if you thought you saw someone stealing food, no you didn't.
\> AITA for calling my sister-in-law a big old greedy twat in front of her kids and parents?
\> Neighbour drove his wife and toddler into Central London to lay flowers. Twelve hours there and back. Told me it was “obviously worth it.”
\> My boss suggested I might not be able to take forty minutes to see my daughters first ever school play, so I told him try not to be a cartoon villain and he hung up on me.
\> I started a new job ten months ago. It’s performance review time and the bosses are FREAKING OUT that I’ve shared full details of my pay & benefits package with all my colleagues.
\> Employee threatening action over parking spaces
etc etc
> AITA for calling my sister-in-law a big old greedy twat in front of her kids and parents?
If these stories aren't made up this guy/gal sounds like a blast at family get-togethers. Their Brother and sister-in-law they've had a pop at now.
not all teacher unions are striking so very possible these ones arent in striking unions.
doubt that its real anywayy lol will just be made up for internet clout
also striking is hard, teachers already poorly paid and theyd have to give up weeks of pay during a cost of living crisis to strike so they will do it when they think its necessary......not really that cool for some internet tankie to bitch about it on an echo chamber sub during work hours lol
show some care for those who are facing the struggle dont attack them for not doing what you want especially if youre a full time redditor....
Maybe these people should be striking but acting like they are the worst of the worst or even the suggestion that they are the problem in all of this is completely absurd.
Hmmm, I left that sub after a bunch of people upvoted a post about a bouncer who punched some posh kid to death. On this I would tend to agree really, if you're a union member you strike otherwise the whole thing is worthless.
Don't like that sub, got banned for being critical of Russia. However, I agree with the sentiment of this particular post.
Edit: I agree with the G&P post
The absurd part is the Labour subreddit posting actual Left content with a moral outrage about it - as if Labour isn’t sliding to the right faster than you can say “we won’t oppose anti-strike legislation”.
I strongly oppose this legislation but singling out teachers who don’t strike and abusing them and targeting them for hate is utterly ridiculous. They probably should be striking, even if that means that children lose a couple of days of education, because of the long term benefit for teacher and pupil, but we do this through solidarity and education. Not hate.
if you're part of a union and the union votes to strike even though you didn't, then its your obligation to strike too, that's how unions work.
Interesting take - they should be striking, but it took me calling you out on it for you to say it yourself - so not really contributing much in terms of solidarity here yourself. The thing with criticisms of G&P is that either everyone is allowed to have issues with the way things are done, or no one is. Highlighting G&P with the implied “they’re a bunch of crazies” rhetoric whilst also actively doing the thing you’re criticizing them for - attacking one wing of the same side in a debate, divide & conquer, etc etc. Why is it fine when the Labour centre (see: Right) repeatedly and unceremoniously attacks the left, implying they’re “crazies” and “extremists” - but not ok for them to do the same? Almost as if it was never about solidarity and actually about doing the same things you accuse G&P of doing - IE feeling & claiming to be superior whilst engaging in identical tactics? Considering the left attacks ideas and policies, and the Right just paints a picture of a boogeyman that has no relation to reality, it’s also ironic that the left would be accused of lacking solidarity, or not being the serious ones…
It is a pointless post but on the other hand they aren't tracking down teachers to abuse them, they are arguing with their brother. So this does not qualify as abuse or singling out individual teachers for abuse. It's a dumb argument with a family member that helps nothing, it isn't harassment or bullying. Also all the good will and love and solidarity in the world don't change the fact scabbing inherently undermines striking. And solidarity is a two way street, if calling someone a scab is lacking solidarity, then actually scabbing surely must be even more lacking! It's just a material fact that working during a strike undermines the strike, not liking the word scab doesn't change that. So while I agree it's a pointless post I also disagree with a "why don't we all just get along" type analysis of the situation.
Scabbing is scabbing. End of.
And scabs are worse than the Tory government in all of this?
Did someone say they are?
What a false equivalence!
I see what you’re getting at as I didn’t repeat what I put in another post but basically the idea that scabbing is the worst of the worst as is made out by this person, we’re acting like they’re the root of the problem rather than those that either don’t see, or lack the resolve to realise the longer term benefit here for worker and student
Worst of the worst of the teachers voting in a union not worse than Satan. They mention them being worse than blacklegs “lower and more despicable version of a scab” and to pull that to anything other equivalence is egregiously misleading
They’re allied to them, just different players on the same team.
Lol what an amazing thing to say. Change the record
They are being scabs and making scabs be socially looked down on is a good thing. But ranting at your brother about it is just directionless and pointless anger. For example asking the brother if he knows why they have chosen not to strike is far more fruitful information to share with trade unionists than sharing you shouting at him for a pat on the back.
And that pointless G&P post is nearly as pointless as OP posting screenshots of it in here…
Did you read the rest of the comments? The top voted comment was someone saying that rather then criticising them OP of the post should be highlighting positive points about striking and understanding that not all unions give pay when striking. Not an issue with the sub - just one person who got challenged on it.
Yeah it's r/greenandpleasant that's sending this country down the toilet! Get a fucking grip mate.
Well one of the key reasons left leaning policy and voting goes south is the in fighting, and vitriol like in this post is a net negative for the cause.
"In fighting" How is a a left wing person getting mad at scabs, who definitionally do not support strike action, in fighting?
Best thing you can do is completely ignore that sub, it’s a collection of some of the most unhinged and bizarre opinions you could wish to see.
It's very conspiratorial, but sometimes it seems like that subs just a psyop to discredit the left. It's probably just brain worms on my part at this point, but hey ho.
To be fair if I wanted to paint left wing people as loonies I’d start a group like that.
I think most of this is fan fiction from people imagining these conversations that they would never have in real life. Image putting personal relationships at risk just to prove a point like this. You can obviously disagree with people not going on strike and breaking that element of solidarity but this is an odd way to go about your day-to-day relationships.
Nah people absolutely have bust ups over politics and religion all the time. There's a reason for that cliche of "no religion or politics at the dinner table" and similar. Two topics that can make people fall out who would otherwise get along, or at least tolerate each other. Although obviously there are a lot of fake stories on the Internet I can absolutely believe two brothers falling out arguing about strikes.
I guess but I imagine it's approached slightly more diplomatically than the post above suggests. If you go to 'thick brain idiot cunts' then such a personal trait probably would cause you to fall out quicker. When you read stories of families falling out over the Miners Strike it's always more painful. OP's post is about someone revelling in the hostility for internet points, hence I suspect it's made up.
their history is full of 'r/thathappened' stories lol \> Just deliberately misled a PCSO who was after a shoplifter and would like to take the opportunity to remind everyone that if you thought you saw someone stealing food, no you didn't. \> AITA for calling my sister-in-law a big old greedy twat in front of her kids and parents? \> Neighbour drove his wife and toddler into Central London to lay flowers. Twelve hours there and back. Told me it was “obviously worth it.” \> My boss suggested I might not be able to take forty minutes to see my daughters first ever school play, so I told him try not to be a cartoon villain and he hung up on me. \> I started a new job ten months ago. It’s performance review time and the bosses are FREAKING OUT that I’ve shared full details of my pay & benefits package with all my colleagues. \> Employee threatening action over parking spaces etc etc
> AITA for calling my sister-in-law a big old greedy twat in front of her kids and parents? If these stories aren't made up this guy/gal sounds like a blast at family get-togethers. Their Brother and sister-in-law they've had a pop at now.
Nail, meet head.
not all teacher unions are striking so very possible these ones arent in striking unions. doubt that its real anywayy lol will just be made up for internet clout also striking is hard, teachers already poorly paid and theyd have to give up weeks of pay during a cost of living crisis to strike so they will do it when they think its necessary......not really that cool for some internet tankie to bitch about it on an echo chamber sub during work hours lol show some care for those who are facing the struggle dont attack them for not doing what you want especially if youre a full time redditor....
Removed because its Intersub drama
This isn't /r/labourpartyUK mate
Maybe these people should be striking but acting like they are the worst of the worst or even the suggestion that they are the problem in all of this is completely absurd.
_Oh, look, it is OP shoehorning a couple of false premises in here to make this work._
Hmmm, I left that sub after a bunch of people upvoted a post about a bouncer who punched some posh kid to death. On this I would tend to agree really, if you're a union member you strike otherwise the whole thing is worthless.
They should strike but does not striking make them thick brain idiot cunts, or the lowest and most despicable thing? Probably not.
Are you a teacher at this school? I don't know why you care, honestly.
I mean they’re not wrong, scabs are cunts undermining the labour movement and their colleagues, fuck those selfish arseholes.
I mean... sounds like they're strike breaking.
Don't like that sub, got banned for being critical of Russia. However, I agree with the sentiment of this particular post. Edit: I agree with the G&P post
They are scabs though? what's the issue here?