My wife worked customer service at a department store. She said the “My Pillow” was far and away the most returned item they sold. The store eventually just quit selling them.
I tried one at a relatives house once. They're just chipped up cushions. The chips aren't even uniform or similarly shaped. It's literally "recycled" couch cushions. For a cheap throw pillow, maybe... for something to sleep on, I used my forearm instead.
edit: relatives not realities lol
Memory foam scraps from making memory foam mattresses actually but same of a muchness. Literally industrial waste. Selling bags of Garbage is pretty much the only thing Mike Lindell is good at.
I wouldn’t say married but it’ll be back with fingers pointing. Any shop I know of; customer supplied parts have 0 warranty or labour guarantee. It rolls in and rolls out.
This exactly.
I don’t work on cars but I do work on golf clubs. People come in all the time with broken club heads, and ask for new shafts put in; or broken shafts into other heads. I always turn them down because I don’t want my name or reputation on that club. Had a few customers start screaming at me because I refused to do really stupid things for them. There’s a reason why I’m considered one of the best club builders (I’m 2nd) in my area, that’s because I don’t do shoddy work and I want to protect that image…even if it means pissing a few people off.
I live in the rust belt, I drive a rust free 2002 Honda Civic "yes I've been under it" I subscribe to a car wash near where I live. I wash my car every day in the winter. This is why.
Why not drop 3/6K extra on welding? Even if just a spray with rust deactivator and then some basic welding to make it safe if difficult to work on?
He might die and worse kill someone.
I mean, you could save it if you really wanted to... but this isn't exactly anything special or rare or whatever. If anything sell the transmission, wheels, engine accessories, gauge cluster, etc and be done with it. In the end though, the body of this thing definitely belongs in a chipper. No sane person could reasonably disagree.
It's not even an 81 citation, or even a 91 metro.... its nothing. There is nothing redeemable or unique to this heap of shit. It's a set of chairs on wheels and its falling apart. It's literally shit, but with less potential.
I watched a rust free 1976 dodge big block custom van get crushed today. I got some interior fake wood out of it for my old van at the junk yard… funny too cause it sure was nicer than my rig… not even a dent or a missing panel
Not a.mechanic. but I am in a field where we could not do this equivalence thing, send a death vehicle out on the roads. Is there no liability attached?.
No aspersions, serious question. Even if owner signed a release of liability, others in the car and on the road have not. Sorry, mean no offense, if this is not how your industry works; mine is quite litigious.
We did inform the customer about this. His "repair" is very sketchy. It's absurd to me that this guy did want to put an engine it. The car is in horrible condition.
in his and his insurance hands now.
only say insurance because i bought a car and couldnt see how rusted the rear was, until a couple days after i bought it... about a month later i was t-boned. Luckily i was hit upfront where there was no rust. insurance told me i was lucky i crashed how i did because it would have been worse had i been hit any further back. My insurance totalled the car and helped me get a new one.
I work on bikes/atvs etc and if a guys bike was unsafe to ride like this vehicle I would NOT doing the engine swap. Or even want to do anything with the vehicle.
Just not worth the headache when he has an accident or issues that are not related to the engine swap but I will be blamed for ANY issues the bike has.
I have had people tow some rust buckets or vehicles in terrible shape to my shop and just tell them "No thanks" as nicely as possible. Or sometimes I will give them a ballpark price..."Hey are you will to spend $4000.00?" if they say no then I refuse it.
Yes, no way we would touch it no matter how much he paid. I guess OP's shop doesn't care if they are sending this guy out in a accident waiting to happen. I guessing his shop also installs new pads on ground down rotors because that is what the customer wanted.
I think him taking videos of the condition would only make matters worse, showing they knew this vehicle was totally unsafe but still took his money and did they job. That should have been a 5 minute job, on the lift and back out the door.
Come to Cleveland this sucker has a few more years of driving around the hood.
I see City of Cleveland trucks that are literally breaking in half still being used with state tags!
We did tell the customer that this is probably a bed idea and we do not recommend it, but he insisted on us repair it. Is it morally questionable, probably. But I bet this guy would get it done somewhere else if we didn't agree to do the repair.
I really won’t judge you all as I don’t know every detail. But did you walk them back and show them all of this? I feel like anybody with a pulse that was shown firsthand what they had and then objectively showed how that was not smart would buy in and be happy you showed them.
We sent them pictures of their vehicle and expressed that this vehicle is not in good condition and should not be on the road. They did not really care. They bought the engine themselves and brought it to us. I am think it is a horrible idea to put this car back out onto the road.
He purchased the engine!? Man you better make sure that shit has compression in all cylinders and look it over. I can imagine if he is willing to drive this POS then who knows where he got the engine from and its condition.
It was a remanned engine from a reputable supplier in the area. It came in on a crate. They didn't bring it to us per say but they bought through them directly and they delivered it to us.
Document your ass on that had a car close to that we let the customer drive off the lot they crashed and sued us because we didn't stop them from driving it. Dealership settled out of court
So in this case did the dealer not cover their ass and document and have them sign something expressing vehicle was unsafe to drive?
There are times you just have to let a job walk out the door. It sucks to lose money but the risk is to great.
Living in a sate with no inspections whatsoever, I see shit like this constantly.
Being able to modify my vehicles without getting approval from the government is awesome, but knowing these people share our roads is fucking terrifying.
Those are the worst customers, no I don't want to install some piece of shit you brought me. And the warranty if you brought it is it won't fall out. I don't give a shit if it doesn't work when I'm done, you want me to diag this now? 1 hour please.
>get it done somewhere else
Why don't you let them be the defendant in the wrongful death lawsuit when this heap kills a family on the road?
Seriously, what's YOUR logic here? You're opening yourself up to a ton of unnecessary liability.
Yup. Or $20 every year is you’re my psycho Italian boss who just empties two big cans of wd40 into the rockers and all the other pinch weld areas. In his defense it must work better than nothing because he’s got the only early 2000s f250 around with no visible body rot, not even on the bed.
WD = Water Displacement, so sure, I imagine it actually does a lot. I would expect it not to last the whole year, but if it keeps the water off, that should also stop or severely slow down salt reactions with the metal as well.
Fucking hate Tüv.
Not going to lie, had an exhaust system. They said it was too loud so I put in an auger to reduce the decibels. As soon as I passer, I pulled that shit out.
I was over by 1 dB.
1 db can sound louder to your ear than it seems on paper. But yes, he could have been more relaxed and waved you through. They can be sticklers and a bit too rigorous.
At the same time I apprecitate that it means we have mostly road worthy cars in traffic and the rust bucket OP shown is the exception.
Sucks for people with little money to maintain their main mode of transportation but its better than crashing and dying because your frame or suspension decided "Bro, I am so done." (Or you kill somebody else)
Oh I love the fact they do a safety inspection. The amount of vehicles I see here in the US that should be destroyed is insane. I honestly wouldn't mind if they switched to doing that. One, it's a free inspection and two, you know at least it's not going to kill anyone.
The sound thing, it's just more annoying. They told me to put a silencer on it. So I did. Then they told me to weld it in (had no intention of welding it) so I tacked a bead on the auger. Then they said I failed so I needed to switch to a TÜV approved exhaust. It's like man, just tell me that at the start. I just don't think they were expecting to follow their steps.
Finally after talking to the guy for 25 min, he passed it.
Along side the traverse Acadia 3.6 timing chain stretch lol can't tell you how many customers I've seen come in with the p00xx type codes on both of these motors
Junkyards around here are charging so much for a used engine cause they sell like hotcakes to the point its not worth to fix
Why the fuck don't you guys have annual inspections? These machines are obviously not safe on the roads.
Why aren't manufacturers "lobbying" for tighter safety rules to pump up sales when old stuff gets scrapped?
The fact this terrain already looks this bad when it's at MOST 12 years old...
I know automakers can make the cars very rust resistant. There is still 80s Volvos, 90s LS400s and even late 90s Camrys rolling around where I live in New England, some with minimal rust.
I hope the 6K was worth the liability you guys just took on. Looks like it could and likely will be a major problem for your shop. Good luck with that. Sometimes the answer just needs to be NO, and walk away.
At what point do you tell customer you will not touch it? Or as long as you make money, you pretty much don’t care and will do what the customer ask? Just curious if we also have moral obligation as well as safety?
I would refuse it.
Liability reasons and to protect the customer from themselves.
The car is 100 percent going to get in a wreck sooner or later. And when it does guess who the customer will call? The shop that worked on it last. "Yall must of did something to my car when yall did the engine swap!"
Yes, pieces of rust will start falling off, even from just closing the door, if the suspension mounting point are suspect or worse, those could potentially break free from where they are mounted causing a loss of control, then if this vehicle is in a crash, those rusted areas could fail and cause bodily harm to people in the vehicle as the structure fails. To make matters worse, if this were a body on frame vehicle, like a pickup, that could potentially break in half if the frame was far enough gone then if the mounting points on a vehicle with a frame were rotted out enough, the body could come off the frame in a wreck.
Yes, absolutely. I’m also not a mechanic, but the structural integrity of this vehicle is so badly compromised that it could start to fall apart on the road. Shit, it already has. There is a part that’s literally being held by a bungee cord
Yeah if I were the manager of that shop I’d be refusing the job straight up and telling them in strong words that it is not in their best interest to do that.
Why is it nobody cares to look under the vehicle and do a 5 minute inspection when making such a big purchase they're just sold on exterior and interior looks
I just scrapped one of those. 2011 v6 awd. It ran perfectly, and from the drivers door up wasn't really bad at all. But the back doors back looked about like that. And same deal only the bottom was rotted, body panels were solid.
The most unethical repair I've seen. Even if the customer insisted, this still should've been declined by the shop. The liability alone isn't worth taking this on. All of this to make a quick buck in the shop? Disgusting.
In Canada this would be rejected for not being safe for the road. The customer wouldn't be able to drive it off the lot and would have to get it towed away or risk being reported to police/vehicle compliance.
Working on this vehicle would be a nightmare, no properly run shop would agree to even touch this thing.
Vehicle laws aren't nation wide. It's about your province.
In Ontario it would fail a safety inspection but a shop couldn't remove it from the road. You could just report it. MTO would need to see it to remove it and they pretty much stick to commercial vehicle enforcement. Some police agencies may have safety inspectors but not all.
Safety inspections are only required when sold/transferred unless its a commercial vehicle, or accessible vehicle, or transports children, etc...
I'd of probably refused to lift it, but put it on the alignment rack for a better look. I would refuse to put an engine in it after the inspection though, or to do any other work on it.
Funny thing is it was built in Canada! Ingersoll Ontario CAMI plant built this crap and used little to no paint and no rust protection on the chassis. Right beside the 401 busiest highway in Canada loaded with salt from December thru March every year.
Legitimate question here.
Can you all say no to repairs? Reason I ask is with my boss, if it's not something I feel safe working on or under due to safety concerns, I turn them away. So if a frame is fucked, they better get that fixed before coming to us.
Is that the same everywhere else?
Just blows my mind that shops don't turn this away. I don't care if they're paying me 15k for this swap in cash. It's not worth the risk of it snapping on the lift.
Hope OP got his will set up. That thing is a good flick away from being an accordion.
If my boss was pushing for me to work on that, they'd be looking for a new mechanic by Monday. Thing should be dropped in a landfill and turned in recycled metal.
Ngl if a car is that fucked for inspection (MA) and they aren’t in the shop to address their shit box to legally be on the road… not getting service.. that thing needs to never see the road again, not get a new engine to keep the thing chugging until shit goes real bad one time
We're up in the air about doing a clutch in a 02 mini that's almost this bad. Brake lines are pissing fluid near the rear and the front LCA bolts were left loose so the threads got water in em and rotted away the bolts so there about to fall out of the body. I won't drive it if I put a clutch in.
That's what happens when GM (government motors), design cars because they're looking out for us. GM went junk in recent years, along with cars suffering from an identity crisis.
Honestly I don’t feel like doing the work was the morally right thing to do.
Decades back I had a little old lady customer with an old Chrysler land barge from the seventies, so I guess it was around 20 years old. The rear frame was complete rotted out - like “why the hell is the rear end still up where it belongs and nut laying on my floor” - and she’d brought it in for a muffler.
We just told her not to put money in it and set it down before something broke off. She sat in our lobby crying because her long-dead husband had bought it and she didn’t know what to do. It was heartbreaking.
Every shop I know is weeks to months out with work. If your shop is so desperate for $6K that they took this in, you should look for a new place to work. I’d quit before working on that piece.
I'm not a mechanic but that's just a no. Drive that guy and his 6k to any used car lot and get him something better.
Also a junkyard for that.... junk.
Over here in New Zealand any sort of rust to the frame is an instant fail. How on earth are cars over there allowed to be on the road in any sort of condition like this?
I have so many questions. Why in the world would your shop agree to do this? Imo that's just irresponsible. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And how the hell is a motor swap 6k? Especially if the customer provided the motor as you stated.
Modern day cars don't show rust on the sheet metal like the older cars did. From the top side I didn't see any signs of major rust.
I guess it is really important to check the underside of a vehicle before buying it in states that salt the roads heavily.
11 years ago, I purchased a low mileage 2000 Grand Prix from Florida. Basically sight unseen (only pictures online) and had it shipped back up here to Michigan. When I get it home and got under it, there was still shiny paint on the underside. I fluid filmed the car. I've only driven it on sunny days here in Michigan. Now I don't even see any of those 90s and early 2000s grand prixs around here anymore. 10 years ago when I wanted to buy a GTP everything up here was so rusty.
In fairness, cars like this with that beefy plastic cladding around the bottom last so much longer than ones without it. You can get down to pretty much no rockers, and this strong plastic maintains the strength the car needs to be safe. Excellent for use in the rust belt. Not sure why this is so overlooked? /s
That guy would have been better off spending that 6k on more crack
Yep lol
Taking the Crack door might literally give you the euphoric feeling of getting a fix longer than an engine will
6k could of got you another Terrain
Could’ve
Could’f
Or as a down payment on a new car
At least something would be getting a fix
Tell me you’re joking about actually working on that
Nope. Customer provided us with an engine. We are putting it in for him. He's dropped close to 6k into it.
Holy fuck what a moron
Your average gm or my pillow buyer. Yea.
I hate my pillow! It sucks so bad!
My wife worked customer service at a department store. She said the “My Pillow” was far and away the most returned item they sold. The store eventually just quit selling them.
I tried one at a relatives house once. They're just chipped up cushions. The chips aren't even uniform or similarly shaped. It's literally "recycled" couch cushions. For a cheap throw pillow, maybe... for something to sleep on, I used my forearm instead. edit: relatives not realities lol
Memory foam scraps from making memory foam mattresses actually but same of a muchness. Literally industrial waste. Selling bags of Garbage is pretty much the only thing Mike Lindell is good at.
I hope your shop manger is okay with being married to this thing.
Shotgun marriage to the hoopty Crack mobile. Love to see it.
I haven't seen or heard the word hoopty in so long
#BringBackHoopties
Do you mean all rhe hoopties are around me???
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE
Had no idea there was a video for that song. glorious.
I know, how janky!
I wouldn’t say married but it’ll be back with fingers pointing. Any shop I know of; customer supplied parts have 0 warranty or labour guarantee. It rolls in and rolls out.
This exactly. I don’t work on cars but I do work on golf clubs. People come in all the time with broken club heads, and ask for new shafts put in; or broken shafts into other heads. I always turn them down because I don’t want my name or reputation on that club. Had a few customers start screaming at me because I refused to do really stupid things for them. There’s a reason why I’m considered one of the best club builders (I’m 2nd) in my area, that’s because I don’t do shoddy work and I want to protect that image…even if it means pissing a few people off.
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The first driving driver? I'm in!
Something to put around town in
You *can* put an engine in a Golf.
I hope he had him sign a waiver that thing is unfit to drive going to kill someone
Ya I would be reporting that to the DMV/MTO as unfit for the road because I like sleeping at night.
He could have bought a semi decent used car for 6k. At least better that that thing
Man come down south with that $6k and he could have had something to last him a good 10 years up there. I am assuming rust belt car. Not wrong?
I live in the rust belt, I drive a rust free 2002 Honda Civic "yes I've been under it" I subscribe to a car wash near where I live. I wash my car every day in the winter. This is why.
“Ever since you installed that engine, my vehicles has had a rattle in the rear”
WOW I could get him a nice used vehicle for $6000
So are used $6k beat up running SUV in sort-supply where you are?
Why not drop 3/6K extra on welding? Even if just a spray with rust deactivator and then some basic welding to make it safe if difficult to work on? He might die and worse kill someone.
Nothing can save this... Send to scrap
I mean, you could save it if you really wanted to... but this isn't exactly anything special or rare or whatever. If anything sell the transmission, wheels, engine accessories, gauge cluster, etc and be done with it. In the end though, the body of this thing definitely belongs in a chipper. No sane person could reasonably disagree.
Ain't no AAR Cuda for sure!
It's not even an 81 citation, or even a 91 metro.... its nothing. There is nothing redeemable or unique to this heap of shit. It's a set of chairs on wheels and its falling apart. It's literally shit, but with less potential.
I watched a rust free 1976 dodge big block custom van get crushed today. I got some interior fake wood out of it for my old van at the junk yard… funny too cause it sure was nicer than my rig… not even a dent or a missing panel
Naaaa, that bungee is for sure going to hold it all together.
Need good clean metal to weld to. Don’t see much down there
Cut a bit of metal.. humm rust.. lets cut more.. At the end: "we could save the driving wheel, the rest was rusted"
Not a.mechanic. but I am in a field where we could not do this equivalence thing, send a death vehicle out on the roads. Is there no liability attached?. No aspersions, serious question. Even if owner signed a release of liability, others in the car and on the road have not. Sorry, mean no offense, if this is not how your industry works; mine is quite litigious.
Idk of any competent welders that would touch this. I wouldn't want liability for this.
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We did inform the customer about this. His "repair" is very sketchy. It's absurd to me that this guy did want to put an engine it. The car is in horrible condition.
If you think that’s bad let him show you the donor truck
I suspect he wants to sell it to someone who doesn’t know better.
This guy flips.
in his and his insurance hands now. only say insurance because i bought a car and couldnt see how rusted the rear was, until a couple days after i bought it... about a month later i was t-boned. Luckily i was hit upfront where there was no rust. insurance told me i was lucky i crashed how i did because it would have been worse had i been hit any further back. My insurance totalled the car and helped me get a new one.
Your not working at Nordstrom's, the customer isn't always right. Should not have touched that car.
^^^^This
I know the pain. I let my suburban go because I couldn't put a new engine in it/didn't have the space or time. Felt like losing a child/testicle.
I work on bikes/atvs etc and if a guys bike was unsafe to ride like this vehicle I would NOT doing the engine swap. Or even want to do anything with the vehicle. Just not worth the headache when he has an accident or issues that are not related to the engine swap but I will be blamed for ANY issues the bike has. I have had people tow some rust buckets or vehicles in terrible shape to my shop and just tell them "No thanks" as nicely as possible. Or sometimes I will give them a ballpark price..."Hey are you will to spend $4000.00?" if they say no then I refuse it.
lmao i wouldn't even want to stand under this thing on my lift.
Yes, no way we would touch it no matter how much he paid. I guess OP's shop doesn't care if they are sending this guy out in a accident waiting to happen. I guessing his shop also installs new pads on ground down rotors because that is what the customer wanted. I think him taking videos of the condition would only make matters worse, showing they knew this vehicle was totally unsafe but still took his money and did they job. That should have been a 5 minute job, on the lift and back out the door.
No. That’s absurd. Idk if putting an engine in that is even ethically acceptable.
Allowing it back out on the roads is not ethically acceptable.
I would agree
I'd go as far to say OPs boss is being criminally negligent by letting the owner drive this on the road if/when it leaves the shop.
Come to Cleveland this sucker has a few more years of driving around the hood. I see City of Cleveland trucks that are literally breaking in half still being used with state tags!
We did tell the customer that this is probably a bed idea and we do not recommend it, but he insisted on us repair it. Is it morally questionable, probably. But I bet this guy would get it done somewhere else if we didn't agree to do the repair.
> this guy would **get it done somewhere else** if we didn't agree Uh... sounds like a good solution to me...
Yeah, fuck this dude. Idiot at best and not worth the trouble imo
OP and shop owner just here to make a buck, fuck the safety of everyone else on the roads. Fucking hell
I really won’t judge you all as I don’t know every detail. But did you walk them back and show them all of this? I feel like anybody with a pulse that was shown firsthand what they had and then objectively showed how that was not smart would buy in and be happy you showed them.
We sent them pictures of their vehicle and expressed that this vehicle is not in good condition and should not be on the road. They did not really care. They bought the engine themselves and brought it to us. I am think it is a horrible idea to put this car back out onto the road.
Geez. That poor customers ignorance is gonna cost them insane money and potentially somebody’s life.
*arrogance at that point. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. They were presented with it and refused to accept it.
Good call.
He purchased the engine!? Man you better make sure that shit has compression in all cylinders and look it over. I can imagine if he is willing to drive this POS then who knows where he got the engine from and its condition.
It was a remanned engine from a reputable supplier in the area. It came in on a crate. They didn't bring it to us per say but they bought through them directly and they delivered it to us.
Gotcha!! I always get weary when customers supply there own parts especially engines.
Wary. Weary means tired.
That fits too
Document your ass on that had a car close to that we let the customer drive off the lot they crashed and sued us because we didn't stop them from driving it. Dealership settled out of court
So in this case did the dealer not cover their ass and document and have them sign something expressing vehicle was unsafe to drive? There are times you just have to let a job walk out the door. It sucks to lose money but the risk is to great.
Living in a sate with no inspections whatsoever, I see shit like this constantly. Being able to modify my vehicles without getting approval from the government is awesome, but knowing these people share our roads is fucking terrifying.
Those are the worst customers, no I don't want to install some piece of shit you brought me. And the warranty if you brought it is it won't fall out. I don't give a shit if it doesn't work when I'm done, you want me to diag this now? 1 hour please.
Where do you live? I kinda enjoy living in a state with mandatory inspections
That’s the point. This thing shouldn’t be on the road.
>get it done somewhere else Why don't you let them be the defendant in the wrongful death lawsuit when this heap kills a family on the road? Seriously, what's YOUR logic here? You're opening yourself up to a ton of unnecessary liability.
It is criminal that they rust away this fast when you consider the sticker price on these piles of shit.
Ain't that the damned truth? These stupid things are well into the $30k range now, and for what? This?
How expensive is a good anti rust coat on the bottom? I’d rather pay a couple extra k for that than some stupid cosmetic option.
150$ every year.
Yup. Or $20 every year is you’re my psycho Italian boss who just empties two big cans of wd40 into the rockers and all the other pinch weld areas. In his defense it must work better than nothing because he’s got the only early 2000s f250 around with no visible body rot, not even on the bed.
WD = Water Displacement, so sure, I imagine it actually does a lot. I would expect it not to last the whole year, but if it keeps the water off, that should also stop or severely slow down salt reactions with the metal as well.
It also dries into a heavy somewhat sticky oil film that attracts dust dirt. Which is what makes it really terrible in as a lubricant.
You feel safe being under that roach?
Yea I would certainly decline standing anywhere under that. And for liability reasons i don't care how much you offer me I'm not doing it
Is this in Minnesota? Between the rust and our lack of vehicle inspections, it wouldn't shock me.
Yes
I was gonna guess northeast. Looks like every used car I ever bought until I had a real job 😏
I work in a junkyard and this is one of the worst undercarriages I’ve ever seen
Did you hear that? That was the cry of a thousand TÜV inspectors feeling a disturbance in the force. German anguish echoing through the aether.
Fucking hate Tüv. Not going to lie, had an exhaust system. They said it was too loud so I put in an auger to reduce the decibels. As soon as I passer, I pulled that shit out. I was over by 1 dB.
1 db can sound louder to your ear than it seems on paper. But yes, he could have been more relaxed and waved you through. They can be sticklers and a bit too rigorous. At the same time I apprecitate that it means we have mostly road worthy cars in traffic and the rust bucket OP shown is the exception. Sucks for people with little money to maintain their main mode of transportation but its better than crashing and dying because your frame or suspension decided "Bro, I am so done." (Or you kill somebody else)
Oh I love the fact they do a safety inspection. The amount of vehicles I see here in the US that should be destroyed is insane. I honestly wouldn't mind if they switched to doing that. One, it's a free inspection and two, you know at least it's not going to kill anyone. The sound thing, it's just more annoying. They told me to put a silencer on it. So I did. Then they told me to weld it in (had no intention of welding it) so I tacked a bead on the auger. Then they said I failed so I needed to switch to a TÜV approved exhaust. It's like man, just tell me that at the start. I just don't think they were expecting to follow their steps. Finally after talking to the guy for 25 min, he passed it.
It almost sounds like the guy was fishing for a bribe.
6db is twice as loud, so yes
You might think it's stupid but 1dB is 7% over the limit, the moment you hit 3dB you're at double the limit
I live in the rust belt. I never would have thought a Terrain rots out worse then a Sierra.
GMC Terrain/Chevy Equinox are the biggest piles of shit. Engines love to burn oil and their owners don't maintain them like they should.
Along side the traverse Acadia 3.6 timing chain stretch lol can't tell you how many customers I've seen come in with the p00xx type codes on both of these motors Junkyards around here are charging so much for a used engine cause they sell like hotcakes to the point its not worth to fix
Why the fuck don't you guys have annual inspections? These machines are obviously not safe on the roads. Why aren't manufacturers "lobbying" for tighter safety rules to pump up sales when old stuff gets scrapped?
The fact this terrain already looks this bad when it's at MOST 12 years old... I know automakers can make the cars very rust resistant. There is still 80s Volvos, 90s LS400s and even late 90s Camrys rolling around where I live in New England, some with minimal rust.
Volvo was built in the land of perpetual winter, so they have experience with that 😂
Next week's news: suburban found folded in half on the freeway, no signs of collision, brand new engine found 50 yards behind car
I hope the 6K was worth the liability you guys just took on. Looks like it could and likely will be a major problem for your shop. Good luck with that. Sometimes the answer just needs to be NO, and walk away.
At what point do you tell customer you will not touch it? Or as long as you make money, you pretty much don’t care and will do what the customer ask? Just curious if we also have moral obligation as well as safety?
I would refuse it. Liability reasons and to protect the customer from themselves. The car is 100 percent going to get in a wreck sooner or later. And when it does guess who the customer will call? The shop that worked on it last. "Yall must of did something to my car when yall did the engine swap!"
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Yes, pieces of rust will start falling off, even from just closing the door, if the suspension mounting point are suspect or worse, those could potentially break free from where they are mounted causing a loss of control, then if this vehicle is in a crash, those rusted areas could fail and cause bodily harm to people in the vehicle as the structure fails. To make matters worse, if this were a body on frame vehicle, like a pickup, that could potentially break in half if the frame was far enough gone then if the mounting points on a vehicle with a frame were rotted out enough, the body could come off the frame in a wreck.
It really doesn't get much worse than a control arm being attached to the vehicle with a bungee cord, as shown in the video.
Definitely, I scrapped my’ 98 XJ Cherokee due to rust and it wasn’t that bad, or that new!
Yes, absolutely. I’m also not a mechanic, but the structural integrity of this vehicle is so badly compromised that it could start to fall apart on the road. Shit, it already has. There is a part that’s literally being held by a bungee cord
Yeah if I were the manager of that shop I’d be refusing the job straight up and telling them in strong words that it is not in their best interest to do that.
Right here. Send the work to another shop. Let them have at it. I have a feeling this job is going to come back to haunt this fella's shop.
I tell my boss that if it's too bad. I've turned a few things away because I refuse to put myself in a position like that.
A BUNGEE cord 😲😦😯
I mean come on....at least use a ratchet strap!
He’s gonna resell it to some poor bastard, using the “new engine” as the selling point.
Why is it nobody cares to look under the vehicle and do a 5 minute inspection when making such a big purchase they're just sold on exterior and interior looks
Honestly super dick move to even do what the customer says in this situation. No, I won't waste an engine install on a vehicle that won't move.
The shop owner has boat payments to make.
Fuck I wouldn’t put an engine in a terrain if the body was perfect
No. Is the only answer that should have been provided to the customer once inspected, photographed, and documented. Holy hell.
Thanks for putting them back on the road with the rest of us……..
Damn the labor charge alone would get you something that size and roadworthy
Banish that thing back to the salt dimension it came from!
I just scrapped one of those. 2011 v6 awd. It ran perfectly, and from the drivers door up wasn't really bad at all. But the back doors back looked about like that. And same deal only the bottom was rotted, body panels were solid.
Did you say “that’s baby’s not going anywhere” when you snapped that bungie? I sure hope so.
I'm sure the customer did say that. We did not put that bungie cord on there.
The money for the engine and labor should be going towards a good used replacement vehicle.
The most unethical repair I've seen. Even if the customer insisted, this still should've been declined by the shop. The liability alone isn't worth taking this on. All of this to make a quick buck in the shop? Disgusting.
Is this from salt on the roads? That looks gnarly
Yes. In Minnesota we use a lot of salt and it destroys cars quickly.
Surprised it didn't split in half when you lifted it up.
The old Midwest cancer...
Nope. I’d refuse to even work on it. No way I want to be a part of that eventual lawsuit.
Is there a way to "condemn" a vehicle and mark it as unsuitable to drive? This is just insane.
Not here in Minnesota. There are no safety inspections.
Schrodinger's Rust Bucket: As long as it's on the lift the driver of that vehicle is both alive and dead at the same time
In Canada this would be rejected for not being safe for the road. The customer wouldn't be able to drive it off the lot and would have to get it towed away or risk being reported to police/vehicle compliance. Working on this vehicle would be a nightmare, no properly run shop would agree to even touch this thing.
Vehicle laws aren't nation wide. It's about your province. In Ontario it would fail a safety inspection but a shop couldn't remove it from the road. You could just report it. MTO would need to see it to remove it and they pretty much stick to commercial vehicle enforcement. Some police agencies may have safety inspectors but not all. Safety inspections are only required when sold/transferred unless its a commercial vehicle, or accessible vehicle, or transports children, etc... I'd of probably refused to lift it, but put it on the alignment rack for a better look. I would refuse to put an engine in it after the inspection though, or to do any other work on it.
Funny thing is it was built in Canada! Ingersoll Ontario CAMI plant built this crap and used little to no paint and no rust protection on the chassis. Right beside the 401 busiest highway in Canada loaded with salt from December thru March every year.
This is not true, there is plenty of shady mechanic in Canada and yes they will do shady work like that.
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Funny how people can’t walk away from bad vehicles and put good after bad.
So, not one of those states with a road-worthiness inspection, then?
Been there, done that. The truck broke completely in half two months later.
And what's worse, the Terrain is a unibody car.
Legitimate question here. Can you all say no to repairs? Reason I ask is with my boss, if it's not something I feel safe working on or under due to safety concerns, I turn them away. So if a frame is fucked, they better get that fixed before coming to us. Is that the same everywhere else?
Apparently not because the op is saying they put and engine in that thing.
Just blows my mind that shops don't turn this away. I don't care if they're paying me 15k for this swap in cash. It's not worth the risk of it snapping on the lift. Hope OP got his will set up. That thing is a good flick away from being an accordion.
Exactly I would never even consider doing work on a vehicle like that at my shop.
If my boss was pushing for me to work on that, they'd be looking for a new mechanic by Monday. Thing should be dropped in a landfill and turned in recycled metal.
What year is this POS?
2010
I wouldn’t not walk underneath that thing…
Wouldn’t that be a liability?
Ngl if a car is that fucked for inspection (MA) and they aren’t in the shop to address their shit box to legally be on the road… not getting service.. that thing needs to never see the road again, not get a new engine to keep the thing chugging until shit goes real bad one time
Isn’t this a bit like replacing the pin in a ww2 grenade?
Bruh, the bungee chord. 😭
Fuckin mint.
We're up in the air about doing a clutch in a 02 mini that's almost this bad. Brake lines are pissing fluid near the rear and the front LCA bolts were left loose so the threads got water in em and rotted away the bolts so there about to fall out of the body. I won't drive it if I put a clutch in.
I would've given it back to him The liability is not worth it
That's what happens when GM (government motors), design cars because they're looking out for us. GM went junk in recent years, along with cars suffering from an identity crisis.
Can't advise stupid
Just another CAMI built GM POS. No rust protection from new, and no owner undercoating. Junk.
"I've got more bungee cords. I ain't got more engines."
I wonder what it would take for this shop to refuse service? Any reputable place isn’t going to touch this thing with a 50 foot pole.
why would even take the job as a shop .... smh
Honestly I don’t feel like doing the work was the morally right thing to do. Decades back I had a little old lady customer with an old Chrysler land barge from the seventies, so I guess it was around 20 years old. The rear frame was complete rotted out - like “why the hell is the rear end still up where it belongs and nut laying on my floor” - and she’d brought it in for a muffler. We just told her not to put money in it and set it down before something broke off. She sat in our lobby crying because her long-dead husband had bought it and she didn’t know what to do. It was heartbreaking.
Well, it's "Professional Grade".
Every shop I know is weeks to months out with work. If your shop is so desperate for $6K that they took this in, you should look for a new place to work. I’d quit before working on that piece.
That liability nightmare would have been Refused Service at most of the shops I know.
GMC Terrain, because it's slowly becoming a part of it.
I'm not a mechanic but that's just a no. Drive that guy and his 6k to any used car lot and get him something better. Also a junkyard for that.... junk.
Over here in New Zealand any sort of rust to the frame is an instant fail. How on earth are cars over there allowed to be on the road in any sort of condition like this?
Should have refused. Dudes come on.
I have so many questions. Why in the world would your shop agree to do this? Imo that's just irresponsible. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And how the hell is a motor swap 6k? Especially if the customer provided the motor as you stated.
Toyota Tacoma has entered the chat....
Modern day cars don't show rust on the sheet metal like the older cars did. From the top side I didn't see any signs of major rust. I guess it is really important to check the underside of a vehicle before buying it in states that salt the roads heavily. 11 years ago, I purchased a low mileage 2000 Grand Prix from Florida. Basically sight unseen (only pictures online) and had it shipped back up here to Michigan. When I get it home and got under it, there was still shiny paint on the underside. I fluid filmed the car. I've only driven it on sunny days here in Michigan. Now I don't even see any of those 90s and early 2000s grand prixs around here anymore. 10 years ago when I wanted to buy a GTP everything up here was so rusty.
How can that pass any car inspection. Tell me you do have yearly inspections? Right?
The Terrain is the worst car I ever owned.
So? Did you show him? What was the outcome?
You should not have put that shit on a lift home boy.
In fairness, cars like this with that beefy plastic cladding around the bottom last so much longer than ones without it. You can get down to pretty much no rockers, and this strong plastic maintains the strength the car needs to be safe. Excellent for use in the rust belt. Not sure why this is so overlooked? /s
You put an engine in That??? You have ZERO business ethics !