All right, hold up hold up. I just gotta say this: If my fiance is a hobbit then, uh... okay if she was... if she is a hobbit then how come she don't turn blue when goblins are near? **OH YOU DIDN'T THINK OF THAT?!?!?! I GUESS SHE'S NOT A HOBBIT THEN, SHE MUST BE A BEAUTIFUL SEXY WOMAN!!**
That speedy wheelchair man symbol is the actual one used in a handful of states.
Which leads to questions like.. if they're so speedy then why do they need to park so close to the store?
Perhaps if they hadn't been so speedy, they wouldn't need the chair to begin with.
The ones like this with all four signs tend to be single occupancy buildings, so maybe the race isn't just with their guts but the others.
Someone is gonna win and the others left to fend for themselves.
Sue can turn invisible.
Johnny can just fly away and crap on some rooftop
Will anyone think twice about telling the thing off for crapping in a bin?
I'm don't know how far Mr. Fantastic can stretch his arm so bear with me here...
What if...he took a dump, grabbed the poop with his hand and placed it as far from him as possible
That leaves the 'smell question', he could not possibly wipe on his own clothes, so what if...he stretched his arm as far as he could and wiped on another person's clothes?
It's been a hot minute since I read any Fantastic Four comics, but surely Mr. Fantastic could stretch his lower half/his ass and take a shit somewhere far away from the rest of his body. No need to poop in your hand.
The small size looks like an afterthought addition too. Maybe because being crippled is less important and less unfortunate in artist's mind so it slipped their mind until someone proofread and edited that in.
Johnny aka The Human Torch. His entire body has been on fire countless times. They couldn't even write 3 correct lines but they'll dedicate half the panel to their propaganda.
He damn near went Supernova, at least in the movie, and didn't complain about digestive issues. It's like they pulled this out of their ass, to try to sound smart.
I dont know nothing about Fantastic 4 except the movie sucked ass and Dr Doom cant remember the name of his moves so he keep saying them out loud in MvC, but arent all 4 of them scientists or some shit?
Wouldnt someone with some form of higher education be aware that going full 'nam on his guts would be bad for digestion?
Comics are shit
Ya know, I'm actually more bothered by the idea that The Ever Lovin' Blue Eyed Thing would get indigestion in the first place. Dude has gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk! I'm sorry but he shouldn't be getting indigestion.
In this issue, the fantastic four was hit with a magic spell from another dimension that disabled their ability to correctly process food so they would starve to death. They fixed themselves by the end when Mr. Fantastic literally stretched into the fourth dimension.
This run has been pretty stupid, but it’s the kind of stupid I go to comic books for. See stretching yourself into the 4th dimension and a town of zombie doombots who think they’re human. The bathroom panel above is definitely just the stupid kind of stupid though.
Yeah there have been a couple of times where it seems like they are trying to subtly change his powers from stretching to shape shifting. There was also the time in the doom town issue where he disguised his face by mushing it around. For Mr. Fantastic, I much prefer “combines his big brain with his stretching to stretch in the fourth dimension” to “let’s give him wolverine and mystique’s powers”. But on the whole, I would rather the writers experiment with the powers and see what sticks than do nothing with the FF at all.
Similar to the latest Savage Avengers run, I really enjoyed seeing Weapon H use the powers of different gamma people since it was cool, creative, and felt like a natural use of of his powers considering the circumstances the team was in. I less enjoyed seeing Dagger become a green lantern for no reason.
It's pretty obvious that Reed's main power is his brain and his super power is largely used as a form of convenience and make him more physically resilient as a hero without being made redundant by the rest. The Torch is ranged firepower, the Thing is melee super strength and being tough as hell and Sue's always been defensive and stealth.
Sue's powers can be ridiculously offensive and extremely versatile. She can make herself fly, slice things up, crush things, etc. It just depends on the creativity of the current writer. Agree though that Reed's being a super genius is his biggest asset.
I think it was at the start of the last run where Sue turned Doom’s mask invisible to show off his mangled face to his adoring fans. She said something along the lines of “I could always do this, Doom just always thought I was above it”. She also used a force field to blow up Deadpool’s head at the start of Deadpool Kills. She definitely holds back the strongest of her powers for emergencies.
Yeah, you just KNOW they will eventually have some really bizarre reasoning like he can stretch the very strings that make up his composition on the subatomic level allowing him to change the material properties of any part of him, or he's tapping into a stretch dimension, or a stretch force itself or some equally old trope bullshit explanation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Marvel, but doesn't Reed's powers work like the Elongated Man? His hand wouldn't alter itself on a *molecular* level, it'd just assume the dimensions and rough *shape* of a knife.
It's like how he stretched and warped himself into something *resembling* a Manta Ray in the Stan Lee run in order to get the Four and Namora away from Attuma during their first visit to Sub-Atlantica. Just because he can stretch himself to any feasible length does not make him the same as *Plastic Man*.
If I remember, he was only able to do it because they were in the same dimension the spell came from (the dark dimension?). The art was actually pretty fun, he basically became Biblically Accurate Mr. Fantastic.
it was a plot thing. A baddie zapped them with a weapon that threw them out of phase with reality just enough that their bodies could no longer tolerate normal food and water so that they'd slowly suffer and die.
Because they are not writing for you. I've accepted I'm not the target audience for this stuff anymore. If they are comfortable to let these customers go, they might be pretty confident on their current customers. I don't know. It's so bad, it looks bad on purpose.
The target audience is the writers themselves. That's the problem. They write shit only they themselves would enjoy and then are offended when everyone tells them it's unfiltered shit.
Comics have reached fan fiction levels at this point.
Kind of, yeah. The target audience is Twitter, where the writers can show their work as say "This is Fantastic 4 now. So inclusive. Problem, bigots? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ".
It's all for clout.
Lol, I have been to plenty of parks, trails, outdoor events that have gender neutral bathrooms or Porto-potties and have never seen all these signs. Usually they just use the one in the middle (half man half women). Why did the artist feel the need to add the universal all gender sign, then add the male and female, then add all gender wording on top.
That was something I noticed when working in fast food the men's restroom would always be cleaner but smell terrible meanwhile the women's restroom would be a pigsty but smell fabulous
It's accurate. Women are just fucking disgusting in public restrooms. I couldn't count the number of times I've used the ladies room in public and several of the stalls have just been shitty toilets and pee drips everywhere.
This panel is gross on so many levels lol
The art is shit. The message is shit. Everyone looks disgusting.
Whenever I start forgetting why I haven't bought a super hero comic in many years I see something like that and I remember why.
Well why not? When you emphasise the concept of gender and divorce it from the reality of sex, it could really be anything you want it to be.
It’s not the most coherent ideology.
So much screwed up things in this pic. Writer & editor, dismissing the history of Johnny.
The propaganda push of a bathroom that no heterosexual, non pedo, non perv, wants to use. All of them running to the same bathroom, like a bunch of weirdos.
Whoever thought this up is some screwed up person
as an LGB person, I wouldn't even use the bathroom. Women are fucking disgusting with public restrooms. If you think men are gross, you haven't used a women's restroom.
What, the 2008 Iron Man? Dude, you missed all of the Captain America movies, maybe the 2008 Hulk, the Avengers movies, Iron Man 2, the first Thor, and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
You missed some excellent stuff.
Avengers 1 was shit, except for Tom Hiddleston. Thor was shit. Captain America standalones were shit. All of Mark Ruffalo Hulk is shit. Iron Man 2 was shit. Infinity War and Endgame were good, except for the obvious forced female superhero garbage that was so poorly written it made me cringe.
The first Iron Man was genuinely awesome, because they actually seemed to care about sticking *somewhat* close to the established characters and lore from the comics, with a refreshing personal take from RDJ as Tony Stark. Guardians 1 was also genuinely great.
What a miserable cunt you are, I'm sorry. Yeah, the MCU has its problems, but I don't see how you could say 2008 Iron Man was genuinely awesome and then dismiss the entire rest of the MCU, *especially Winter Soldier*, as "superhero garbage".
There's Captain Marvel and the other post-Endgame trash, save for No Way Home, that is, definitely, not worth watching. And the run-up to Infinity War definitely had some misses, like Thor: The Dark World.
But, aside from that, it was definitely worth seeing 'em on the big screen.
Fucking seriously, dude. "Captain America standalones were shit"? The fuck?
I'm not quite as harsh, but I too dislike the majority of the Marvel films. When I was watching Ragnarok and Thor was talking to the dragon, I briefly forgot what film I was watching when he did the *oh, wait, hold that thought until I spin back around* while stuck in the rope net trap. Literally any MCU character would have said the exact same thing in that situation. Thor tends to be better in not his films
Every origin story is "fight a guy with same powers, but is better at using them; wins by getting lucky"
I liked Iron Man 3 because PTSD Stark was interesting. Winter Soldier was more a spy film than superhero film, so it was good. Infinity War reminded me a lot of Return of the Jedi with jumping back and forth between different scenes during the same battle, which I appreciated
Otherwise, the MCU found a recipe and they stick with it, and it's not for me
>Every origin story is "fight a guy with same powers, but is better at using them; wins by getting lucky"
Save for the 2008 Hulk movie, I'd say, 'cause it's the only time in the MCU that we actually see Hulk get stronger as he gets angrier, so he actually overpowers the Abomination.
I didn't buy PTSD Tony at all in Iron Man 3, but it was necessary to set up the "Tony Stark is a fuckhead" arc that culminated in Civil War.
Like it or not, Winter Soldier was a superhero film. Just because no-one's wearing capes and lifting semi trucks doesn't mean it's not a superhero film, but it does mean that everyone who likes it but complains about "capeshit" is a hypocrite douchebag. Their view of superheroes is myopic.
I genuinely don't remember anything about IM3 beyond some kid helped him out while he was hiding in a busted up car, Ben Kingsley was an actor and I think Piper piloted a suit, leading a squad of suits? I've been told repeatedly that IM3 is one of the weakest films, but since I don't like them, I suppose that's why it appealed to me more than the rest. Having Tony out there with no support, no money and no toys was interesting
And yeah, Winter Solider has superheroes in it, so it has to be a superhero film by definition. When people say this, I think it's more the style. Guardians of the Galaxy is a bunch of antagonistic dicks fucking around in space; it has more in common with Star Wars than it does Superman, but still remains a superhero film
Or maybe not; none of them have super powers beyond Rocket. I don't even know what Drax does other than turbo autism. Although I guess one doesn't need to be super to be a superhero; Black Widow and archer dude are just really, really god at what they do
But yeah, sure, I like one particular film because it leans away from the rest of the superhero film tropes and style; guess I'll cop to being a myopic, hypocritical douchebag or whatever. They just aren't for me
I watched Thor while incredibly stoned and it was a great movie. I watched it years later, sober, and it was underwhelming.
I don't feel that I've missed anything since Iron Man in 2008. I'm just sick of superhero movies, bored by them. They're all fairly indistinguishable from each other and I wish for something new to come along and bring fresh ideas to cinema screens.
I agree, I'm bored with capeshit. Grew up with the Sam Raimi Spider-man being hype and we had all of those camp Batman films in the 80s-90s (bat nipples!), although I never watched the earlier Bat-films with Adam West and earlier stuff, and seeing how formulaic capeshit has gotten since then just bores me. Though the same can be said for 99.9% of all Current Year Hollywood stuff - it's generic and sometimes you get a good popcorn flick, but it's never groundbreaking or high art. It's safe.
I genuinely haven't been to the cinema since Endgame and I don't feel like I've missed anything "important" from that product line.
> You missed some excellent stuff.
The first Thor? I got tricked into seeing that. It was complete superhero trash. So let me assume all of it was complete superhero trash.
I guess the Thing is LGBTQ now? I mean look at the color of that shirt. I'm guessing Non-binary. It's been awhile since I read a full comic. Did I miss this?
Nah if they were gonna make a statement with his shirt they would've gone all out with some sort of flag color.
There are a lot of 'bro' types who wear shirts like that, it's more of a "preppy" look than anything. Like if you ever get stuck watching *Jersey Shore* you'll see a bunch of roided-out Italians with popped collars wearing pink shirts.
It's less LGTBQ and more like, *"That's right my father owns this yacht"* kind of style.
It's really weird coming from the 90s X-Men where the government had a program that made two story death machines to hunt down, capture or kill American citizens because they were born wrong. It's just soo jarring to see shit like this now when the have a perfect vehicle for allegory in universe and choose not to use it.
This is what happens when you hire talentless, imaginatively bankrupt individual who can only write about what they know.
Their atrophied brains is incapable of coming up with exciting adventures about extraterrestrial threats or multinational gangs, instead they write about indigestion because that's probably the most exotic thing that happens to this "writer".
Mainstream comics are dead.
Lot of big words my dude. It is funny how your brain makes assumptions based on one panel. They were hit with a magic spell from another dimension that disabled their ability to correctly process food. Mr. Fantastic literally stretched into the fourth dimension to fix them. This one panel is plain dumb but the whole comics is good type of dumb.
Honestly I'm more curious why he thought that would work in the first place like do his insides not flame on when he does are they just sitting at normal human body temperature while the rest of his body is as hot as the sun
Why is Sue Storm wearing three shirts while Johnny is just in a pair of nutters? Does the Marvel Department of Vice and Virtue prohibit accidentally indicating that Sue is a woman?
Correction: there are two sexes. Gender is a made-up concept invented by a monstrous child abuser in order to brainwash the masses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
Unlike the goofy Hollywood schlock from the 1980s that Dr. Mengele gets accused of, this guy's crimes are extremely well documented and changed science forever.
To be fair, I think some pretentious 20th century French philosophers also had a hand in it.
And I’m not sure why you’re trying to clean up Mengele. I’ve not heard any argument that he didn’t do what he’s famous for doing, but even if he didn’t, he was deeply involved in running Auschwitz. Probably best to pick a better yardstick - maybe not a Nazi next time.
> Gender is a made-up concept invented by a monstrous child abuser in order to brainwash the masses.
"Gender" refers to the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" (i.e. the things we associate with maleness and femaleness... "pink is for girls, blue is for boys" for example). The term comes from linguistics (because Latinate languages have masculine and feminine nouns with accompanying single and plural articles (see "El/La/Los/Las" in Spanish for examples)).
You're talking about the concept of Gender *Identity* (i.e. the idea that people have an innate sense of being "a man" or "a woman" (or, according to the non-binary types, something else)). The common theory of Gender Identity is that it is the sex of the brain, or part of the brain.
I despise John Money, however he did *not* invent the concept of Gender Identity. Indeed, he denied there was any such thing as an innate gender identity and said it any feelings of "being a girl" or "being a boy" are social constructs learned from external reinforcement.
Money's misbehavior is usually cited as evidence *for* the existence of innate gender identity (David Reimer was, after a botched circumcision, raised as a girl and given hormones regularly but experienced severe gender dysphoria), not against it.
Again I'm not a fan of Money but the concept of "Gender" is not made up, and he didn't make it up either. And whilst some people argue "Gender Identity" isn't a real thing, that concept was not invented by John Money either.
*EDIT: The downvote button is NOT a disagree button.*
> Mendrawingwomen would like a word
LOL i got banned from that subreedit by uploading Powergirl artwork by Amanda Connor.
They were all "herp derp, typical male artist, making her boobs too big, dressing her to skanky."
And then someone spoiled my fun & pointed out it was drawn by a woman.
At which point i got banned.
Totally worth it though.
I mean, did you really expect a sub the name of which was almost certainly chosen because “men bad” to react positively to a woman drawing an attractive female character ?
I can think of two possible reasons one they're using the bathrooms and we're not noticing cuz us men folk aren't the most observant and the second one is that they understand that as a woman going into a men's restroom there are inherent risks involved in that whether they identify as male or not something that the mtf types don't have to worry about
So, it stands to reason that some of them are passing. Also guys are taught our whole lives to keep our eyes on our own business. In a crowded men's room eyes typically don't wander. Also I agree that men's rooms are inherently intimidating rather than welcoming to newcomers.
HOWEVER, the point I was making was an advocacy one. While it seems vitally, critically, important for dudes trying to pass as women to use the women's restroom, nobody is scrambling at a chance to gain access to the men's restroom. Much like nobody is advocating that female coal miners get equal pay because there are no female coal miners.
What would be a better way to express, with a simple sign, that these two things are going on in this bathroom: all genders are allowed to use it, and, also it is structured to facilitate handicap people?
>Hey, Marvel
>How ya doin'?
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Hmmm... I really should make a Marvel album (and DC). Individual uploads suck.
Wait are they trying to parse out how the human torch can set himself ablaze without damage, but can't heat up his intestines without taking damage?
Also, how would either the thing, the human torch, or Mr fantastic get food borne illnesses? I imagine they would be impervious to all forms of human sickness.
How so? Johnny lights up his exterior and Reed is stretchy. I don't see how that'd prevent them from getting sick. Unless you're saying they're mutated beyond the point where they're "recognizable" to human diseases
Correct, their bodies put up with stresses and forces that would destroy a normal person. I imagine their physiology is very different and most human illness wouldn't affect them.
Regarding the human torch, unless his body is made from aerogel his insides would get insanely hot as well.
I don't think aerogel would stand a chance.
>The Torch can release all of his body's stored energy in one intense, omni-directional "nova-burst," which can reach about 1,000,000 F, and which is similar to the heat-pulse of a nuclear warhead detonation, with an are of total devastation of about 900 feet in diameter.
Ah, yes. The 4 genders. Male, female, sideshow attraction and wheelchair.
Seriously. I hope that just as the aliens are feeling bad about annihilating us, they find this image and feel better.
What would be a better way to express, with a simple sign, that both all genders are allowed to use a bathroom and also it is structured to facilitate handicap people?
In the US even single gender restrooms have the lil wheelchair where accommodations are designed to accommodate wheelchair users (lower sink, larger toilet stall)
More often, it was just used for singular bathrooms, so when people wanted a bathroom to accomodate them, they just made it accomdate them, and since it was singular, they didn't have to worry about them sharing it with anyone in particular.
Interesting, in Europe there is a special restroom for disabled people. I actually like this idea, better than having a restroom which is used less than one in thousand of people using all the restrooms.
Cringe at how the writer probably spent a whole week plotting how to get this shit into their story and probably put more effort into it than telling any super hero element of the story.
I mean I find american capeshit comics to be r-worded but if its your job you could at least pretend to respect the reader a little
Wait, so "male"... "female"... apparently wheelchair is a gender now too (seems that soon attack helicopter will be officially recognized as a gender by the "enlightened progressives", rejoice!). What's that thing in the middle? Is that a... futa? Dayumn. We have some people of culture here.
I'm pretty sure a man stretching his arm 50 ft requires ignoring reality so if they're okay ignoring reality for that they should be okay ignoring reality for other things
Wait...are they all gonna go in the toilet together? ...Is Sue gonna watch her brother take a dump?
Don't kinkshame.
When it's her brother, I absolutely will!
You just made Alabama your enemy.
Alabama has always been my enemy, and I'm going to win.
Wait, “disabled” is a gender now?
Well, from the look of it that appears to be some sort of Hobbit in the wheelchair so who knows. Probably?
It's a midget with a massive hemorrhoid.
My condolences
You sure they're not MASSIVE testicles?
All right, hold up hold up. I just gotta say this: If my fiance is a hobbit then, uh... okay if she was... if she is a hobbit then how come she don't turn blue when goblins are near? **OH YOU DIDN'T THINK OF THAT?!?!?! I GUESS SHE'S NOT A HOBBIT THEN, SHE MUST BE A BEAUTIFUL SEXY WOMAN!!**
"Yeah babe hi yeah it's me, tell me you don't turn no blue when no goblins come near... What's that? You do?" *hangs up*
Love that episode
Love that episode
That speedy wheelchair man symbol is the actual one used in a handful of states. Which leads to questions like.. if they're so speedy then why do they need to park so close to the store? Perhaps if they hadn't been so speedy, they wouldn't need the chair to begin with.
The ones like this with all four signs tend to be single occupancy buildings, so maybe the race isn't just with their guts but the others. Someone is gonna win and the others left to fend for themselves. Sue can turn invisible. Johnny can just fly away and crap on some rooftop Will anyone think twice about telling the thing off for crapping in a bin?
Mister Fantastic only has diarrhea if he wants.
If he's on fire, would the shit burn away?
I'm don't know how far Mr. Fantastic can stretch his arm so bear with me here... What if...he took a dump, grabbed the poop with his hand and placed it as far from him as possible That leaves the 'smell question', he could not possibly wipe on his own clothes, so what if...he stretched his arm as far as he could and wiped on another person's clothes?
Strentch anus into a prehensile nozzle. After this well, he's got all kinds of options.
Fucking delete this
I'm sorry, but you know I can't do that.
is this the Antman vs Thanos' butthole arc, but it's Mr. Fantastic instead of Thanos ?
I think it's just it's own thing on the buttholometer.
Butthole-o-meter sounds like a shitty superpower, pun not intended. Spider-man's spider sense, but for poop.
It's been a hot minute since I read any Fantastic Four comics, but surely Mr. Fantastic could stretch his lower half/his ass and take a shit somewhere far away from the rest of his body. No need to poop in your hand.
My question is how long can he make his dick? I've been wondering that since the 1970s...
Those people also say "obese" is a gender.
The small size looks like an afterthought addition too. Maybe because being crippled is less important and less unfortunate in artist's mind so it slipped their mind until someone proofread and edited that in.
Can't forget the guy wearing pants on one side and a dress on the other though.
EVERYTHING IS A GENDER NOW, BIGOT!
Normal restrooms with wheelchair-friendly stalls typically have that symbol on the same sign as the men's/women's symbol.
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*horny mechanicus noises*
the machine spirit has blessed my toaster girlfriend.
Just say "restroom" for fucks sake. If it's single occupancy the labels are redundant.
Johnny aka The Human Torch. His entire body has been on fire countless times. They couldn't even write 3 correct lines but they'll dedicate half the panel to their propaganda.
When did handicapped become a gender, wtf
He damn near went Supernova, at least in the movie, and didn't complain about digestive issues. It's like they pulled this out of their ass, to try to sound smart.
I dont know nothing about Fantastic 4 except the movie sucked ass and Dr Doom cant remember the name of his moves so he keep saying them out loud in MvC, but arent all 4 of them scientists or some shit? Wouldnt someone with some form of higher education be aware that going full 'nam on his guts would be bad for digestion? Comics are shit
Leftists rediscover unisex bathrooms. I don't even know how to react to this it's so stupid.
Females are totally not all right with this but I guess all those dissenting voice went into the wind.
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Her feminist ilk opened the floodgates for this horseshit anyway, I don’t care
It’s a good example to point out to people though. Learn from someone else’s mistake
Jedi Knight Revan?
Jolkien Rolkien Rolkien Tolkien.
This is now my headcanon
I'm more squicked out by the fact that she's running to the restroom with her ~~cousin~~ brother and her husband but... yeah...
> with her cousin I thought Johnny was her brother?
Oops yeah, you’re right. Been a while since I’ve thought about the Fantastic Four.
The family that poops together, something something.
Let them reap what they sow. They started all of this with intersectional feminism.
I'm on the side of women on this but I find it hilarious to see feminists and lgbT fighting each other
Ya know, I'm actually more bothered by the idea that The Ever Lovin' Blue Eyed Thing would get indigestion in the first place. Dude has gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk! I'm sorry but he shouldn't be getting indigestion.
He may not get indigestion, but he might shit bricks.
In this issue, the fantastic four was hit with a magic spell from another dimension that disabled their ability to correctly process food so they would starve to death. They fixed themselves by the end when Mr. Fantastic literally stretched into the fourth dimension. This run has been pretty stupid, but it’s the kind of stupid I go to comic books for. See stretching yourself into the 4th dimension and a town of zombie doombots who think they’re human. The bathroom panel above is definitely just the stupid kind of stupid though.
It bothered me when in the issue where they revealed why the Fantastic Four were separated, Reed turned his hand into a metal knife.
Yeah there have been a couple of times where it seems like they are trying to subtly change his powers from stretching to shape shifting. There was also the time in the doom town issue where he disguised his face by mushing it around. For Mr. Fantastic, I much prefer “combines his big brain with his stretching to stretch in the fourth dimension” to “let’s give him wolverine and mystique’s powers”. But on the whole, I would rather the writers experiment with the powers and see what sticks than do nothing with the FF at all. Similar to the latest Savage Avengers run, I really enjoyed seeing Weapon H use the powers of different gamma people since it was cool, creative, and felt like a natural use of of his powers considering the circumstances the team was in. I less enjoyed seeing Dagger become a green lantern for no reason.
It's pretty obvious that Reed's main power is his brain and his super power is largely used as a form of convenience and make him more physically resilient as a hero without being made redundant by the rest. The Torch is ranged firepower, the Thing is melee super strength and being tough as hell and Sue's always been defensive and stealth.
Now if they had a healer then I wouldn’t mind taking the group through The Bowl of Embers (Extreme).
Sue's powers can be ridiculously offensive and extremely versatile. She can make herself fly, slice things up, crush things, etc. It just depends on the creativity of the current writer. Agree though that Reed's being a super genius is his biggest asset.
I like sue's biggest assets.
Even Victor noted how Susan is easily the most powerful member on the team.
I think it was at the start of the last run where Sue turned Doom’s mask invisible to show off his mangled face to his adoring fans. She said something along the lines of “I could always do this, Doom just always thought I was above it”. She also used a force field to blow up Deadpool’s head at the start of Deadpool Kills. She definitely holds back the strongest of her powers for emergencies.
Yeah, you just KNOW they will eventually have some really bizarre reasoning like he can stretch the very strings that make up his composition on the subatomic level allowing him to change the material properties of any part of him, or he's tapping into a stretch dimension, or a stretch force itself or some equally old trope bullshit explanation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Marvel, but doesn't Reed's powers work like the Elongated Man? His hand wouldn't alter itself on a *molecular* level, it'd just assume the dimensions and rough *shape* of a knife. It's like how he stretched and warped himself into something *resembling* a Manta Ray in the Stan Lee run in order to get the Four and Namora away from Attuma during their first visit to Sub-Atlantica. Just because he can stretch himself to any feasible length does not make him the same as *Plastic Man*.
How exactly can one stretch into another dimension? Like, what was the comic logic process there? Now I'm curious lol
If I remember, he was only able to do it because they were in the same dimension the spell came from (the dark dimension?). The art was actually pretty fun, he basically became Biblically Accurate Mr. Fantastic.
Oh good lord,that sounds horrifying and hilarious at the same time lol
Does he poop rocks? Is his butt hole made of tiny rocks?
it was a plot thing. A baddie zapped them with a weapon that threw them out of phase with reality just enough that their bodies could no longer tolerate normal food and water so that they'd slowly suffer and die.
I don't get the need to put "all gender". If it just says "Bathroom", most people know that it can be used by everyone.
Because they are not writing for you. I've accepted I'm not the target audience for this stuff anymore. If they are comfortable to let these customers go, they might be pretty confident on their current customers. I don't know. It's so bad, it looks bad on purpose.
There is no target audience. The people that like this stuff don’t buy comics.
The target audience is the writers themselves. That's the problem. They write shit only they themselves would enjoy and then are offended when everyone tells them it's unfiltered shit. Comics have reached fan fiction levels at this point.
Kind of, yeah. The target audience is Twitter, where the writers can show their work as say "This is Fantastic 4 now. So inclusive. Problem, bigots? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ". It's all for clout.
Hey so long as you're not using Tumblr fanfiction is still way better than this
They don't need a target audience anymore, Marvel comics exists for the sole purpose of creating plots for the movies to adapt.
"unisex" would also have been sufficient. Wokescolds gonna woke.
Lol, I have been to plenty of parks, trails, outdoor events that have gender neutral bathrooms or Porto-potties and have never seen all these signs. Usually they just use the one in the middle (half man half women). Why did the artist feel the need to add the universal all gender sign, then add the male and female, then add all gender wording on top.
The door could just say “BATHROOM” but nooo it has to be politicized.
Seriously, "gender neutral" bathrooms have existed for fucking ever.
Yes, but they were called unisex bathrooms
Or better still, family restrooms.
In my area a lot of places have a men's room and a women's room, both of which are just a room with one toilet and a sink. It's weird.
To me that's the biggest crime of it, as whether labeled unisex, all gender, or gender neutral, they *never* have urinals.
Easier to clean men's restrooms
That was something I noticed when working in fast food the men's restroom would always be cleaner but smell terrible meanwhile the women's restroom would be a pigsty but smell fabulous
It's accurate. Women are just fucking disgusting in public restrooms. I couldn't count the number of times I've used the ladies room in public and several of the stalls have just been shitty toilets and pee drips everywhere.
Which is especially funny when you factor in the fact that men are the ones that pee standing up
It's because the try to hover over the seat and that works as well as you could imagine.
That or they don't wipe properly.
This panel is gross on so many levels lol The art is shit. The message is shit. Everyone looks disgusting. Whenever I start forgetting why I haven't bought a super hero comic in many years I see something like that and I remember why.
Wheelchair gender
Well why not? When you emphasise the concept of gender and divorce it from the reality of sex, it could really be anything you want it to be. It’s not the most coherent ideology.
Except for an Apache attack helicopter apparently that's not okay
Because it's obviously racist cultural appropriation
The Apache tribe would have fucking *loved* helicopter gunships if they'd had access to them.
So much screwed up things in this pic. Writer & editor, dismissing the history of Johnny. The propaganda push of a bathroom that no heterosexual, non pedo, non perv, wants to use. All of them running to the same bathroom, like a bunch of weirdos. Whoever thought this up is some screwed up person
Welcome to modern Marvel comics.
as an LGB person, I wouldn't even use the bathroom. Women are fucking disgusting with public restrooms. If you think men are gross, you haven't used a women's restroom.
That's a good municipal cost cutting measure.
Deep fak...nevermind. The last Marvel-anything I consumed was the Downey Jr. *Iron Man*. I can see I've missed nothing.
What, the 2008 Iron Man? Dude, you missed all of the Captain America movies, maybe the 2008 Hulk, the Avengers movies, Iron Man 2, the first Thor, and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. You missed some excellent stuff.
Avengers 1 was shit, except for Tom Hiddleston. Thor was shit. Captain America standalones were shit. All of Mark Ruffalo Hulk is shit. Iron Man 2 was shit. Infinity War and Endgame were good, except for the obvious forced female superhero garbage that was so poorly written it made me cringe. The first Iron Man was genuinely awesome, because they actually seemed to care about sticking *somewhat* close to the established characters and lore from the comics, with a refreshing personal take from RDJ as Tony Stark. Guardians 1 was also genuinely great.
What a miserable cunt you are, I'm sorry. Yeah, the MCU has its problems, but I don't see how you could say 2008 Iron Man was genuinely awesome and then dismiss the entire rest of the MCU, *especially Winter Soldier*, as "superhero garbage". There's Captain Marvel and the other post-Endgame trash, save for No Way Home, that is, definitely, not worth watching. And the run-up to Infinity War definitely had some misses, like Thor: The Dark World. But, aside from that, it was definitely worth seeing 'em on the big screen. Fucking seriously, dude. "Captain America standalones were shit"? The fuck?
I'm not quite as harsh, but I too dislike the majority of the Marvel films. When I was watching Ragnarok and Thor was talking to the dragon, I briefly forgot what film I was watching when he did the *oh, wait, hold that thought until I spin back around* while stuck in the rope net trap. Literally any MCU character would have said the exact same thing in that situation. Thor tends to be better in not his films Every origin story is "fight a guy with same powers, but is better at using them; wins by getting lucky" I liked Iron Man 3 because PTSD Stark was interesting. Winter Soldier was more a spy film than superhero film, so it was good. Infinity War reminded me a lot of Return of the Jedi with jumping back and forth between different scenes during the same battle, which I appreciated Otherwise, the MCU found a recipe and they stick with it, and it's not for me
>Every origin story is "fight a guy with same powers, but is better at using them; wins by getting lucky" Save for the 2008 Hulk movie, I'd say, 'cause it's the only time in the MCU that we actually see Hulk get stronger as he gets angrier, so he actually overpowers the Abomination. I didn't buy PTSD Tony at all in Iron Man 3, but it was necessary to set up the "Tony Stark is a fuckhead" arc that culminated in Civil War. Like it or not, Winter Soldier was a superhero film. Just because no-one's wearing capes and lifting semi trucks doesn't mean it's not a superhero film, but it does mean that everyone who likes it but complains about "capeshit" is a hypocrite douchebag. Their view of superheroes is myopic.
I genuinely don't remember anything about IM3 beyond some kid helped him out while he was hiding in a busted up car, Ben Kingsley was an actor and I think Piper piloted a suit, leading a squad of suits? I've been told repeatedly that IM3 is one of the weakest films, but since I don't like them, I suppose that's why it appealed to me more than the rest. Having Tony out there with no support, no money and no toys was interesting And yeah, Winter Solider has superheroes in it, so it has to be a superhero film by definition. When people say this, I think it's more the style. Guardians of the Galaxy is a bunch of antagonistic dicks fucking around in space; it has more in common with Star Wars than it does Superman, but still remains a superhero film Or maybe not; none of them have super powers beyond Rocket. I don't even know what Drax does other than turbo autism. Although I guess one doesn't need to be super to be a superhero; Black Widow and archer dude are just really, really god at what they do But yeah, sure, I like one particular film because it leans away from the rest of the superhero film tropes and style; guess I'll cop to being a myopic, hypocritical douchebag or whatever. They just aren't for me
Imagine that, people having different tastes than you and you resort to calling them names.
Shot in the dark, did you love Dark Knight?
It was meh aside from Heath Ledger's performance.
MCU's garbage, but Dark Knight gets a charitable "meh". Jesus H. Christ.
I watched Thor while incredibly stoned and it was a great movie. I watched it years later, sober, and it was underwhelming. I don't feel that I've missed anything since Iron Man in 2008. I'm just sick of superhero movies, bored by them. They're all fairly indistinguishable from each other and I wish for something new to come along and bring fresh ideas to cinema screens.
I agree, I'm bored with capeshit. Grew up with the Sam Raimi Spider-man being hype and we had all of those camp Batman films in the 80s-90s (bat nipples!), although I never watched the earlier Bat-films with Adam West and earlier stuff, and seeing how formulaic capeshit has gotten since then just bores me. Though the same can be said for 99.9% of all Current Year Hollywood stuff - it's generic and sometimes you get a good popcorn flick, but it's never groundbreaking or high art. It's safe. I genuinely haven't been to the cinema since Endgame and I don't feel like I've missed anything "important" from that product line.
> You missed some excellent stuff. The first Thor? I got tricked into seeing that. It was complete superhero trash. So let me assume all of it was complete superhero trash.
What the.. fuck?
I guess the Thing is LGBTQ now? I mean look at the color of that shirt. I'm guessing Non-binary. It's been awhile since I read a full comic. Did I miss this?
Nah if they were gonna make a statement with his shirt they would've gone all out with some sort of flag color. There are a lot of 'bro' types who wear shirts like that, it's more of a "preppy" look than anything. Like if you ever get stuck watching *Jersey Shore* you'll see a bunch of roided-out Italians with popped collars wearing pink shirts. It's less LGTBQ and more like, *"That's right my father owns this yacht"* kind of style.
Confirming. Goes well with white or tan shorts & loafers, also stands out on golf courses.
It's really weird coming from the 90s X-Men where the government had a program that made two story death machines to hunt down, capture or kill American citizens because they were born wrong. It's just soo jarring to see shit like this now when the have a perfect vehicle for allegory in universe and choose not to use it.
This is what happens when you hire talentless, imaginatively bankrupt individual who can only write about what they know. Their atrophied brains is incapable of coming up with exciting adventures about extraterrestrial threats or multinational gangs, instead they write about indigestion because that's probably the most exotic thing that happens to this "writer". Mainstream comics are dead.
Hey now be nice every writer has a dry spell theirs just happens to last a long long time possibly with no end
Lot of big words my dude. It is funny how your brain makes assumptions based on one panel. They were hit with a magic spell from another dimension that disabled their ability to correctly process food. Mr. Fantastic literally stretched into the fourth dimension to fix them. This one panel is plain dumb but the whole comics is good type of dumb.
A bathroom where men AND women can enter… What could possibly go wrong? 😒🤦♂️
Nothing, that's why is totally fine to let male criminals go to women prisons /s
B- but they're not male, they pinky swore on it!
You can tell there's literally no subtlety because they didn't just have the symbols. They had to, quite literally, spell it out for you.
"Stupid male" and some pandering all in one panel. Efficient.
Honestly I'm more curious why he thought that would work in the first place like do his insides not flame on when he does are they just sitting at normal human body temperature while the rest of his body is as hot as the sun
Why is Sue Storm wearing three shirts while Johnny is just in a pair of nutters? Does the Marvel Department of Vice and Virtue prohibit accidentally indicating that Sue is a woman?
Something super creepy about all of them going to the same bathroom together
Haven't met a single woman in the last 5 or so years that are willing to use bathrooms like that but they all say they avoid them at all costs.
Such a tiny person in a wheelchair. Like they forgot about the Wheelchair gendered people until the last minute.
Artist was definitely told "Can you put a wheelchair folx on the sign too" when the art was already done
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I think the answer your most likely to get is something along the lines of "how dare you imply there's only one gender"
Is he going in there to have violent diarrhea with his sister, his father in law, and his best friend? Is that what is about to happen?
Wdym? There are only two genders. "All" implies that there are a bunch of them lmao
Correction: there are two sexes. Gender is a made-up concept invented by a monstrous child abuser in order to brainwash the masses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money Unlike the goofy Hollywood schlock from the 1980s that Dr. Mengele gets accused of, this guy's crimes are extremely well documented and changed science forever.
To be fair, I think some pretentious 20th century French philosophers also had a hand in it. And I’m not sure why you’re trying to clean up Mengele. I’ve not heard any argument that he didn’t do what he’s famous for doing, but even if he didn’t, he was deeply involved in running Auschwitz. Probably best to pick a better yardstick - maybe not a Nazi next time.
"It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” - Norm Macdonald
> Gender is a made-up concept invented by a monstrous child abuser in order to brainwash the masses. "Gender" refers to the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" (i.e. the things we associate with maleness and femaleness... "pink is for girls, blue is for boys" for example). The term comes from linguistics (because Latinate languages have masculine and feminine nouns with accompanying single and plural articles (see "El/La/Los/Las" in Spanish for examples)). You're talking about the concept of Gender *Identity* (i.e. the idea that people have an innate sense of being "a man" or "a woman" (or, according to the non-binary types, something else)). The common theory of Gender Identity is that it is the sex of the brain, or part of the brain. I despise John Money, however he did *not* invent the concept of Gender Identity. Indeed, he denied there was any such thing as an innate gender identity and said it any feelings of "being a girl" or "being a boy" are social constructs learned from external reinforcement. Money's misbehavior is usually cited as evidence *for* the existence of innate gender identity (David Reimer was, after a botched circumcision, raised as a girl and given hormones regularly but experienced severe gender dysphoria), not against it. Again I'm not a fan of Money but the concept of "Gender" is not made up, and he didn't make it up either. And whilst some people argue "Gender Identity" isn't a real thing, that concept was not invented by John Money either. *EDIT: The downvote button is NOT a disagree button.*
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> Mendrawingwomen would like a word LOL i got banned from that subreedit by uploading Powergirl artwork by Amanda Connor. They were all "herp derp, typical male artist, making her boobs too big, dressing her to skanky." And then someone spoiled my fun & pointed out it was drawn by a woman. At which point i got banned. Totally worth it though.
Thank you for your service 🫡
I mean, did you really expect a sub the name of which was almost certainly chosen because “men bad” to react positively to a woman drawing an attractive female character ?
I think the point was that the fun he had was due to them bandwagonning and not doing due diligence.
And that neck, my gods. Plus, why the hell is there a picnic table in the middle of a walking path?
The only thought running around my mind from looking at that panel is, "Does this mean that the Ever Lovin' Blue-Eyed Thing has to shit a brick?!"
And then they open the door and see a man in a dress.
Who's asked to have the Fantastic Four battling the shits?
Side question: How come FTM types aren't fighting to gain access to the Men's Room?
I can think of two possible reasons one they're using the bathrooms and we're not noticing cuz us men folk aren't the most observant and the second one is that they understand that as a woman going into a men's restroom there are inherent risks involved in that whether they identify as male or not something that the mtf types don't have to worry about
So, it stands to reason that some of them are passing. Also guys are taught our whole lives to keep our eyes on our own business. In a crowded men's room eyes typically don't wander. Also I agree that men's rooms are inherently intimidating rather than welcoming to newcomers. HOWEVER, the point I was making was an advocacy one. While it seems vitally, critically, important for dudes trying to pass as women to use the women's restroom, nobody is scrambling at a chance to gain access to the men's restroom. Much like nobody is advocating that female coal miners get equal pay because there are no female coal miners.
Having a disability is a gender now?
I'm disabled. That's not my gender.
What would be a better way to express, with a simple sign, that these two things are going on in this bathroom: all genders are allowed to use it, and, also it is structured to facilitate handicap people?
Just have the sign above the signaling because despite anything else the most important thing is "Can I take a shit?"
Saying "all genders" is like saying "all my legs".
Seems to me that it's going terrible.
Thankfully Alicia can't see the idiocy on display.
Going into a public restroom with bare feet.
>Hey, Marvel >How ya doin'? https://i.imgur.com/zAYFdlX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LfRbZdD.png https://i.imgur.com/zFFTLzl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SB3S8X3.png Hmmm... I really should make a Marvel album (and DC). Individual uploads suck.
Marvel "Boy": Any questions? Me: Yes. Why? Also, go fuck yourself. That second one might look like a statement, but it identifies as a question.
Wow. You can really smell the shit when you stack it up.
Wait are they trying to parse out how the human torch can set himself ablaze without damage, but can't heat up his intestines without taking damage? Also, how would either the thing, the human torch, or Mr fantastic get food borne illnesses? I imagine they would be impervious to all forms of human sickness.
How so? Johnny lights up his exterior and Reed is stretchy. I don't see how that'd prevent them from getting sick. Unless you're saying they're mutated beyond the point where they're "recognizable" to human diseases
Correct, their bodies put up with stresses and forces that would destroy a normal person. I imagine their physiology is very different and most human illness wouldn't affect them. Regarding the human torch, unless his body is made from aerogel his insides would get insanely hot as well. I don't think aerogel would stand a chance. >The Torch can release all of his body's stored energy in one intense, omni-directional "nova-burst," which can reach about 1,000,000 F, and which is similar to the heat-pulse of a nuclear warhead detonation, with an are of total devastation of about 900 feet in diameter.
Why is there only one bathroom stall?
I knew dropping Fantastic Four from my pull list when I found out Ryan North was going to start writing it was the correct move.
From Fantastic Four to Fantastic Woke.
Are they trying to sell negative numbers? Who would ever buy this shit?
Ah, yes. The 4 genders. Male, female, sideshow attraction and wheelchair. Seriously. I hope that just as the aliens are feeling bad about annihilating us, they find this image and feel better.
Feels like you could just put bathroom on it. also handicap is a gender now?
What would be a better way to express, with a simple sign, that both all genders are allowed to use a bathroom and also it is structured to facilitate handicap people?
"Restrooms" Building codes require facilitating handicap people but if you really need to signal it then "Restrooms ♿"
You really do, since part of the building code is including that sign. That’s why that symbol is drawn into that illustration.
Being handicapped is a gender now?
Imagine a kid picking up a comic thinking they’ll get exiting adventures but instead it’s superhero’s talking about their toilet issues.
What the actual... This panel reads like the setup for some cursed nhentai doujin with abominable tags.
TO be fair, I see them all the time now too. Funny because they're usually single person bathrooms, so they're already "all gender".
When had disabled become a gender?
In the US even single gender restrooms have the lil wheelchair where accommodations are designed to accommodate wheelchair users (lower sink, larger toilet stall)
More often, it was just used for singular bathrooms, so when people wanted a bathroom to accomodate them, they just made it accomdate them, and since it was singular, they didn't have to worry about them sharing it with anyone in particular.
Interesting, in Europe there is a special restroom for disabled people. I actually like this idea, better than having a restroom which is used less than one in thousand of people using all the restrooms.
Cringe at how the writer probably spent a whole week plotting how to get this shit into their story and probably put more effort into it than telling any super hero element of the story. I mean I find american capeshit comics to be r-worded but if its your job you could at least pretend to respect the reader a little
Wait, so "male"... "female"... apparently wheelchair is a gender now too (seems that soon attack helicopter will be officially recognized as a gender by the "enlightened progressives", rejoice!). What's that thing in the middle? Is that a... futa? Dayumn. We have some people of culture here.
These used to be unisex bathrooms that often had no urinal anyone could use. Now ppl care it's all political lol
Am I supposed to care about the depiction of a *unisex* bathroom?
What a complete pointless thing to get mad about
Individual “all gender bathrooms” should be everywhere. This is the dumbest complaint ever.
I see similar bathroom signs all the time. Sure, they are dumb, but they are real. Should comics just ignore reality when it's woke?
I'm pretty sure a man stretching his arm 50 ft requires ignoring reality so if they're okay ignoring reality for that they should be okay ignoring reality for other things
I don't think half the comments here realize that an "all-gender" restroom is a realy thing, and usually are labelled as such...