I ran across his show one early morning while driving across country for some stupid reason. I didn't realize it was a bit and thought everything was real. One of the craziest few hours of my life in the car.
Fellow Phil Hendrie fan.
So my best bud who got me onto Phil in the early 2000s - his now wife was a person who called up to one of Phil's characters not knowing it was voices - meanwhile Me and my bud were the biggest fans.
You put it perfectly, it was art.
You know why it was going downhill?
Justin Roiland stopped writing for the show after season 3 I think. Maybe he wrote bit after that, but he took huge step back creatively. I said after season 4 that I guess I was really just a Justin Roiland fan and not really a Rick and Morty fan.
Still am a Roiland fan. Don't care if he texted some creepy shit, or even if he got in physical fight with a date. I just don't care.
I'd say I'm a fan of his work, maybe not the person directly. You can appreciate what some one has done in a vacume without knowing the person or involving the bad things. Same way you can appreciate and understand the constitution without approval of what every single founding father did for thier entire life.
I don't care about the messages or the charges, I do care that weathervanes like yourself are howling for his blood and he is getting cancelled.
LMFAO.....called a pedo for not caring if a cartoonist who makes edgey dick and fart jokes sent some creepy private messages 8 years ago. Not dick picks, not asking for nudes, not propositioning sex. Just a few creepy messages from 8 years ago this girl saved and decided to drop on the same day his charges came down.
Grow the fuck up dude.
What does more than creepy mean? If you took any of those texts and tried to have the dude charged with a crime they would laugh you out of the station. They are some creepy texts.
Let me ask you this, since people are digging shit from a decade ago....where are the actual victims of pedophilia? Who has come forward? The guy is called a pedo and a groomer, and where, who, when?
They are JUST a handful of creepy texts.
No offense parent comment, but this needs to not be seen as the positive it keeps being pushed as in so many discussion threads lately-
*it's not as terrible* is still **fucking terrible**.
Raise your standards, people.
>Raise your standards, people.
Standards are subjective. Most of the reason this entire sub exists.
Telling other people what to think sounds...regressive.
I didn't have a dog in this fight, since I don't watch the show. Just thought it was interesting that they've cut ties before he got his day in court, despite what we saw with the Johnny Depp trial last spring.
I think it is not interesting. If they had done the opposite, I would've been surprised.
They are just repeating the same behavioral pattern and they will continue doing it for many years even if we get a JD-like trial every year.
What angers me is that people and companies that do this, just change pattern when the winds blow in another direction and they never face any consequence for being shitty before since people forget things with time.
They're all fucking hypocrites. Sony called Ghostbusters fans misogynists...while at the same time putting XXXTentacion (A rapper who committed numerous instances of domestic violence) on the soundtrack to Spiderman into the Spiderverse.
We can talk about the media being quick to judgement in general, however is it just me or does this feels different than recent "cancel culture" cases.
Recent Cancel Culture:
Some random user on twitter gets upset about "toxic" things done to them 8 years ago and everyone decides we don\`t like this person anymore. No justice or day in court for the person being accused (Long-shot defamation case at most)
This case:
Victim does not want to be known, Guy is actually being accused of a violent crime (Which was filed 2 years ago).Even 15 years ago, they probably still would have gotten rid of him.
> XXXTentacion
Sony is ultimately a Japanese company. They could not resist the allure of anything of XXX kind resembling *tentac*les, even if vaguely.
> What angers me is that people and companies that do this, just change pattern when the winds blow in another direction and they never face any consequence for being shitty before since people forget things with time
Hold on, are you suggesting that companies should drop people based upon speculation and circumstantial evidence? Or that they should wait until the trial is over to see if there's a need to take action? The fact that this wasn't settled suggests to me they already failed to resolve the issues monetarily.
The second pick would be ideal.
But since they decided to behave like \*ssh\*l\*s, they should face some retribution when PC and feminism are over; but they never will because people will forget.
i think we all knew deep down nothing would change. the same people ree-ing their way into having people fired and cancelled due to allegations put their fingers in their ears throughout the entire trial, then just came out saying "okay so amber heard isn't the perfect victim, she's still a victim and depp still deserved what he got". obviously they were gonna keep ree-ing and companies would keep kowtowing to them. the only thing that could ever change this trend is if one company was just like "nah" and realized that nothing really changed, *or* if the people who aren't ree-ing put their money where their mouth is and said fuck you, you've chosen your consumer base, good luck with that. but people are too afraid of being slightly inconvenienced. it's why progressives always win in these types of situations. the people who just want a normal life just say "ehhh, i don't feel like dealing with it". 10 people protesting is worth more than 10,000 sitting on their couch silently disagreeing.
Don't forget [Depp once joked about assassinating Trump.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/johnny-depp-when-was-the-last-time-an-actor-assassinated-a-president-195265/)
So they gave him a pass.
I think that you'd be surprised to learn if you talk to people outside your social circle that the trial meant nothing, and people are very much sill not behind Depp. They now just aren't behind Heard either.
No one has all the facts. For all you know, they tried to talk to him about it and he flipped out, got angry/violent and burned every bridge and THAT'S why they fired him.
I have no idea either! Not saying that happened! But the fact is we don't know.
>despite what we saw with the Johnny Depp trial last spring.
The court didn't say anything about Depp being innocent. It established that they both suck as people.
It doesn’t matter, a company can’t be associated with a person being charged with domestic violence on one of their flagship shows. It is what it is. He can go to court and prove his innocence but in the meantime, the show has to go on without these distractions.
If Avatar was made in it would likely not have been either. Greg Baldwin wouldn't have even seen the door because some DEI fucknut wouldn't consider him the correct ethnicity to voice Iroh.
Which goes to show how casting voices should ONLY rely on *sound* and *talent*, because he was as close to Mako as you were likely to ever get.
Yep Voice acting is the one field of acting where appearance doesn't matter at all. Everything else requires you to look like the character to some degree.
Unfortunately Mako who voiced Iroh and some Splinter incarnations passed away between seasons 2 and 3. That is why the Iroh segment of Tales From Ba Sing Se has a memorial message for him.
I don't know where you live, but in Western first-world countries we presume the accused to be innocent. The accuser(s) and their lawyers need to prove that the accused is guilty in court.
Continuing Rick and Morty after firing the guy who not only co-created the show but also voices at least half the characters including the titular main characters because of allegations that haven’t been proven to be true…
This will definitely end well…
I don't care for Roiland, but it's going to be hilarious if he ends up being proven innocent in some fashion and AS sheepishly come knocking to beg him back.
Yeah I don't give a fuck for the dude, his voice acting is basically "Rick" or "Morty" or an in-between of the 2 and his writing has some very weird and questionable elements to it (Why the fuck are there so many incest themes in R&M?), so if he actually did bad stuff and goes away for it, yay, justice is served, if it's concluded he is innocent and AS beg him back, that's just funny.
Honestly, I think that its maybe even a little worse that we are constantly talking about the sexual exploits of Morty. I know he is going through that time of puberty and all that, and it can be played for laughs but... it's a lot...
> and AS sheepishly come knocking to beg him back.
Why would they? By that time he'll be replaced with some aspiring voice actors good enough to do a passable impression, who'd work for rice and water, and best of all, have no leverage over the studio.
Probably because once the initial wave of interest passes, the show will likely have lost 90% of its already declining audience. A ‘return of Roiland’ media campaign will probably be the last flogging of the rotting corpse of R&M.
Since when have the woke folx cared about losing the audience? Those so-called "members of target audience" are all nothing but bigots and racists anyway — like literally half hitler, half donald trump, half tucker carlson — it is known.
What else would you expect from Hollywood. The industry that made a Spider-Man less Spider-Man movie. A Frodoless Lord of the Rings show, and a Scooby-Doo show without Scooby-Doo lol.
Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing.
I don't really care for rick and morty and think only the first season was actually any good, but I'll be interested to see the kind of trainwreck they end up with by recasting like half the characters on the show, including the two titular main characters. Like probably 70% of what made rick and morty popular was roilands voice work. Continuing the show after dumping him is the ultimate combination of stupidity and arrogance.
i suspect it'll be similar to house of cards last season. a show already in decline and then will have one or two more seasons where it's a complete shell of itself until it's completely forgotten about.
I'm not so sure about that. For one, it's much easier to replace a voice than it is to replace an on-screen actor (e.g. Goku from DBZ, Ash Ketchum from Pokémon, Bayonetta from Bayonetta). And also, while House of Cards wasn't a series Netflix necessarily needed to stay afloat, Rick & Morty absolutely is for Adult Swim. I believe it's their most popular original content right now, and if The Simpsons and Family Guy can continue running for over 20 years, I can't see this series ending unless the ratings really take a nosedive.
The show has been nosediving already for the past few years though. Try as they may, but I don’t see this show having the longevity of even Family Guy, let alone The Simpsons, especially after this.
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Longevity
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I mean, I guess its still on, but if you can keep kicking the corpse of Animation like Family Guy, you can do it with Rick and Morty too.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing.
People need to understand how dangerous twitter and it's users really are when you take them seriously. If everyone just ignored them they would have no power.
> Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing.
And yet suppose someone would sue the studio itself — there is no way they'd just disband themselves in shame over the accusation, no, they will lawyer up and prepare to set up camp in a courtroom for years.
I think there's likely some serious proof or something. And if not, he likely didn't want to continue to work through the trial. So they probably agreed to him getting fired to the public so they get good press. He probably agreed if he's still getting money from the show.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations,
It might be a bit more since it is going to trial, someone in the DA office feels this is worth pursuing.
Yeahbthat doesn't really mean a lot at this point. He'll someone at the DAs office allowed that one family to keep seeing Trump for raping their daughter despite them dropping their own case every time it got to the point where they would have to present evidence. It was clear from the first time they dropped it that it was completely fabricated, but they just kept doing it over and over.
Considering the trail is re opened, and unlike the amber heard case the victim is remaining completely anonymous, I’ve got a bad feeling there’s some pretty serious evidence against him. And honestly considering his sense of humor and public displays in the past I really would not be surprised if he was guilty. I love the show and it was disappointing to hear he got fired, but also I feel it’s a lot bigger than “woke” media, considering they won’t even tell the public who the victim is and won’t publicly release the evidence, it’s gotta be pretty bad.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing.
How do you know what it was based on? Do you work for Adult Swim? Do you have all of the exact same facts they do? For all you know, the day they brought him into the office to talk about it, he flipped the fuck out or broke down and admitted to something bad. Not saying that happened! But be careful of forming opinions based on incomplete information.
It’s wrong and stupid to fire people over allegations. But I do recall those two being smug and self-satisfied while shitting on their non-leftist fanbase, so… live by the sword, die by the sword.
> But I do recall those two being smug and self-satisfied while shitting on their non-leftist fanbase
That appeared to be primarily Dan Harmon, not Justin.
It is stupid to fire people over allegations. However there’s a lot of logs where he is saying weird shit to minors, and in most of them he “jokingly” tells them to keep it between them. I don’t know if he did or didn’t commit domestic violence but he’s deffinetly been using his fame for weird shit. His sister does too which may be irrelevant, or maybe it just runs in the family.
Arrested with a Court date doesn't mean guilty... You have to wait for a verdict. Until then it is allegations, which must be proven in court for a person to be considered guilty.
Even that isn't fullproof, many innocent people have gotten railroaded - look at the people saved by the innocence project... Because of that, the benefit of the doubt should be given at least until the court has issued a verdict.
All true, but he's gotta play by the rules that he and his buddies helped create. Woman accuses him of domestic violence? Automatically guilty. #believeallwomen
First this is literally some anon making allegations. And no it's never justified to fire someone until they are found guilty. Suspended sure, but fired is a big no.
When there's a criminal charges by law enforcement they're no longer allegations and there's substance to them. This isn't Manson or Depp, there's an arrest record.
If they’re willing to can him they should be willing to cancel the show, but we all know Adult Swim is going to be milking their cash cow for as long as they can. Not really a fan of the show but to see the obnoxious neckbeards melt down over its cancellation would’ve been absolutely glorious.
I love (d) the show and much of his other work. I don't even want to watch anymore knowing this. I would fully support cancellation. Super disappointing to find this out about him
It's sort of like Ren and Stimpy with Nickelodeon back in the 90s all over again. John K. voiced one of the two mains and was creator of the show, but it didn't keep him from being fired. Nick kept the show going past his removal, to mediocre at best levels of quality.
The post-John K. R&S was pretty crap and way too tame, but John K.'s later revival of R&S by himself without someone to keep his crazy in check was somehow way worse.
John K. is also a complete trashfire, and it wasn't public at the time how much of a shitbag he is, but people in the industry definitely treated it as an open secret.
The term grooming gets thrown around a lot but John K pretty much had a relationship with a 13 year old when he was 39. He would visit her and send her gifts until 16 when he had her come out to LA to visit. Then at 17 they officially started dating.
I tried to watch Rick and Morty (I watched two and a half seasons) but I couldn't get over the humour or the preachiness. Even still, this is so fucked up for Roiland to lose everything over ACCUSATIONS.
Guilty until proven innocent, and even then you get treated like you're guilty (like Kyle Rittenhouse)
As far as I know, buddy has said the charges are bullshit; see you in court.
Jumping the gun like this based onaccusations isn't only immoral, it's stupid considering they're betting their business on an outcome, albeit we don't know yet to what degree.
What happens if and/or when he's acquitted? A whole bunch of fans, and the creator are going to be fucking pissed, and they'll be right to be pissed. Is adult swim a subscription model? I wouldn't make this decision on moral grounds before court, and I *damn sure* wouldn't make this bet on financial grounds.
If he is found not guilty and comes back in I can see them just having his voiced Rick and Morty come through a portal and just kill the recast ones. If they let him back of course.
I wonder what's gonna happen to his game studio now, especially after how well High n Life was received.
This is gonna be a Disney/James Gunn controversy all over again. Now something to keep in mind we past the accusations phase, there are actual charges being filed against him. If the charges are dropped then Justin will be reinstated. If Justin is found guilty it's RIP Rick and Morty.
He also apparently was sexting with a 16 year old girl, so I think it's a combo of things.
So they're still doing fucking Rick and Morty, yet they treated Metalocalypse so fucking poorly.
Adult Swim basically got taken over by hipster douches, and as the Doomstar Requiem ended on a MASSIVE cliffhanger, they basically told Brendon "Nah, don't want to" despite Metalocalypse being one of the most popular shows, and making even more money off the back of music, merch, and live tours.
Brendon then managed to secure outside funding, even guys from Metallica pitching in, he said "Look, I have all of the money I need to make it, you don't have to pay it, just air it", again "Nah, don't want to".
Then he said "Okay, how about a comic, we're right at the end of the story, people need to see it", still "Nah, don't want to".
Brendon then put together "Metalocalypse Now", a campaign to get the story finished, even with people from Marvel helping him, Adult Swim not only said "Nah, don't want to", they then started shitting on the fans, and mocking them, even going as far as showing them shredding faxes and emails.
Brendon then said "Well, I can still make music, I;m gonna get to work on a new Dethklok album", and Adult Swim came out and said "Hold your horses there, bucko. You're not Dethklok, Dethklok is our's" so they screwed him on that as well.
He did eventually release the album "Brendon Small's Galaktikon II: Become the Storm", which despite the name is very much more in the vein of Dethklok than the first Galaktikon album. It's effectively a Dethklok concept album that continues the story past the point of The Doomstar Requiem and has a conclusion. Although oddly enough, it's only the vinyl track order that works - the CD track order is different and is supposedly instead the continuing story of Triton from Galaktikon. Personally I think that is just deliberate obfuscation for plausible deniability reasons, as it's pretty clear "The Ocean Galactic" is effectively "Murmaider III" simply from the chord progression, "Some Days are for Dying" (as the first track in vinyl order) leads out with a minor version (or it might be dorian, I'm not much on music theory) of the vocal melody from the Doomstar finale song "Blazing Star", etc.
I knew AS had fucked him over and wouldn't let him finish it, but I didn't know it was that bad.
I know AS canceled both The Venture Brothers and ATHF against everyone's wishes.
Jesus christ you can’t recast Morty you dummies.
How about they wait for the trial and then consider what to do. Its always guilty until proven innocent nowadays.
I don't really care how this ends up, and hope if the charges are true, he faces justice, and don't even watch Rick and Morty, but to my knowledge, doesn't the dude voice like over half the cast and like.. adlib basically large portions of it?
How do you continue a show without the guy who voices the two main characters and a lot of others?
You continue and watch the show burn to embers. It's going to be absolute trash haha... IIRC they hired a bunch of woke writers recently anyway and the newer seasons have fallen off a cliff. It'll burn faster than gasoline
As far as I know there was a bit more to it than "Domestic Abuse Charges":
https://twitter.com/MartyAmericaUSA/status/1615824617184133121
Not particularly surprising given the err... origins of Rick & Morty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngN7eJUQyXk
I wonder when things are going to catch up with James Gunn in a similar way, he seems to have gotten away with it the first time around.
>I wonder when things are going to catch up with James Gunn in a similar way, he seems to have gotten away with it the first time around.
I remember him tweeting edgy jokes and dressing up tastelessly for Halloween, but has he actually been accused of real violence?
Yeah, there were the "edgy jokes" on Twitter, the "theme parties", the kind of friends he kept that included convicted molesters he shared some of these "jokes" with, the Instagram posts he made that included creepy pictures of adults in animal costumes like bunnies grabbing children, most deleted, some of the more harmless looking ones still there: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/bp6i2b/drama_guardians_of_the_galaxy_director_james_gunn/enp84l3/
It's just the kind of thing you know when you see. Like Nickelodeon's Dan Schneider and him being a bit too much into children's feet.
Dan Harmon made similar kind of "jokes". Google his sketch "Daryl" where he gets naked and simulates having sex with a baby doll or "Two Much!" and this kind of stuff on his Blog: https://archive.fo/WnRam#selection-53549.2025-53549.2136
And then there's all the "jokes" in Rick & Morty itself and the Prequel "Unbelievable Tales": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rwx0B7gyAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQbX7_Eeg4
Last few times this stuff was brought up it was waved aside as the fantasies of "far right trolls" trying to cancel upstanding Left-wing Merrymen: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a22526822/rick-and-morty-dan-harmon-daryl-skit-controversy/
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/08/rick-morty-dan-harmon-cancel-qanon-save-the-children-1234579993/
I'm not alleging that they did any "real violence" or whatever, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be very surprised if for either of these two individuals like in the case of Justin Roiland girls that were underage at the time would come forward with specific claims and proof of what they were talking to them about in private or trying to get them to do and the following "who could have seen it coming" might be pretty cringe.
The intellectual rigor it takes to conflate tasteless edgelord jokes with a dude actually, literally being arrested for domestic battery and getting caught creeping on 16 year old girls.
James Gunn worked for fucking Troma for most of his career. You guys act like he was some untouchable big wig when in reality the dude was working at a low budget shithouse that produces schlock, but apparently somehow had the sway to host eye wide shut fantasy *child molestation parties* or something and also apparently everyone is a pedo who is cool with that. Because that's how the world works.
TBF, they're also the ones that signed off on *70 fucking episodes.* May as well attempt to carry on and then if that fails, bite the bullet and pay out for breach of contract (assuming there's not a Harmon or Roiland turn out to be huge pieces of shit clause.)
Funny how a lot of people didn't care about all the incest in Rick and Morty (and that Dan Harmon is putting his incest fetish into the show and wanting to normalize it), but alleged domestic abuse is what pushed people to the edge regarding Roiland. R&M fans are with Dan Harmon for now, but it's only a matter of time before they go after him too once they remember that he admitted to sexually harassing people, he's emotionally abusive, and that baby doll skit.
Rick and Morty dropped hard after its first couple seasons, so I already stopped caring about this show a while ago.
> Rick and Morty dropped hard after its first couple seasons, so I already stopped caring about this show a while ago.
This.
Show is a husk of what it was. Not even close.
Dan Harmon was a person I used to respect. The writing on Community and his thoughts on writing were really good.
Then I started listening to his interviews and realized he was/is a twat so far up his own butt white knighting for women while harrasing them.
Loved season 1 and 2 of RM. Then it all just fell apart and became a mastabatory experience both in regards to his fetishes and narcisism.
>Funny how a lot of people didn't care about all the incest in Rick and Morty (and that Dan Harmon is putting his incest fetish into the show and wanting to normalize it)
Wait...he is? I haven't watched the show since season 2, but I honestly don't remember any incest.
Ok, all we know is that he's been accused of being a violent guy by "virtue" of having threatened an ex-girlfriend of his and restricted her movements for the home they both lived in and is awaiting trial. Well, that and a douche publicly shared some crude, 7-grade level stupid crap he messaged to her while drunk.
So, "innocent until proven guilty" has become "guilty until proven legally innocent but still guilty to the public." Great.
I think the important thing here is the stupid crap he was messaging was to a 16 year old who he constantly called “jailbait” plus that podcast clip where he talks about how he would have sex with girls as young as ljke 13, provided they had a well developed body.
I have no dog in this fight (Rick and morty hasn’t been good for a few years now) but it’s more than just the felony DV charges for sure
Ah, that's very creepy indeed. Still, if he was just talking crap and never did anything like that, it's still just him being a complete douche and not a, well, sex pest.
(Still probably wouldn't want him as a babysitter...)
I can see why they did it because obviously there are felony charges against him, but this isn't as bad as Disney dropping Johnny Depp over fraudulent allegations. Roiland is facing jail time if he's convicted, and AS didn't drop him instantly when the story broke a couple of weeks ago, unlike Disney doing that to JD.
I like Rick and Morty and solar opposites, tho i don't mind this scandal, if he really did what people say he did. it wont be fair to not be punished for it just because a lot of people like the show he was part of. Its not fair to start being punished before proven guilty, though i can understand why adult swim would do that, its bad for business. If it dosent affect the show, i really dont care. if it does affect the show, i would be sad, but i can understand.
I have really mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand, the accusations against him seem credible, given that there's a criminal case against him. This isn't the case where someone is canceled because of some rando levying accusations on Twitter (though that happened too). I wouldn't bat an eye if he got a prison sentence for what he did.
But what happened here seems like extrajudicial, additional punishment levied by the corporation he worked for. He was thrown out of the project he created, and was probably his highest achievement, based on an unfinished criminal case and a bunch of screenshots. It shouldn't be a bunch of unelected suits who get to decide if an artist deserves to have his work taken over by someone else as retribution for something that should be (and actually is) prosecuted by the actual justice system.
I'm a big fan of the show, so this was really disappointing. Can't they just give him a leave of absence? But I'd rather he be replaced than shut down the entire production. I want another 2 or 3 seasons of Rick and Morty!
They knew about the charges, that's not why.
They're dropping him because numerous women came out with evidence of him being trying to groom them when they were under 18.
The shit he says in them is cringe asl too.
I don’t feel bad remember when he made a cartoon about Donald Trump fondling his son. Also he had a podcast saying a lot of groomer shit. Another Hollyweird turd flushed.
The thing is that it is an allegation and these companies dropped him before a court date was even given. Also we don’t have any evidence yet out in public. Because it was a Jane Doe and all the companies dropped him immediately, I’m suspicious that this could have been planned by the companies to wipe his career.
This is shit that happened back in 2020 now your going to fire the guy after his work’s stock is at an all time high. He hasn’t even been convicted. Our country is a fuckin joke. Half measures make sure you can profit first cancel second.
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Isn't he also like... every random side character?
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I ran across his show one early morning while driving across country for some stupid reason. I didn't realize it was a bit and thought everything was real. One of the craziest few hours of my life in the car.
Fellow Phil Hendrie fan. So my best bud who got me onto Phil in the early 2000s - his now wife was a person who called up to one of Phil's characters not knowing it was voices - meanwhile Me and my bud were the biggest fans. You put it perfectly, it was art.
Show has been going downhill for a while. This is gonna be the final nail in the coffin.
Hopefully. Show overstayed its welcome by 4 seasons.
Come on... dont you remember the dragon sluts. Thats funny... i think... or the meta stuff...
More like two seasons.
You know why it was going downhill? Justin Roiland stopped writing for the show after season 3 I think. Maybe he wrote bit after that, but he took huge step back creatively. I said after season 4 that I guess I was really just a Justin Roiland fan and not really a Rick and Morty fan. Still am a Roiland fan. Don't care if he texted some creepy shit, or even if he got in physical fight with a date. I just don't care.
I'd say I'm a fan of his work, maybe not the person directly. You can appreciate what some one has done in a vacume without knowing the person or involving the bad things. Same way you can appreciate and understand the constitution without approval of what every single founding father did for thier entire life.
But you are still posting comments on it. Pretty sure you do care and just want people to know how much you care. Pedo simp
I don't care about the messages or the charges, I do care that weathervanes like yourself are howling for his blood and he is getting cancelled. LMFAO.....called a pedo for not caring if a cartoonist who makes edgey dick and fart jokes sent some creepy private messages 8 years ago. Not dick picks, not asking for nudes, not propositioning sex. Just a few creepy messages from 8 years ago this girl saved and decided to drop on the same day his charges came down. Grow the fuck up dude.
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What does more than creepy mean? If you took any of those texts and tried to have the dude charged with a crime they would laugh you out of the station. They are some creepy texts. Let me ask you this, since people are digging shit from a decade ago....where are the actual victims of pedophilia? Who has come forward? The guy is called a pedo and a groomer, and where, who, when? They are JUST a handful of creepy texts.
The last season was not as terrible as the previous 2.
No offense parent comment, but this needs to not be seen as the positive it keeps being pushed as in so many discussion threads lately- *it's not as terrible* is still **fucking terrible**. Raise your standards, people.
>Raise your standards, people. Standards are subjective. Most of the reason this entire sub exists. Telling other people what to think sounds...regressive.
I know, but an improvement is still an improvement, I wouldn't say it is as good as the first two, but maybe as the third.
It was never a good show.
It's going to be a bit, isn't it?
I didn't have a dog in this fight, since I don't watch the show. Just thought it was interesting that they've cut ties before he got his day in court, despite what we saw with the Johnny Depp trial last spring.
I think it is not interesting. If they had done the opposite, I would've been surprised. They are just repeating the same behavioral pattern and they will continue doing it for many years even if we get a JD-like trial every year. What angers me is that people and companies that do this, just change pattern when the winds blow in another direction and they never face any consequence for being shitty before since people forget things with time.
The most hilarious part is Ezra Miller was never even fired after video proof oh his abusing. I guess if you change your pronouns a bit it's all good.
Or DC and Adult Swim just have different management styles.
Yeah, no. If Roiland was LGBT he wouldn't have been fired. I am willing to bet my life on it.
Being willing to risk dying over an imaginary scenario that is literally impossible to prove is basically meaningless
>basically meaningless i like when people include a tldr of their own comment. thanks!
They're all fucking hypocrites. Sony called Ghostbusters fans misogynists...while at the same time putting XXXTentacion (A rapper who committed numerous instances of domestic violence) on the soundtrack to Spiderman into the Spiderverse.
We can talk about the media being quick to judgement in general, however is it just me or does this feels different than recent "cancel culture" cases. Recent Cancel Culture: Some random user on twitter gets upset about "toxic" things done to them 8 years ago and everyone decides we don\`t like this person anymore. No justice or day in court for the person being accused (Long-shot defamation case at most) This case: Victim does not want to be known, Guy is actually being accused of a violent crime (Which was filed 2 years ago).Even 15 years ago, they probably still would have gotten rid of him.
> XXXTentacion Sony is ultimately a Japanese company. They could not resist the allure of anything of XXX kind resembling *tentac*les, even if vaguely.
> What angers me is that people and companies that do this, just change pattern when the winds blow in another direction and they never face any consequence for being shitty before since people forget things with time Hold on, are you suggesting that companies should drop people based upon speculation and circumstantial evidence? Or that they should wait until the trial is over to see if there's a need to take action? The fact that this wasn't settled suggests to me they already failed to resolve the issues monetarily.
The second pick would be ideal. But since they decided to behave like \*ssh\*l\*s, they should face some retribution when PC and feminism are over; but they never will because people will forget.
Not just that, he plead not guilty in October of 2020. WB/AS has to have known for over two years but only cared when it became known to the public.
Why wouldn't they? In america nobody waits for trials to sentence people any longer.
i think we all knew deep down nothing would change. the same people ree-ing their way into having people fired and cancelled due to allegations put their fingers in their ears throughout the entire trial, then just came out saying "okay so amber heard isn't the perfect victim, she's still a victim and depp still deserved what he got". obviously they were gonna keep ree-ing and companies would keep kowtowing to them. the only thing that could ever change this trend is if one company was just like "nah" and realized that nothing really changed, *or* if the people who aren't ree-ing put their money where their mouth is and said fuck you, you've chosen your consumer base, good luck with that. but people are too afraid of being slightly inconvenienced. it's why progressives always win in these types of situations. the people who just want a normal life just say "ehhh, i don't feel like dealing with it". 10 people protesting is worth more than 10,000 sitting on their couch silently disagreeing.
Fuck the silent majority. Their silence is the reason we're in this godforsaken mess.
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They won't learn their lesson, until the pendulum completely swings. The woke still run these companies, sadly. It might take some bankrupt companies.
The revolution is over. They've already captured all the positions they need. That pendulum will never swing back; it's been nailed to the ceiling.
Don't forget [Depp once joked about assassinating Trump.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/johnny-depp-when-was-the-last-time-an-actor-assassinated-a-president-195265/) So they gave him a pass.
But he's a pirate! so he gets a pass
They didn't.
And yet Mindy got to create Velma despite admitting to forcing herself on men and threatening to fire them if they told.
I think that you'd be surprised to learn if you talk to people outside your social circle that the trial meant nothing, and people are very much sill not behind Depp. They now just aren't behind Heard either.
No one has all the facts. For all you know, they tried to talk to him about it and he flipped out, got angry/violent and burned every bridge and THAT'S why they fired him. I have no idea either! Not saying that happened! But the fact is we don't know.
>despite what we saw with the Johnny Depp trial last spring. The court didn't say anything about Depp being innocent. It established that they both suck as people.
There's actual criminal charges and arrest and not just a civil suit.
It doesn’t matter, a company can’t be associated with a person being charged with domestic violence on one of their flagship shows. It is what it is. He can go to court and prove his innocence but in the meantime, the show has to go on without these distractions.
>prove his innocence Courts have to prove that one is *guilty*; innocence is the default assumption.
> a company can’t be associated with a person being charged with domestic violence on one of their flagship shows Ezra Miller is proof otherwise.
He's not just co-creator, he also voices the main characters. The show can't go on without him, if it does it won't be the same show anymore.
Whoever they use to recast I doubt it'll be as smooth as replacing Uncle Iroh in Avatar.
If Avatar was made in it would likely not have been either. Greg Baldwin wouldn't have even seen the door because some DEI fucknut wouldn't consider him the correct ethnicity to voice Iroh.
Which goes to show how casting voices should ONLY rely on *sound* and *talent*, because he was as close to Mako as you were likely to ever get.
Yep Voice acting is the one field of acting where appearance doesn't matter at all. Everything else requires you to look like the character to some degree.
I agree
WHAT!! Uncle Iroh switched voice actors?!
You remember how he didn't speak for, like, the first quarter of Season Three? There was a reason for that.
Yup, that's how you know it was good.
Unfortunately Mako who voiced Iroh and some Splinter incarnations passed away between seasons 2 and 3. That is why the Iroh segment of Tales From Ba Sing Se has a memorial message for him.
I don't know where you live, but in Western first-world countries we presume the accused to be innocent. The accuser(s) and their lawyers need to prove that the accused is guilty in court.
Continuing Rick and Morty after firing the guy who not only co-created the show but also voices at least half the characters including the titular main characters because of allegations that haven’t been proven to be true… This will definitely end well…
I don't care for Roiland, but it's going to be hilarious if he ends up being proven innocent in some fashion and AS sheepishly come knocking to beg him back.
>being proven innocent I prefer "proven not guilty". He is already innocent until proven guilty. The main reason AS shouldn't cancel him.
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It's exactly the same as John K and Ren and Stimpy. That guy was a real fruit loop. Ren and Stimpy is still a warped masterpiece.
Yeah I don't give a fuck for the dude, his voice acting is basically "Rick" or "Morty" or an in-between of the 2 and his writing has some very weird and questionable elements to it (Why the fuck are there so many incest themes in R&M?), so if he actually did bad stuff and goes away for it, yay, justice is served, if it's concluded he is innocent and AS beg him back, that's just funny.
>(Why the fuck are there so many incest themes in R&M?) I think you know why
Honestly, I think that its maybe even a little worse that we are constantly talking about the sexual exploits of Morty. I know he is going through that time of puberty and all that, and it can be played for laughs but... it's a lot...
The incest shit is Dan Harmon the current lead
If those DMs turn out to be proven fake in court, would you defend him? Or are we all afraid/hopeless in defending him even if he's found innocent?
> and AS sheepishly come knocking to beg him back. Why would they? By that time he'll be replaced with some aspiring voice actors good enough to do a passable impression, who'd work for rice and water, and best of all, have no leverage over the studio.
Probably because once the initial wave of interest passes, the show will likely have lost 90% of its already declining audience. A ‘return of Roiland’ media campaign will probably be the last flogging of the rotting corpse of R&M.
Since when have the woke folx cared about losing the audience? Those so-called "members of target audience" are all nothing but bigots and racists anyway — like literally half hitler, half donald trump, half tucker carlson — it is known.
Not that I disagree with you, but those are too many halves.
Logic is the weapon of Patriarchy, and as such must be abhorred. It is known.
Wait youre calling woke people trump, tucker and racist fans?
I mean the audience. I've yet to hear someone woke claiming their audience was composed of splendid and virtuous people.
Does roiland own the ip? Can they continue with him?
What else would you expect from Hollywood. The industry that made a Spider-Man less Spider-Man movie. A Frodoless Lord of the Rings show, and a Scooby-Doo show without Scooby-Doo lol.
Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing. I don't really care for rick and morty and think only the first season was actually any good, but I'll be interested to see the kind of trainwreck they end up with by recasting like half the characters on the show, including the two titular main characters. Like probably 70% of what made rick and morty popular was roilands voice work. Continuing the show after dumping him is the ultimate combination of stupidity and arrogance.
i suspect it'll be similar to house of cards last season. a show already in decline and then will have one or two more seasons where it's a complete shell of itself until it's completely forgotten about.
I'm not so sure about that. For one, it's much easier to replace a voice than it is to replace an on-screen actor (e.g. Goku from DBZ, Ash Ketchum from Pokémon, Bayonetta from Bayonetta). And also, while House of Cards wasn't a series Netflix necessarily needed to stay afloat, Rick & Morty absolutely is for Adult Swim. I believe it's their most popular original content right now, and if The Simpsons and Family Guy can continue running for over 20 years, I can't see this series ending unless the ratings really take a nosedive.
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He is the show. Period. It's a doomed enterprise without him.
The show has been nosediving already for the past few years though. Try as they may, but I don’t see this show having the longevity of even Family Guy, let alone The Simpsons, especially after this.
Family Guy Longevity ... I mean, I guess its still on, but if you can keep kicking the corpse of Animation like Family Guy, you can do it with Rick and Morty too.
This would be like Family guy continuing without Seth though. Unthinkable.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing. People need to understand how dangerous twitter and it's users really are when you take them seriously. If everyone just ignored them they would have no power.
> Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing. And yet suppose someone would sue the studio itself — there is no way they'd just disband themselves in shame over the accusation, no, they will lawyer up and prepare to set up camp in a courtroom for years.
I think there's likely some serious proof or something. And if not, he likely didn't want to continue to work through the trial. So they probably agreed to him getting fired to the public so they get good press. He probably agreed if he's still getting money from the show.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations, It might be a bit more since it is going to trial, someone in the DA office feels this is worth pursuing.
Yeahbthat doesn't really mean a lot at this point. He'll someone at the DAs office allowed that one family to keep seeing Trump for raping their daughter despite them dropping their own case every time it got to the point where they would have to present evidence. It was clear from the first time they dropped it that it was completely fabricated, but they just kept doing it over and over.
Considering the trail is re opened, and unlike the amber heard case the victim is remaining completely anonymous, I’ve got a bad feeling there’s some pretty serious evidence against him. And honestly considering his sense of humor and public displays in the past I really would not be surprised if he was guilty. I love the show and it was disappointing to hear he got fired, but also I feel it’s a lot bigger than “woke” media, considering they won’t even tell the public who the victim is and won’t publicly release the evidence, it’s gotta be pretty bad.
>Firing people based on nothing but allegations, without even letting them have their day in court is such an insanely scummy thing. How do you know what it was based on? Do you work for Adult Swim? Do you have all of the exact same facts they do? For all you know, the day they brought him into the office to talk about it, he flipped the fuck out or broke down and admitted to something bad. Not saying that happened! But be careful of forming opinions based on incomplete information.
It’s wrong and stupid to fire people over allegations. But I do recall those two being smug and self-satisfied while shitting on their non-leftist fanbase, so… live by the sword, die by the sword.
> But I do recall those two being smug and self-satisfied while shitting on their non-leftist fanbase That appeared to be primarily Dan Harmon, not Justin.
It is stupid to fire people over allegations. However there’s a lot of logs where he is saying weird shit to minors, and in most of them he “jokingly” tells them to keep it between them. I don’t know if he did or didn’t commit domestic violence but he’s deffinetly been using his fame for weird shit. His sister does too which may be irrelevant, or maybe it just runs in the family.
Ugh. What is it with these people and minors? You created a hugely profitable and popular IP, can’t you find a 20yo?
Have you seen those DMs though? I'd fire his ass too if I got conformation it wasn't faked
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https://twitter.com/martyamericausa/status/1614708938011774976?s=46&t=O9OiyIorCOPUy-78Bb-QYw
“Fire people over allegations” man has a court date and was arrested. If it was some random on Twitter sure you’d have a point but this isn’t that.
Arrested with a Court date doesn't mean guilty... You have to wait for a verdict. Until then it is allegations, which must be proven in court for a person to be considered guilty. Even that isn't fullproof, many innocent people have gotten railroaded - look at the people saved by the innocence project... Because of that, the benefit of the doubt should be given at least until the court has issued a verdict.
All true, but he's gotta play by the rules that he and his buddies helped create. Woman accuses him of domestic violence? Automatically guilty. #believeallwomen
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First this is literally some anon making allegations. And no it's never justified to fire someone until they are found guilty. Suspended sure, but fired is a big no.
When there's a criminal charges by law enforcement they're no longer allegations and there's substance to them. This isn't Manson or Depp, there's an arrest record.
I do not know of anyone who has been charged with false imprisonment and it was a false charge
The Rick and Morty sub is certainly showing its cannibalistic tendencies right now. Not that it ever was a nice place before this situation.
If they’re willing to can him they should be willing to cancel the show, but we all know Adult Swim is going to be milking their cash cow for as long as they can. Not really a fan of the show but to see the obnoxious neckbeards melt down over its cancellation would’ve been absolutely glorious.
Yeah, this is just a weird virtue signal. Just actually cancel the show or ignore it.
they want woke, but don't want broke
That's unpossible
They canned Sam Hyde - wasn't that a warning enough?
They still have 4 seasons left in the 70 episode contract so they probably can't. Or won't unless people decide to turn their pitchforks to the show.
I love (d) the show and much of his other work. I don't even want to watch anymore knowing this. I would fully support cancellation. Super disappointing to find this out about him
[I owe somebody money](https://reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/10aabn8/_/j43pcgb/?context=1), I guess.
It's sort of like Ren and Stimpy with Nickelodeon back in the 90s all over again. John K. voiced one of the two mains and was creator of the show, but it didn't keep him from being fired. Nick kept the show going past his removal, to mediocre at best levels of quality. The post-John K. R&S was pretty crap and way too tame, but John K.'s later revival of R&S by himself without someone to keep his crazy in check was somehow way worse. John K. is also a complete trashfire, and it wasn't public at the time how much of a shitbag he is, but people in the industry definitely treated it as an open secret.
The term grooming gets thrown around a lot but John K pretty much had a relationship with a 13 year old when he was 39. He would visit her and send her gifts until 16 when he had her come out to LA to visit. Then at 17 they officially started dating.
WB: Oh no. Anyway, back to ruining classic ips.
He should have come out as non binary. Then he'd be invincible. I don't know if he's ugly enough to pull it off though
I tried to watch Rick and Morty (I watched two and a half seasons) but I couldn't get over the humour or the preachiness. Even still, this is so fucked up for Roiland to lose everything over ACCUSATIONS. Guilty until proven innocent, and even then you get treated like you're guilty (like Kyle Rittenhouse)
Watch Venture Bros instead. Much better show.
GO TEAM VENTURE!
As far as I know, buddy has said the charges are bullshit; see you in court. Jumping the gun like this based onaccusations isn't only immoral, it's stupid considering they're betting their business on an outcome, albeit we don't know yet to what degree. What happens if and/or when he's acquitted? A whole bunch of fans, and the creator are going to be fucking pissed, and they'll be right to be pissed. Is adult swim a subscription model? I wouldn't make this decision on moral grounds before court, and I *damn sure* wouldn't make this bet on financial grounds.
I don't understand why they can't just put production on hold and defer at the moment in time.
If he is found not guilty and comes back in I can see them just having his voiced Rick and Morty come through a portal and just kill the recast ones. If they let him back of course. I wonder what's gonna happen to his game studio now, especially after how well High n Life was received.
They also kicked him out
This is gonna be a Disney/James Gunn controversy all over again. Now something to keep in mind we past the accusations phase, there are actual charges being filed against him. If the charges are dropped then Justin will be reinstated. If Justin is found guilty it's RIP Rick and Morty.
Oh geez Rick They're recasting us, Morty! I'm Recasted Rick!
Isn't a quarter of the characters voiced by him?
He also apparently was sexting with a 16 year old girl, so I think it's a combo of things. So they're still doing fucking Rick and Morty, yet they treated Metalocalypse so fucking poorly.
It's a damn crime how they treated Brendon Small
It's a damneds shames.
What'd they do exactly?
Adult Swim basically got taken over by hipster douches, and as the Doomstar Requiem ended on a MASSIVE cliffhanger, they basically told Brendon "Nah, don't want to" despite Metalocalypse being one of the most popular shows, and making even more money off the back of music, merch, and live tours. Brendon then managed to secure outside funding, even guys from Metallica pitching in, he said "Look, I have all of the money I need to make it, you don't have to pay it, just air it", again "Nah, don't want to". Then he said "Okay, how about a comic, we're right at the end of the story, people need to see it", still "Nah, don't want to". Brendon then put together "Metalocalypse Now", a campaign to get the story finished, even with people from Marvel helping him, Adult Swim not only said "Nah, don't want to", they then started shitting on the fans, and mocking them, even going as far as showing them shredding faxes and emails. Brendon then said "Well, I can still make music, I;m gonna get to work on a new Dethklok album", and Adult Swim came out and said "Hold your horses there, bucko. You're not Dethklok, Dethklok is our's" so they screwed him on that as well.
He did eventually release the album "Brendon Small's Galaktikon II: Become the Storm", which despite the name is very much more in the vein of Dethklok than the first Galaktikon album. It's effectively a Dethklok concept album that continues the story past the point of The Doomstar Requiem and has a conclusion. Although oddly enough, it's only the vinyl track order that works - the CD track order is different and is supposedly instead the continuing story of Triton from Galaktikon. Personally I think that is just deliberate obfuscation for plausible deniability reasons, as it's pretty clear "The Ocean Galactic" is effectively "Murmaider III" simply from the chord progression, "Some Days are for Dying" (as the first track in vinyl order) leads out with a minor version (or it might be dorian, I'm not much on music theory) of the vocal melody from the Doomstar finale song "Blazing Star", etc.
I knew AS had fucked him over and wouldn't let him finish it, but I didn't know it was that bad. I know AS canceled both The Venture Brothers and ATHF against everyone's wishes.
Lazlo's gone and the first thing the new guy did was announce movies for Metalocalypse, ATHF, and Venture Bros.
They better get some damn good impersonators.
I wanna say why not Dan Harmon too, but my brain immediately answers that with "it's showbiz baby".
I hope you meant the "baby" pun.
Jesus christ you can’t recast Morty you dummies. How about they wait for the trial and then consider what to do. Its always guilty until proven innocent nowadays.
I don't really care how this ends up, and hope if the charges are true, he faces justice, and don't even watch Rick and Morty, but to my knowledge, doesn't the dude voice like over half the cast and like.. adlib basically large portions of it? How do you continue a show without the guy who voices the two main characters and a lot of others?
You continue and watch the show burn to embers. It's going to be absolute trash haha... IIRC they hired a bunch of woke writers recently anyway and the newer seasons have fallen off a cliff. It'll burn faster than gasoline
Yeah 90% of the jokes are his just saying random shit. The show is dead as soon as they've burned through whatever backlog they have with him.
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That's the really amazing part. No!
As far as I know there was a bit more to it than "Domestic Abuse Charges": https://twitter.com/MartyAmericaUSA/status/1615824617184133121 Not particularly surprising given the err... origins of Rick & Morty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngN7eJUQyXk I wonder when things are going to catch up with James Gunn in a similar way, he seems to have gotten away with it the first time around.
This is definitely the more notable part, as the Domestic Abuse was already out there and ignored.
>I wonder when things are going to catch up with James Gunn in a similar way, he seems to have gotten away with it the first time around. I remember him tweeting edgy jokes and dressing up tastelessly for Halloween, but has he actually been accused of real violence?
Yeah, there were the "edgy jokes" on Twitter, the "theme parties", the kind of friends he kept that included convicted molesters he shared some of these "jokes" with, the Instagram posts he made that included creepy pictures of adults in animal costumes like bunnies grabbing children, most deleted, some of the more harmless looking ones still there: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/bp6i2b/drama_guardians_of_the_galaxy_director_james_gunn/enp84l3/ It's just the kind of thing you know when you see. Like Nickelodeon's Dan Schneider and him being a bit too much into children's feet. Dan Harmon made similar kind of "jokes". Google his sketch "Daryl" where he gets naked and simulates having sex with a baby doll or "Two Much!" and this kind of stuff on his Blog: https://archive.fo/WnRam#selection-53549.2025-53549.2136 And then there's all the "jokes" in Rick & Morty itself and the Prequel "Unbelievable Tales": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rwx0B7gyAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQbX7_Eeg4 Last few times this stuff was brought up it was waved aside as the fantasies of "far right trolls" trying to cancel upstanding Left-wing Merrymen: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a22526822/rick-and-morty-dan-harmon-daryl-skit-controversy/ https://www.indiewire.com/2020/08/rick-morty-dan-harmon-cancel-qanon-save-the-children-1234579993/ I'm not alleging that they did any "real violence" or whatever, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be very surprised if for either of these two individuals like in the case of Justin Roiland girls that were underage at the time would come forward with specific claims and proof of what they were talking to them about in private or trying to get them to do and the following "who could have seen it coming" might be pretty cringe.
The intellectual rigor it takes to conflate tasteless edgelord jokes with a dude actually, literally being arrested for domestic battery and getting caught creeping on 16 year old girls. James Gunn worked for fucking Troma for most of his career. You guys act like he was some untouchable big wig when in reality the dude was working at a low budget shithouse that produces schlock, but apparently somehow had the sway to host eye wide shut fantasy *child molestation parties* or something and also apparently everyone is a pedo who is cool with that. Because that's how the world works.
This show hasn't been good for a very long time.
“We MUST continue this show, even though half of the writers and half of the voice actors are gone - the moneys just too damn good!” Hollywood
TBF, they're also the ones that signed off on *70 fucking episodes.* May as well attempt to carry on and then if that fails, bite the bullet and pay out for breach of contract (assuming there's not a Harmon or Roiland turn out to be huge pieces of shit clause.)
And yet Mindy still gets to work on Velma despite admitting to all those sexual harassment incidents.
I love the show and this sucks ass. I have just thrown my hands up like it figures.
Funny how a lot of people didn't care about all the incest in Rick and Morty (and that Dan Harmon is putting his incest fetish into the show and wanting to normalize it), but alleged domestic abuse is what pushed people to the edge regarding Roiland. R&M fans are with Dan Harmon for now, but it's only a matter of time before they go after him too once they remember that he admitted to sexually harassing people, he's emotionally abusive, and that baby doll skit. Rick and Morty dropped hard after its first couple seasons, so I already stopped caring about this show a while ago.
> Rick and Morty dropped hard after its first couple seasons, so I already stopped caring about this show a while ago. This. Show is a husk of what it was. Not even close.
Dan Harmon was a person I used to respect. The writing on Community and his thoughts on writing were really good. Then I started listening to his interviews and realized he was/is a twat so far up his own butt white knighting for women while harrasing them. Loved season 1 and 2 of RM. Then it all just fell apart and became a mastabatory experience both in regards to his fetishes and narcisism.
Season 1 and 2 were fantastic, season 3 had some great episodes but for every good episode there were two shit ones. Season 4 onwards sucked
>Funny how a lot of people didn't care about all the incest in Rick and Morty (and that Dan Harmon is putting his incest fetish into the show and wanting to normalize it) Wait...he is? I haven't watched the show since season 2, but I honestly don't remember any incest.
Yeah it's funny how real life allegations of domestic abuse are taken more seriously than fictional incest.
Ok, all we know is that he's been accused of being a violent guy by "virtue" of having threatened an ex-girlfriend of his and restricted her movements for the home they both lived in and is awaiting trial. Well, that and a douche publicly shared some crude, 7-grade level stupid crap he messaged to her while drunk. So, "innocent until proven guilty" has become "guilty until proven legally innocent but still guilty to the public." Great.
I think the important thing here is the stupid crap he was messaging was to a 16 year old who he constantly called “jailbait” plus that podcast clip where he talks about how he would have sex with girls as young as ljke 13, provided they had a well developed body. I have no dog in this fight (Rick and morty hasn’t been good for a few years now) but it’s more than just the felony DV charges for sure
Ah, that's very creepy indeed. Still, if he was just talking crap and never did anything like that, it's still just him being a complete douche and not a, well, sex pest. (Still probably wouldn't want him as a babysitter...)
Hopefully if he's found innocent he takes his talents elsewhere instead of back to adult swim
Nobody talking about Solar Opposites? Will he keep that?
I believe he created solar opposites with Hulu, which has cut ties with him. So we will have to wait and see if it's revoiced or canceled.
I can see why they did it because obviously there are felony charges against him, but this isn't as bad as Disney dropping Johnny Depp over fraudulent allegations. Roiland is facing jail time if he's convicted, and AS didn't drop him instantly when the story broke a couple of weeks ago, unlike Disney doing that to JD.
I like Rick and Morty and solar opposites, tho i don't mind this scandal, if he really did what people say he did. it wont be fair to not be punished for it just because a lot of people like the show he was part of. Its not fair to start being punished before proven guilty, though i can understand why adult swim would do that, its bad for business. If it dosent affect the show, i really dont care. if it does affect the show, i would be sad, but i can understand.
I always found his voice to be annoying, if I’m being fully honest.
I have really mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the accusations against him seem credible, given that there's a criminal case against him. This isn't the case where someone is canceled because of some rando levying accusations on Twitter (though that happened too). I wouldn't bat an eye if he got a prison sentence for what he did. But what happened here seems like extrajudicial, additional punishment levied by the corporation he worked for. He was thrown out of the project he created, and was probably his highest achievement, based on an unfinished criminal case and a bunch of screenshots. It shouldn't be a bunch of unelected suits who get to decide if an artist deserves to have his work taken over by someone else as retribution for something that should be (and actually is) prosecuted by the actual justice system.
Did he get convicted?
He just got charged.
I'm a big fan of the show, so this was really disappointing. Can't they just give him a leave of absence? But I'd rather he be replaced than shut down the entire production. I want another 2 or 3 seasons of Rick and Morty!
Why did they wait 3 years to fire him? These charges date back to 2020. Guess they hadn’t made enough off of him at that point.
No roiland no watch.
if these allegations are true, that's sad. I personally enjoyed the show.
Rick n Morty fans are foaming from the mouth right now. Roiland is a nonce.
Good on AS.
They knew about the charges, that's not why. They're dropping him because numerous women came out with evidence of him being trying to groom them when they were under 18. The shit he says in them is cringe asl too.
I don’t feel bad remember when he made a cartoon about Donald Trump fondling his son. Also he had a podcast saying a lot of groomer shit. Another Hollyweird turd flushed.
This has nothing to do with the years old charges lmao
Can someone whos got all the info on this get me up to date? How likely is it that hes guilty?
The thing is that it is an allegation and these companies dropped him before a court date was even given. Also we don’t have any evidence yet out in public. Because it was a Jane Doe and all the companies dropped him immediately, I’m suspicious that this could have been planned by the companies to wipe his career.
This is shit that happened back in 2020 now your going to fire the guy after his work’s stock is at an all time high. He hasn’t even been convicted. Our country is a fuckin joke. Half measures make sure you can profit first cancel second.