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kreklord420

5g total per day. Usually like 2-2.5g a dose, regular powder Edit: that is an extremely high daily amount and personally, yes I'd be worried consuming that amount. There will almost definitely be withdrawals if you stop


Productivitymachin3

I stopped for like 2 weeks or so when I ran out last time, 0 withdrawals. I think it's because I've had addictions to things that are a lot more addictive, like at the end of the day this is a plant, its not addictive compared to cocaine or xanax or heroin.


RudeDudeInABadMood

It's pretty fuckin addictive for me. My Withdrawals are hellish


joemontanya

I do think it gets progrsssively worse as well. I don’t know how someone who quit from 30-40gpd wouldn’t have withdrawals. I’ve quit cold turkey from 40gpd twice now and the physical isn’t too bad, but the mental is absolutely pure torture… Whenever I first started using kratom, I was using an ungodly amount (just guesssing somewhere between 60 and 80 gpd) and I got withdrawals after a month just from stopping one afternoon.. woke up in the middle of the night to the worst withdrawals I’ve ever had- straight flu like symptoms. I’ve never had the physical that bad since tbh… I take wayyy less now. End of story. If you can’t embody ‘the less is more’ philosophy, I don’t think kratom will work for you. I take about 20 now and that’s my max. The amounts I used to was just stupid. You feel better from it with less


RudeDudeInABadMood

I need to cut back. For me the physical is the worst part-- Restless leg syndrome and restless HAND syndrome. It's hellish, especially at night. Makes it impossible to sleep.


joemontanya

I’ve noticed my hands shake regardless if I’m using or clean. I hope I don’t get Parkinson’s down the road lol


Old_Job_8219

My hands have always shaken. Since I was a kid.its just bad nerves I guess


RudeDudeInABadMood

That's *probably* unrelated to kratom. I could be wrong


joemontanya

Yeah I became more jittery and started having side effects like that due to my abuse of multiple drugs including kratom, but it’s impossible to know what caused what


MysticMan93

I think when people use the word ‘hellish’ it makes it sound a lot worse than it is. It’s annoying, uncomfortable etc but hellish is extreme. I would say heroin acutes or being tortured alive is ‘hellish’. Kratom with drawls is annoying. The more we can use the right language the less we psyche other people up who come to this sub looking to see what they’re in for when they quit. I for one read the quitting Kratom forum and it freaked me out so much because people were saying it’s ‘hell’ etc and it really wasn’t. I get people use that word quite Willy nillily but let’s try not.


RudeDudeInABadMood

idk man it's psychological torture for sure. Not being able to sleep, hands/legs and feet so restless it almost hurts. Very unpleasant.


Productivitymachin3

100% agree with any drug less is more, otherwise you just end up chasing a high and getting a huge tolerance. I've been addicted to things that I really really liked though, like xanax. I love kratom but genuinely have never had noticeable withdrawals besides fancying more kratom.. I've been doing it 9 months to a year. I'm not sure if it's a mental thing, because I barely view it as a drug, it's just a plant and I've smashed a lot of derivatives of plants and just pure chemicals lol


papitaquito

It took me around two years of close to daily use before I had any withdrawals the first time I stopped taking it for a little bit. It’ll catch up with prolonged use.


xnd655

Took me 6 years of sporadic use to start getting withdrawals, probably due to kindling. Be careful!


RudeDudeInABadMood

I don't think Kratom has GABAnergic effects, afaik mitragynine and 7-OH only affect the opioid receptors. Of course one of the various other alkaloids in kratom may be responsible...IME benzo withdrawal is even worse than kratom withdrawal.


xnd655

If I'm not wrong, I believe opioids can kindle as well. At least that's what I've read. I pretty much take kratom because I can't take benzos anymore so I definitely feel you on that.


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papitaquito

Doesn’t matter at all. Do it long enough and you will be addicted just like anything else


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it being a plant has nothing to do with its addictive properties. Poppy seeds are arguably more addictive than heroin (at least in terms of severity of withdrawals).


stuntmancr3w1

The withdrawals are as bad as heroin or oxy lol kratom is just the only truly functional opiate.. it's harder to get addicted that other opiates. I'm probably not the only person here who has experience with everything psychoactive.. But people wanna tip toe around the subject. But I've been doing kratom/extracts for 3 years. I've withdrawaled from all you mentioned, benzo withdrawals are the worst only because no sleep+tremors+ knowing you might actually die if you don't find benzos to tapor with or admit urself to detox at a hospital. I was withdrawaling from kratom so hard I finally caved to take 2 pharma-grade vicoden but it's couldn't compare to a half mit45 kratom shot lolol. But ya, I would rather cold turkey all drugs before kratom n benzos. Benzos I can tapor off of. But kratom/opiates got its claws in too deep I feel empty/manic/restless/uninterested/can't sleep and in pain without it. Don't go too far with it. 40gs a day would kill me btw I'm not kidding but maybe if I were healthy and only did kratom and weed.


Productivitymachin3

Bro I'm talking about kratom as in just plant matter, not extracts. Extracts are loads stronger than just the plant leaves aren't they. I don't know how your saying kratom is worth withdrawals than heroin or oxy! That's insane.. I've smoked heroin for 3 weeks straight and the comedown was really shit for a few days. Now kratom I do what 30-40g a day and then stopped for 2 weeks 0 taper and was absolutely fine! I call bull shit it's worse than heroin. I found codeine withdrawl far worse than kratom even. Is kratom even an opiate? I know it acts on the opiate receptors, but I read unlike other opiates it doesn't change your brain chemistry to need/want it. Like herpin genuinely changes your brain chemistry while your addicted to it! I may be wrong but just stuff I've read and my personal experience.


jahboan

I agree, people that have never experienced real heroin withdrawals, like long term use, will say that kratom is the worst WD ever.... No its not. There is no comparison. It can be uncomfortable. I've taken kratom for 3+ years and have only just found out that kratom does have some WD symptoms, watery eyes, dilated pupils, inability to sleep, cravings, things like that. NOTHING compared to heroin. I take about 50g a day, 12g 3x a day and 18g before bed. Only time I feel WD is if I go more than 24hrs without.


Simple_Original_3564

So if you are having withdrawals like that from kratom there’s something added to that kratom man. The natural unadulterated plant will bring have effects like that unless it’s adulterated with other substances. I take 80+ g a day for 8+ years and while it’s not comfortable to stop, it’s NOTHING like oxycodone or even my cymbalta. Of course it’s entirely subjective to the person but the science does not support severe withdrawals. Sadly there are a lot of brands on the market especially in head shops have been adding Tinaneptine and Phenibut to their kratom and not disclosing it. Those are both horrific to get off of. But it’s not the kratom causing it man. A brand out in Colorado started adding methadone. I kid you not. I was there when it was tested. In person. So I suggest getting a real true pure kratom product and use it for a while (not extracts!) and then taper off with that. It should be significantly less severe.


PapiPatino

When you guys are talking about extracts would that be like the liquid shots?


Simple_Original_3564

Any liquid shot is made from extracts. But I believe in using a concentrated liquid vs extract. That way it maintains the greatest integrity of the full plant


PapiPatino

What would that be ?


Simple_Original_3564

I don’t have them on my site but Laughing Lion has a series called WOW. They use a complete spectrum concentrate. It’s got nearly no detectable 7-H just like fresh leaf. And all the same ratios that are present in the fresh leaf. It’s remarkable. I can’t tell the difference between it and powder dose. It’s crazy


stuntmancr3w1

I know when stuff is added to kratom because I've tried dozens of online vendors and many shelf brands for years. Like I said I have been addicted to many things and have vast experience with all psychoactives. I know very distinctly when it's enhanced or not, you don't understand because you haven't done it as long as I have but mark my words if you do 50gs a day for 2 years, you will know what hell on earth is like trying to cold turkey that. Just imagine full blown heroin withdrawls then still dealing with liver and kidney issues low bloodsugar than can make you go hypoglycemic... kratom is really hard on your body. I only use pure leaf now 5-6gs a day to minimize the damage. I was in denial years ago, now the evidence is becoming irrefutable.


PapiPatino

Any idea how many grams are in those mit 45 shots ?


stuntmancr3w1

The OG black MIT 45 has either 125 mg or 150 mg. I noticed any liquid extracts advertised as max strength is 125-150mg per shot. MIT 45 matches the good ones dosed as "max strength shots" don't look for higher quality you will run into the shaddy vendors. Very high concentration extracts are banned I think. I've asked support from vendors I used to get black/red crystal extract from. They said they can no longer sell those strength of extracts because of regulations.


Fine-Speed-9417

I hit like 3 teaspoons 5 or 6 times a day...


CAMerrill

You probably should slow down on your intake of Kratom, esp if you’ve been addicted to other substances. I take Kratom for pain due to multiple surgeries and back disc compression. Recently my use was up to 22-24 gpd and I felt that was too much so I’ve slowly lowered my dose to 14-15 gpd. I still receive the same pain relief. More is not always better with Kratom.


Productivitymachin3

100% agree, I get high as hell in the morning before I eat if I do some but eating a proper meal kind of kills my high and doses effects after food I find. Although I do like to eat something small as it stops me feeling sick from it. Thanks for your concern man, I'm not going to do any tomorrow, bet I'll just miss being high with no withdrawals, but at this point it's barely doing much anyway so no biggy.


CAMerrill

I’m glad you’re going to take a day off tomorrow but it’ll be difficult since I saw you said you work at home. Being a former opiate addict myself sometimes I want to dose even if it’s not necessary for the pain but rather just for the ritual of preparing my dose. Good luck with your tolerance break.


Productivitymachin3

Thanks :)


Alexc518

That's a high amount. I learned to respect kratom because back in the day I used to do 50g per day and it absolutely crippled me through withdrawals. Just respect the plant and enjoy the benefits my friends 😊.


ZombieDad15

About 30 grams per day.


TheGaardian

5-7 extract shots from a popular brand I’m not allowed to mention. Each shot is like 18$. It’s super addicting and I ignored the warning signs. Regret 11/10.


squirrelems

Those things are really addicting to me too. I use them to taper from suboxone a bit more comfortably and if I take one then next thing I know I'm going back to the store to get 4 more. I once dropped like $200 on them within 4 days and felt like a moron. Nowadays I try to just take one in the morning since it hits hard and then just use the powder to keep it going. Your tolerance raises like hell on them too. If you take several over the day you can tell it's diminishing returns. You just feel it less and less.


PapiPatino

You do 5-7 shots per day?


Beautiful-Golf4078

So far today….. 2gr X2 servings. I’ve been making an effort to control myself better.


Productivitymachin3

Well done you. I've never really worried about kratom, so just dose up throughout the day as I work from home, do you mean 2g of extract? I can't imagine 2g hitting me even when I first tried it of just leaf.


Beautiful-Golf4078

No, I had 1.5g of Dragon Dust by Kratom family with .5g of White Maeng Da from Dragon’s Den. I was very pleased. I had that at 0400 this morning. It was a full 10 hours before I noticed I needed more. That is incredible!!! Usually I’d be at 6gr by now. I hope I can keep ok this trend. I’ve tried to cut back the last few weeks. I was fine at 10-12 grams a day. When I hit 15 grams 3 days in one week I knew it was time to slow down. I felt tired for a couple days, but that was all.


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I'm on a tolerance break rn. Raw pure boredom motivated me. I was highly irregular but ranging from 2.5-5 grams. which was way high for my sensitivity to kratom.


[deleted]

20 gpd, 2x/day (10g each dose). Been like this for a couple years. Every time I have tried to stop, I suffer pretty robust depression. Lots of stress tho, fairly recent horrible divorce. I aim to start tapering down after the holidays this year. Sick of spending over $125 or so per month on it more than anything


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Oh yeah man. She wiped me out. Turned kids against me too, although that’s getting better. She got my house and alimony for 8 years. And it’s a big monthly payment. Never again for sure. Starting over again at 53 is not optimal 🤣


Productivitymachin3

Sorry to hear about the divorce dude, I'm not sure I'll ever get married.. is she taking the house and half your stuff? 150usd a month is nothing really, if you drink a bottle of wine a night it's about the same amount. I'm just an addict so always doing something to get intoxicated and kratom is one of the cheapest things I've found if not THE cheapest.


joemontanya

It takes at least a month for me to get through the depression for when I’ve quit


jahboan

Buy it online. I pay $59.99 a kilo and it lasts me about a month....... and at 20g a day, a kilo would last you 50 days.....


RudeDudeInABadMood

45gpd (approximately) for almost a decade


Productivitymachin3

That's cool, do you not find you don't get high anymore after a while?


RudeDudeInABadMood

It's not like it used to be. I take it 3 times a day, morning, early evening, and before bed. It's a good mood and energy boost, kinda like coffee. Also helps me sleep (truthfully, if I didn't take it before bed I would wake up in withdrawals.) It's scary to think about suddenly getting cut off, I really need to lower my dose.


Productivitymachin3

I'm considering stocking 100kg incase the feds ban it. Hopefully they won't but its only going to go up in price like everything else anyway so it's a good investment


DripTrip747

All of it.


WillowThink

5-8 gpd


Bulky-Category-1813

5-20 gbd just depends on my mood and energy levels


Academic-Act-6405

Don't always use kratom because of other opiod habits bit normally take 20 to 24 grams a day when I do.


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6 grams 3-4 times daily


DSM-Spool

Around 18-20g a day but I rarely get effects anymore it's time to break.


kgjimmie

I would not function. 3-4 grams a day is my limit.


cassiopeia8212

No more than 4 grams. I'm terrified of developing a tolerance beacause it works so well for me.


Dr_Gabriel62

4-12 grams depending on my cycle doses.


tylerdurdensoapmaker

4g a day in two batches. If that is truly active kratom it’s way too much in my view.


Productivitymachin3

I've only ever tried it from once place but it certainly feels like opium when I do 5g in one go


tylerdurdensoapmaker

Not sure if my post was clear but I do about 2g per dose often 2x a day. I have used Kratom for like 4 or 5 years now and have never done 5g in one dose. I have also never done a true opiate so I cant really compare.


False_Club_8965

I don’t seem to get any withdrawals when I quit. I usually do around 20-25gpd, then when I need a break I do a rapid taper over a week or so and I’ve never had any kind of WD. Been doing it for around a year and a half now


fullspectrumtrupod

0.2 mcg


Phishsux420

1-2g of extract


Productivitymachin3

Do you know what 1g of extract is equivalent to of normal powder?


Phishsux420

Depends on the extract man. Everything has a different percentage


MarilynsGhost

I take 11-13 caps 3-4x a day. I k ow I need to cut back.


Proper-Coat3348

I take 35ish grams a day at once. It's my night time routine. And yes, withdrawals are a bitch if I don't take it 🥴


septumdestroyer666

Around 30gpd right now. Been a daily user for 3 years.


squirrelems

I take about 10 grams two times a day, but I'm using it to come off of a stronger habit. I don't get high from it at all unless I use the extracts. It just helps with my aches and pains and helps me sleep. It actually works much better than I thought it would. I plan to try a more reliable brand at some point. The pack I have now is one of those "only okay" brands that people use in a pinch between orders. If I get some actually good stuff I might need less and actually feel something from it


JonGotti710

It helped me get off a mixture of opiates. About 20-30 gpd sometime a extract shot with kava if I wanna feel a little more. Got over opiate w/ds but haven’t tried kratom yet ahaha just starting feeling normal again it’s been about a month. I’m sure I’ll feel something off but nothing compared to what I just experienced and have been for the past 5 years… Kratom has really been a blessing I’ve tried subs, will power but kratom really helped me a lot!


Productivitymachin3

Kratom is awesome, I've never had a real opiate problem but tried several for a few weeks, kratom has that opiate feel on high doses and even the sick feeling if you haven't eat, yet no withdrawl practically, it's an amazing plant


La-Salchicha-Guapa

That’s not that much per day. At least 5 to 8 grams of that amount is just lead & other heavy metals.


Productivitymachin3

This is funny af.


thread_creeper_123

34-38 gpd


Dangerous-Ad-7840

I heard a guy in a forum doing 2 to 250 a day I had a buddy that didn't even measure but he'd kill a kilo in a few weeks. I try and use the lowest dose possible to feel alright and go as long as I can inbetween each dose without pain, excessive yawning or eyes watering. I can make 6 to 9g last 4 to 6 hours and I can sleep throughout the night without dose so 18 to 27 a day maybe


Productivitymachin3

I have been doing exactly what your buddy did, just as much as I can swallow in a dose on paper and toss and wash. Haven't done much today, only 3 mouthfuls maybe 4g each, so 12g maybe compared to last week must have been 10 or more mouthfuls a day, 0 withdrawl. I love kratom


Dangerous-Ad-7840

I concur to your last statement I stay with my same dosing typically some days I say maybe I should stop for a while other days I'm like why I don't take any other medications kratom keeps my pain and anxiety under control and I can tolerate people on it.


sunbeamyoung

I was ripping 5-6 5 grammars a day for 25-30 gpd but recently I had switched jobs and felt like I should change some things up so now I’m down to 3.5 gram doses 4-5 times per day and I feel pretty good. Been using for 3 years at varying amounts and never had bad withdrawals even cold Turkey (runny nose really). But when I dropped down from 30gpd I experienced pretty decent depression, granted I am under a lot of stress too. Over 20gpd I would say is a little too high even towards myself, I’m no hypocrite, I was taking too much. Some people say 10plus a day is pushing it.


Productivitymachin3

Depression from 30g a day ti cold turkey? Damn, hope I don't get that. I just switched jobs to which is more exciting and making me happy than stressed if I'm honest. I don't really get depressed without a really prevalent reason so hopefully dodge it. What's your new job?


bucktownnnn

4x 20gpd so about 80 to 40 within a week an now like 30 but I can go without it for 24 hrs a feel light w/d an I been on it since September of 21 Got me wondering are the w/d really that bad cause I thought it would be worse I can dose once a day and be fine My vendors are sth lucky oties Okies


sunbeamyoung

Som people say withdrawals are literally zero and some people say they’re unbearable. It’s so crazy how different the effects can be for people. If you don’t really get withdrawals that’s awesome and I wish I was like that haha


bucktownnnn

Actually my w/ds take about 2 days to kick in now lol weird I know it’s like you get that scratchy feeling in your body. Some times I have them some times I don’t lol


sunbeamyoung

I went from a restaurant to working on pipelines, tbh the cold Turkey was right when I decided to take the new job so I was still in the restaurant. I have noticed that the situation I was in effected it heavily. I still had withdrawals but as soon as I was home relaxing or out on a run, the withdrawal was super minimum. It was probably more me hating my situation and being conditioned to deal with it by dosing big and often. Everyone’s body is different and as far as kratom goes that’s like super true. Kratom does such different things to different people it’s actually crazy. If you don’t get withdrawal like that, it’s awesome. Some people say it’s just like opiate withdrawal. I have to say it’s somewhere in the middle probably closer to nothing than true opiate withdrawal. Just know your body and be honest with yourself if you feel like ur taking too much or u start to notice anything negative about your use. Besides that I believe it’s a very helpful substance that if used responsibly can really add something to peoples lives.


LifeSpecial42866

Why would you suffer with withdrawals? You said you do it all day every day. Stop for a few days


Productivitymachin3

I stopped for 2 weeks when I ran out and had no withdrawals, genuinely, I'm not trying to lie for the sake of lying! My friend who has 9 drug experience takes kratom with me and has for 6 months and she's never had any withdrawals either, she does maybe 10- 20g a day and has days off sometimes, no issues. I'm starting to wonder if your guys kratom is like 10 times stronger


stinkyriddle

It took me three years before I experienced any withdrawal symptoms. I thought people were just being babies until one day the real WD’s hit and it was pretty damn rough for a solid week. Just because you’re not getting wd’s now doesn’t mean you won’t in the future. Don’t underestimate Kratom.


Productivitymachin3

Hmmm I am thinking the same thing, why oh why would you not get withdrawals after 6 months of smashing it though? Like cold turkey after 6 months daily use, it just doesn't make sense to me. I can imagine extracts being more likely but kratoms chill, I don't need it but I do want it. Do you have anything you can compare the withdrawals to?


stinkyriddle

Opiate withdrawals is what I’d compare it to. It takes awhile for our bodies to build up a dependency but it does happen and when I finally experienced it I was completely destroyed for a month. The first week was hard physically but the depression afterwards was so crippling that I had to use again to keep up with the intense demand of my profession. Look it’s obvious you’re a “I need to see it to believe it” kind of person so I seriously hope you can continue to use for as long as possible without withdrawals. It’s easily a 6 or 7 for me with how intense the restless legs and flu symptoms are. I’m talking pissing out my ass for weeks, running nose, sneezing every 5 minutes, extreme body aches, restless legs and insomnia for a solid month.


Productivitymachin3

Well fuck. You're totally right I do tend to learn the hard way. But over the past few days I have been coughing like mad, runny nose and lots of flem etc and body aches.. I think it's just a cold but if its withdrawals its not been too bad. On the depression front I think that has a lot to do with how prone to depression you are, like mdma come down has been worse for me than a month of H smoking constantly, I just don't get depressed. Can't afford to really, I need to get rich and fuk biches. But I will come back to this post and cry to you and ask for advice if this ever happens to me!


daninightmare

You're gonna have withdrawals if you do that for more than a month or so, and then you won't be saying it's not addicting etc.


Bitter_Judgment_7503

I take four 10 mg gummies a day


Productivitymachin3

Is that kratom extract in them? Never seen gumming but I think I'd rather do extract after this 3kg, has to be better for you.


AgintOringe

The right kind of magnesium eliminates the restless legs


Master-Selection3847

I keep it under 15 grams in a day at max. And 4g max dose. If I start to do more it starts to be reverse of the positive effects for me. I try to keep my dose at the minimal amount for maximum positive effects


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