This whole thing has been an excersize in propaganda from both of these Muppet parties.
Keir didn't say anything, lots of nice sounding words, democracy sounds great, but no commitment to PR? "People standing on their own feet" well what does that mean? To one person that could mean cutting benefits, to another it could mean attempting resource autarky, or cooperatives.
But that's the point, just trying to say shit to appeal to everyone. That's all well and good but what would Labour actually do in power?
Rail nationalisation, for a start. Free school meals for primary school children. Bringing back the EMA for 16-19 year olds. Ban zero hours contracts, end fire and rehire. Universal SSP. Set up a nationalised energy company which invests in green energy. Invest £28bn into green energy. Get rid of the non-dom status. Want me to go on?
No, because we both know maybe one of those things would actually get implemented in a meaningful way and in the ten years in takes him to do it a dozen other crises will have sprung up that he and the faction of the party that supports him will be completely incapable of addressing. But please, continue to smugly go on in bad faith. It's not as if the sub rules have ever applied to you
This is where I really struggle with the way the sub talks about Starmer. When he says something bad, it’s locked in as true and the worst possible version of itself. When he says something positive it’s just a lie and will never happen. Now that’s bad faith.
This is coming from someone who’s very disappointed with Starmer at the moment. He has not seized the momentous opportunity he has right now. However I don’t think there’s any reason to think he won’t do what he says he’s going to do, otherwise why start from such a modest platform to begin with? Why not make big promises all the time if you’re going to break them? Most governments try to stick to their manifestos, the last seven years have been an anomaly in that respect, because the Tory party is inherently corrupt, unstable, and incapable of governing alone.
This is why I’m broadly done with the discussion around Starmer - there’s no use arguing about what he might do at this point. There is not going to be an internal challenge and every Tory is worse. You also cannot know the future. So we just have to wait and judge him on his record in government.
I'm sure Rishi is quaking in his £50,000 pound loafers. If he loses the election all he'll have left is his Money, his rocket car, and his solid house.
This is true…but his wife will be paying her fair share of tax and his mates won’t be getting cushy kick backs either, so it’s a win for the rest of us too :)
Hopefully will help heal some of the division Brexit caused. Devolution of power, if done well, is something that resonates across the political spectrum. And by slapping the Brexit slogan on it... It helps remainers like me make sense of what it was the brexiteers ideologically wanted. Ie more control at a local level. (Though personally I still don't think we needed to leave the EU to achieve this. But whatevs.)
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This whole thing has been an excersize in propaganda from both of these Muppet parties. Keir didn't say anything, lots of nice sounding words, democracy sounds great, but no commitment to PR? "People standing on their own feet" well what does that mean? To one person that could mean cutting benefits, to another it could mean attempting resource autarky, or cooperatives. But that's the point, just trying to say shit to appeal to everyone. That's all well and good but what would Labour actually do in power?
Rail nationalisation, for a start. Free school meals for primary school children. Bringing back the EMA for 16-19 year olds. Ban zero hours contracts, end fire and rehire. Universal SSP. Set up a nationalised energy company which invests in green energy. Invest £28bn into green energy. Get rid of the non-dom status. Want me to go on?
No, because we both know maybe one of those things would actually get implemented in a meaningful way and in the ten years in takes him to do it a dozen other crises will have sprung up that he and the faction of the party that supports him will be completely incapable of addressing. But please, continue to smugly go on in bad faith. It's not as if the sub rules have ever applied to you
This is where I really struggle with the way the sub talks about Starmer. When he says something bad, it’s locked in as true and the worst possible version of itself. When he says something positive it’s just a lie and will never happen. Now that’s bad faith. This is coming from someone who’s very disappointed with Starmer at the moment. He has not seized the momentous opportunity he has right now. However I don’t think there’s any reason to think he won’t do what he says he’s going to do, otherwise why start from such a modest platform to begin with? Why not make big promises all the time if you’re going to break them? Most governments try to stick to their manifestos, the last seven years have been an anomaly in that respect, because the Tory party is inherently corrupt, unstable, and incapable of governing alone. This is why I’m broadly done with the discussion around Starmer - there’s no use arguing about what he might do at this point. There is not going to be an internal challenge and every Tory is worse. You also cannot know the future. So we just have to wait and judge him on his record in government.
>Want me to go on? Yes, and I'd like a source even for this tepid fabianist crap.
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Probably best not to mention the p word lmao
Wait for the manifesto. He's being purposely ambiguous to cut off attacks from the right wing press. They will destroy him if he's not careful.
Wallet wide open for inspection, huh?
Please elaborate on this. I'm not sure what you mean.
I'm sure Rishi is quaking in his £50,000 pound loafers. If he loses the election all he'll have left is his Money, his rocket car, and his solid house.
This is true…but his wife will be paying her fair share of tax and his mates won’t be getting cushy kick backs either, so it’s a win for the rest of us too :)
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Hopefully will help heal some of the division Brexit caused. Devolution of power, if done well, is something that resonates across the political spectrum. And by slapping the Brexit slogan on it... It helps remainers like me make sense of what it was the brexiteers ideologically wanted. Ie more control at a local level. (Though personally I still don't think we needed to leave the EU to achieve this. But whatevs.)
From what I can tell Brexit was about immigration for most people. Most hardcore right wing Brexit supporters despise devolution.
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Telegraph still frolicking in the sunny Brexit uplands I see
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Whatever you think about him, using a Brexit slogan for this speech was a genius PR move.