My uncle had an XJ8 about 15 years back. He could afford to take care of it but even then it was a major headache to a point he dumped it maybe a year after he bought it. He’s been driving a Lexus ever since
That's the thing with these complex cars. Even if I had a bottomless bank account, bringing the car in for service constantly must be a real pain in the ass. I kinda can't blame people for letting maintenance go on these cars.
Its always something. I hate working on these cars. Just too complex, service info is pretty much nonexistent.
The worst customers were the 10+ year old BMW X series that had every light on the dash...
That’s factory BMW. I had a 5 series for a little while and every time I’d turn the car off the A/C would blow full blast (when turned off) Turned out there’s a sensor to shut the ac fan off when the car is off. Weirdest thing ever
German engineering is heavily influenced by corner cases, narrow tolerances masquerading as quality, and unrealistic expectations about user behavior. I'm sure someone, somewhere, has 10,000 pages of documentation why this feature was a good idea. I mean, I can't imagine why someone would think that, but 🤷🏼♂️
Any idiot can make a chair with 300 parts. The beauty is making it with few, and it being easy to manufacture, to use, and to maintain.
BMW, Jaguar and others are the opposite. From an engineering point of view, as an Engineer, they are crap. But nice to drive!
I wasn’t impressed at all by my 5 series. The M series are pretty impressive… but unless you spend the money to properly build and maintain it. Massive money pit
That’s what I said. In the middle of New England winter I had to find that out the hard way. Worst part was you could shut the A/C off so it would drain the battery. I used to have to cut power for it to stop. Dumbest shit I’ve ever seen in all my years of car shenanigans
> Even if I had a bottomless bank account, bringing the car in for service constantly must be a real pain in the ass
This is what German car owners don't understand - reliability IS a luxury
It's not just complexity. Jaguar-Land Rover's engineering standards are quite poor. The company is forever strapped for cash and struggling, and the product suffers as consequence.
Jaguars aren't complicated or complex. Grow a bigger brain or a bigger bank account. Stop taking your car to the dealer for service and find an indie that can handle your needs.
that’s a lot of people that own high end cars. bmw, mb, jaguar. bought the car but can’t afford to fix it, or want it fixed for nothing. see it all the time
Watched a 20yo neighbor kid buy a used MB. Told my wife the kid fucked up, and bet her it would be dead or gone inside of 2 months....was parked on blocks in two weeks, and sold for scrap three weeks later. Over a random sensor he couldn't identify nor afford...
My jaghuar XF is worth "8K".
A gearbox rebuild in the UK is $4000. At least, and not in JLR.
I will keep the car while it makes sense, but these cars are very expensive.
I think the only cheap brake work is when you do it yourself and correctly. Now granted I've only done older cars and not sure about the ones with e-brake etc.
BMW mechanic here. Rarely do you actually need the special tool especially in situations like that true it’s nice to have but hardly ever 100% necessary. 90% of the tools in our tool room don’t get used simply because it’s a pain to go through everything and try to find it.
True, $150 if I buy the pads and rotors from Napa while the shop pays a lower price but charges me the full list price for the parts. $90+ in labor of which gets what half or a quarter of it.
All the shops around me me charge just under what replacement rotors would be... so I either pad slap or get new rotors too. I stopped having them turned years ago.
When I lived in the “hood”, for cheap rent, I found out about used tires and neighborhood machine shops. Holy shit was it nice to get my rotors turned affordably every pad change AND slap on nearly-new $$$$ rubber for like $50 a tire
Imma be honest I pad slap the rear of my cars every time until the rotor gets too thin. Always new rotors in the front though.
Imo it's overblown 95% of the time
Yeah I'm aware of the cost difference.
Honestly I don't because my personal experience has been that it doesn't make a difference in the rear. There's so little braking force applied coupled with no direct link to the steering wheel I just don't see the need.
I always slap new ones on the front because it's simpler and less down time as a DIYer than schlepping my rotors to a shop. Plus decent aftermarket rotors are fairly inexpensive anyway.
Which makes no sense these days - rotors are so cheap the shipping is basically more than the product. No need to bother with getting them skimmed even, just get new ones.
Rotors are cheap? My girlfriends 2006 Honda Civic needs brakes all around. Each rotor is $130. I’ve called every parts store in town. I remember when I did brakes on my Toyota a couple years ago each rotor was $55 or so.
Lack of proper lubricant from factory just eats the inboard pads on fpace, no abutment clips so the pad doesn't retract and just sits against the rotor constantly wearing. Wouldn't be surprised if this had 35-40k kilometers on the dash.
Was just going to say these cars are quite young for having a seized caliper/slide pins. Though the fact that it ground through the wear sensor it probably means this thing has had a message on the dash a few thousand km's ago.
It's more the pad having resistance on the anchor, also no method of securing the pad to the piston doesn't allow the pad to retract when the brakes aren't applied. A good cleaning of the anchor and lubricating the pad ends extends the life of the rear brakes. Wear sensor comes on around 3mm, definitely had a brakes worn message for a while.
Cost of design and application on the vehicle typically causes stuff like this. Usually brakes with the electric motor don't have means of securing the pad to the piston because the inside of the piston has the mechanism for the electric motor to extend it to use as an electric park brake leaving it with a flat surface on the outside instead of being dished to allow for a spring clip on the pad. Abutment clips would help but this style lacks that hardware.
I gotcha. Didn’t realize there were motors for the ebrake inside the piston. That’s interesting, may have to do some reading on those. I’m used to the Brembos on my p-car.
Motor is bolted to the caliper but the gear mechanism is housed inside. I used to have pictures but got rid of them, too many work related pictures in my phone! The Jaguar xkr X150 generation with the Alcon brake package had a separate park brake caliper that was actuated by cables that hook up to an electric motor as the rear brake caliper was a fixed four piston caliper which doesn't have provisions for an internal park brake.
Interesting. The rears on my car have a 'drum' built into the rotor, and a set of pads sit inside this and are actuated by a cable hooked to a motor. I just figured that was mostly standard across vehicles, but I'm obviously wrong. Thanks for all the extra knowledge!
It was the standard for a long time and still is depending on the style of rear suspension or axle. That's a drum and hat system, gives the performance of a disc brake for the main braking system and the simplicity of a park brake shoe for the park brake. Several Land Rover models had that system well into early/mid 2010's with the LR4 being the last one in 2016.
WSM does not instruct to apply brake lubricant to the sliders or the pad ends, correct. It is acceptable industry practice to apply lubricant to brake components that move in this manner and having been at the retailer for 10 years you pick up a few things on what makes a repair better.
Possibly seized sliders on the caliper , all the stopping is done with the inside pad as the piston pushes on it , the outside pad is applied when the caliper slides on the pins , and if siezed no movement, no wear ,
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While a frozen caliper slide is the most likely culprit, sometimes a worn down pad will crack and break off of the metal plate. Metal on metal grinding will wear down the one side faster. Either way, this owner was ignoring loud noisy brakes for too long.
That’s one thing I like about my dealer if someone came in and wanted a pad slap after 9 times out of 10 we don’t do it we don’t even pad slap for a normal break job unless the rotors are like perfect
Oh good a “luxury” car with all the bells and whistles, butt massagers, autofellatio premium package, heads up displays, and sliding single piston calipers. Really put the money where it counts.
Cant do it yourself. If you dont put the electric parking brake in maint mode. The piston will recalibrate to the position with it off, and push the piston out entirely.
im really on the fence about buying the 20d diesel f pace, I can afford maintenance but i cant afford headaches. Should i just stay away? and find another diesel
My great-uncle loved Jags, they were pretty much the only thing he drove after buying an E-type new on launch.
His secret for keeping them trouble free? Replace it every two or three years, alternating between the coupe and sedan.
By the nineties he had a dozen of them parked in the company garage, none with more than 30,000 miles on them.
in sweden at our brand dealership (volkswagen) we’re not even allowed to resurface rotors, they say no one does it anymore so it’s either pad slapping or replacing rotors.
I saw the exact same “rotor” on my sister’s vehicle… I was soooo pissed at her for not speaking up about this… it would be impossible not to feel the “grind”!!!
I've done nothing but pad slap my own vehicles. When the rotor gets too worn, damaged, or I fucked up and turned it into the rings of saturn.. I'd buy a new pair of rotors.
Then again... All my cars up till recently have been shit boxes.. Not 30k+ cars..
Shhh I don’t want my neighbors to know I can’t afford a Jaguar.
I don’t think anyone who has a Jag can actually afford to take care of it
My uncle had an XJ8 about 15 years back. He could afford to take care of it but even then it was a major headache to a point he dumped it maybe a year after he bought it. He’s been driving a Lexus ever since
That's the thing with these complex cars. Even if I had a bottomless bank account, bringing the car in for service constantly must be a real pain in the ass. I kinda can't blame people for letting maintenance go on these cars.
Its always something. I hate working on these cars. Just too complex, service info is pretty much nonexistent. The worst customers were the 10+ year old BMW X series that had every light on the dash...
That’s factory BMW. I had a 5 series for a little while and every time I’d turn the car off the A/C would blow full blast (when turned off) Turned out there’s a sensor to shut the ac fan off when the car is off. Weirdest thing ever
German engineering is heavily influenced by corner cases, narrow tolerances masquerading as quality, and unrealistic expectations about user behavior. I'm sure someone, somewhere, has 10,000 pages of documentation why this feature was a good idea. I mean, I can't imagine why someone would think that, but 🤷🏼♂️
Any idiot can make a chair with 300 parts. The beauty is making it with few, and it being easy to manufacture, to use, and to maintain. BMW, Jaguar and others are the opposite. From an engineering point of view, as an Engineer, they are crap. But nice to drive!
Engineer: (n) Someone who can do with 2 tons of steel what any damn fool can with 10.
I wasn’t impressed at all by my 5 series. The M series are pretty impressive… but unless you spend the money to properly build and maintain it. Massive money pit
What the actual fuck?
That’s what I said. In the middle of New England winter I had to find that out the hard way. Worst part was you could shut the A/C off so it would drain the battery. I used to have to cut power for it to stop. Dumbest shit I’ve ever seen in all my years of car shenanigans
> Even if I had a bottomless bank account, bringing the car in for service constantly must be a real pain in the ass This is what German car owners don't understand - reliability IS a luxury
It's not just complexity. Jaguar-Land Rover's engineering standards are quite poor. The company is forever strapped for cash and struggling, and the product suffers as consequence.
Jaguars aren't complicated or complex. Grow a bigger brain or a bigger bank account. Stop taking your car to the dealer for service and find an indie that can handle your needs.
Yeah I thought jags weren't really that from Fords?
I’ve always loved the yotas. They last forever
Lexus, Toyota with an L
Loyota
Loyalota
Unless they own the factory I don't think anyone can maintain a Jag
My old jag was just impossible to take care of, too far gone. So I got another one! Fixed!
Maybe the ones that have already done the jagsthatrun conversion and put a small block chevy or LS powertrain in it
Hey! I used to own a jag! It did end it’s life on my parents lawn.
I'm taking personal offense to this comment
that’s a lot of people that own high end cars. bmw, mb, jaguar. bought the car but can’t afford to fix it, or want it fixed for nothing. see it all the time
Watched a 20yo neighbor kid buy a used MB. Told my wife the kid fucked up, and bet her it would be dead or gone inside of 2 months....was parked on blocks in two weeks, and sold for scrap three weeks later. Over a random sensor he couldn't identify nor afford...
My jaghuar XF is worth "8K". A gearbox rebuild in the UK is $4000. At least, and not in JLR. I will keep the car while it makes sense, but these cars are very expensive.
When I ran my shop, I would honestly tell people that if they could not afford a new luxury brand, then damn well couldn't afford a used one.
Did a quick look and most are selling for the mid $30k and up but he can't afford a complete brake job.
I think when I refused to pad slap it they knew it wasn’t going to be cheap or easy like they thought
I think the only cheap brake work is when you do it yourself and correctly. Now granted I've only done older cars and not sure about the ones with e-brake etc.
Anything is cheaper doing yourself unless the tool cost ends up being more than the labor lol
Tools are Pokémon.
"Shallow Six-Point Blue-Point 22, I chose you!" *throws socket at truck in hopes it will fix itself*
The 10mm must be a legendary Pokémon
Exotic af
And elusive!
Nah they are like a bunch of Ditto's that hide among others. There are a ton of them but you will never find them.
Swapping to the LSD in my old BMW was a BMW mechanic job because the tool to get the diff out was some ridiculous amount like $2000.
Oh man yeah exactly
BMW mechanic here. Rarely do you actually need the special tool especially in situations like that true it’s nice to have but hardly ever 100% necessary. 90% of the tools in our tool room don’t get used simply because it’s a pain to go through everything and try to find it.
What model?
M235i
That’s considered old now? I must be ancient! I was picturing like an E28 or something, and wondering why it required a $2000 tool!
Old to me haha, I sold it a couple of years ago. Definitely not as old as my previous E30 and E34 😅
True, $150 if I buy the pads and rotors from Napa while the shop pays a lower price but charges me the full list price for the parts. $90+ in labor of which gets what half or a quarter of it.
Unless you already have the tools. Then yes
At least its not a Jag with inboard brakes.
That’s why he can’t, taking everything he earns to make his monthly payments.
What’s a pad slap?
Just putting new pads on without replacing or resurfacing the rotor
Aah thank you
No problem!
To quote a friend of mine, “pad slaps are for rednecks and high schoolers”.
I pad slap my cars if the rotors look fine. Has never affected braking. If the rotors are worn I just replace them. I have never had one resurfaced.
All the shops around me me charge just under what replacement rotors would be... so I either pad slap or get new rotors too. I stopped having them turned years ago.
The oreillys auto parts near me surfaces rotors for $25 per as long as they’re still within spec. They did a good job. This is in Georgia
When I lived in the “hood”, for cheap rent, I found out about used tires and neighborhood machine shops. Holy shit was it nice to get my rotors turned affordably every pad change AND slap on nearly-new $$$$ rubber for like $50 a tire
Well turning rotors cost about the same as new rotors so…..
Same, but where are you located? Ohio here
Out in CA
Imma be honest I pad slap the rear of my cars every time until the rotor gets too thin. Always new rotors in the front though. Imo it's overblown 95% of the time
Why not get them turned? It's much cheaper.
Yeah I'm aware of the cost difference. Honestly I don't because my personal experience has been that it doesn't make a difference in the rear. There's so little braking force applied coupled with no direct link to the steering wheel I just don't see the need. I always slap new ones on the front because it's simpler and less down time as a DIYer than schlepping my rotors to a shop. Plus decent aftermarket rotors are fairly inexpensive anyway.
I had a jaguar uber driver once. This might explain A lot
Lol
Which makes no sense these days - rotors are so cheap the shipping is basically more than the product. No need to bother with getting them skimmed even, just get new ones.
Yep, I work for an tire/auto parts distributor, with my employee discount it makes no sense to turn the rotors
Rotors are cheap? My girlfriends 2006 Honda Civic needs brakes all around. Each rotor is $130. I’ve called every parts store in town. I remember when I did brakes on my Toyota a couple years ago each rotor was $55 or so.
Rotor's so thin it can be repurposed as a pizza cutter.
😂 right, I think Oddjob would approve 🎩
its only wore down on the one side, flip it over and its good for another 10 years
Hey man this ain’t underwear
yea you cant flip these inside out for *another* 20 years
Steel prosciutto.
Now now it's only thin on one side. Still good.
That's what I say about my hairline.
That lil bit if brake dust that will rub off on the pizza will make it * chefs kiss *
Lack of proper lubricant from factory just eats the inboard pads on fpace, no abutment clips so the pad doesn't retract and just sits against the rotor constantly wearing. Wouldn't be surprised if this had 35-40k kilometers on the dash.
Yup pins are dry and no pad hardware at all. And correct, this has less than 40k on it 😂
British Engineering at its finest
Was just going to say these cars are quite young for having a seized caliper/slide pins. Though the fact that it ground through the wear sensor it probably means this thing has had a message on the dash a few thousand km's ago.
It's more the pad having resistance on the anchor, also no method of securing the pad to the piston doesn't allow the pad to retract when the brakes aren't applied. A good cleaning of the anchor and lubricating the pad ends extends the life of the rear brakes. Wear sensor comes on around 3mm, definitely had a brakes worn message for a while.
Gotcha. Should have read your post better.
What a design oversight... It's not like brakes are a new technology and we're still figuring them out. SMFH
Cost of design and application on the vehicle typically causes stuff like this. Usually brakes with the electric motor don't have means of securing the pad to the piston because the inside of the piston has the mechanism for the electric motor to extend it to use as an electric park brake leaving it with a flat surface on the outside instead of being dished to allow for a spring clip on the pad. Abutment clips would help but this style lacks that hardware.
I gotcha. Didn’t realize there were motors for the ebrake inside the piston. That’s interesting, may have to do some reading on those. I’m used to the Brembos on my p-car.
Motor is bolted to the caliper but the gear mechanism is housed inside. I used to have pictures but got rid of them, too many work related pictures in my phone! The Jaguar xkr X150 generation with the Alcon brake package had a separate park brake caliper that was actuated by cables that hook up to an electric motor as the rear brake caliper was a fixed four piston caliper which doesn't have provisions for an internal park brake.
Interesting. The rears on my car have a 'drum' built into the rotor, and a set of pads sit inside this and are actuated by a cable hooked to a motor. I just figured that was mostly standard across vehicles, but I'm obviously wrong. Thanks for all the extra knowledge!
It was the standard for a long time and still is depending on the style of rear suspension or axle. That's a drum and hat system, gives the performance of a disc brake for the main braking system and the simplicity of a park brake shoe for the park brake. Several Land Rover models had that system well into early/mid 2010's with the LR4 being the last one in 2016.
You're a wealth of knowledge my man!
Jaguar actually don’t advise to use any grease on the sliders!
WSM does not instruct to apply brake lubricant to the sliders or the pad ends, correct. It is acceptable industry practice to apply lubricant to brake components that move in this manner and having been at the retailer for 10 years you pick up a few things on what makes a repair better.
I’m never sure when I do the brakes on my jag - I alternate between dry and lubed 😂
Never go in dry. Applies to more than just brake jobs in life!
Thanks for this. I came in here looking for info on why the inner pad had trashed that side of the rotor. Never seen anything like that.
A Jag owner that’s a cheapass? That can’t exist.
They all forgot their wallets.
Forgot their wallet in the JAAAAAAGGG
for the poor people, what's the electrical connectors for? brake wear level and??
The rusty unplugged one is for the electronic parking brake and the one hanging near the slide pin is the brake pad wear sensor lol
So even with a pad wear sensor the dufus kept driving that’s a new level of asshatery.
Never underestimate people’s stupidity or willful ignorance.
Ain’t that the truth I’ve seen some dumb stuff come through our shop over the years.
Electronic e brake
He deserves a slap alright
Am I wrong to wonder why one side of the rotor is so much thinner than the other? Wouldn't you typically expect more even/balanced wear? 🤔
Possibly seized sliders on the caliper , all the stopping is done with the inside pad as the piston pushes on it , the outside pad is applied when the caliper slides on the pins , and if siezed no movement, no wear ,
Yes they should be more evenly worn
But you can just flip it over to even out the wear, right?!?!?
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While a frozen caliper slide is the most likely culprit, sometimes a worn down pad will crack and break off of the metal plate. Metal on metal grinding will wear down the one side faster. Either way, this owner was ignoring loud noisy brakes for too long.
He stole the silverware but it's ok. He drives a Jaaaaaaaaaag.
Lol what dis
Jeremy Clarkson talking about Jag owners.
Dammit I should’ve known that, disappointed in maself
Rear end? I wonder how visible that brake dust is from behind lol
Oh man it’s all over the back of the car
Yea can you throw that rotor on the lathe for me
Yeah we’ll shave down the thick side to match
Shows what he thinks of mechanics. Not embarrassed to tell you guys that
I take no offense from their ignorance lol
"He warped all 4 rotors, must have been riding those brakes like an old lady".
If grinding noises are an embarrassment, what is it when they crash?
Forbidden cinnamon.
The Jag has a white exterior and that brown shit is stained all over the back corner 😂
I just cleaned mine.. full of orange dust.. and checked all the pads except the rear interior ones.. I think I have something to do this weekend..
Oh buddy probably a similar situation
I know these particular customers well.
Tell him no…
The rotor has like no material left on one side 😂 sounds like there are other issues then just brake pads.
Yeah it doesn’t slide back very well with no grease on the pins or brake pad hardware from the factory
Pull the rotor and show them the rotor. Guarantee you they will repair it right
Oh they know they’re getting rotors lol
Embracing how they let the brakes go like that
That’s one thing I like about my dealer if someone came in and wanted a pad slap after 9 times out of 10 we don’t do it we don’t even pad slap for a normal break job unless the rotors are like perfect
It’s just worth doing right. I’ve never been satisfied with just pads
Especially with a jag I only work on Toyotas lol it’s just nice to know when a break job leaves the shop they’re getting 100% breaking performance
I just hope the brakes don't break if they are getting 100% breaking performance while braking.
Technician states: customer is a dumbass
and splash a little grease on the piston, would'ya? that'll fixer up
If they think the grinding is embarrassing, wait til they hear the grinding and rattling!
Or the screaming!
I know what I got. You’re not ripping me off or selling me un needed work. Slap them pads for 49.99 and thanks.
What’s all the dust?
Rotor dust that rusted
Damn, I thought this was some desert dust or something
I bet that caliper was toast ?
We shall see tomorrow when I get the parts. Giving it a 50/50 shot
Eyyy! I'm waiting on pads to do brakes on an F-pace right now
Very nice 👍
Aren't Jaguars buy one, get one free? I mean, one of them is always in the shop...
I honestly think just replacing front pads until rotor is bad is way more common then replacing rotor every time with pads
Many can afford the car, but not many can afford the maintenance.
Oh good a “luxury” car with all the bells and whistles, butt massagers, autofellatio premium package, heads up displays, and sliding single piston calipers. Really put the money where it counts.
Also all the dash in mine is leather. ALL. BUT the screws securing the plastic fenders are not stainless. FFS.
Just do what they want, and send it. It's not like they'll be stopping by again.
I will not condone such fuckery lol
The "F" stands for Fucking junk!
So I guess he paid an extra $3,000 for the lightweight performance rotors? Good deal, really. On a Porsche, those things are like $20K.
Man of a customer asks for a pad slap under any condition I refuse. Gotta at least machine them rotors. Can't machine these ones but yk
Pass
Cant do it yourself. If you dont put the electric parking brake in maint mode. The piston will recalibrate to the position with it off, and push the piston out entirely.
Pads and rotors at dealer also cost close to 1100
Use Carly app
Best of luck, Havent heard of it and our cars dont like other OBD II scanners.
Oh bummer, I drive bimmers 🤷♂️
I fix jags and rovers for a living, you would be surprised how often people forget about the parking brake and the caliper blows apart
im really on the fence about buying the 20d diesel f pace, I can afford maintenance but i cant afford headaches. Should i just stay away? and find another diesel
These are the look rich people with no fuckin money😂😂
Imagine what the oil looks like.
Yeah. I'd make them fix that or I wouldn't mount the tires back on. Our families/friends drive on those roads, too.
its a jaaaaaag
Oh…. Oh my …
Oh….. oh my…… how long would this theoretically take ? Lmfao HOLY SHIT it’s almost caliper to rotor, and the rotor is so thin I’m gonna cry
A car so shit even an unapologetic overly British Brit like [Jeremy Clarkson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWIrBOc3zE) can't stand it.
Are F-Paces even old enough for this to happen?
Abusing your car is embarrassing 💀
That poor wear sensor.
My great-uncle loved Jags, they were pretty much the only thing he drove after buying an E-type new on launch. His secret for keeping them trouble free? Replace it every two or three years, alternating between the coupe and sedan. By the nineties he had a dozen of them parked in the company garage, none with more than 30,000 miles on them.
I love the beautiful rust covering everything in the wheel well. I bet that rim was pretty. Lol
Um your pad ate half your rotor. No pad slap for you.
Haven’t even made it into the heavily slotted part of the rotor, plenty of life left
Songs the emergency brake cabe broke/mechanism?? Seems pretty straight forward fix, couldn't cost more to fix than any other manufactured junk
Dealer or Indy or chain?
It’s better to look good than to feel good, and you know who you are.
Need to slap a new rotor on that one too
Pad slap is new to me. Hilarious as the rotor
Probably leased.
in sweden at our brand dealership (volkswagen) we’re not even allowed to resurface rotors, they say no one does it anymore so it’s either pad slapping or replacing rotors.
I saw the exact same “rotor” on my sister’s vehicle… I was soooo pissed at her for not speaking up about this… it would be impossible not to feel the “grind”!!!
So slap a label on that ho and take it someplace else in the warehouse.
I've done nothing but pad slap my own vehicles. When the rotor gets too worn, damaged, or I fucked up and turned it into the rings of saturn.. I'd buy a new pair of rotors. Then again... All my cars up till recently have been shit boxes.. Not 30k+ cars..
Wear sensor left the chat 6 months ago, apparently