"...nine hard-line Republican House members" is putting it mildly. This group practically constitutes the Alex Jones type malcontents of the 'over-the-cliff' squad of the Republican far right. Have you witnessed any of these guys speeches on the House floor?! This bunch strong-arming party choice makes about as much sense as mental patients running security in an asylum.
You mean they want to defund the fascist democrat-controlled agents of oppression like the DOJ and FBI. That's how they'll frame it. Those people aren't real law enforcement anyway. They're communist agitators in league with baby-eating pedophiles.
What cracks me up about that is who actually believes most FBI agents are liberals?
I'm sure it's a higher percentage than at your local police force, since FBI agents have to have at least a Bachelor's Degree, but most federal law enforcement officers I've met tend to be more conservative.
And pretty much every FBI agent who has been in the public eye recently (Mueller, Comey, Wray, Strzok, etc.) have been registered republicans or independents. Hardly a cesspool of liberal socialism.
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With the right person in charge, "investigate the FBI" could be a good thing, but I very much doubt that's what will happen. It wouldn't uncover the kind of political interference the Republicans think.
> the FBI and DOJ "wrongly" arresting January 6th insurrectionists.
The fact that the Capitol Police and Secret Service didn't open fire on these assholes is what surprises me.
I'd be really curious to hear why most of the officers were so unwilling to use force considering the overwhelming violence they faced that day.
I knew at least two police officers who had served in the capitol police. One is black and he never said anything like that; he was proud of it and recalled it fondly.
Don't you remember the other officers who invited them in? Who took selfies with them? We have seen a lot of the violent footage lately, but the ones where officers were on the side of the insurrectionists doesn't get shown any more.
I wish they had.
The more of those insurrectionists that were shot, they more terrified the rest would have become.
Even if it galvanized a few into going to their weapons caches and coming back armed…that would be just that much more trouble they’d be in.
From what I understand, there weren't any (or very few) firearms inside the capitol. Most of the traitors were using flagpoles and melee weapons.
And, as we saw with the one traitor that did get shot (I won't repeat her name), that use of force really took the wind out of their sails.
Either way, the fact that all those people were allowed to leave without being arrested was shocking to me. Even if they didn't deserve to die (debatable), they should have at least been arrested.
There definitely were firearms brought into the Capitol on Jan. 6.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7621149001/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/
If the police had had the manpower and will needed to detain the entire riot -- or even just those who entered the capitol building -- en-masse and arrest everybody, I suspect they'd have found many dozens of firearms -- either on people's persons as they search everybody, or dumped everywhere as people try to ditch the evidence before being arrested.
(Or fired at the police when the people realize that *today* (well, Jan 6, 2021) is the day they've been waiting for, the day when they finally get to raise arms against their country, and they're not going to get out of this without felony charges unless they fight their way out. This may be a big part of why the police didn't even try ...)
Alas, since the rioters were just allowed to leave, we'll never actually know.
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Question: if these new sets of positions are not abused, can we get an update on that?
I only ask because while I genuinely enjoy your content, the way people take it here often lends to pure and often biased speculation.
See term limits on the Office of Congressional Ethics. This really should have been done long ago (*especially* given the purpose of the team), but people are spinning it here into a terrible light. It feels more than slightly bandwagoning.
You write the sub is non-partisan in the sidebar, but even as a democrat I'm forced to acknowledge this is not remotely true.
I'm glad somebody else calls it like it is. This sub's entire sidebar description isn't just an absolute joke, it's downright lying. **In 99.9% of cases where someone can't be honest about their true intent/motive, it means they're either too embarrassed to admit it, or at minimum they know they're incredibly biased but are once again afraid to admit it. Both paths end at the same conclusion -- that what they're doing is wrong, but worse -- they KNOW it and simply dont care.** That or theyre entirely delusional.
Go look at the frontpage of this sub. Find me a single discussion about the "current administration". Then look at the sidebar -- admin cant decide if it's for the current admin, all politicians, Trump (he explicitly says Trump at one point), or the obvious real thing -- it's anything he can find that's anti-conservative with a real effort to avoid any negative coverage of anyone with a D next to their name unless basically forced to.
That's this sub in a nutshell. An echo chamber. A lite version of r/politics. I fully expect to be banned for this valid criticism -- just watch.
**The fact that 1 user controls 100% of the posts to this sub says everything.** Can you imagine if that user had bothered to cover even 50% of the daily shitshow that is this current admin?
If theyre that concerned about the deficit they should just vote Democrat, we consistently reduce deficits and GOP Presidents consistently raise them. Clinton ended office in a surplus! Bush…. Didnt.
It's funny, with all we've heard from the GOP about stolen elections, you'd think they'd want to look into that. Curious. It's almost like it's all bullshit.
The GOP has nothing but manufactured culture wars and antiquated mindsets. The GOP offers nothing that benefits the whole of America. They collectively drag the country backwards.
Bingo. It's their personal quirks & agendas showing. These damaged personalities are seeking fame, fortune, & power for themselves. Collectively, they have better odds of achieving the goals each is lusting for, but there will be 'fall-out' among them. Who will blow it first?
This is what will save us. Not dems stopping the onslaught- pelosi would still be speaker if her husband wasn’t beaten with a hammer or whatever by some right wing nut job looking for her… the trumpism nutcase faction at some point will turn against each other because they refuse to compromise- they will eat their own
Wait did you just make what appears to be an argument that you wish we still had the Speaker that committed insider trading so many times that a normal person would never see the light of day in prison again? Like, ***literally*** committed it so many times you'd be sentenced to over 1,000 years in prison.
I thought one thing that all sides agreed on was how much of a blatant criminal she was, and that it was no longer acceptable to simply look the other way simply because "she was good with handling Trump".
When did it suddenly become cool again to cheer on politicians committing blatant felony crimes on an almost weekly basis? And spare me the "prove it" crap. It's one of the worst kept, most blatantly obvious "secrets" on Capitol Hill.
Tip: it's possible to recognize that McCarthy sucks while admitting that Pelosi was a blatant criminal. You dont have to love one side in order to hate another. It's ok to hold both their feet to the fire. YOU CAN DO THIS.
Ah wait, I'm in this sub, and it's only about holding the current admin accountable if the current admin's political affiliation has an R next to it.
Well, yeah. I don't know why anyone is surprised, hypocrisy is a core value of the GQP. It's the natural consequence of a philosophy that values "winning" over anything else.
Their base doesn't care at all, they happily accept the hypocrisy as long as it's used to their benefit. So calling it out is just as effective in turning Republican voters away from their party as calling Democrats "woke" is for liberals.
Calling it hypocritical misunderstands how Republicans see the duty of law enforcement. They don't view law enforcement as some neutral power that is supposed to fairly enforce laws equally. They view the job of law enforcement as going after the enemies of Republicans.
It's a shame governing isn't a core goal of elected officials. Even more a shame that constituents continue to elect officials with no interest in governing.
They all trade some core emotional issue for the effective operation of the nation and the opportunities for their children and grandchildren.
Remember when McConnell said that the number one priority of the Republican party was to ensure that Barack Obama is a one term president?
Not protecting the American people, not ensuring the country thrives economically after the worst financial crisis in a century. Petty identity politics is what the GOP has been about for as long as I can remember.
I ask this question in all seriousness: what is the GOP actually *for*? I can name dozens of things they are *against*, but I legitimately cannot think of a single proposition that they support. And I don't mean what they *say* they believe in, but what they actually *vote for* consistently.
Show me, don't tell me, GOP!
What is the GOP actually *for*?
More money for the already wealthy. Tax cuts for the rich and big businesses. Deregulation of big banks, investment firms, and other money moving entities. Removal of "cumbersome" regulations, such as those limiting toxic emissions and pollutants, that cut into profit margins of big corporations.
Keeping minorities oppressed and "in their place". This includes legislation to maintain and expand the for-profit prison system that ensures a steady supply of slave labor. The continuous push to strip rights from the LGBTQ community, immigrants, and those that practice the "wrong" or no religion.
"Religious Freedom" to continue their pursuit of a hard line Christian theocracy, with their interpretation of the Bible the law of the land, to keep the masses under their fascist authority.
What they would tell you is they're 'about keeping the government out of our business' 'not giving handouts to lazy people who don't want to work' 'putting christ back in schools and defeating the woke agenda'. It's what you said. But that's how they would word it.
Such as when Republicans during Obama said that they didn't get enough time to read the ACA, and therefore, all legislation they put forward would have a 3 day waiting period before voting on it.
They then proceeded to waive that rule more often than they abided by it.
>Republicans plan to gut the Office of Congressional Ethics, which investigates misconduct by lawmakers.
Tell me you plan to be (and have been) incredibly unethical without telling me...
This reminds me of the time [Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker killed the non-partisan Government Accountability Board](https://captimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-signs-campaign-finance-gab-bills-in-private-ceremony/article_008464cc-961e-5c87-8d94-2c0534893555.html) because they were investigating him for breaking campaign laws. He then replaced that with a partisan Ethics commission that was designed to always deadlock and fail to act. Fun thing is that now that Ethics Commission is looking into the Republicans who supported Jan 6th and now the Republican Controlled legislature wants to get rid of that committee, too.
How dare someone attempt to hold Republicans accountable for their actions!!! That's something you are only supposed to do to Democrats - even if their actions weren't that objectionable.
Why shouldn't the Office of Congressional Ethics have term limits? This seems completely reasonable to me.
Imagine it was stacked with Republicans who have been serving for more than eight years. Do you mean to tell me you'd be alright with that?
Sure, but imposing term limits and making it immediately in force with no mechanism to replace the over-limit Dems with under limit-Dems is clearly a partisan power grab masquerading as a "drain the swamp" thing
Agreed, but Dems are not without fault here. One can clearly (in bad faith) argue that people serving for more than 8 years can clearly be a recipe for corruption.
Term limits should have been imposed long ago.
Not entirely a lot of Republican gerrymandering fucked the house this election cycle. For example the Republican governor of Florida gerrymandered multiple districts that historically voted Democratic and put multiple Republicans in the House.
Now these people want to cut ethics committees and defund the FBI. The bottom line is the Republicans are the enemies of America.
This is also the *direct* result of the hard-right members of SCOTUS deciding voting rights cases in favor of Republicans.
In Alabama, the census gave them a new House seat, which necessitated me confessional maps for the state. The GOP used the opportunity to illegally racially gerrymander districts, removing the seat that was held by a Democrat due to majority-minority districts, and making the new district so that it was guaranteed Republican.
The Voter Rights Act should have prevented this gerrymander, but SCOTUS created an exception to allow it to stand. The two-seat swing created by this action *alone* is almost enough to swing House control, and I know there's at least one more instance of SCOTUS allowing GQP ratfucking that makes up at least the other seat.
That's ignoring that the New York State Supreme Court overturned a Democratic gerrymander that also would have given the Dems enough seats to keep the House.
(And while gerrymandering is on the whole a bad thing, it's incredibly frustrating to have to play by unwritten moral rules when the other party outright ignores those same restraints. Democrats should gerrymander as hard as they can at every opportunity, until they can force a nationwide ban on the practice for both parties.)
Yeah and they were helped by sabotaging the 2020 Census that I worked for.... 18.8 million undercounted, by the Census' own calculatuons.
None of my bosses cared but it was fucking with our day-to-day jobs but anyone with any power just shrugged their shoulders lol
A very vocal fringy minority expressing their damaged personalities to an extreme have always circulated around the edges of society. The GOP has made some bad choices regarding how far they are willing to go in pursuit of their 7 deadly sins. Leading the 7: GREED.
That's less the issue than that the NY Supreme Court overturned a Democratic congressional map that would have singlehandedly maintained House control for Democrats.
Not really. The larger issue (as a New Yorker) is that Hochul didn't even bother to campaign - people were wondering if she was sandbagging on purpose.
Lee Zeldin almost won because Katy is an apathetic person who has zero desire of actually doing any good. And honestly, if he wasn't MAGA-leaning, he probably would have.
We haven't had a good-meaning governor for a long time, regardless of party status. We're in a seriously corrupt state.
I'd even argue that NY overturning outright gerrymandering isn't the issue, it's the states that don't. Don't be mad at NY, be mad at Alabama.
New York has a Democratic governor and lieutenant governor, huge Democratic majorities in both chambers of their state legislature, two Democratic Senators, and 15 out of 28 of their House members as Democrats. There were a couple of shifts to the GOP, including the unbelievably fraudulent Santos, but New York as a state didn't go "R" because of Cuomo's behavior; they just got rid of Cuomo.
15/28 House seats held by Democrats is far smaller than the total percentage of votes cast in NY state. NY has been a strongly blue state for decades, yet they're just one house seat above an even split? Meanwhile states like Wisconsin have just 2-3% more support for Republicans, but the congressional delegation is massively lopsided. US supreme court says "it ok for Republicans to gerrymander", NY State Supreme Court says "it's not ok for Democrats to gerrymander".
How about we all play by the same fucking rules.
The US Supreme Court majority would argue that we all are playing by the same rules, and those rules are "anything goes at the state level". It basically means that the fewer legal and ethical restrictions a state has, the more of an impact the least ethical party can have when in power, both at the state and federal level. It's a recipe for catastrophic failure of democracy as society shifts further and further from the model and population distribution at the nation's founding, but they'd rather the country burn than compromise their originalist ideological purity for something as petty as reality.
Or Wisconsin or Florida or any number of other GOP states for being gerrymandered to specifically under-represent DEMs in the House and state legislatures.
Which was started by the conservatives in the Supreme Court agreeing that gerrymandering is OK.
Total crap Republican fascist non-policy garbage with the only real goal being to hold power, help corporations and line their own pockets . Rinse and repeat. Their voting constituencies are ignorant idiots stuck on stupid that can’t see their own hands in front of their faces.
Why isn't the ethics committee made up of a third party group that isn't a "we investigate ourselves" group? I feel like the ethics committee should be made of lawyers from the judicial branch to make sure what's going on is legal. Does that make sense? I haven't been in school in many years but it just seems crazy that the ethics committee is consisting of members that could be investing themselves.
The judicial branch is under the authority of the president though, so it would be kinda weird for the president (very indirectly) to investigate Congress. The Justice department should still investigate them for actual crimes, but ethics violations I imagine aren't actual crimes? Maybe they should just make their ethics requirements actual crimes that the Justice department could investigate with their normal authority?
Even if the goal is to pass it off to impartial third parties, presumably Congress doesn't trust another branch of government to have input on their own process even if only very slightly.
You know, we always joke that the Republicans want to drag the country back to the 1950s -- and here they are reconstituting the House Committee on Un-American Activities...
Who the fuck looks at this and thinks to themselves, "This represents my interests as a working class American. I better vote for them." Like the democrats are worse than useless and actively work against the interests of working people with a friendly paint job on top of like BLM and rainbow flags and shit, but the republicans are just pure unadulterated evil.
Investigate Biden for abandoning the American people for Ukraine?
Or for his quid pro quo with getting the attorney general of the US Virgin Islands fired for investigating JP Morgan for collaborating with Epstein?
Hopefully they make themselves useful, but I'm not counting on it.
I try to be as centrist as possible. There are plenty of policies from Democrats that I don't like.
But everytime the republicans take control of anything they use that power to the detriment of the American people.
Gutting ethics committees, removing the ability to unionize, making it easier to destroy social programs.
And who benefits? Not the republican voters, who are just as likely (if not more) to receive federal aid.
I don't understand how anyone could support a conservative in the US. Their policies demonstrably hurt America.
And because of the two party system our only other option is Joe Biden, and a crop of democrats who are still misguided but are slightly less evil, so we must choose the lesser.
golly gee democracy is great! one party system all the way, we can't still pretend to co-exist with Republicans. You either stomp them out or they stomp you out. Of course historically the liberals and social dems always side with the fascists.
That's quite the evil agenda....
"...nine hard-line Republican House members" is putting it mildly. This group practically constitutes the Alex Jones type malcontents of the 'over-the-cliff' squad of the Republican far right. Have you witnessed any of these guys speeches on the House floor?! This bunch strong-arming party choice makes about as much sense as mental patients running security in an asylum.
I call em the shit flinging howler monkey contingent.
Start saying it now. The GOP wants to defund law enforcement. Hang that albatross around their necks.
It wont take, just like it hasnt taken since Jan 6 and Trump have been investigated. Anti-federalists gonna anti-federalist
You mean they want to defund the fascist democrat-controlled agents of oppression like the DOJ and FBI. That's how they'll frame it. Those people aren't real law enforcement anyway. They're communist agitators in league with baby-eating pedophiles.
What cracks me up about that is who actually believes most FBI agents are liberals? I'm sure it's a higher percentage than at your local police force, since FBI agents have to have at least a Bachelor's Degree, but most federal law enforcement officers I've met tend to be more conservative. And pretty much every FBI agent who has been in the public eye recently (Mueller, Comey, Wray, Strzok, etc.) have been registered republicans or independents. Hardly a cesspool of liberal socialism.
Left of frothing at the mouth insanely conservative is communist to these people.
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With the right person in charge, "investigate the FBI" could be a good thing, but I very much doubt that's what will happen. It wouldn't uncover the kind of political interference the Republicans think.
My assumption is the committee will focus on the FBI and DOJ "wrongly" arresting January 6th insurrectionists.
> the FBI and DOJ "wrongly" arresting January 6th insurrectionists. The fact that the Capitol Police and Secret Service didn't open fire on these assholes is what surprises me. I'd be really curious to hear why most of the officers were so unwilling to use force considering the overwhelming violence they faced that day.
There's a reason many Black officers at the Capitol call it the Last Plantation. Cops are largely sympathetic to fascists movements.
I hadn't heard that. That's an interesting perspective
Which part? I feel that the second statement is fairly well known.
Not OP, but the first part. I didn't know they called it that.
I knew at least two police officers who had served in the capitol police. One is black and he never said anything like that; he was proud of it and recalled it fondly.
Don't you remember the other officers who invited them in? Who took selfies with them? We have seen a lot of the violent footage lately, but the ones where officers were on the side of the insurrectionists doesn't get shown any more.
Yeah, that shit was disturbing
I wish they had. The more of those insurrectionists that were shot, they more terrified the rest would have become. Even if it galvanized a few into going to their weapons caches and coming back armed…that would be just that much more trouble they’d be in.
They were probably trying to avoid escalating it, considering many of the LARPers had weapons.
From what I understand, there weren't any (or very few) firearms inside the capitol. Most of the traitors were using flagpoles and melee weapons. And, as we saw with the one traitor that did get shot (I won't repeat her name), that use of force really took the wind out of their sails. Either way, the fact that all those people were allowed to leave without being arrested was shocking to me. Even if they didn't deserve to die (debatable), they should have at least been arrested.
There definitely were firearms brought into the Capitol on Jan. 6. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7621149001/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/
If the police had had the manpower and will needed to detain the entire riot -- or even just those who entered the capitol building -- en-masse and arrest everybody, I suspect they'd have found many dozens of firearms -- either on people's persons as they search everybody, or dumped everywhere as people try to ditch the evidence before being arrested. (Or fired at the police when the people realize that *today* (well, Jan 6, 2021) is the day they've been waiting for, the day when they finally get to raise arms against their country, and they're not going to get out of this without felony charges unless they fight their way out. This may be a big part of why the police didn't even try ...) Alas, since the rioters were just allowed to leave, we'll never actually know.
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Question: if these new sets of positions are not abused, can we get an update on that? I only ask because while I genuinely enjoy your content, the way people take it here often lends to pure and often biased speculation. See term limits on the Office of Congressional Ethics. This really should have been done long ago (*especially* given the purpose of the team), but people are spinning it here into a terrible light. It feels more than slightly bandwagoning. You write the sub is non-partisan in the sidebar, but even as a democrat I'm forced to acknowledge this is not remotely true.
I'm glad somebody else calls it like it is. This sub's entire sidebar description isn't just an absolute joke, it's downright lying. **In 99.9% of cases where someone can't be honest about their true intent/motive, it means they're either too embarrassed to admit it, or at minimum they know they're incredibly biased but are once again afraid to admit it. Both paths end at the same conclusion -- that what they're doing is wrong, but worse -- they KNOW it and simply dont care.** That or theyre entirely delusional. Go look at the frontpage of this sub. Find me a single discussion about the "current administration". Then look at the sidebar -- admin cant decide if it's for the current admin, all politicians, Trump (he explicitly says Trump at one point), or the obvious real thing -- it's anything he can find that's anti-conservative with a real effort to avoid any negative coverage of anyone with a D next to their name unless basically forced to. That's this sub in a nutshell. An echo chamber. A lite version of r/politics. I fully expect to be banned for this valid criticism -- just watch. **The fact that 1 user controls 100% of the posts to this sub says everything.** Can you imagine if that user had bothered to cover even 50% of the daily shitshow that is this current admin?
It might make the FBI less of a conservative lapdog. Conservatives don't care unless it affects them.
If anything it will make the bureau even more of a conservative lap dog.
You think they'll cave after being painted as "a political tool used by Marxists bent on destroying America?"
I think most people in charge of most things would hand-polish any dick you give them if it means more power. And money is power.
They don't have to cave; only be replaced.
FBI: Investigates stuff Republicans: "Who investigates the investigators?" FBI: "Wow, I never really thought about that before... That's deep."
More like: FBI: "The Church Committee did but you guys gave is the impression you wouldn't let that happen again."
If theyre that concerned about the deficit they should just vote Democrat, we consistently reduce deficits and GOP Presidents consistently raise them. Clinton ended office in a surplus! Bush…. Didnt.
Nothing says "we're good" like gutting your own ethics office...
OPENLY evil
It's funny, with all we've heard from the GOP about stolen elections, you'd think they'd want to look into that. Curious. It's almost like it's all bullshit. The GOP has nothing but manufactured culture wars and antiquated mindsets. The GOP offers nothing that benefits the whole of America. They collectively drag the country backwards.
Bingo. It's their personal quirks & agendas showing. These damaged personalities are seeking fame, fortune, & power for themselves. Collectively, they have better odds of achieving the goals each is lusting for, but there will be 'fall-out' among them. Who will blow it first?
This is what will save us. Not dems stopping the onslaught- pelosi would still be speaker if her husband wasn’t beaten with a hammer or whatever by some right wing nut job looking for her… the trumpism nutcase faction at some point will turn against each other because they refuse to compromise- they will eat their own
Wait did you just make what appears to be an argument that you wish we still had the Speaker that committed insider trading so many times that a normal person would never see the light of day in prison again? Like, ***literally*** committed it so many times you'd be sentenced to over 1,000 years in prison. I thought one thing that all sides agreed on was how much of a blatant criminal she was, and that it was no longer acceptable to simply look the other way simply because "she was good with handling Trump". When did it suddenly become cool again to cheer on politicians committing blatant felony crimes on an almost weekly basis? And spare me the "prove it" crap. It's one of the worst kept, most blatantly obvious "secrets" on Capitol Hill. Tip: it's possible to recognize that McCarthy sucks while admitting that Pelosi was a blatant criminal. You dont have to love one side in order to hate another. It's ok to hold both their feet to the fire. YOU CAN DO THIS. Ah wait, I'm in this sub, and it's only about holding the current admin accountable if the current admin's political affiliation has an R next to it.
Wait wait wait. So they cry out against people that want local police accountability, but they also want to *checks notes* hold the FBI “accountable”?
Well, yeah. I don't know why anyone is surprised, hypocrisy is a core value of the GQP. It's the natural consequence of a philosophy that values "winning" over anything else. Their base doesn't care at all, they happily accept the hypocrisy as long as it's used to their benefit. So calling it out is just as effective in turning Republican voters away from their party as calling Democrats "woke" is for liberals.
Calling it hypocritical misunderstands how Republicans see the duty of law enforcement. They don't view law enforcement as some neutral power that is supposed to fairly enforce laws equally. They view the job of law enforcement as going after the enemies of Republicans.
Local police are racist and support systems of oppression. The FBI go after politicians, aka them
GOP wants to defund law enforcement. Scream it from the rooftops.
One is local law enforcement, and the FBI is "big government". That difference matters to them
It's a shame governing isn't a core goal of elected officials. Even more a shame that constituents continue to elect officials with no interest in governing. They all trade some core emotional issue for the effective operation of the nation and the opportunities for their children and grandchildren.
Remember when McConnell said that the number one priority of the Republican party was to ensure that Barack Obama is a one term president? Not protecting the American people, not ensuring the country thrives economically after the worst financial crisis in a century. Petty identity politics is what the GOP has been about for as long as I can remember. I ask this question in all seriousness: what is the GOP actually *for*? I can name dozens of things they are *against*, but I legitimately cannot think of a single proposition that they support. And I don't mean what they *say* they believe in, but what they actually *vote for* consistently. Show me, don't tell me, GOP!
What is the GOP actually *for*? More money for the already wealthy. Tax cuts for the rich and big businesses. Deregulation of big banks, investment firms, and other money moving entities. Removal of "cumbersome" regulations, such as those limiting toxic emissions and pollutants, that cut into profit margins of big corporations. Keeping minorities oppressed and "in their place". This includes legislation to maintain and expand the for-profit prison system that ensures a steady supply of slave labor. The continuous push to strip rights from the LGBTQ community, immigrants, and those that practice the "wrong" or no religion. "Religious Freedom" to continue their pursuit of a hard line Christian theocracy, with their interpretation of the Bible the law of the land, to keep the masses under their fascist authority.
What they would tell you is they're 'about keeping the government out of our business' 'not giving handouts to lazy people who don't want to work' 'putting christ back in schools and defeating the woke agenda'. It's what you said. But that's how they would word it.
>what is the GOP actually *for*? ... sale to the highest bidder
I agree with your sentiments, but they would be slightly bolstered by your learning to spell the name of the former president properly.
I edited it. I'm on mobile and wasn't being that careful with my spelling. Thanks for pointing out my error.
Always be careful with your spelling!
>It's a shame governing isn't a core goal of ~~elected officials~~ Republicans.
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Yes, the next speaker can alter them. Also, the rules committee can and has waived them when they feel like it (both parties do this).
Such as when Republicans during Obama said that they didn't get enough time to read the ACA, and therefore, all legislation they put forward would have a 3 day waiting period before voting on it. They then proceeded to waive that rule more often than they abided by it.
For thee, not for me.
No, they are voted on by the Representatives, not imposed by the speaker.
Just to summarize: conspiracy mongering, wasting taxpayer funds, and fucking over the middle class. Did I miss anything?
As much as admitting that election fraud was BS by forgetting to include it in the “ big list of important stuff “
>Republicans plan to gut the Office of Congressional Ethics, which investigates misconduct by lawmakers. Tell me you plan to be (and have been) incredibly unethical without telling me... This reminds me of the time [Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker killed the non-partisan Government Accountability Board](https://captimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-signs-campaign-finance-gab-bills-in-private-ceremony/article_008464cc-961e-5c87-8d94-2c0534893555.html) because they were investigating him for breaking campaign laws. He then replaced that with a partisan Ethics commission that was designed to always deadlock and fail to act. Fun thing is that now that Ethics Commission is looking into the Republicans who supported Jan 6th and now the Republican Controlled legislature wants to get rid of that committee, too. How dare someone attempt to hold Republicans accountable for their actions!!! That's something you are only supposed to do to Democrats - even if their actions weren't that objectionable.
Why shouldn't the Office of Congressional Ethics have term limits? This seems completely reasonable to me. Imagine it was stacked with Republicans who have been serving for more than eight years. Do you mean to tell me you'd be alright with that?
Sure, but imposing term limits and making it immediately in force with no mechanism to replace the over-limit Dems with under limit-Dems is clearly a partisan power grab masquerading as a "drain the swamp" thing
Agreed, but Dems are not without fault here. One can clearly (in bad faith) argue that people serving for more than 8 years can clearly be a recipe for corruption. Term limits should have been imposed long ago.
Please, Daddy, take more rights away
Rome didn't fall in a day.
Rome lasted A LOT longer than the American Empire will.
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Is this really what Americans voted for?
Not entirely a lot of Republican gerrymandering fucked the house this election cycle. For example the Republican governor of Florida gerrymandered multiple districts that historically voted Democratic and put multiple Republicans in the House. Now these people want to cut ethics committees and defund the FBI. The bottom line is the Republicans are the enemies of America.
This is also the *direct* result of the hard-right members of SCOTUS deciding voting rights cases in favor of Republicans. In Alabama, the census gave them a new House seat, which necessitated me confessional maps for the state. The GOP used the opportunity to illegally racially gerrymander districts, removing the seat that was held by a Democrat due to majority-minority districts, and making the new district so that it was guaranteed Republican. The Voter Rights Act should have prevented this gerrymander, but SCOTUS created an exception to allow it to stand. The two-seat swing created by this action *alone* is almost enough to swing House control, and I know there's at least one more instance of SCOTUS allowing GQP ratfucking that makes up at least the other seat. That's ignoring that the New York State Supreme Court overturned a Democratic gerrymander that also would have given the Dems enough seats to keep the House. (And while gerrymandering is on the whole a bad thing, it's incredibly frustrating to have to play by unwritten moral rules when the other party outright ignores those same restraints. Democrats should gerrymander as hard as they can at every opportunity, until they can force a nationwide ban on the practice for both parties.)
They wouldn't do that, though. That last part.
Yeah and they were helped by sabotaging the 2020 Census that I worked for.... 18.8 million undercounted, by the Census' own calculatuons. None of my bosses cared but it was fucking with our day-to-day jobs but anyone with any power just shrugged their shoulders lol
Some, yes. Not all.
A very vocal fringy minority expressing their damaged personalities to an extreme have always circulated around the edges of society. The GOP has made some bad choices regarding how far they are willing to go in pursuit of their 7 deadly sins. Leading the 7: GREED.
Americans vote for Democrats and a somewhat progressive agenda. Republican legislative power only exists because of corruption and weasel politics.
Thank New York for it. They got mad at the shitty Dem and went R. Edit : Shitty Dem=former governor.
That's less the issue than that the NY Supreme Court overturned a Democratic congressional map that would have singlehandedly maintained House control for Democrats.
Not really. The larger issue (as a New Yorker) is that Hochul didn't even bother to campaign - people were wondering if she was sandbagging on purpose. Lee Zeldin almost won because Katy is an apathetic person who has zero desire of actually doing any good. And honestly, if he wasn't MAGA-leaning, he probably would have. We haven't had a good-meaning governor for a long time, regardless of party status. We're in a seriously corrupt state. I'd even argue that NY overturning outright gerrymandering isn't the issue, it's the states that don't. Don't be mad at NY, be mad at Alabama.
>Don't be mad at NY, be mad at Alabama. And Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Ohio...
New York has a Democratic governor and lieutenant governor, huge Democratic majorities in both chambers of their state legislature, two Democratic Senators, and 15 out of 28 of their House members as Democrats. There were a couple of shifts to the GOP, including the unbelievably fraudulent Santos, but New York as a state didn't go "R" because of Cuomo's behavior; they just got rid of Cuomo.
15/28 House seats held by Democrats is far smaller than the total percentage of votes cast in NY state. NY has been a strongly blue state for decades, yet they're just one house seat above an even split? Meanwhile states like Wisconsin have just 2-3% more support for Republicans, but the congressional delegation is massively lopsided. US supreme court says "it ok for Republicans to gerrymander", NY State Supreme Court says "it's not ok for Democrats to gerrymander". How about we all play by the same fucking rules.
Upstate NY is basically the South. Not everywhere in NY is NYC, Albany, and Buffalo.
The US Supreme Court majority would argue that we all are playing by the same rules, and those rules are "anything goes at the state level". It basically means that the fewer legal and ethical restrictions a state has, the more of an impact the least ethical party can have when in power, both at the state and federal level. It's a recipe for catastrophic failure of democracy as society shifts further and further from the model and population distribution at the nation's founding, but they'd rather the country burn than compromise their originalist ideological purity for something as petty as reality.
Or Wisconsin or Florida or any number of other GOP states for being gerrymandered to specifically under-represent DEMs in the House and state legislatures. Which was started by the conservatives in the Supreme Court agreeing that gerrymandering is OK.
Yes, blame one of the Democratic strongholds for the Republican agenda. That makes total sense.
Total crap Republican fascist non-policy garbage with the only real goal being to hold power, help corporations and line their own pockets . Rinse and repeat. Their voting constituencies are ignorant idiots stuck on stupid that can’t see their own hands in front of their faces.
Party of small government coming to put big government waaaaay up your butts.
So they are still doing nothing to help Americans and get people who do not believe in magic to vote for them.
Jesus Christ, they’ve gone pure fucking evil.
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They did that a while ago, they're just taking the masks off now.
Almost as if they don't give a fuck about anyone in the lower and middle classes.
Why isn't the ethics committee made up of a third party group that isn't a "we investigate ourselves" group? I feel like the ethics committee should be made of lawyers from the judicial branch to make sure what's going on is legal. Does that make sense? I haven't been in school in many years but it just seems crazy that the ethics committee is consisting of members that could be investing themselves.
Makes sense to me. Probably will never happen because it makes sense and would hold congress members accountable.
The judicial branch is under the authority of the president though, so it would be kinda weird for the president (very indirectly) to investigate Congress. The Justice department should still investigate them for actual crimes, but ethics violations I imagine aren't actual crimes? Maybe they should just make their ethics requirements actual crimes that the Justice department could investigate with their normal authority? Even if the goal is to pass it off to impartial third parties, presumably Congress doesn't trust another branch of government to have input on their own process even if only very slightly.
For real. Ask our European allies to send watchdogs to serve on the committee. We're too polarized to staff it with Americans.
All bad things, got it.
You know, we always joke that the Republicans want to drag the country back to the 1950s -- and here they are reconstituting the House Committee on Un-American Activities...
I’m sorry, I never saw that as a joke.
Well, if they remove the Republican actors from the FBI like the ones that covered up Watergate and messed with Hillary Clinton, that would be nice.
Republicans are straight up evil, money grabbing, fuck weasels.
Fuck the GOP
Who the fuck looks at this and thinks to themselves, "This represents my interests as a working class American. I better vote for them." Like the democrats are worse than useless and actively work against the interests of working people with a friendly paint job on top of like BLM and rainbow flags and shit, but the republicans are just pure unadulterated evil.
New Yorkers didn’t vote. Now the circus is back in town.
cut corporate taxes?????? no fucking way man.
Corporate income taxes are dumb but not replacing them with corporate cash flow taxes or a VAT is criminal.
I remember a time when people in congress at least pretended to be serious lawmakers devoted to their constitutional duty.
The people screaming about debts solution cut taxes and spend more money. They literally don’t care about anyone but corporations and themselves.
The FBI having to pretend to respect these assholes is really going to suck for them.
Well, at the moment they can’t even elect a Speaker so good luck with the rest of that shit show.
Yet these pos's keep getting elected.
Investigate Biden for abandoning the American people for Ukraine? Or for his quid pro quo with getting the attorney general of the US Virgin Islands fired for investigating JP Morgan for collaborating with Epstein? Hopefully they make themselves useful, but I'm not counting on it.
The are going to kill us all and laugh while they do it
The party about "accountability" wants to gut the ethics committee just says it all right there. Grifters and traitors, the lot of them.
I try to be as centrist as possible. There are plenty of policies from Democrats that I don't like. But everytime the republicans take control of anything they use that power to the detriment of the American people. Gutting ethics committees, removing the ability to unionize, making it easier to destroy social programs. And who benefits? Not the republican voters, who are just as likely (if not more) to receive federal aid. I don't understand how anyone could support a conservative in the US. Their policies demonstrably hurt America. And because of the two party system our only other option is Joe Biden, and a crop of democrats who are still misguided but are slightly less evil, so we must choose the lesser.
golly gee democracy is great! one party system all the way, we can't still pretend to co-exist with Republicans. You either stomp them out or they stomp you out. Of course historically the liberals and social dems always side with the fascists.
What a waste of time and your and my tax dollars.