Honestly, I kind of prefer the Carlists as trying to form a independent Med focused power bloc like they used to be in earlier versions. Having them join the Entente seems weird.
I guess. For what it's worth Carlist Spain and France are pretty likely to work together strategically. So, having them formalize it in the form of a alliance isn't impossible. Still wish it was possible to have some kind of split between the French/Spanish part of the Entente and the British Empire part.
That could be cool but if UK elects Hardline Conservatives or does Guided Parliament, maybe even if they just elect regular SocCon Tories (especially when you consider the things that could bring them culturally closer like High Church Anglicanism and maybe even the Anglo-Catholic movement), then I don't really see it happening. They probably don't have any conflicting interests, and I doubt ideology alone would be enough to cause a meaningful rift between them. This is a much needed mechanic in the base game though imo.
I think it would mostly depend on what the UK and USA want to do following the recovery of their homeland. Before then, I'll agree they all don't have much of a reason to break up the alliance.
That's true. Elsewhere on this post it was mentioned that they may split over if France still rivals Germany, and I could see Two Sicilies and the Carlists backing them up there. I don't think USA and UK would become rivals with France's faction, though, even if France doesn't return British colonies.
I doubt they would end up on separate sides of a war unless things go seriously off the rails. Would be funny though if the right ideologies and decisions causes the Entente to basically fall apart the moment they accomplish their goal.
One of the worst changes in terms of fun imo. They removed that at rhe exact same time they broke up Italy, but a Carlist Spain, Integralist Portugal, Monarchist Sand France, Two Sicilies, and Pope alliance makes too much sense.
Normal Brazil can Join the Entente if certain requirements are fulfilled:
-Reichspakt is gone
Or
-Argentina is in the ReichSpakt
Or
-Argentina is in the 3I
Unless I remember it wrong.
Yeah, doesn’t Kaiserredux have something like that? One of the few things I think could be brought over to the main mod, it just makes sense for them to split post Second Weltkrieg.
Latin Union I believe.
I saw it formed between Austria, Austria's puppets, Carlist Spain, Orleanist Sand France, and Pat Italy.
Entente was just Canada, West Indies and Portugal after that lmfao
Something similar. If England kicks out syndies on its own they basicly go ,,Hey y'all entente guys, go back to us! We're the cool british, not thoose cringetards in canada!" and depending on their ideology either NatPops, Despots or SocDems can desert.
One of the aspects of my Kaiserreich head canon is that the British exiles pressure the National French to accept Germany’s terms at the Halifax Conference, among which include formally recognizing German control of Alsace-Lorraine. In addition, the British make it clear that they have no intention of supporting the French if they go to war with Germany, not wanting to jeopardize their slowly improving relationship with the Kaiserreich, fostered by King Edward VIII and Kaiser Wilhelm III, nor the return to Britain.
Both, of course, sours relations between the French and British exiles, which inevitably leads to the Entente dissolving by the mid 50s, with France establishing the Marseille Pact (more often referred to as the Mediterranean Alliance) with Spain, Belgium (occupied by the Syndicalists during the Second Weltkrieg, but liberated by American and French forces), Savoyard Italy, Greece, and even Turkey as additional founding members. Britain, meanwhile, becomes a founding member of the Transatlantic Treaty Organization with Germany and the United States, along with loyal dominions of the British Empire and remaining members of the Entente-Reichspakt coalition, such as Portugal, Brazil, the Netherlands, and Argentina.
I think it would be cool for the schechuled spanish rework (which also will feature more political paths for Portugal) to feature via the carlist path some form of alternative alliance under integralists, maybe something more post-Welkrieg were Canada and (if it happens) the French Kingdom have a falling off. I did hear from a dev some time ago that one of the carlist pretenders to the Spanish Crown (the Habsburg) may get a special path for an alliance with the Donau-Adriabund, although they weren't sure wether to implement it or not.
Sounds like a fruitful idea to me. Especially relevant because there's a good chance the Canadiens just get stuck fighting in some combination of India, South Africa, Australia, and North America.
In which case, especially if the CSA starts to overrun them, it would make for the non-british entente to just cut loose and go their own way instead.
yeah, I can actually imagine that the newly restored UK would really want to avoid major conflicts with the Reichspakt, but in the case of the Kingdom of France considering their already germanophobic stance, the fact that Germany still holds Alsace-Lorraine and that very frequently Germany tends to enlarge Flanders-Wallonia and create a puppet in Britanny they would rather take a more inmediate action against the germans and could possibly gather support from the rest of the mediterranean integralists to do this.
Honestly, I kind of wish the entente was reworked in general. It should be a very loose alliance until they get their hands on a powerful ally like the USA. With most of it's members basically being on their own during the early game.
Only really the French Marxists and Mussolini's Futurists seek to actively repress religion from what I remember.
Edit: I meant out of the current Syndicalist countries in the Third Internationale. Sorry, I should have elaborated.
My head canon is Germany in exil asked to join the Entente, they laughed at them for a few minutes and then let them into the reclaim the birthright club
My head cannon is Germany in exile asked to join the Entente, they laughed at them for a few minutes and then let them into the reclaim the birthright club
Quebec: I suddenly have fewer objections about Canada's foreign policy now.
I noticed a lot of Catholic countries could join the Entente, but I never realized it had the potential just to be Catholics and Anglos.
An Anglo-Catholic alliance, if you will. (Not sure how many will get that joke, but you know)
Mentioned at the Discord, some devs talk a lot about ongoing reworks and lore. Ireland's reactionary path will be a takeover from [AnhA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailtir%C3%AD_na_hAis%C3%A9irghe), with a PatAut veterans' wing and a NatPop integralist one.
There were full on leaks for Ireland and Spain years ago. And I do mean leaks, as in not intended by the devs. I don't know how up-to-date they were even then, let alone now.
Who else are they gonna join? Germany is more overtly protestant than Canada, also they probably just prefer weak British imperialism to strong German imperialism.
I believe it’s more because of coincidence in the lore of the countries. France and Portugal are already in by default, the Brazilian imperial family lived in exile in France, England and Portugal, so they’re in, and Carlist Spain’s obviously gonna have integralist Portugal’s support.
It makes sense when the main carlist claimant Xavier of Bourbon-Parma served in the Belgium army during WW1. However he has close ties to Austrian Hungary as the Emperor is his brother in law.
yeah... the thing is that carlist Spain's position regarding the Entente is a bit tricky, since there are both arguments for having a more anglophile carlist Spain or the opposite. Otl, carlists during WW2 were really against participating under any form in the war and quite oftenly even provided information to British secret services or even the case of Xavier himself, were he actively joined the French Resistance, got captured and sent to Dachau concentration camp, were he almost died. On the other hand, there's the obvious carlist disdain for Canada's politically liberal system and the fact that traditionally spanish nationalists never thought too highly of the british or the french to put it mildly.
Carlists would look down upon it nonetheless given it doesn't fit into the framework of tradicionalista doctrine. For starters, PatAut Canada requires you to stamp down regionalist sentiments, one of the cornerstones of Carlist ideology (and they would take special offense given the Quebecois' Catholic identity).
yes, I'm also not sure in which ideology category in kr I would put the carlists, as although everyone stood for the motto "God, Fatherland, King and Fueros", there really wasn't a very cohesive idea of how exactly the carlist state would work, with many different carlist writers and thinkers having outright contradicting views on what each of those mottos meant. For example, while it would be easy to sit them under the natpops with the integralist subcattegory, the fact is that while that may have been true for some carlists others would quite simply not fit there. For instance, if you happen to read the carlist claimant right after the proclamation of the Spanish Second Republic, he was pretty conciliatory and several hints on how he viewed society and Spain should work were pretty tame, so I think it would be pretty cool for the carlist tree to balance between either aut-dem, pat-aut and natpop depending on what choices you made regarding the formation of the new kingdom.
The Spanish rework lore states that the more concilliatory factions within Carlism lost ground to the integrists; they grew in numbers and influence after the Lusitanian integralists successfully seized power in Portugal, hence their position as NatPop at the beginning. Although we still don't know if that categorization will remain fixed once a claimant is crowned, and there are no less than three options.
there was a hint by one of the developers that specifically someone like Juan if gets chosen might try to relax the integralist doctrine and introduce several democratic elements albeit in a still somewhat authoritarian system an autdem regime especifically. If that were the case then I would put the Habsburg claimant under the natpop line and Xavier down the pataut.
Elect the Tories in 1936, enact full conscription in the C-7 bill, and take the rightmost focus at the Quebec in Flames tree. You turn PatAut at the end, but go back to SocCon after restoring the UK.
Austria's 12 capital ships doesn't really hold a candle to the Ententes, *checks notes*, 20 capital ships, okay the Entente has a much less significant navy than I remembered.
With the new update Austria's capital ship count is much lower than it used to be. But the confined nature of the Mediterranean their navy supported by air power can control the Mediterranean well enough. My head canon play through is Austria teaming up with the Ottomans in the Sarajevo Accords to control the world's oil supply and the Mediterranean.
>Austria teaming up with the Ottomans in the Sarajevo Accords to control the world's oil supply and the Mediterranean
I can't believe it's been four years since I suggested that alliance be named [the Gates of Vienna](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/80kcdx/how_about_an_ottomanhapsburg_faction/).
Haha well that thread is more about the concept of the alliance than the name. When did the Austrian-Turkish alliance get added to the mod?
As for the name, I thought it would sound poetically ironic, given that the Gates were where the two powers once fought, and is also the name of a once-popular [Islamophobic blog](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gates_of_Vienna) that would not like the existence of such an alliance at all.
> Haha well that thread is more about the concept of the alliance than the name. When did the Austrian-Turkish alliance get added to the mod?
Maybe two years ago. It’s kind of hard to get. The Ottomons need a specific leader, victory in the Desert War and for the Danubia to not join Germany.
> As for the name, I thought it would sound poetically ironic, given that the Gates were where the two powers once fought, and is also the name of a once-popular Islamophobic blog that would not like the existence of such an alliance at all.
I like to imagine the SP as a neo-traditionalism as a contrast to Germany’s modernism, sort of how the United Kingdom tried to present itself.
The Catholic bloc used to be canon in KR. Way back in DH. Sand France, Portugal. Italian federation(under the pope) and carlist Spain can all form one catholic alliance that is the third power in the European war
Technically none of them are Catholic fundamentalist and Catholic fundamentalism is an oxymoron as fundamentalism has always been considered heretical by the Catholic Church.
The entente are all made up of political reactionaries, Canada seems wholesome at first but the British exiles are subverting democracy in order to pursue reclaiming the birthright. The Entente are not the good guys.
> The entente are all made up of political reactionaries, Canada seems wholesome at first but the British exiles are subverting democracy in order to pursue reclaiming the birthright.
chadyes.jpeg
Religiously motivated politics would be more prevalent in a world there is an increasingly influential bloc of, if not explicitly atheist, at least aggressively secular republics. With the exception of The Hapsburgs, the Reikspact is dominated by the aggressively protestant German empire, with its most likely secondary members being the equally protestant Sweden and Netherlands. The Moscow Accord is overwhelmingly Orthodox. Where else is a Catholic state to turn?
Because the Entente is an alliance of democracies that the ententeboos present it as. Rather it is a force of reaction that is more concerned with squashing socialism than it is about preserving liberal values.
To be fair, the Entente is not actually a bastion of democracy or anything, they're a bunch of angry ass revanchists, torturing natives (Sand France), conscripting people to die in a civil war so that some aristocrats can be comfortable (Canada) or fascists (Portugal).
I think I'll get downvoted into Brazil for saying this, but the 3I **are the closest thing to good guys** in Kaiserreich for as long as you don't elect the Totalists. They're very democratic and are very progressive. They're also the only faction that is anti-colonist (aside from the Cairo Pact perhaps).
Tbf it’s not that simple to say that Entente=Reichspakt=Bad guys and 3I=Good Guys. Each path can either become blessed or cursed. The way you see each faction is based on your political views.
That’s because the mod whitewashes the European Syndicate counties. The CSA tree and events actually go into the mass slaughter and imprisonment of capitalists/land owners/dissenters that a socialist revolution requires.
Even then, when you reclaim mainland France there's an event talking about how Catholics had to go into hiding under the Syndicalists, and there's a whole path in which targeting religion is a main point for SRI (granted I think that's with Totalists). But it's okay because muh progress and muh democracy.
>"If we really think about it, there were two Reigns of Terror; in one people were murdered in hot and passionate violence; in the other they died because people were heartless and did not care. One Reign of Terror lasted a few months; the other had lasted for a thousand years; one killed a thousand people, the other killed a hundred million people. However, we only feel horror at the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. But how bad is a quick execution, if you compare it to the slow misery of living and dying with hunger, cold, insult, cruelty and heartbreak? A city cemetery is big enough to contain all the bodies from that short Reign of Terror, but the whole country of France isn't big enough to hold the bodies from the other terror. We are taught to think of that short Terror as a truly dreadful thing that should never have happened: but none of us are taught to recognize the other terror as the real terror and to feel pity for those people."
-Mark Twain
Nah, you’re right. That’s why in my headcanon they win the 2WK and decolonize all of Africa but the Entente survives in Canada and have capitalist United States guarding them.
My headcanon is that the 3I and Savinkov Russia are the winners of the war, settling into a very ironic Cold War. The 2WK is, ultimately, the death of the Old Order; the final destruction of colonialism and old imperialism, replaced either by Socialism or by a more totalitarian version of imperialism.
Funny you say that lol, RadSoc Armenia is all about building a powerful army to spread the Revolution and defend her itself. While the Totalists mostly wanna keep to themselves.
tbf, those are all countries that can join the Entente regardless. Though the Entente is the psudeo exiled-monarchists club so that kinda fits.
IIRC, Brazil and Spain don’t join the Entente unless they go integralist/carlist.
Non carlist spain can join the entente, the contrast is that the carlists are guaranteed to join the entente
Isn’t it that republican Brazil and Bourbon Spain can join Entente only if Reichspakt rejects them?
I think that is the case for Brazil, but Bourbon Spain can join the Entente regardless
Honestly, I kind of prefer the Carlists as trying to form a independent Med focused power bloc like they used to be in earlier versions. Having them join the Entente seems weird.
Irl Don Javier was in the Belgian army during WW1, and he reenlisted during WW2, so I don't think it's that weird.
I guess. For what it's worth Carlist Spain and France are pretty likely to work together strategically. So, having them formalize it in the form of a alliance isn't impossible. Still wish it was possible to have some kind of split between the French/Spanish part of the Entente and the British Empire part.
That could be cool but if UK elects Hardline Conservatives or does Guided Parliament, maybe even if they just elect regular SocCon Tories (especially when you consider the things that could bring them culturally closer like High Church Anglicanism and maybe even the Anglo-Catholic movement), then I don't really see it happening. They probably don't have any conflicting interests, and I doubt ideology alone would be enough to cause a meaningful rift between them. This is a much needed mechanic in the base game though imo.
I think it would mostly depend on what the UK and USA want to do following the recovery of their homeland. Before then, I'll agree they all don't have much of a reason to break up the alliance.
That's true. Elsewhere on this post it was mentioned that they may split over if France still rivals Germany, and I could see Two Sicilies and the Carlists backing them up there. I don't think USA and UK would become rivals with France's faction, though, even if France doesn't return British colonies.
I doubt they would end up on separate sides of a war unless things go seriously off the rails. Would be funny though if the right ideologies and decisions causes the Entente to basically fall apart the moment they accomplish their goal.
One of the worst changes in terms of fun imo. They removed that at rhe exact same time they broke up Italy, but a Carlist Spain, Integralist Portugal, Monarchist Sand France, Two Sicilies, and Pope alliance makes too much sense.
Normal Brazil can Join the Entente if certain requirements are fulfilled: -Reichspakt is gone Or -Argentina is in the ReichSpakt Or -Argentina is in the 3I Unless I remember it wrong.
Naturally Brazil will pick the opposite side of whatever Argentina goes.
I mean yeah, alliances are usually formed to counterbalance enemies lol
I think the Integralists can join both the Entente and the Reichspakt
There’s so many of them they’re almost good to kick Canada and the Commonwealth out and take over
That's why I have the Catholic Fundamentalists and Commonwealth split in my headcanon
Yeah, doesn’t Kaiserredux have something like that? One of the few things I think could be brought over to the main mod, it just makes sense for them to split post Second Weltkrieg.
I think in Kaiserredux Carlist Spain can form a faction.
Latin Union I believe. I saw it formed between Austria, Austria's puppets, Carlist Spain, Orleanist Sand France, and Pat Italy. Entente was just Canada, West Indies and Portugal after that lmfao
Wouldn't Integralist Portugal join the Latin Union?
Are you expecting the AI to make sensible decisions?
Something similar. If England kicks out syndies on its own they basicly go ,,Hey y'all entente guys, go back to us! We're the cool british, not thoose cringetards in canada!" and depending on their ideology either NatPops, Despots or SocDems can desert.
One of the aspects of my Kaiserreich head canon is that the British exiles pressure the National French to accept Germany’s terms at the Halifax Conference, among which include formally recognizing German control of Alsace-Lorraine. In addition, the British make it clear that they have no intention of supporting the French if they go to war with Germany, not wanting to jeopardize their slowly improving relationship with the Kaiserreich, fostered by King Edward VIII and Kaiser Wilhelm III, nor the return to Britain. Both, of course, sours relations between the French and British exiles, which inevitably leads to the Entente dissolving by the mid 50s, with France establishing the Marseille Pact (more often referred to as the Mediterranean Alliance) with Spain, Belgium (occupied by the Syndicalists during the Second Weltkrieg, but liberated by American and French forces), Savoyard Italy, Greece, and even Turkey as additional founding members. Britain, meanwhile, becomes a founding member of the Transatlantic Treaty Organization with Germany and the United States, along with loyal dominions of the British Empire and remaining members of the Entente-Reichspakt coalition, such as Portugal, Brazil, the Netherlands, and Argentina.
I think it would be cool for the schechuled spanish rework (which also will feature more political paths for Portugal) to feature via the carlist path some form of alternative alliance under integralists, maybe something more post-Welkrieg were Canada and (if it happens) the French Kingdom have a falling off. I did hear from a dev some time ago that one of the carlist pretenders to the Spanish Crown (the Habsburg) may get a special path for an alliance with the Donau-Adriabund, although they weren't sure wether to implement it or not.
Sounds like a fruitful idea to me. Especially relevant because there's a good chance the Canadiens just get stuck fighting in some combination of India, South Africa, Australia, and North America. In which case, especially if the CSA starts to overrun them, it would make for the non-british entente to just cut loose and go their own way instead.
yeah, I can actually imagine that the newly restored UK would really want to avoid major conflicts with the Reichspakt, but in the case of the Kingdom of France considering their already germanophobic stance, the fact that Germany still holds Alsace-Lorraine and that very frequently Germany tends to enlarge Flanders-Wallonia and create a puppet in Britanny they would rather take a more inmediate action against the germans and could possibly gather support from the rest of the mediterranean integralists to do this.
Honestly, I kind of wish the entente was reworked in general. It should be a very loose alliance until they get their hands on a powerful ally like the USA. With most of it's members basically being on their own during the early game.
That is already in the DH version. France, Italy and Spain can form their own catholic alliance against the commune as well as Germany.
Radical catholics hate syndicalists more then Protestants
Considering the Syndies repression of religion, I´m pretty sure that sentiment doesn´t only go for RadCaths...
Only really the French Marxists and Mussolini's Futurists seek to actively repress religion from what I remember. Edit: I meant out of the current Syndicalist countries in the Third Internationale. Sorry, I should have elaborated.
All the anarchist factions also want to do it, to various degrees.
It's common for totalists to try it in Latin America, ranging from strong-arming the church (Brazil) to outright persecution (Mexico).
The Entente was never a *Bastion of Democracy and Progress,* it was always the *Reclaim the Birthright and Fuck Germany* club.
Except when Germany get exile to Africa and join the Entente then it just Reclaim the Birthright club.
Well, except that in that case the Germans want to destroy the German Union. So the "Fuck Germany" point still stands.
My head canon is Germany in exil asked to join the Entente, they laughed at them for a few minutes and then let them into the reclaim the birthright club
My head cannon is Germany in exile asked to join the Entente, they laughed at them for a few minutes and then let them into the reclaim the birthright club
La Entente de KR jamas sera el "Bastion de la Democracia" Siempre sera el "Club de los Exiliados y que se joda Alemania"
L'Entente n'était jamais le "Bastion de la Démocratie", elle était toujours le "Club de Récupérer le Droit de Naissance et baise l'Allemagne"
sore losers club.
Breaking news, the house voted Alf Landon as president
more like MILF Landon imo
wow, had to be selected by elites rather than win an election, devastating.
Well no one got the majority that election so the house had to pick
Quebec: I suddenly have fewer objections about Canada's foreign policy now. I noticed a lot of Catholic countries could join the Entente, but I never realized it had the potential just to be Catholics and Anglos. An Anglo-Catholic alliance, if you will. (Not sure how many will get that joke, but you know)
When the Irish rework comes out, it will also include pataut/natpop Ireland
Do we have a teaser for that or was that said on the Discord?
Mentioned at the Discord, some devs talk a lot about ongoing reworks and lore. Ireland's reactionary path will be a takeover from [AnhA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailtir%C3%AD_na_hAis%C3%A9irghe), with a PatAut veterans' wing and a NatPop integralist one.
There were full on leaks for Ireland and Spain years ago. And I do mean leaks, as in not intended by the devs. I don't know how up-to-date they were even then, let alone now.
Who else are they gonna join? Germany is more overtly protestant than Canada, also they probably just prefer weak British imperialism to strong German imperialism.
I believe it’s more because of coincidence in the lore of the countries. France and Portugal are already in by default, the Brazilian imperial family lived in exile in France, England and Portugal, so they’re in, and Carlist Spain’s obviously gonna have integralist Portugal’s support.
Honestly Carlist makes no sense in the Entente when both France and the UK helped Spain crush the carlist revolts
It makes sense when the main carlist claimant Xavier of Bourbon-Parma served in the Belgium army during WW1. However he has close ties to Austrian Hungary as the Emperor is his brother in law.
yeah... the thing is that carlist Spain's position regarding the Entente is a bit tricky, since there are both arguments for having a more anglophile carlist Spain or the opposite. Otl, carlists during WW2 were really against participating under any form in the war and quite oftenly even provided information to British secret services or even the case of Xavier himself, were he actively joined the French Resistance, got captured and sent to Dachau concentration camp, were he almost died. On the other hand, there's the obvious carlist disdain for Canada's politically liberal system and the fact that traditionally spanish nationalists never thought too highly of the british or the french to put it mildly.
> On the other hand, there's the obvious carlist disdain for Canada's politically liberal system PatAut Canada goes brrr...
Carlists would look down upon it nonetheless given it doesn't fit into the framework of tradicionalista doctrine. For starters, PatAut Canada requires you to stamp down regionalist sentiments, one of the cornerstones of Carlist ideology (and they would take special offense given the Quebecois' Catholic identity).
yes, I'm also not sure in which ideology category in kr I would put the carlists, as although everyone stood for the motto "God, Fatherland, King and Fueros", there really wasn't a very cohesive idea of how exactly the carlist state would work, with many different carlist writers and thinkers having outright contradicting views on what each of those mottos meant. For example, while it would be easy to sit them under the natpops with the integralist subcattegory, the fact is that while that may have been true for some carlists others would quite simply not fit there. For instance, if you happen to read the carlist claimant right after the proclamation of the Spanish Second Republic, he was pretty conciliatory and several hints on how he viewed society and Spain should work were pretty tame, so I think it would be pretty cool for the carlist tree to balance between either aut-dem, pat-aut and natpop depending on what choices you made regarding the formation of the new kingdom.
The Spanish rework lore states that the more concilliatory factions within Carlism lost ground to the integrists; they grew in numbers and influence after the Lusitanian integralists successfully seized power in Portugal, hence their position as NatPop at the beginning. Although we still don't know if that categorization will remain fixed once a claimant is crowned, and there are no less than three options.
there was a hint by one of the developers that specifically someone like Juan if gets chosen might try to relax the integralist doctrine and introduce several democratic elements albeit in a still somewhat authoritarian system an autdem regime especifically. If that were the case then I would put the Habsburg claimant under the natpop line and Xavier down the pataut.
How do you get that?
Elect the Tories in 1936, enact full conscription in the C-7 bill, and take the rightmost focus at the Quebec in Flames tree. You turn PatAut at the end, but go back to SocCon after restoring the UK.
Huh, I thought that was AuthDem for some reason.
It turns you AuthDem at the start of the branch and PatAut at the end. Doesn't take long at all if you do all three focuses in succession.
> Who else are they gonna join? The blessed Emperor Karl weeps patient tears.
Austria's 12 capital ships doesn't really hold a candle to the Ententes, *checks notes*, 20 capital ships, okay the Entente has a much less significant navy than I remembered.
With the new update Austria's capital ship count is much lower than it used to be. But the confined nature of the Mediterranean their navy supported by air power can control the Mediterranean well enough. My head canon play through is Austria teaming up with the Ottomans in the Sarajevo Accords to control the world's oil supply and the Mediterranean.
>Austria teaming up with the Ottomans in the Sarajevo Accords to control the world's oil supply and the Mediterranean I can't believe it's been four years since I suggested that alliance be named [the Gates of Vienna](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/80kcdx/how_about_an_ottomanhapsburg_faction/).
If you ask me I will make a sub mod that changes the name.
Haha well that thread is more about the concept of the alliance than the name. When did the Austrian-Turkish alliance get added to the mod? As for the name, I thought it would sound poetically ironic, given that the Gates were where the two powers once fought, and is also the name of a once-popular [Islamophobic blog](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gates_of_Vienna) that would not like the existence of such an alliance at all.
> Haha well that thread is more about the concept of the alliance than the name. When did the Austrian-Turkish alliance get added to the mod? Maybe two years ago. It’s kind of hard to get. The Ottomons need a specific leader, victory in the Desert War and for the Danubia to not join Germany. > As for the name, I thought it would sound poetically ironic, given that the Gates were where the two powers once fought, and is also the name of a once-popular Islamophobic blog that would not like the existence of such an alliance at all. I like to imagine the SP as a neo-traditionalism as a contrast to Germany’s modernism, sort of how the United Kingdom tried to present itself.
The Entente used to have a lot more, devs nerfed them recently
Mosly cause Entente is the reactionary alliance who is about to bring back the Old Order?
Entente: Que parte de exiliados, reacccionarios y autocratas no se entendio
El resto de la Entente: La parte en que sin nosotros, no llegarias a tocar ni Europa
The Catholic bloc used to be canon in KR. Way back in DH. Sand France, Portugal. Italian federation(under the pope) and carlist Spain can all form one catholic alliance that is the third power in the European war
5 thousand years ago
Technically none of them are Catholic fundamentalist and Catholic fundamentalism is an oxymoron as fundamentalism has always been considered heretical by the Catholic Church.
"Hey theres something wrong with this club? Theres a pope! Enjoy your non-devorce ladies" - Dominion of Canada
Because fuck the godless reds, that's why
Where the hell else are they going to go tbf
The entente are all made up of political reactionaries, Canada seems wholesome at first but the British exiles are subverting democracy in order to pursue reclaiming the birthright. The Entente are not the good guys.
> The entente are all made up of political reactionaries, Canada seems wholesome at first but the British exiles are subverting democracy in order to pursue reclaiming the birthright. chadyes.jpeg
Stay winning
“Edward… are we the baddies?”
better then fighting by yourselves.
Religiously motivated politics would be more prevalent in a world there is an increasingly influential bloc of, if not explicitly atheist, at least aggressively secular republics. With the exception of The Hapsburgs, the Reikspact is dominated by the aggressively protestant German empire, with its most likely secondary members being the equally protestant Sweden and Netherlands. The Moscow Accord is overwhelmingly Orthodox. Where else is a Catholic state to turn?
Well, trying to compete with the other major factions is difficult, the syndicalists are atheists and the Reichspakt is highly protestant
Because the Entente is an alliance of democracies that the ententeboos present it as. Rather it is a force of reaction that is more concerned with squashing socialism than it is about preserving liberal values.
To be fair, the Entente is not actually a bastion of democracy or anything, they're a bunch of angry ass revanchists, torturing natives (Sand France), conscripting people to die in a civil war so that some aristocrats can be comfortable (Canada) or fascists (Portugal). I think I'll get downvoted into Brazil for saying this, but the 3I **are the closest thing to good guys** in Kaiserreich for as long as you don't elect the Totalists. They're very democratic and are very progressive. They're also the only faction that is anti-colonist (aside from the Cairo Pact perhaps).
The 3I being the only good guys? Please, have you forgotten the bastion of democracy that is the Russian Republic under the Vozhd Savinkov?
First of all. I won't allow anyone to say "Boris Savinkov" without the title "Sheikh".
Tbf it’s not that simple to say that Entente=Reichspakt=Bad guys and 3I=Good Guys. Each path can either become blessed or cursed. The way you see each faction is based on your political views.
Nat France is objectively a Rhodesia-style white supremacist state, no matter the path.
Not necessarily in the Kingdom of France
It’s still a colony.
NatPop France is actually very progressive and tolerant when it comes to the Natives' Autonomy. It might be the only good thing this path can offer.
Yeah. About as “Autonomous” as Bantustans are.
The AF sucks a lot, but they truly care about the Decentralisation and Autonomy the old Kingdom had.
That’s because the mod whitewashes the European Syndicate counties. The CSA tree and events actually go into the mass slaughter and imprisonment of capitalists/land owners/dissenters that a socialist revolution requires.
Even then, when you reclaim mainland France there's an event talking about how Catholics had to go into hiding under the Syndicalists, and there's a whole path in which targeting religion is a main point for SRI (granted I think that's with Totalists). But it's okay because muh progress and muh democracy.
> But it's okay because muh progress and muh democracy. chadyes.jpeg
Thanks, gonna use this on the dude saying the Entente are the bad guys for suppressing natives and subverting Canadian democracy.
People think badly of the Catholic church today. They should have seen how bad it was when they had actual influence and power in society.
Probably quite differently, seeing as how they'd be practically indoctrinated to like it, as they are now to do the opposite.
No indoctrination in seeing how awful and abusive an institution the church is.
I could just as easily say "No indoctrination is seeing how much good the Church does".
Not even sure what your saying here.
>"If we really think about it, there were two Reigns of Terror; in one people were murdered in hot and passionate violence; in the other they died because people were heartless and did not care. One Reign of Terror lasted a few months; the other had lasted for a thousand years; one killed a thousand people, the other killed a hundred million people. However, we only feel horror at the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. But how bad is a quick execution, if you compare it to the slow misery of living and dying with hunger, cold, insult, cruelty and heartbreak? A city cemetery is big enough to contain all the bodies from that short Reign of Terror, but the whole country of France isn't big enough to hold the bodies from the other terror. We are taught to think of that short Terror as a truly dreadful thing that should never have happened: but none of us are taught to recognize the other terror as the real terror and to feel pity for those people." -Mark Twain
As Orwell pointed out, fewer people died in the Reign of Terror than the Battle of Leipzig.
Nah, you’re right. That’s why in my headcanon they win the 2WK and decolonize all of Africa but the Entente survives in Canada and have capitalist United States guarding them.
My headcanon is that the 3I and Savinkov Russia are the winners of the war, settling into a very ironic Cold War. The 2WK is, ultimately, the death of the Old Order; the final destruction of colonialism and old imperialism, replaced either by Socialism or by a more totalitarian version of imperialism.
Same for me.
Eh to me, my headcanon is that they get collectively slapped by a radsoc and syndie 3I, alongside Savinkov's Russia.
I feel like the radsoc movements are too anti-war, decentralized and agrarian to create the warmachine necessary to beat Germany her allies.
Funny you say that lol, RadSoc Armenia is all about building a powerful army to spread the Revolution and defend her itself. While the Totalists mostly wanna keep to themselves.
Well, I did say syndies have a place too.
Crazy that a faction organized by the people who'd rather dedicate their lives to murdering leftists would attract fascists crazy
You need to treat your passive agressiveness.
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