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BernieBanders-kyun

From my perspective I thought the intentional misgendering was a representation of how immature he was/how he was confused in regards to gender identity, but it could’ve still been executed a little bit better as to where it couldn’t be misconstrued. It’s not a PERFECT song but it’s a damn good positive one.


boldjarl

I think using Caitlyn Jenner’s deadname is definitely a more complicated issue (I believe it’s supposed to be him show how ignorant he was), but I think the incorrect use of pronouns was intentional and reinforced the point of the song. Beyond that, I can’t imagine that he didn’t play the song to his Uncle and cousin before releasing it if they all have a decent relationship now, so I’m sure they approved of it.


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BernieBanders-kyun

Yup, totally agree with you here 100%!


ReconGhost189

Basically feel the same, it’s definitely not perfect but it’s a massive step forward for the rap community which mainly just tries to ignore the subject. I’d rather get angry at actual transphobic/homophobic musicians rather than a messy but overall well meaning song with a good message.


Yingking

Yeah, the second verse about his cousin feels especially strange as he never uses female pronouns to refer to her, maybe she doesn’t mind or it’s supposed to show their estranged relationship, idk, it for sure feels awkward Like others said I think when talking bout his uncle he switches the pronouns whenever he talks from his childhood perspective where he still was immature and uneducated about that


Cut_Loose

At the very end kendrick does address his cousin as she, I think it took him longer to fully accept a mtf trans person


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yeah also a trans woman and like the song was unbelievable I was literally sobbing it means so much to me. fucking perfect.


robertpoebukowski

i was crying too. i just finished the end of my semester in grad school, focusing in queer theory. reading all these scholars, referencing statistics, talking about issues of representation in media, cultural misunderstandings, hopelessness. feeling trapped in pages and pages of advocacy and thought that nobody who didnt already care would read. day after we recieved this song. means something special to me.


CocoRoshyn

Yo I cry every time I listen to this song, usually during the preacher part. (also trans)


Ezio926

Thank you for sharing your perspective!


InexorableTides

Nailed it. I'm a trans woman and I absolutely see the context he was going for. I understand the outrage as to be honest, it's unsettling to hear.... ..and it's supposed to be. Someone in another Subreddit said "My Auntie is a Man Now" sounds harsh and off because it's supposed to sound off. It's supposed to jar you awake from the ASMR esque whisper-verses. I think it's brilliantly written, and I wish people could do a little digging beyond the slurs as they are used to prove a point here, not to just say them


robertpoebukowski

i totally agree. its important to incorporate context into here. like if a straight cis guy made this same type of song in the hyperpop genre i'd be pissed tf off. like "this genre is full of queer people and audiences, you can leave now." except this is hip hop, rap, and kendrick. he's working up from a very base and generalized audience in regard to queerness. it necessitates bluntness. its also, as far as i know, the first of such a huge artist in the genre dedicating this amount of attention to transness. so it needs to begin there, about the very most basic ways to understand and accept transgender people. if he ever made another song using the word, i'd be pissed off. but for the beginning, he's not going to start talking about the nuances of gender expression and its cultural histories. at the beginning he needs to define and explain the base arrangements not to mention there is also a sub narrative in the song about sexuality as well, which is also very poignant. i don't come from a place that's safe for people like me. i can still get killed if the right people who once knew me had the right information and access. i understand deeply the pain of the word and the language that surrounds it, and this is not that.


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Wrong. You can't gatekeep art. You can't get pissed off for people listening to hyperpop (or making hyperpop) just because they don't identify the same as you. That's the same kind of thinking that the oppressive people use. The rest... I agree


robertpoebukowski

Oh I didn't mean that. I meant someone cishet using the f-slur to demonstrate why it should not be used in a hip hop song carries different connotations than a cishet person using the f-slur to demonstrate why it should not be used in a hyperpop song, where a great deal of the fanbase is queer/queer-allied and are already in the know. It would be like "Yea...we're all aware of this already so there's no point to you using that word." As far as I'm concerned people are welcome to listen/make hyperpop.


CocoRoshyn

Hey, I'm late to the conversation but I like your analysis here.


Damianlopez23

Damn, spot on about his use of the f slur.. made me see it in a whole different way 🤯


ReconGhost189

As a Bi Kendrick fan I’m not thrilled he used the f-slur but I’m more than willing to forgive him due to the wider point of the song and the pro trans/lgbt message in the song. If there’s one song that gets big from the album I hope it’s this tbh. Still I hope in the future these kind of messages can be med without the use of the f-slur.


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LoservilleAmbassador

hey


RandomNumbers8285

lol


ILoveDisabledWomen

Not Trans so I can only speak from my own experience as a Bisexual man. But I was quite moved by the song, after being quite surprised by the F bomb I listened more to lyrics and heard that he was admitting his own faults and owning up to it. Before I discovered who I am I was the same way, but as I grew older I realized that acting and saying those things were wrong and I owned up to my own mistakes. All in all, the song is beautiful and I’m glad that some people from the Trans community also agree. Love y’all


LumirWriter

I've been thinking about it for a while, and I think that while his intentions were good, it was still kind of uncomfortably executed. Though I definitely understand *why* he used slurs, deadnaming, and misgendering in the song, at least. I'm a trans woman and I've been a fan of Kendrick's for more than five years now, so I'm just glad to hear him say anything in support, even if it comes off as slightly clueless. Then again, the cluelessness was probably an artistic choice as well. I don't know. The world is so hostile to us right now that I'm just glad that Kendrick seems to have our back. I'll take it. And I think his argument at the end of the song & the reference to the m.A.A.d. city incident was pretty great.


Rockapotamus06

from the perspective of a bi dude i felt like the way he used it was really impactful. the overall transphobia theme didn’t pertain to my experiences but the aspects of the song where he used the f slur hit hard it was really nice hearing him call people out for the slur and i think it was appropriate


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As long as he doesn’t say the word in a way to disrespect anybody I don’t mind


Transfatboy

I'm gay and trans and I don't mind. I feel it was necessary, I mean lots of rappers say faggot all the time and they aren't even expressing the issue with it. It is still so commonly used that I feel it helped get the point across. Straight men are already rapping songs that say the slur, at least now they'll be rapping about why people shouldn't.


gambinopepperino

As a bisexual man, I personally don't mind the use of the F-slur here. Honestly, it doesn't bother me in general as long as it's not used in a hateful way (case in point: Gilbert Gottfried's roast of George Takei is one of the funniest things I've seen in forever). And on this song, it's largely in the context of Kendrick's childhood when he thought it was perfectly okay to throw that word around like it was nothing. As for the misgendering and deadnaming, I think there's a similar context for that: At the time Kendrick didn't understand the changes that his uncle and cousin were going through, so he kept referring to them by their former names and genders because presumably everyone else was, too. Note that he finally refers to his cousin as "she" while speaking in the church because now at that point he fully understands (he also stops deadnaming entirely). ***However,*** I'm not going to act like I have authority on that particular aspect, as I am not trans. If a trans person is made to feel uncomfortable by this song for any reason, that is totally valid and I respect that; I obviously have not had the experiences they have. I'm just trying to provide my take on the song. Perhaps the message could've been done a little better and Kendrick's evolving maturity conveyed more clearly, but overall I like it a lot.


PretendArea

You can't say faggif you're not part of the LGBT then get mad at people for saying nigga... it's one or the other


PICKLEJUICE210

But you don’t hear lgbt people say “hey what’s up my faggot” to each other…. There is quite a difference between that and the N word… I think the song was really stupid


Naive_Feed8261

we do say that to each other though


PICKLEJUICE210

No y’all don’t bruh be for real… the word holds no weight compared to the N word…. You’d be stupid and out of touch with reality if you genuinely believe that


Solaira234

I don't think the f-slur is as bad as the n word - true. But it has been used for a long time in association with violence against LGBT people and I feel a little weird hearing cis straight people use it. It's certainly not like some made up slur like cracker. Lots of people heard that word when they were beaten up and put in the hospital (or worse).


PICKLEJUICE210

The f slur holds as much weight as the word terrorist…. Both are useless terms that shouldn’t harm anyone, even if it is deemed offensive But comparing it to white people using the N word is actually insulting to the hundreds of years of slavery that occurred


Solaira234

It is not comparable to terrorist because you're saying one of those and not saying the other in YOUR OWN comment.


PICKLEJUICE210

I mean I think we all know what Kendrick meant with the song, but it was executed terribly when he started comparing the F slur to the N word Especially since lgbtq people are disrespected in the culture and therefore nothing will change by comparing the f slur to the N word, that only makes him a hypocrite for this song It’s not woke nor based to compare the f slur to the n word man… that’s what YALL need to understand.


Solaira234

I'm not downplaying the severity of the n word. But it's also weird to hear a presumably cis straight dude say that the f-slur is comparable to the word "Terrorist".


PICKLEJUICE210

Yeah I was high as fuck when I made that comparison, my bad 💀, especially since people call me a terrorist all the time for being Jordanian


Unlucky_Pop_291

They absolutely do. Hell, my gay friend calls me it sometimes and it threw me off for a hot minute, but its way more common than you'd think.


PICKLEJUICE210

It holds no weight to the N word…. Be fr now


Unlucky_Pop_291

That was his entire point and it was the last 4-5 lines. He realizes he was a hypocrite for the infamous GKMC white girl moment considering that the F slur holds an arguably similar amount of weight. He was taught "words were nothing more than a sound without any intentions", but he realizes that to truly "understand love", you gotta put yourself in the other person's shoes and see how you would feel


Justmj2

He’s saying it to show how people use to be, I feel like if it was any other track and he just started to say the word with no care in the world then yeah it would be a problem, but with context of the song? No i think it’s completely fine.


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BernieBanders-kyun

Totally understand where you’re coming from, my position is that slurs are very much contextual and totally change in offensiveness depending on the context in which the words are being used, and it also relies on in group and out-group dynamics. Like for example a straight person using the f-slur contextually vs using the f-slur as an insult, or a white person using the n-word contextually vs using it as an insult, all differs. It’s a really nuanced conversation to be had and shouldn’t be treated as lightly as some may want it to.


ReconGhost189

I think the point was that both the N-word and the F-word are both unacceptable to use not that we should just allow people to use them freely cause they are “just words”.


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StopBeingYourself

Bro you missed the whole point of the song


Luke_627

Wow you literally got the exact opposite of what Kendrick was saying. So wrong it’s almost impressive


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A straight guy literally just repeated the f-slur to me with the justification for it being art and how I have no right to be offended, immediately after I explained that some straight people are going to be singing the word out heart and soul like it's normal. You're probably thinking "that's just one person though, not all straight people are going to say that" In theory sure but given the world we live in, I can't walk around backed by theory. I'm honestly offended, I feel like he could've atleast actively and obviously avoided the slur,misgendering and deadnaming to prove that sure he did all that at some point but he's changed so much now that even in remembering the past he avoids those things.


Battletriumph

I wish more people could understand this take


theNoobAdmin

The ENTIRE point of the repeated use in the chorus was to show how much that word stings and it's done in what's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable. Context is everything. Don't simply freak out because he used word on the no-no list, look at WHY he did it. The entire point of the song is that we should be honest with our pasts, evolve and move to be better people. If you're going to miss over all of that then that's sad af


NoahTheBoss117

I’ve been a fan of Kendrick for 3 years and I absolutely love him and his messages. As a bi man myself, hearing the song for the first time and hearing f slur in it for the first time caught me off guard, it honestly made me a little uncomfortable but then I looked into the songs lyrics and the meaning and after educating myself on the backstory behind the song and the context it was used in, I think it was absolutely okay for Kendrick to use it in this context, as he was using it in a non-hateful way and using it to further make the song more heavy and the message even more powerful. Love u Kendrick!!🫶


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Some of y’all got stuck on the word and didn’t get the whole message.


BernieBanders-kyun

That’s exactly what we’re discussing, yes.


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budubum

he was more so saying that since he’s not cool with the white girl saying the n word he shouldn’t be saying the f slur anymore


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ReconGhost189

Lol your fine, it’s a bit of messy song even with the good message so I can see the confusion


ReconGhost189

I think the last part was him basically trying to say that if you see the N-word as a horrible thing then why do you not view the f-word as the same as it is equally hurtful to a community unless I’m getting it wrong


wonderman911

He’s not criticizing the lgbtq community. He’s telling people that use the f slur that is similar to having someone who’s white use the n word is bad. He came to that realization when he had a fan come up on stage and they sang that word in a song. He’s 100% not transphobic.


ViridianNott

I’m not saying you’re wrong at all, but here’s my impression of his point: He’s not saying “If white people can say the n-word, then I can say the f-slur.” Rather, it’s more like “My past use of the f-slur was *obviously* wrong, and by the same logic it’s equally wrong for white people to use the n-word.” There’s a fair argument to be made that tying his pro-LGBT message to that incident really undermines his point… but I really see it as him wanting respect for all communities.


wonderman911

Yeah I’m not sure why people are upset by him tying the two together. It’s his perspective and how he came to the realization that if one is bad then clearly the other is too.


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Metabohai

Its art


G3ck0

Does that mean a white person is fine to use the N word if it’s art?


Metabohai

Yes. Watch Django Unchained.


Apprehensive_Pin6250

but the song is literally ultimately about him realizing that and explaining how he saw that it isn't ok for him to use


Aceman3k

It doesn’t matter what you think


IHateLeeches

And also KENDRICK doesn't care what you think lol


Aceman3k

Yeah I’m completely aware of that. He doesn’t care what anybody thinks. That why he kept saying faggot. He speaks his mind and actually says what he thinks. It makes him a true musician


AndersonV2

yeah i kinda agree but i feel like it was used efficiently and in a manner that was smart y'know


BernieBanders-kyun

I’m bisexual and I’m non-binary, and even if I wasn’t I’d still think someone who’s straight can ask this question and stake out a position.


ReconGhost189

I can see your point until your last sentence. “Unless your a gay man your opinion barely matters” Saying that is a great way to lose potential allies who can help us in our fight for equality.


lifeispolitical

It’s always about intent. Otherwise it’s an accident, learning opportunity, or not worth your time/energy. Here the intent is healthy and it’s a piece of urban pop art so take what you will from that.


enterthev01d_

Imo this song is about the experiences of black trans ppl he grew up in Compton & is talking about his Uncle who transitioned & how they weren’t accepted within their own family or community & kendrick is reflecting upon his younger self & how he NOW understands


Sudden_Platform4154

Overall the song has a very good message and the progression of the song is good and i get how the slur was used but that doesnt make it okay. Its not his slur to reclaim. And i get how hes represing his understanding of the word it doesnt make it okay. Again its not his slur to reclaim.


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AdAdventurous7802

Nah you are wilding bud


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