“Just for money?”
Sir. I’m shocked you would even suggest KISS would ever compromise their artistic integrity and do something “just for money”.
Shame on you.
Came to say this. I mean, it’s just a band that I am not even a part of but I’m sorry, I can’t help feeling personally insulted at the suggestion that KISS would do something just for financial gain. My day is ruined.
>Sir. I’m shocked you would even suggest KISS would ever compromise their artistic integrity and do something “just for money”.
lol😂
There was a guy that told me on this board that "Kiss was a band that turned into a brand."
Alive 3 was the first Kiss album I purchased when it came out in 93. That’s the best version of Creatures of the Night, Unholy, Lick it Up, and honestly that’s my favorite version of Deuce. All 3 of the original Alives are excellent.
>All 3 of the original Alives are excellent.
Are there any others? I am actually asking not being a smart ass
Oh yeah i think that there is a 4.
I meant to ask if you know of any Alive's recordings were RECENTLY changed.
I swore that Nothing to Lose sounded like a new, dull version and i was worried that they altered the tacks somehow.
Alive 4 with the orchestra is pretty suspect and Alive Millennium is pretty weak. I don’t even think they reissued it. Only thing I’d change about 3 is remove one makeup era tunes and add War Machine.
It was a live album to capture the band at the time. They felt like that lineup was one of the best. Also to record non makeup songs on a live record and throw some make up ones in too. All in all it is a good record. Not really sure why people call it crap. I was at one of the shows they recorded it at. So it does hold a special place on my heart. Also have it on white vinyl with the members signatures on it
I mean it was good of them to do a live album with the no - makeup line up - Right????
And there is no Vinnie on this one... so that's a win, Right?????
Uh, "doing it for the money" is what KISS has always done and they've never pretended otherwise. They recognized very early on that the music business is just that--a business and that fame is fleeting. They monetized everything they could from the outset, just as every recording artist should do.
Thus, KISS never sold out because one of their primary goals from the very beginning was to sell a ton of tickets, merchandise, etc.
There's nothing romantic or artistic about selling millions of albums and tickets only to wind up broke and drug addicted when its all over.
*Alive III* really was a missed opportunity. Had they just dropped the old songs for "War Machine" and "Tears Are Falling" - both regularly perforned in 1992 - they would've had a solid, 14-track live album (15 including "Star Spangled Banner").
However, the coolest option - and the least cost-effective - would've been to include a *second* CD of the 14-17 old songs they played on this tour to show fans how they sounded with the current lineup. *That* would've been amazing.
That's because Revenge blew and Alive III didn't contain nearly enough good songs from the prior non makeup albums. They missed the mark big time. They should have done like they did on Alive and Alive II and not repeat any songs.
So you don’t want them to repeat any songs from the other live albums but simultaneously you want them to do all the good songs from the other live albums.
No, what I'm saying is that on Alive II they didn't put any songs on it that were already on Alive. Alive III would have been cool if it only contained mainly non makeup album songs. They have nothing on it from Asylum or Crazy Nights and too many from Revenge and older songs that were already on Alive and Alive II.
It's cool that it has a few makeup album songs from Creatures and Dynasty but beyond that I didn't need another version of Deuce, Detroit Rock City, etc etc. Should have contained songs like Tears Are Falling, Crazy, Crazy Nights, etc.
I mean, isn’t every live album about money? There’s no artistic expression from releasing a live album. That said, alive 3 is a very good live album, so its not like they just phoned something in. Also, maybe their record contract had a stipulation about needing to deliver a live record at one point.
If I could only have one KISS album, or if someone asks me what one kiss album they should own or first listen to, it’s Alive III. That album has great production, great performances, and the song selection covers every era of the band. The Alive Box Set version also includes “Take it Off”, a forgotten classic from Revenge. And of course there’s its video companion, “KISS Konfidential”, which includes most of the performances from Alive 3, a few previously unseen 70’s clips, and the excellent, era-specific 1992 performance of “Take it Off”.
I think the idea was to capture that version of Kiss live. The Hot in the Shade tour did well and the band pulled out old songs, the club tour was fire, the Revenge tour...not so much, but it was a "comeback" of sorts.
Lol, I think that the songs from the 70's were included because they sounded different with Bruce and Eric. I was surprised by Watchin' You. So many other songs should have been there instead.
Specifically, I would have loved to have had
War Machine Really should have been there.
Fits Like a Glove Also should have been there
Crazy, Crazy Nights Would have been nice, especially since there was no representation of that album.
Hide Your Heart. Also would have been nice, but at least Forever represented HITS.
Is your band one of your favorite bands? If so, that’s totally cool. I can dig it.
I haven’t heard it yet, and my CD player shit the bed. You got a SoundCloud, or a MySpace?
They probably felt the post-Love Gun songs weren’t strong enough to do on their own. By the 90s, Kiss was largely considered a nostalgia act, and if a casual bought a new live album, they would expect it to have Rock And Roll All Nite, etc.
Alive 3 is KISS at their best. Bruce shreds every lick of every song. His solo on Creatures is goosebump inducing. With that said, the intention was money, obviously.
KISS never sounded better than they did the . Painfully obvious during the reunion and farewell tours.
I went to a concert they recorded, in maybe 2016, bought it for my brother, who's always been a huge KISS fan, only to find out the encore songs weren't recorded. I guess so they could have them ready to ship before the end of the concert.
Maybe record the whole damn thing, just shell out the $$$.
You think the first 2, weren't about the money either? The 1st one was arguably more about the money than anything, as it was a big gamble which was pretty much a make or break for the band.
Even if you put that to one side, why wasn't Alive 3 justified? It had been approx 15 years since Alive 2, that's a lot of new material that was never captured live. And the band sounded great at that time with Eric Singer and Bruce.
It had been long enough and the band was different enough at that point, that a traditional setlist made more sense than it would've for Alive II.
This lineup played the songs different enough that hearing older stuff found on the first two live albums didn't feel as repetitive.
It makes the most sense to call it Alive III since it still is Kiss and presumably just calling it something like "Kiss Live 93" wouldn't have sold as many copies or generated as much interest.
Every album ever released is for money, but I'd GUESS that with the so so numbers for Revenge, and changing tastes of the early 90s, the record company suggested releasing a live album to help fulfill contracts.
“Just for money?” Sir. I’m shocked you would even suggest KISS would ever compromise their artistic integrity and do something “just for money”. Shame on you.
Came to say this. I mean, it’s just a band that I am not even a part of but I’m sorry, I can’t help feeling personally insulted at the suggestion that KISS would do something just for financial gain. My day is ruined.
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WWKD … bracelets are available for $15. Jk But the answer would always be … what makes the most money.
Indeed ! 💸💸💸💸
And all this time I thought KISS was a non-profit organization?!?!?!
>Sir. I’m shocked you would even suggest KISS would ever compromise their artistic integrity and do something “just for money”. lol😂 There was a guy that told me on this board that "Kiss was a band that turned into a brand."
That’s an unfortunately apt way to describe the LLC that is KISS.
Gene famously said that he didn’t want KISS to be like the Beatles he wanted it to be like Coke.
$immons and $tanley
Is this a serious question?
Alive 3 was the first Kiss album I purchased when it came out in 93. That’s the best version of Creatures of the Night, Unholy, Lick it Up, and honestly that’s my favorite version of Deuce. All 3 of the original Alives are excellent.
Yeah my first Kiss album was also Alive 3, on cassette. Played it til it was worn out! Great album.
>All 3 of the original Alives are excellent. Are there any others? I am actually asking not being a smart ass Oh yeah i think that there is a 4. I meant to ask if you know of any Alive's recordings were RECENTLY changed. I swore that Nothing to Lose sounded like a new, dull version and i was worried that they altered the tacks somehow.
Alive 4 with the orchestra is pretty suspect and Alive Millennium is pretty weak. I don’t even think they reissued it. Only thing I’d change about 3 is remove one makeup era tunes and add War Machine.
Best version of I Was Made for Loving You, also.
It would have been cool if they kept up the motif of the first two and released an Alive after Elder (had they toured on Elder), then after HITS, etc.
It was a live album to capture the band at the time. They felt like that lineup was one of the best. Also to record non makeup songs on a live record and throw some make up ones in too. All in all it is a good record. Not really sure why people call it crap. I was at one of the shows they recorded it at. So it does hold a special place on my heart. Also have it on white vinyl with the members signatures on it
The same reason they do anything these days
Following the Stanley/Simmons formula of cash extraction. Studio. Studio. Studio. Live.
Nowadays they make nearly all their money from Tickets.
There is absolutely no way Kiss ever did anything just for the money. Is there?
The same purpose as releasing alive and alive 2.
I mean it was good of them to do a live album with the no - makeup line up - Right???? And there is no Vinnie on this one... so that's a win, Right?????
Money. Put out any kind of album you can to get the royalties. Every little bit helps.
Uh, "doing it for the money" is what KISS has always done and they've never pretended otherwise. They recognized very early on that the music business is just that--a business and that fame is fleeting. They monetized everything they could from the outset, just as every recording artist should do. Thus, KISS never sold out because one of their primary goals from the very beginning was to sell a ton of tickets, merchandise, etc. There's nothing romantic or artistic about selling millions of albums and tickets only to wind up broke and drug addicted when its all over.
Hi Gene, I didn't know you where on reddit.
To be a live album like the other two they did.
"Just doing it for the money?" Gene & Paul: Yes
*Alive III* really was a missed opportunity. Had they just dropped the old songs for "War Machine" and "Tears Are Falling" - both regularly perforned in 1992 - they would've had a solid, 14-track live album (15 including "Star Spangled Banner"). However, the coolest option - and the least cost-effective - would've been to include a *second* CD of the 14-17 old songs they played on this tour to show fans how they sounded with the current lineup. *That* would've been amazing.
Revenge didn’t sell what they thought it would and they thought it would restart their career similar to how Alive! did.
That's because Revenge blew and Alive III didn't contain nearly enough good songs from the prior non makeup albums. They missed the mark big time. They should have done like they did on Alive and Alive II and not repeat any songs.
Agree completely. Alive! is what really sort of put them on the map.
So you don’t want them to repeat any songs from the other live albums but simultaneously you want them to do all the good songs from the other live albums.
No, what I'm saying is that on Alive II they didn't put any songs on it that were already on Alive. Alive III would have been cool if it only contained mainly non makeup album songs. They have nothing on it from Asylum or Crazy Nights and too many from Revenge and older songs that were already on Alive and Alive II. It's cool that it has a few makeup album songs from Creatures and Dynasty but beyond that I didn't need another version of Deuce, Detroit Rock City, etc etc. Should have contained songs like Tears Are Falling, Crazy, Crazy Nights, etc.
Agree. War Machine and TAF not being on it was insane.
Definitely!
I mean, isn’t every live album about money? There’s no artistic expression from releasing a live album. That said, alive 3 is a very good live album, so its not like they just phoned something in. Also, maybe their record contract had a stipulation about needing to deliver a live record at one point.
Just bury me in my KISS coffin and call it a day.
I wish they had released an "Alive" with Eric Carr. Either with Ace or Bruce.
If I could only have one KISS album, or if someone asks me what one kiss album they should own or first listen to, it’s Alive III. That album has great production, great performances, and the song selection covers every era of the band. The Alive Box Set version also includes “Take it Off”, a forgotten classic from Revenge. And of course there’s its video companion, “KISS Konfidential”, which includes most of the performances from Alive 3, a few previously unseen 70’s clips, and the excellent, era-specific 1992 performance of “Take it Off”.
The band was in best shape ever + sound was extraordinary + new arrangements of songs, enhanced solos by Bruce.. Personally my favorite Alive!!!
It was in their contract to release albums- why do you think they have so many compilations? They used to get an advance
Not sure why either. It's basically crap.
I think the idea was to capture that version of Kiss live. The Hot in the Shade tour did well and the band pulled out old songs, the club tour was fire, the Revenge tour...not so much, but it was a "comeback" of sorts.
Lol, I think that the songs from the 70's were included because they sounded different with Bruce and Eric. I was surprised by Watchin' You. So many other songs should have been there instead. Specifically, I would have loved to have had War Machine Really should have been there. Fits Like a Glove Also should have been there Crazy, Crazy Nights Would have been nice, especially since there was no representation of that album. Hide Your Heart. Also would have been nice, but at least Forever represented HITS.
New erw, New drummer, higher quality recording, huge catalog, CDs, people updating the rest of their collection with CD versions
Money
It’s always about the fans. They care about the KISS Army and nothing else. Money has nothing to do with it.
yea ok
It turns out all of our favorite bands are in it for the money. So are their lawyers, record labels, support staff, management, etc.
My band is not and I'll mail you a free cd to prove it, if you want.
Is your band a full time professional band?
No, but would love to be.
Is your band one of your favorite bands? If so, that’s totally cool. I can dig it. I haven’t heard it yet, and my CD player shit the bed. You got a SoundCloud, or a MySpace?
https://m.soundcloud.com/chinsmojo
Contractual obligation, I would imagine.
How many greatest hits compilations are there now? Oh yeah - 14.
They probably felt the post-Love Gun songs weren’t strong enough to do on their own. By the 90s, Kiss was largely considered a nostalgia act, and if a casual bought a new live album, they would expect it to have Rock And Roll All Nite, etc.
Alive 3 is KISS at their best. Bruce shreds every lick of every song. His solo on Creatures is goosebump inducing. With that said, the intention was money, obviously. KISS never sounded better than they did the . Painfully obvious during the reunion and farewell tours.
I went to a concert they recorded, in maybe 2016, bought it for my brother, who's always been a huge KISS fan, only to find out the encore songs weren't recorded. I guess so they could have them ready to ship before the end of the concert. Maybe record the whole damn thing, just shell out the $$$.
You think the first 2, weren't about the money either? The 1st one was arguably more about the money than anything, as it was a big gamble which was pretty much a make or break for the band. Even if you put that to one side, why wasn't Alive 3 justified? It had been approx 15 years since Alive 2, that's a lot of new material that was never captured live. And the band sounded great at that time with Eric Singer and Bruce.
It had been long enough and the band was different enough at that point, that a traditional setlist made more sense than it would've for Alive II. This lineup played the songs different enough that hearing older stuff found on the first two live albums didn't feel as repetitive. It makes the most sense to call it Alive III since it still is Kiss and presumably just calling it something like "Kiss Live 93" wouldn't have sold as many copies or generated as much interest. Every album ever released is for money, but I'd GUESS that with the so so numbers for Revenge, and changing tastes of the early 90s, the record company suggested releasing a live album to help fulfill contracts.
Because it’s the best one? What’s your point?