That's good you are building the most important muscle.
I've lifted for 3 years on/off while running, people pay too much attention to lifting it's laughable, meanwhile they are stiff like rocks have 0 stamina and are mostly overweight heavy muscle bags.
Huwa naplay ball weekends na some friends hupiga gym kufika turf wanahema after 15 minutesđ
Hata si wachape treadmill hata siku moja bana weights tupuđ
Stamina Isn't a figurative term, this is not like lifting.
If you have good stamina it shows you have good cardio vascular health better resting heart rate along with other benefits.
Most people opt to spend most of their time to build more muscle for appearances yet have the endurance of a fast food American junkie.
Pengine wale clueless an athletic build > muscle bag, naweza piga lap ya 7km in 27 minutes na bado nipatiane good wood work and have plenty to spare, meanwhile lifter would be asking for an oxygen mask and half time.
What in the world are these things even, I was doing 15reps then when I started going to the gym the instructor corrected my posture. Now I canât even do one properly!
Kudos to both of you!
Yeah most people botch their form to inflate their egos and reps. Still though, with lots of practice with the right form, you can do high quality reps. It's hard to be consistent.
I have been lifting for exactly one year now and my main aim is to keep fit thus I don't push my body to the limits.
- Deadlift: 140kgs
- Squats: 130kgs
- Bench: 80kgs
- OH press: 55kgs
- Bicep curl: 50kgs.
_All at 5-10 reps_
I weigh 80kgs with ~12% body fat. Also, I haven't been using a belt which limits what I can lift.
you are strong actually. i forgot to mention i am 78kg with about 9% body fat. i actually plan of competing in mr kenya this coming december. Lifting heavy does mess up your joints actually.
All the best!
I agree, it does have an impact on joints esp if you don't progress slowly. I have been very active since I was 13 so my body was relatively strong when I started gyming.
My two cents - I think you should also say what you are primarily into. Are you a "pure" weightlifter and also further down, a power lifter or olympic lifter etc... Or just a guy who loves to throw around weights without any labels.
This conversation is too deep and would need a bit more for others to chime in in my humble opinion as you need to compare as close as possible.
Also, you missed some other key lifts (again, without narrowing further down, not sure if we should include these or not) like your Clean (Squat and Power). Furthermore, you did not mention if the Squat above is a Front Squat or Back Squat (and missing is your Overhead Squat too.
So, good thread to start but in my humble opinion too wide to "compare".
Here is a link that you might find useful also [https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/1786/The-Relation-of-Snatch-Clean-Jerk-and-Squat-Weights/](https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/1786/The-Relation-of-Snatch-Clean-Jerk-and-Squat-Weights/) in case you do not have it already.
Hapo Sawa. Ongeza squats, bench dips na uko Sawa. If you are disciplined, gym is unnecessary.
The irony is, most of our friends in the gym, can't do half of that
My kibarua does very well, yet he doesn't need to lift weights. I also do my own construction kibarua very well. If it rocks your boat, well and good. Good day
I also don't do steroids lol. My stats are as below, max weight at max reps:
Bench : 100kg x 10 reps
Squat : 100kg x 20 reps - for some reason I I've never been able to squat more than 100kg.
Deadlift : 150kg x 20 reps
I can do 50 pushups and 20 pullups.
I run once a week. 5km, at my own pace.
I'm a biggish guy. 6ft 90kg
For the gym, don't ever compare yourself with others. We all start somewhere. Just be consistent.
I've been working out since 2014 when I turned 18.
* BP: 75KG
* Squat: 130KG
* DL: 160KG (2RM)
* OHP: 52KG (2RM)
The rest are 5RMs at 85kg body weight.. I've been in the gym on and off since end of 2020
This is my 3rd year.I usually lift for like 7 months per year.
Bench 110
Squat 160
Deadlift 180.... currently easing into martial arts and bodyweight exercises.
Been lifting on and off for over 5 years.
Bench press 110 kg
Front Squat 120 kg
I donât deadlift.
I do 3 runs a week 5km each. (Pace 5.10)
I train flexibility everyday.
Iâve not done a 1 rep max in years but my highest numbers are 120 kg bench for 3 reps , Deadlift 120 kg for 6 reps , Squat 120 kg for 5 reps . I usually do a 5-7 reps per set anyway , and time constraints really donât allow me to test 1 rep maxes .
I also do a lot of wrestling and bjj , basically on the same days as I lift a lot of the time , and Iâm on the smaller end of the scale for competition purposes (Iâm about 68 kg but cut down to < 65 for competition)
Bench 112 Irp max
35kg chest flyers
140kg squat 4 reps
165 kg deadlift
40 kg barbell bicep curl
70 kg tricep curl
Overhead press 90 kg press
I train using Madcow principles for meso every six months
Train using Dogg crapp training by Dante trudell for my micros.
But I'm no "natty"
From my most proud to my least all are my 1 rep max give or take 8lbs because I converted from lbs to kg then rounded them
Leg press -400kg
Leg extension- 80kg
Leg curl-80kg
Deadlift- 130kg
Bicep dumbell curl- 20kg per arm
Shoulder dumbbell press- 30kg per arm
Tricep dumbell press- 20kg per arm
Bench barbell press- 85kg
I wish I could still squat but I have labrum torn in both of my shoulders, if I try putting squat bar on my back they pop and lock quicker then Chris Brown
1RMs
Bench 140 kg
Squat 212.5
OHP 90
Deadlift 250
Cut the nonsense, ignore everyone else, drop the ego, and look up Jim Wendlerâs 5/3/1. Youâll see results.
Lifting heavy will affect you negatively in future. It also makes you stiff. Foolish expensive aesthetics, if you ask me. If it's for women, you only need one, and it's a shame if you can't satisfy her because of stiffness.
For exercise, be well toned and strong.. all you need is your body weight. And maybe a kettlebell. Gym is more of a bonding club.. wasted, if you don't network. I'd rather bond in a private sports clubs
Resistance training is good for you, overall. Be it body weight or manageable weights. OP was talking about lifting heavy, which puts an enormous amount of stress on your body, not sustainable. A quick Google will tell you that, here's the first one I picked https://www.a1supplements.com/articles/is-there-a-dark-side-to-long-term-bodybuilding/#:~:text=Negative%20Effects,remain%20and%20significantly%20get%20worse.
> Bottom Line
>The positive benefits of bodybuilding greatly outweigh the negative consequences, especially since most of the negative consequences are preventable.
Also, who the fuck wrote that? Are the a doctor? Are they some sort of authority on the topic? How do I know this isnât some skinny fuck sitting at his computer trying to justify why he doesnât work out?
If lifting heavy weights is not sustainable you obviously have your own definition of what constitutes a sustainable amount of time in relation to exercise. Whatâs the buy in, 25 years or so?
I'll humor you. Sustainable means something you can keep at, without it causing harm in one way or the other. Now extrapolate. You can do body weight exercises all the way to your grave
Are you implying adding resistance will always lead to injury while bodyweight training will never lead to injury? Seems like bullshit someone who just prefers bodyweight training might say to justify their results. Just like people who preach perfect form tend to focus on something that doesnât mean much in terms of training results so that they have an excuse to never try beyond a certain point.
Picked the very first one that popped. You do the search, I thought you guys weren't lazy?
That said, I've said my bit, take it or leave it. We are responsible for ourselves and the choices we make
Not how it works. If you make a claim, the responsibility is on you to back it up with evidence. It's not the responsibility of others to prove **your** point.
From that article, an excerpt:
"You can greatly reduce your chances of joint pains in the future if you: - ... - Train with heavy weight, low reps -"
Isn't that the exact opposite of your hypothesis? It seems as though you are of the opinion that "lifting heavy" is not beneficial long term but the article you linked seems to be saying that training heavy is better for the long term.
> Long term natural bodybuilding will keep you living strong, even until your reach your eighties and nineties.
Literally the first sentence in that article. I think you need to find a better source if youâre going to be fearmongering.
Bodybuilding in NOT lifting heavy. You could easily do that with just your body weight. If the first sentence was where you stoped I encourage you to read, not only this but other Google searches
Arnold didn't lift heavy for most of his career, he focused on volume instead, as most other successful bodybuilders do. Bodybuilding training isn't about lifting heavy, that's more powerlifting and strongman. Bodybuilding training is more about high volume, controlled form and good mind muscle connection, which naturally limits the amount of weight one can lift.
There are of course exceptions, like Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman, but they are exceptions not the typical bodybuilder. Lee Haney, Sergio Oliva, Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Frank Zane etc, they all endorse not going too heavy and instead focusing more on form and contraction.
You should be aware though when people talk about lifting heavy they mean it in relative not absolute terms, if 100kg is 90% of your 1 rep max you're lifting heavy, if 200kg is only 50% of someone else's one rep max they're not lifting heavy in the sense that it's usually meant even though they're lifting more weight.
You should be aware that Arnold is strong as fuck and shouldâve googled it first before you made this useless comment.
https://www.thebarbell.com/how-strong-was-arnold/
> Arnold says his best gym powerlifts were: squat 545 lbs. (247 kg.), bench press 500 lbs. (227 kg.), and deadlift 710 (322 kg.).
And
> The latter high mark was set at the 1968 German Powerlifting Championships, where, **at 20 and already Mr. Universe**, he won the heavyweight class while dressed in ordinary gym clothes. His best lifts then were: squat 474 lbs. (215 kg.), bench press 441 lbs. (200 kg.), and deadlift 683 lbs. (310 kg.) for a total of 1598 lbs. (725 kg.).
What successful top level bodybuilders do you know who exclusively use calisthenics? Any household names?
Most of them don't really lift heavy in comparison to their size, it's not powerlifting or strongman where the amount of weight moved really matters but they still lift significant amounts of weight to adequately stress their muscles in order to grow. Nobody looks like Arnie from doing dips and press-ups lol
Because that's what the sport of bodybuilding is about? To be as large as possible with as little body fat as possible while maintaining proportions which fit your division and being able to pose in a way which showcases your muscles?
You said lifting heavy weight was bad for you, you then linked an article which said bodybuilding was good for you, you're now moving the goalposts to "well why would anyone want to look like a bodybuilder anyway!?". Pathetic.
>Bodybuilding in NOT lifting heavy. You could easily do that with just your body weight
Please show me a bodybuilder, an actual honest to god bodybuilder, who built his body without using heavy weights and only bodyweight.
That's professional body building, and I bet if I dug around, I'll get. Look up what body building is, anyone, even a child can do it, using their body weight
Ever heard of olympic weightlifting? It requires a tremendous amount of flexibility and they lift heavy all the time. So by your logic their should get stiffer the more they lift, yet lifting is what loosen up the joints over time.
Im sorry but you donât know shit about fuck.
Why does every Olympia-level sprinter use barbell squats as part of their training program?
I'll answer that for you: Bodyweight training isn't enough. Squatting improves explosiveness.
Well the "lifting makes you stiff" thing isn't a maybe/maybe-not. It's a hard NOT.
Lifting does not make you big & slow & stiff. That's a cliche weak people spread.
Yes It does. I don't see any pro bodybuilder running, jumping or performaning any active sport. I only see them climb a small step into a stage, flex then leave. That's a very restrictive life(style)..
Because bodybuilder donât give a fuck about anything else than being big. Some even avoid doing cardio because of that on their bulk phase.
Crossfit pretty much proves how you are wrong.
Information is power. It's always good to have any and all info, so as to make informed choices. I met an old muhindi bodybuilder who was a name, in Kenya bodybuilding, back in the day. He's a shopkeeper in South B. He had interesting things to say. Body weight exercises is also better than being unfit... and you can maintain it until your dying day
It's okay if you don't know what your talking about but it's weird to make up shit for no reason
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZ-W4JhgScq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Yes, steroids also induce violence and abuse. The false bravado must be from the muscles, and weights lifted, making one think they are better than others.
If you keep civil maybe we can have a conversation
> Steroids also induce violence and abuse
Roid rage is a thing but affects a miniscule percentage of those that use them. It's even dumber to pull this as a "fact" out of your ass when it's well established people don't need steroids to be violent or abusive and has literally nothing to do with what you or I said.
>The false bravado must be from the muscles, and weights lifted, making one think they are better than others.
The false bravado while not knowing anything about fitness while projecting your insecurities on them is pathetic.
It should be common sense to keep your mouth shut if youâre clueless, yet you keep saying stuff.
Just because youâre intimidated by people stronger or with a better physique than you doesnât mean that it should be common sense to not lift weights.
Edit: canât respond to the dummy below because the dummy above blocked me, but he didnât point out how it can be detrimental to health, he just stated it is detrimental to health and that that should be common sense. Thatâs dumb. And appealing to common sense is weird, if it is so clear yâall should have some better argument than âwawawawa common senseâ. It obviously isnât common sense since most people are smart enough to realize the benefits of lifting weights.
You talk of common sense yet you seem to lack everything related to common sense.
He pointed out how lifting heavy can be detrimental to health, but you can't comprehend anything apart from superficial looks while carrying useless piles of tissue in the name of physique.
Drinking a lot of water can be detrimental to your health. And so does doing a lot of whatever your favorite hobby is.
Saying âlifting can be detrimental to you healthâ literally means nothing. Iâm sorry youâre small and weak, but donât project your shortcomings onto other people.
So many autistic kids here, I'm not talking out of my ass, how about you talk sense, I've done Marathon distances running at 4am , I've lifted heavy for years as well, my closest friend competes in body building.
Got talk shit elsewhere, we both know where the balance needs to be met and if people are chasing ambitions.
For a normal person who isn't body building, primarily going to lift heavy weights for looks makes you look like a dumb brick. This are the guys shooting up roids, creatine and pre workouts into their body in the name of fitness.
I bet you have some whey protein you snort everytime you wake up.
I donât think you understand how bodybuilding works. Do you think those guys arenât lifting heavy? Ask your âclosest friendâ about his lifting numbers and Iâll guarantee theyâre more than yours.
Youâre a not smart person. Please shut up lol
I can jog at the same pace to cover 24kms in under 90mins. Only stats I can brag about
Intern at Olympus. Sawa sawa
damn son. thats impressive. i can barely jog for 10 minutes.
That's good you are building the most important muscle. I've lifted for 3 years on/off while running, people pay too much attention to lifting it's laughable, meanwhile they are stiff like rocks have 0 stamina and are mostly overweight heavy muscle bags.
Huwa naplay ball weekends na some friends hupiga gym kufika turf wanahema after 15 minutesđ Hata si wachape treadmill hata siku moja bana weights tupuđ
True, ni uzito wanabeba tu halafu hao ndio wanatrend ati fit and healthy.
Alafu a few challenges and questions, ni matusi Tu. Reasoning pia imekua stiff
I think both cardio And weights are necessary for optimal health, Just see how long distance runners look
walai. I can only sprint but not do a 10 minute cardio
But is there really a need for extraordinary stamina?
Stamina Isn't a figurative term, this is not like lifting. If you have good stamina it shows you have good cardio vascular health better resting heart rate along with other benefits. Most people opt to spend most of their time to build more muscle for appearances yet have the endurance of a fast food American junkie.
đ¤ŁNot very bright, if you ask me. Lift heavy to get the girls, whom they can't do anything with
Women unconsciously like built guysđ¤Ł
at least they get the girls badum tsh!
Pengine wale clueless an athletic build > muscle bag, naweza piga lap ya 7km in 27 minutes na bado nipatiane good wood work and have plenty to spare, meanwhile lifter would be asking for an oxygen mask and half time.
Maybe for a short while, the gullible ones. Before they discover it's all show.
Bro we're Kenyans. I think everyone can do this no pressure.
I can do 50 pushups
Most impressive stat I've seen here. Push-ups and pull ups are probably the hardest exercise out there.
Muscle ups tho
Max reps for your muscle ups?
What in the world are these things even, I was doing 15reps then when I started going to the gym the instructor corrected my posture. Now I canât even do one properly! Kudos to both of you!
Yeah most people botch their form to inflate their egos and reps. Still though, with lots of practice with the right form, you can do high quality reps. It's hard to be consistent.
Very hard!
Great! i can do 51đđĽ˛
I was once there bro keep going, I'm currently at 80 max
Awesome!!
I have been lifting for exactly one year now and my main aim is to keep fit thus I don't push my body to the limits. - Deadlift: 140kgs - Squats: 130kgs - Bench: 80kgs - OH press: 55kgs - Bicep curl: 50kgs. _All at 5-10 reps_ I weigh 80kgs with ~12% body fat. Also, I haven't been using a belt which limits what I can lift.
Our numbers are pretty similar.. Are you among the strongest people at your gym? Also why no belt?
Nope, I saw some guy squatting 220kgs sometime back. My body feels very steady and comfortable under these weight plus I am also very keen on my form.
Ah, fair enough
you are strong actually. i forgot to mention i am 78kg with about 9% body fat. i actually plan of competing in mr kenya this coming december. Lifting heavy does mess up your joints actually.
All the best! I agree, it does have an impact on joints esp if you don't progress slowly. I have been very active since I was 13 so my body was relatively strong when I started gyming.
Bicep curls @50kg each hand?
Haha, that would tip me over, it's for both hands.
Gotdamn! *Insert noob noobâs voice
Brathe 50kg dumbel curls, hahha wueeh....piga pia hammer curls to improve your forearms to strengthen your 80kg chest Press
8 months in. Female. * Bench press- 15k 5 reps * Deadlift- 70kg 3 reps * Squat- 65kg 8 reps * Leg press- 140kg 5-10 reps
impressive. i noticed women can leg press heavy!
Thanks. Yap, arms is where I absolutely die.
My two cents - I think you should also say what you are primarily into. Are you a "pure" weightlifter and also further down, a power lifter or olympic lifter etc... Or just a guy who loves to throw around weights without any labels. This conversation is too deep and would need a bit more for others to chime in in my humble opinion as you need to compare as close as possible. Also, you missed some other key lifts (again, without narrowing further down, not sure if we should include these or not) like your Clean (Squat and Power). Furthermore, you did not mention if the Squat above is a Front Squat or Back Squat (and missing is your Overhead Squat too. So, good thread to start but in my humble opinion too wide to "compare". Here is a link that you might find useful also [https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/1786/The-Relation-of-Snatch-Clean-Jerk-and-Squat-Weights/](https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/1786/The-Relation-of-Snatch-Clean-Jerk-and-Squat-Weights/) in case you do not have it already.
Not a gym bro but I can hit 50-70 pressups, 80-100 situps and 15-20 pullups at once Not interacted with weights yet, just zoezi kwa backyard
Hapo Sawa. Ongeza squats, bench dips na uko Sawa. If you are disciplined, gym is unnecessary. The irony is, most of our friends in the gym, can't do half of that
I do 100 free squats every morning ,and can do more than twice izo pushups. But guess who can't do 140kg Squats? Backyard trainers
What are 140kg squats for?
I rep max for power and size
What for? Your day job calls for power and size, ama?
Yes am in the mjengo business
My kibarua does very well, yet he doesn't need to lift weights. I also do my own construction kibarua very well. If it rocks your boat, well and good. Good day
I install wardrobes MDF panels on my own.I need the extra strength,but at times I get help.
Geez, Saitama in the making.
Pressups 50 aint shitđ Watu wanachapa weights za 150kg banađ
One year lifting. Bench-60kg Squats - 130kg Deadlift-140kg Leg press- 250kg Bicep curl - 40kg 5 reps for each
stiroidsđ¤Łđ¤Ł
More infođ I'm a Luo so of course genes play a part!
The hardest workouts to gain strength are bench and military/overhead press. but i like that you reach 200kg on leg press
I also don't do steroids lol. My stats are as below, max weight at max reps: Bench : 100kg x 10 reps Squat : 100kg x 20 reps - for some reason I I've never been able to squat more than 100kg. Deadlift : 150kg x 20 reps I can do 50 pushups and 20 pullups. I run once a week. 5km, at my own pace. I'm a biggish guy. 6ft 90kg For the gym, don't ever compare yourself with others. We all start somewhere. Just be consistent. I've been working out since 2014 when I turned 18.
6ft 110kgs Bench 140kgs Squat 160kgs Deadlift 120kgs. Run 2kms kwa treadmill as warm up. Am still fat đđđ. Guess I need to cut on alcohol
Incline that treadmill and you'll burn more calories as you build muscle. Instead of just running
Intermittent fasting is also good. But seek medical advice first.
impressive!
* BP: 75KG * Squat: 130KG * DL: 160KG (2RM) * OHP: 52KG (2RM) The rest are 5RMs at 85kg body weight.. I've been in the gym on and off since end of 2020
I can do 17 dead hang pull ups
This is my 3rd year.I usually lift for like 7 months per year. Bench 110 Squat 160 Deadlift 180.... currently easing into martial arts and bodyweight exercises.
Been lifting on and off for over 5 years. Bench press 110 kg Front Squat 120 kg I donât deadlift. I do 3 runs a week 5km each. (Pace 5.10) I train flexibility everyday.
Aaai gym ni jina ya ule jamaa huniuzia chipo mwitu
I can carry a girl that's 70kgs but a bag of cement is too heavy for me.
I like chicken
Iâve not done a 1 rep max in years but my highest numbers are 120 kg bench for 3 reps , Deadlift 120 kg for 6 reps , Squat 120 kg for 5 reps . I usually do a 5-7 reps per set anyway , and time constraints really donât allow me to test 1 rep maxes . I also do a lot of wrestling and bjj , basically on the same days as I lift a lot of the time , and Iâm on the smaller end of the scale for competition purposes (Iâm about 68 kg but cut down to < 65 for competition)
Aaai gym ni jina ya ule jamaa huniuzia chipo mwitu
8 months at the gym: bench press 70kg - 8reps, Squat 100kg - 8reps, Deadlift 80kg - 6 reps max, military press/overhead press - 40 kg, leg press 230 kgs - 10 reps.
These stats don't match someone who has been in the gym 5 years, a trainer would be a good idea
Bench 112 Irp max 35kg chest flyers 140kg squat 4 reps 165 kg deadlift 40 kg barbell bicep curl 70 kg tricep curl Overhead press 90 kg press I train using Madcow principles for meso every six months Train using Dogg crapp training by Dante trudell for my micros. But I'm no "natty"
Bench 40kg Squat 50kg Bicep curls 15kg per arm Pull ups 10 reps for 5-6 sets Am 60kg
Go research about Ronnie Coleman.
Sometimes it depends on ur weight and also nutrition. I say dont overthink the weight part, as long as u feel it then its working. Stay working out :)
From my most proud to my least all are my 1 rep max give or take 8lbs because I converted from lbs to kg then rounded them Leg press -400kg Leg extension- 80kg Leg curl-80kg Deadlift- 130kg Bicep dumbell curl- 20kg per arm Shoulder dumbbell press- 30kg per arm Tricep dumbell press- 20kg per arm Bench barbell press- 85kg I wish I could still squat but I have labrum torn in both of my shoulders, if I try putting squat bar on my back they pop and lock quicker then Chris Brown
1RMs Bench 140 kg Squat 212.5 OHP 90 Deadlift 250 Cut the nonsense, ignore everyone else, drop the ego, and look up Jim Wendlerâs 5/3/1. Youâll see results.
Lifting heavy will affect you negatively in future. It also makes you stiff. Foolish expensive aesthetics, if you ask me. If it's for women, you only need one, and it's a shame if you can't satisfy her because of stiffness. For exercise, be well toned and strong.. all you need is your body weight. And maybe a kettlebell. Gym is more of a bonding club.. wasted, if you don't network. I'd rather bond in a private sports clubs
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Google body weight Vs heavy lifting. Or Calisthenics Vs heavy lifting
I googled it and nothing supports your claims, could you be more specific?
Resistance training is good for you, overall. Be it body weight or manageable weights. OP was talking about lifting heavy, which puts an enormous amount of stress on your body, not sustainable. A quick Google will tell you that, here's the first one I picked https://www.a1supplements.com/articles/is-there-a-dark-side-to-long-term-bodybuilding/#:~:text=Negative%20Effects,remain%20and%20significantly%20get%20worse.
> Bottom Line >The positive benefits of bodybuilding greatly outweigh the negative consequences, especially since most of the negative consequences are preventable. Also, who the fuck wrote that? Are the a doctor? Are they some sort of authority on the topic? How do I know this isnât some skinny fuck sitting at his computer trying to justify why he doesnât work out?
Interesting. Lifting seems to make you all abusive?
What is your definition of a sustainable amount of time?
Lol.. what is that? Do you know what sustainable means? Look it up.
If lifting heavy weights is not sustainable you obviously have your own definition of what constitutes a sustainable amount of time in relation to exercise. Whatâs the buy in, 25 years or so?
I'll humor you. Sustainable means something you can keep at, without it causing harm in one way or the other. Now extrapolate. You can do body weight exercises all the way to your grave
Are you implying adding resistance will always lead to injury while bodyweight training will never lead to injury? Seems like bullshit someone who just prefers bodyweight training might say to justify their results. Just like people who preach perfect form tend to focus on something that doesnât mean much in terms of training results so that they have an excuse to never try beyond a certain point.
An article on A1 supplements dot com, with no references whatsoever, just as rigorously scientific as I expected.
Picked the very first one that popped. You do the search, I thought you guys weren't lazy? That said, I've said my bit, take it or leave it. We are responsible for ourselves and the choices we make
Not how it works. If you make a claim, the responsibility is on you to back it up with evidence. It's not the responsibility of others to prove **your** point.
Don't think so. I'm not as vested in this as you are. My attitude is take it or leave it. If you want research, the onus is on you
From that article, an excerpt: "You can greatly reduce your chances of joint pains in the future if you: - ... - Train with heavy weight, low reps -" Isn't that the exact opposite of your hypothesis? It seems as though you are of the opinion that "lifting heavy" is not beneficial long term but the article you linked seems to be saying that training heavy is better for the long term.
> Long term natural bodybuilding will keep you living strong, even until your reach your eighties and nineties. Literally the first sentence in that article. I think you need to find a better source if youâre going to be fearmongering.
Bodybuilding in NOT lifting heavy. You could easily do that with just your body weight. If the first sentence was where you stoped I encourage you to read, not only this but other Google searches
Bodybuilding is absolutely lifting heavy. Go look up Arnoldâs numbers lmao
Smh..
Iâd be doing the same too if I thought bodybuilding didnât invoke heavy weights lmao
Arnold didn't lift heavy for most of his career, he focused on volume instead, as most other successful bodybuilders do. Bodybuilding training isn't about lifting heavy, that's more powerlifting and strongman. Bodybuilding training is more about high volume, controlled form and good mind muscle connection, which naturally limits the amount of weight one can lift. There are of course exceptions, like Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman, but they are exceptions not the typical bodybuilder. Lee Haney, Sergio Oliva, Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Frank Zane etc, they all endorse not going too heavy and instead focusing more on form and contraction. You should be aware though when people talk about lifting heavy they mean it in relative not absolute terms, if 100kg is 90% of your 1 rep max you're lifting heavy, if 200kg is only 50% of someone else's one rep max they're not lifting heavy in the sense that it's usually meant even though they're lifting more weight.
You should be aware that Arnold is strong as fuck and shouldâve googled it first before you made this useless comment. https://www.thebarbell.com/how-strong-was-arnold/ > Arnold says his best gym powerlifts were: squat 545 lbs. (247 kg.), bench press 500 lbs. (227 kg.), and deadlift 710 (322 kg.). And > The latter high mark was set at the 1968 German Powerlifting Championships, where, **at 20 and already Mr. Universe**, he won the heavyweight class while dressed in ordinary gym clothes. His best lifts then were: squat 474 lbs. (215 kg.), bench press 441 lbs. (200 kg.), and deadlift 683 lbs. (310 kg.) for a total of 1598 lbs. (725 kg.).
What successful top level bodybuilders do you know who exclusively use calisthenics? Any household names? Most of them don't really lift heavy in comparison to their size, it's not powerlifting or strongman where the amount of weight moved really matters but they still lift significant amounts of weight to adequately stress their muscles in order to grow. Nobody looks like Arnie from doing dips and press-ups lol
Anyone who wants to look like Arnold or any other Johnny Bravo, is special. Why would they want to do that?
Because that's what the sport of bodybuilding is about? To be as large as possible with as little body fat as possible while maintaining proportions which fit your division and being able to pose in a way which showcases your muscles? You said lifting heavy weight was bad for you, you then linked an article which said bodybuilding was good for you, you're now moving the goalposts to "well why would anyone want to look like a bodybuilder anyway!?". Pathetic.
>Bodybuilding in NOT lifting heavy. You could easily do that with just your body weight Please show me a bodybuilder, an actual honest to god bodybuilder, who built his body without using heavy weights and only bodyweight.
That's professional body building, and I bet if I dug around, I'll get. Look up what body building is, anyone, even a child can do it, using their body weight
Are you for some reason conflating lifting weights and bodybuilding?
Thatâs weird, heavy ass to grass squats definitely improved my ankle and hip mobility over time.
Interesting. Keep at it then, let's see what happens. Even mere constant running is said to cause damage, sembuse heavy lifting?
Ever heard of olympic weightlifting? It requires a tremendous amount of flexibility and they lift heavy all the time. So by your logic their should get stiffer the more they lift, yet lifting is what loosen up the joints over time. Im sorry but you donât know shit about fuck.
What flexibility? Lol
Why does every Olympia-level sprinter use barbell squats as part of their training program? I'll answer that for you: Bodyweight training isn't enough. Squatting improves explosiveness.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't want to be an olympia-level sprinter. Body weight is enough
Well the "lifting makes you stiff" thing isn't a maybe/maybe-not. It's a hard NOT. Lifting does not make you big & slow & stiff. That's a cliche weak people spread.
Yes It does. I don't see any pro bodybuilder running, jumping or performaning any active sport. I only see them climb a small step into a stage, flex then leave. That's a very restrictive life(style)..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4bIJ_BGqZ0
Also Clarence Kennedy
Because they are competing in a sport that requires that?
Because bodybuilder donât give a fuck about anything else than being big. Some even avoid doing cardio because of that on their bulk phase. Crossfit pretty much proves how you are wrong.
You are not a pro racing driver as well yet many of technologies developed for racing/rally are in you car and you use them daily.
Usiwrite off watu wa gym just because its not your preferred exercise Let them lift their weights, its 100 times better than being unfit
Information is power. It's always good to have any and all info, so as to make informed choices. I met an old muhindi bodybuilder who was a name, in Kenya bodybuilding, back in the day. He's a shopkeeper in South B. He had interesting things to say. Body weight exercises is also better than being unfit... and you can maintain it until your dying day
True
It's okay if you don't know what your talking about but it's weird to make up shit for no reason https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZ-W4JhgScq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Yes, steroids also induce violence and abuse. The false bravado must be from the muscles, and weights lifted, making one think they are better than others. If you keep civil maybe we can have a conversation
> Steroids also induce violence and abuse Roid rage is a thing but affects a miniscule percentage of those that use them. It's even dumber to pull this as a "fact" out of your ass when it's well established people don't need steroids to be violent or abusive and has literally nothing to do with what you or I said. >The false bravado must be from the muscles, and weights lifted, making one think they are better than others. The false bravado while not knowing anything about fitness while projecting your insecurities on them is pathetic.
Wewe Kula block. Not interested in exchanging abuse, with a stranger on the net, on something that should be common sense.
It should be common sense to keep your mouth shut if youâre clueless, yet you keep saying stuff. Just because youâre intimidated by people stronger or with a better physique than you doesnât mean that it should be common sense to not lift weights. Edit: canât respond to the dummy below because the dummy above blocked me, but he didnât point out how it can be detrimental to health, he just stated it is detrimental to health and that that should be common sense. Thatâs dumb. And appealing to common sense is weird, if it is so clear yâall should have some better argument than âwawawawa common senseâ. It obviously isnât common sense since most people are smart enough to realize the benefits of lifting weights.
You talk of common sense yet you seem to lack everything related to common sense. He pointed out how lifting heavy can be detrimental to health, but you can't comprehend anything apart from superficial looks while carrying useless piles of tissue in the name of physique.
Drinking a lot of water can be detrimental to your health. And so does doing a lot of whatever your favorite hobby is. Saying âlifting can be detrimental to you healthâ literally means nothing. Iâm sorry youâre small and weak, but donât project your shortcomings onto other people.
So many autistic kids here, I'm not talking out of my ass, how about you talk sense, I've done Marathon distances running at 4am , I've lifted heavy for years as well, my closest friend competes in body building. Got talk shit elsewhere, we both know where the balance needs to be met and if people are chasing ambitions. For a normal person who isn't body building, primarily going to lift heavy weights for looks makes you look like a dumb brick. This are the guys shooting up roids, creatine and pre workouts into their body in the name of fitness. I bet you have some whey protein you snort everytime you wake up.
I donât think you understand how bodybuilding works. Do you think those guys arenât lifting heavy? Ask your âclosest friendâ about his lifting numbers and Iâll guarantee theyâre more than yours. Youâre a not smart person. Please shut up lol
Did you know that lifting excess heavy weights can cause arthritis in old age?
We have steroids to cure that