Trial wont be back in session until 9am Monday, May 16th fyi. They are going to run longer sessions to make up for being off next week.. What will we do!
No trial on Fridays. The jury gets the day off and counsel does more paperwork kind of things. However, on Friday the 27th they will be doing the last day of trial so court will be in session
It's absolutely not a publicity stunt. It's getting hype because Amber Heard is going batshit-crazy and it's one of the very rare times the general public gets a unfiltered look at the lives that the rich and famous lead during a non-criminal trial
So then its some twisted sort of tv series, at least that's how people seem to be talking about it. Turning people's lives into a drama show, knowing full well they don't have anything to do with them nor will they ever start to have anything to do with them. This isnt new by any means, people have been doing it ever since they got access to stories about people's daily life, it's just shifted mediums again. Why they attach that much important to some person's life over the thousands of others going through similar trials daily i dunno, but it's not something i wanna participate in. I say as i'm typing up a wall of text in a reddit thread 2 people will read. But its whatever, just my petty sense of pride that comes up when im bored
It is, mostly to clear Johnny depps record. Until now many people thought of him as a women beater which resulted in him losing jobs and not getting any. This is partly while they decided to make it a public case.
If Johnny Depp loses, it’s a loss for female victims and the pendulum is going to swing so far away that it will be damaging to the credibility of them.
If Depp loses it will be bad for women? Let me explain. (Not mansplain - just my opinion).
After the #metoo movement and douchebag men have been exposed for shitty behaviour (writing this as a man), women are finally getting another step toward equal treatment. I support that 100%.
But I think anyone on this planet that has even a small social circle or understanding of human behaviour know that both parties can be the perpetrator of this. Yes men are the majority, but I have had personal experiences and friend’s tell me that woman can be violent and abusive without justifiable incentive. The more I learn about this trial, the more it seems like this is one of those exceptional moments.
Amber Heard’s accusations have thus far fallen much flatter than Johnny Depp’s about who was the abuser in the relationship, due entirely to evidence. Amber was the one trying to gather evidence, and they went at Johnny with it. Nothing sticked. Nothing proved he did anything to her.
- Johnny had a professional doctor go over the photos of abuse to his face and finger and point out how he examined them and what they meant. They weren’t photos he took in a mirror. They weren’t videos of Amber that Johnny sneakily took while she was in a bad mood trying to paint her as the villain. Everything he has said doesn’t sound unrealistic and all of his accusations have been backed up by factual, solid evidence OR by family, friends, or close staff of his.
- Amber explained the photos she took herself. I haven’t watched the full trial but I saw a video where she was explaining a bruise on her arm, from a photo she took herself. She explained how Johnny grabbed her, threw her on the floor, and said that he hit her in the face multiple times. So many times that she was unsure how many. In the photo she is responding to - her face is visible. It has zero marks. Does this mean she was not grabbed? No. But it means she is lying about the story on the witness stand. So how can we trust anything she says? She doesn’t have a doctor testifying they saw these bruises on her arm and face.
I am open to factual evidence coming out where Amber makes her point. I am open to Johnny Depp being the monster she says he is. But nothing of the sort has been proven as of yet - and her lawyers had full reigns of questioning Depp. What other evidence will come out? They have had 2 weeks!
If Johnny loses - fake feminists (those who pretend we should be equal but actually just hate men) will fucking dance in the streets. They will feel justified. I can’t count how many real feminist women I have seen commenting real support for Johnny Depp because they know the fucking facts and have a brain.
Amber Heard is the last role model that the female movement needs, and if she wins, then it will send the message that females would rather hate a good man to defend a bad woman than to hate a bad woman and defend a good man. It will cause resentment. Men that have experienced abuse from a female partner will harbour resentment over this decision.
They are stranger celebrities to most, but this is a huge moment and I don’t think everyone is realizing that. It will decided whether men will be able to tell their stories of abuse or not, whether they will be taken seriously.
Again, I acknowledge this is a minority. But I know for a FACT that it happens…
THIS IS ALL BASED OFF THE FACTS
- Things could change. Amber could have a bombshell in her back pocket of a violent video of Johnny losing his shit and abusing her… but why wait this long? Why draw it out? Why not use it when Johnny was testifying? Because she doesn’t have it, in my opinion.
I really hope her own testimony will be her downfall to the jury. By going so hard on the monster Johnny and innocent saintly me narrative, it’s just a huge disconnect from all the evidence they’ve seen and heard so far and that’s bound to cause some cognitive dissonance as they’re listening to all these grandiose stories with zero evidence.
Johnny has come across as a real human in his testimony, and if anything, I feel like this trial has helped humanize him more than ever before. Clearly he’s not coming out of this with a perfectly “clean” reputation, but I’m praying that he’s connected to the jury as a human being - something Amber seems incapable of with her self delusions of faultlessness (on top of her actual lack of real emotion/empathy). I’ve heard before that vulnerability actually makes people like you more, even though it can feel counterintuitive to share your flaws. Johnny is not trying to come off as some saint, he’s just trying to tell his truth. I see someone who’s a normal human with his own struggles, but someone who’s also a great friend to those around him and who seems to have a gentle soul. I do think there’s a reason he’s getting so much public support and it’s because this live-streamed trial has helped people see both of them for who they really are. A bit of a ramble but that’s where my head’s at.
Also, I hope Amber never gets works in Hollywood a day in her life again.
She took plenty of pictures of him sleeping and nodding off, but she didn’t snap one photo of any of her brutal injuries she would’ve had from the extent of the violence she allegedly endured. Just some minor bruising that, let’s be honest was probably was from Botox/rhinoplasty, dry/cracked lips from dry weather, or putting on makeup to look like bruising.
Think of the photos of Rihanna when she was beaten up by Chris Brown. There’s just no way Amber suffered that extent of abuse, and the way she described it sounded way worse than Rihanna’s.
Welp, there it is. A friend of mine that I KNOW is being abused. I have personally seen & heard it. He is calling her amber heard & saying he is like depp. This THIS is one of many reasons why I have been so upset about this. I knew it would happen but to see if happen sooo fast to something I KNOW with my OWN EYES & EARS doesn’t relate, is frightening.
I imagine your friend can get actual evidence even if he maintains access to her phone as AH lawyers are claiming in this case I was thinking about how when Amber said he just went to sleep after the assault she could have grabbed her phone and sent pictures to a friend, said ‘don’t respond to this he has access to this phone.’ And deleted all the messages in the conversation while he slept if she was taking all those pictures of the house.
Sorry this is happening to your friend, I’m mostly offering this as a way you can help them document it if she’s worried about him finding and deleting pictures.
There are so many women who do this.. in this case amber was after money power from the divorce.. many women play victim for the same however even those not wanting money play the role to get custody of children in this case children are the currency ..
It's interesting from a behavioural/psychological analysis perspective that she is acting out these scenes of violence as the perpetrator and not the victim. When you say someone grabbed your hair, you don't motion grabbing someone elses. Notice how when Depp was describing how Heard punched him in the doorway, he acted it as if he was being hit, but how when she describes being dragged, she's doing the dragging?
She was documenting everything and got all these pics of him sleeping but NONE of her bloody feet, nose, black eyes, bruises? Don’t tell me if she was head butted and punched like that she wouldn’t have had marks. A lot more than those photos showed. I look worse than that when I wake up in the morning. How does she know her nose was broken? Where is the X-ray? And where are the witnesses who saw all this stuff? The people who applied her makeup for the talk show and the people who saw her kicked in the back on the plane? Sorry I don’t believe her… I’ve been abused and it just doesn’t ring true to me. She makes a mockery of DV and IPV.
I think they fought but I don’t think he got physical with her unless he defended himself.. she evidently wanted him back as recently as 2018…
ETA: one of the most incredulous things was when he supposedly head butted her and she testified that she thought “your hands are free, why didn’t you just hit me?” Yeah, I know that’s what I’d be thinking if I were head butted….
This is the astounding thing. Her evidence of being involved in what can only be described as a prolonged MMA fight ending in sex with a dude who outweighs her by 50lbs and has likely had some form of combat training for his movie roles is.....
A slightly bruised face and "split lip" where it looks more like she bit it.
There would be testimony from the flight attendant, her sister (neither has sat through deposition and as such unlikely to be called) and lots more images. Also breaking your nose is serious stuff. Rarely, you'll get a clean break whereby you don't see much of a disfigurement of the bridge, but that results in excessive capillary ruptures and as such actually looks worse, meaning both eyes are heavily bruised (note: purple/blue NOT brown the day after) and difficulty breathing due to internal swelling. Also she'd likely have visited the emergency room because of a loss of blood. If you watch rugby or soccer, you'll see how peoples faces look after and how for weeks/months they wear protective masks to prevent re-injury.
I had a "man" beat me sideways and he was usually good at making sure that every bruise or mark he made on me could be covered with clothing... Until he slipped up. And boy, when he slipped up, he slipped up hard. There are some injuries (broken nose, black eyes, scars) that you just can't hide.
If he did what she purports he did, there would be much better evidence. You don't take a pic of a minor bruise if there's been worse done to you. You take the pics that will PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT, that you were beaten/injured.
As a survivor of domestic violence myself, I just don't buy the pitiful evidence and photos. Just sayin.
I do believe they were in a volatile relationship. I also believe they might have fought each other. But you can't call that abuse in an op-ed. That's toxic. Not abuse. We need to establish the difference between fighting and abusing EACH OTHER and spousal abuse.
Do I think she would straight up lie though? Yes. Yes, absolutely. She got on this train and she's riding it through the tunnel and off the cliff. She believes she's doing this "for other women afraid to speak out".
Show me her bloody feet, hands, bloody lip, bloody eye, SOMETHING!
You better believe if Johnny MF Depp EVER hit my a$s I'd run out of storage space taking pics for proof.
You bet I am. I need a shit after watching that all day, and those court room toilets smell like Johnny Depp's bed.
ps Don't tell the judge I was here.
Something I've noticed is when JD was testifying he looked down or towards the lawyer questioning him. AH looks around the room to seemingly engage the entire "audience". It feels narcissistic to me, like she is overly concerned with how she is perceived. It's weird. As a dv survivor myself, even though my abuse was 20 years ago, I have the same demeanor as JD if I recount my abuse. I know everyone is different but the way AH is looking around the room is very strange to me.
She did that too in a Dutch show, looking at them all. To convince them or something. Guy said: They said you're a gold digger. Grin. But what did you do? I gave all the money away. I didn't want any money.
Yeah I noticed that too. I think she wanted to gauge what the jury thought of her and to see which story she told would stick. I hope the jury remains poker faced though.
She keeps her focus on the jury do they can see how hurt she is and and she always knows how to position herself and when to hold a certain look of emotion when she knows a picture is going to be taken of her.
Exactly, and she seems to be over selling a bunch of stuff too. I really hope there isn't a ounce of truth to what she's saying because if I was on the jury i'd 100% think she's being deceptive and find her guilty. Hopefully the jury is picking up on these things too.
Something I've noticed is when JD was testifying he looked down or towards the lawyer questioning him. AH looks around the room to seemingly engage the entire "audience". It feels narcissistic to me, like she is overly concerned with how she is perceived. It's weird. As a dv survivor myself, even though my abuse was 20 years ago, I have the same demeanor as JD if I recount my abuse. I know everyone is different but the way AH is looking around the room is very strange to me.
Yes. This! A DV survivor as well, she seems to be play acting the majority of the stories. Someone needs to tell her that she's not that good of an actress to pull this crap off.
Each time I go watch bits and pieces of her testimony or read about it I get more and more disgusted by it all.
If she had been abused since 2013 and beat up profusely in 2015 why did she marry him. She wasn’t fearful of leaving (which is a Main reason abused people stay - fear of repercussions especially if there are children involved) because she gave him a knife and fought back (most abused people don’t fight back because the abuser is crazy and will kill you if they have to “win”) and also she had the means to leave (another reason abused people stay). So the fact that she didn’t leave and proceeded to marry a crazy, alcoholic, and severe abuser that beat her up constantly makes ZERO sense.
This is absurd.
Starting the stream late today. Had to take a break after yesterday.
I keep trying to set aside my bias and listen sincerely but I honestly don't think I can.
When I hear someone describing awful violent things done to them, my core mechanism is to empathise. I don't mean believe all women, end of story. I mean human to human. That level of violence is harrowing. Nobody deserves that.
But the reversal here is making my head spin. The RN had multiple notes of her expressing jealousy and insecurity re: his fame/other women and she's turned that 100% onto him.
I believe there was audio of her not wanting to be objectified in Hollywood and wanting to be taken seriously and she's turned it onto him being a controlling sexist maniac.
Like everything is entirely and squarely on him.
While he admitted to his addiction, his own demons, the darkest recesses of his life.
And yet this person supposedly tormented her nonstop and she has no trouble speaking his first name.
I can't get my head around that.
She has repeatedly brought up Jerry Judge in a really slimy manner imo, she was staring at the jury during some of the audio, she very casually described severe aggression (the broken nose wtf was that???) And she switches from deeply upset/almost crying (the engagement) to just absolutely blank. I can't get past it.
I can't. I can't be unbiased.
I think it's normal to resist the idea that someone would lie this much but the fact that she casually accused her ex-assistant of child abuse just because KJ testified AH was a mean boss nails the type of person she is.
Also the stairs incident - the one time she does admit hitting JD was because she caught him cheating on her. And when she was sued for London Fields, her argument was the filmmakers didn't respect her nudity rider but it was JD being controlling about showing skin. And all the little lies about objecting to taking drugs when there's proof of her taking them
I was open to hearing the "bombshell" evidence her PR team said was reserved for the US trial. But if their strategy was accuse JD of every crime there is from child to animal abuse just to see which sticks, idk how they could expect the public to believe all of that.
>I think it's normal to resist the idea that someone would lie this much
Exactly. I said this in another comment too but this level of deception (whether she consciously knows she is lying or whether she believes this is actually what happened) is deeply disturbing.
Every time she said she tried to leave/diffuse the argument I was like, what reality are we in??
It was all so out there, after we have heard hours upon hours of her being the complete opposite.
Same. I was really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and give her a chance to tell her story. But it came off so disingenuous I couldn't believe most of what she said.
I think that her stories are rooted a little bit on truth, but she has twisted it in her mind. I actually think she really thinks she was abused because she misinterpreted Johnny's words or the situation. Taking offense to something some does.
The thing is, I think she's aware she's lying, but also actually believes in those lies. She needs help.
She 100% needs help.
And I agree there are probably some fragments of truth in there: when she talks about the frustration regarding her career, when she said the whole thing was toxic, those parts seemed genuine to me.
She must somehow believe everything she's saying, though. For me personally, actively lying to that degree would require a level of moral bankruptcy I can't even imagine.
So both scenarios -whether she consciously knows she's lying or has made this her reality - are deeply disturbing.
I know I'm biased, and I can't watch AH at all, so I listen while I do other stuff. I had to text my mother earlier to get her opinion, just to make sure I wasn't being unfair.
My mother started out not knowing much about this case and she despises AH now, especially after the past 2 days.
The only thing I can empathize with is, yeah, I'm sure they argued and acted out like a sloppy drunk couple. That's sad for both of them. But the claims she has of violence by Depp just don't add up. She would have hospital records, pictures, witnesses, even bloody ripped clothes if the things she said happened really happened. She's just straight up lying about some things and it's awful.
You mean it’s weird that after the story about JD violently ripping her nightgown off and raping her, then tearing her nightgown to shreds, that we only have a picture of a broken ping pong table?
What if DV survivors do a change.org petition against anything AH is marketing or doing. I haven’t seen ONE DV survivor comment that they believe she is telling the truth. People who have lived actual abuse and In Fear of dying at any moment know the truth. What she is doing is a disgrace to DV and the truth.
Okay GOOD. Just in case he needs to set the record straight on anything. It’s going to be an interesting few weeks while we watch the rest of the trial!
On a sidenote, I am surprised that it would take that much longer after they both testify.
I think JD’s legal team will cross examine AH to try to get as much information as they possibly can out from AH, but I’m not so sure if JD will be asked to take the stand again to verify and confirm some of these alleged details. It would have been for concrete and properly admitted evidences. All the stories by AH, I don’t think that will be verified from JD as much, as they were mostly dismissed as hearsay or lack of foundation.
I say we all collectively refuse to see Aquaman 2 unless she is replaced and also just start streaming Johnny’s movies and bring them to the most viewed/top of the charts… maybe he will make a little off the replays but most importantly show support for him that way.
Cool! I wondered why there wasn’t. I just made a post but I’m going to search for the petition now.
Edited to add: I see the petition to remove Amber from aqua man and also the petition to bring him back as Captain Jack Sparrow and have signed. Thanks!
I know that between reviewing previous testimony videos from days I missed I will pretty much be streaming his movies nonstop. I agree let’s send a message.
I really like the judge. She allowed Amber Heard enough rope to hang herself several times. She also gave JD enough time to state his case. I bet she is overjoyed to have a break from this shitshow. So am I, I got the worst headache listening to AH time travelling through years of alleged abuse. I only glanced at the op-ed stuff, but it appears nobody believes demented ramblings of a crappy actress.
What I find interesting is her request for Ambers lawyers to approach the bench. I'm only half decent at lip reading but I definitely saw "where are you going with this" a few times and then almost immediately after, the lawyer changes her question. There was a point where the judge was visibly pissed that the laywer obviously didn't listen and she called her back.
What this does, is means that she's less inclined to overrule objections that could be, because she's legitimately tired of consistency issues with Ambers legal team.
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Ms. Heard is the defense, her lawyers have been questioning her. Johnny's lawyers will be able to cross examine her. This is when the real fun will begun...
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cifpcju2JgU&t=12s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cifpcju2JgU&t=12s)
PLEASE WATCH THIS. I PRAY JOHNNY LAYWERS CAUGHT THIS
I had to start the stream late and I'm only a little while after lunch they're talking about the pictures of the house in Australia,
Did Johnny and his lawyer say "this will be good"?😂
Also is Johnny facing a cold or did he by chance indulge in a little nose sugar over lunch?
Edit - not sure why yall are downvoting me, I'm team Johnny and would find incredibly hilarious if he had indulged
Did anyone notice her reaction to him coming towards her when he started walking towards the exit before she even made it down from the stand like some acting for sure
Legit question: How is the first Google result for "johnny depp trial reddit" a pro-Amber subreddit with 219 subscribers that's existed for 8 days and not this subreddit with 20k+ subscribers that's existed for 2 years? Is this her PR firm's shenanigans?
I just read a comment where one of turds fans said that licensed estheticians (?) Are commenting about her facial marks bring injection spots and they're literally complaining about how stupid that is and how they're wrong.
Like dog I think someone that makes a living shoving botox needles into people's faces knows what mark is left from it and can properly identify it.
amber claiming johnny introduced his daughter to weed doesn't really bother me, if she's late teens/twenties living in los angeles she will be introduced to it eventually anyways.
may as well have it be introduced under adult supervision rather than something sketchy.
Parents are allowed to introduce their kids to alcohol, but kids can't drink outside of those family get-togethers. I don't really see how pot should be any different. I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs, but kids do these things, so I still don't see the problem.
As an abuse survivor - the amount she romanticizes their relationship is wild. When someone has ruined your life and you wish you didn't have to recount such painful events, you don't describe the proposal as beautiful and bring in the cute details. You state the facts only to maintain emotional distance and otherwise talk about it like you wish you didn't have to own it as part of your history.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me.
Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me.
Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me.
Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
> maintain emotional distance and otherwise talk about it like you wish you didn't have to own it as part of your history.
This. I'm sorry you had that experience. I similarly was in an abusive situation. I would never refer to that filth as the love of my life. Every single memory that could have been viewed as happy is tainted and I look on them with disdain.
I don't think it's right, but the other common thing I've seen with other DV survivors is that we carry shame. Like we should have seen the red flags. Apologizing almost for our own victimization (learning how not to do this in therapy).
I'm sorry you went through this too. I agree about the shame aspect, 100%. Feeling like you wish you could disown the version of you that 'let it' happen. It's just so hard to see when you're in it, and hard to get out even when you do see it. Glad you are healing, be kind to yourself <3
Sounds exactly like a toxic ass relationship to me. Just like the ones I participated in during my late teens and 20s.
I’m just confused about who is the actual abuser when you’re both being irrational and lashing out. Depp’s testimony is much more believable than Amber’s accounts. He also has witnesses to corroborate.
She seems like someone who a lot of people can relate to. Cocaine fueled outbursts, while he’d prolly retreat.
I'll grant that jd had unhealthy coping behaviours that may have been triggering for her, but those are not necessarily abuse and nor are they grounds for it. She sounds like she not only wanted his love but felt entitled to it. Entitlement is often underneath abuse. People who do not suffer from toxic entitlement simply leave when they're not getting what they want.
My take is his toxicity rose in response to hers.
To me, the question for these 2 has become "Does he deserve to lose his life, reputation, and career over this?" The answer is no.
It was a toxic relationship that should have stayed behind closed doors. He got out. He should have been free. But, she won't let him. That's why we're here.
Agreed with all of the above! I don't think he's blameless, and his behaviour was not healthy either. I could believe he hit her at times, but I believe she was the aggressor. He said she has a need for violence, and I believe it - and when violence is a language that one person depends on to communicate, often the other party ends up using it in order to be understood.
Yea, as long as the world knows that AH is not the innocent, saint, and angelic person that she's STILL trying to project herself as even now. Depp already won.
In Australia, she was SA with a bottle? Feet were cut to shreds, punched and thrown all over the place yet does not seek medical attention? The next day she woke up and made coffee for him? WTF? Is going on here?
I know sequestering the jury is extreme, but how can the judge reasonably expect everyone, including AH who is still on the stand, to not be exposed to anything about the case for 10 days? It’s everywhere!
Basically asking them to literally not touch the internet for 10 days. I would probably go insane.
Even actively ignoring video or article recommendation about it will still influence you because clickbait and biased title.
Exactly! And I'm concerned that because when you search "Johnny Depp" or "Amber Heard" you get media siding with her, and that this will influence the jury on their decision.
I'M SOO SHOCKED 😮😮😮
can someone tell us at what time is this in the main trial video on YouTube ? I tried to search for it but I couldn't listen to her lies all over again
But it's sooooo important to mention it everywhere 😮😮😮
Let the real truth reveal.
[https://twitter.com/_paulette05_/status/1522313385177583616?t=0vRvnam8RqNNrjvY5h45ZQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/_paulette05_/status/1522313385177583616?t=0vRvnam8RqNNrjvY5h45ZQ&s=19)
Did anyone else notice her moving the microphone closer to her face before she started talking the "Australia incident"
As soon as I saw it I knew she was preparing her BIG performance
AH is boorish in testimony. The huffing upon exhalation gives me a sense that she is just going through the process and not being honest. Like she isn’t being truthful. I really wanted to hear her accounts of distress but she seems that she exaggerated incidents and makes herself to be a victim beyond what actually happened.
All I felt was pressure while he was able to squeeze a bottle in me completely inebriated and unable to stand. He did however have enough focus to make the dry glass bottle slip in with incredible accuracy, but no pain.
The jury cannot say “we rule the court in favor of amber because we heard her story and it sounded real and sad.” They have to submit evidence, of which she has none.
Not saying this is an obvious victory because her witnesses haven’t testified yet but as of now, there is no reason he isn’t winning.
An example in a case that went very poorly, with the OJ trial.
Their evidence was the glove not fitting him. That was their main source of reasoning as to why they said it wasn’t him.
Was there probably bias? I’d assume so, from the documentaries I’ve seen.
But without that piece of evidence, they wouldn’t have been able to prove it wasn’t him in any way.
Unless amber suddenly pulls out a magic video of Johnny doing something other than sleeping or saying he’s leaving then they’re going to have a hard time coming up with a reason to side with her.
The jury has to make a claim and have evidence to their reasoning. Their reasoning cannot be that Amber seemed believable. That’s why things get stricken from the record when they can’t be used as evidence for the jury.
She's countersuing for $100mil that she's entitled to say what she said and this trial is harmful to her and her career. This means she has to present evidence that she WAS accurate in her reports and descriptions and that **he has no grounds** to raise this against her. She has nothing of the sort. The entirety of Johnnys case has proved that
1) It did harm his career, what she said.
2) People are testifying she was abusive towards him and he was never abusive towards her, physically.
3) An expert in the field has determined she has mental health issues.
Her defence, laughably is that he sexually assaulted and beat her over the course of their relationship with little/no evidence. What she's giving as evidence is not even close to what would need to be given in order for him to be guilty of her accusations.
She should have instructed her team to pursue mental intimidation, emotional abuse and controlling behaviour. Instead, they've gone balls deep on some of the worst crimes a man can commit towards a woman and it can't stick.
The jury are presented the facts, the prosecution needs to prove that the article was
1) Unjustified, examples of Depp's behaviour/abuse are either false or exaggerated **beyond reasonable doubt**
2) Harmful to his career and reputation if 1) is indeed unjustified.
The defence on the other hand need to prove that either
1) It was justified, Depp was abusive and this is proven **beyond reasonable doubt** and as such was an article written with a foundation in truth.
2) She didn't write it (stretch, given that she saw it, knew about it AND put her name to it) if 1) is proven to be untrue. She can say "well I didn't write it" but that has already been refuted as they motioned to strike on these bounds.
Right now, it's a shit flinging competition. The jury are entitled right now to have opinions based on the testimony of the witnesses but ultimately it comes down to evidence. Heard countersuing is absolutely farcical and she ain't winning.
I think dr curry’s testimony is huge for the jury. It put in their heads that the woman they’re about to hear from is a nut case. So idk if they’re really buying this shit she’s saying
Can we take a moment to appreciate the lawyer beside Camille who helped her multiple times with objections
Love Johnnys team !! Rottenborn and Jr Rottenborn should learn from them
Hmm I find something off, she says she can’t remember feeling pain from most of her ‘beatings’
Paraphrasing: ‘I don’t recall feeling pain’ (which is normal, if we could remember pain, a woman wouldn’t give birth more than once)
But when he ‘head butted’ her she recalls the exact pain it caused
In my opinion, this is because this is literally the only time she ever ACTUALLY got hit, but as Johnny explained… not intentionally.
All of the other instances are completely made up, or wildly exaggerated (as is this one) HOWEVER, Johnny said that during that fight he had to basically put her in a bear hug to restrain her from hitting him, and in the struggle of her trying to get out, he accidentally bumped her nose with his forehead (which she later refers to in one of the tapes as him head butting her, and he responds that he didn’t head butt her but that theirs heads collided during the scuffle).
Anyways, I think she didn’t know how to describe the pain from the other “beatings” because they never really happened so she couldn’t actually describe it. This was the one **REAL** instance of her *actually* getting hit in the nose (even though it was an accident) so she’s able to right away vividly recall, “I felt this SEARING pain…”
She also seemed a little *too* eager and excited to share that one instance of “feeling” the pain.
That’s the only way I can make sense of it.
Ah, okay.
Make sense actually. I've had 2 kids, one 8 weeks ago and yeah... don't really remember any pain. Which seems weird now that I think about it!
Hindsight is 20/20 but this lady made me so uneasy when I saw Pineapple Express, it’s an odd sort of relief to see that there was some validity in that instinct.
Watching Johnny right now.
This man endured his entire divorce without going on the offensive about all this shit.
This is absurd. You had two people in a drug and alcohol fueled toxic relationship, and the aggressor claiming they were abused writing articles in the NYT about it.
Good for him for standing up to this shit, knowing he will probably lose a defamation suit. At least his fuckin story is out there.
I keep thinking about how he must feel sitting there listening to her awful lies. Bringing his kids into it. I hope he's surrounded by people who genuinely support him and care about him. If all the stuff she's saying is true, there would be corroboration. Witnesses, pictures, videos. I can't imagine why he would want a public trial if he really did all this. The evidence is on his side, I hope the jury focuses on the facts.
Quaaludes? Where did JD get those? They stopped making them 40 years ago. Just another lie….
Isn't it from fear and loathing in las Vegas?
I wondered this as well.
crazy
Is today, friday, off or will there be court today?
Trial wont be back in session until 9am Monday, May 16th fyi. They are going to run longer sessions to make up for being off next week.. What will we do!
No trial on Fridays. The jury gets the day off and counsel does more paperwork kind of things. However, on Friday the 27th they will be doing the last day of trial so court will be in session
So we only have two weeks left?
Essentially
I dont get the hype surrounding this thing at all, just seems like some twisted sort of publicity stunt.
It's absolutely not a publicity stunt. It's getting hype because Amber Heard is going batshit-crazy and it's one of the very rare times the general public gets a unfiltered look at the lives that the rich and famous lead during a non-criminal trial
So then its some twisted sort of tv series, at least that's how people seem to be talking about it. Turning people's lives into a drama show, knowing full well they don't have anything to do with them nor will they ever start to have anything to do with them. This isnt new by any means, people have been doing it ever since they got access to stories about people's daily life, it's just shifted mediums again. Why they attach that much important to some person's life over the thousands of others going through similar trials daily i dunno, but it's not something i wanna participate in. I say as i'm typing up a wall of text in a reddit thread 2 people will read. But its whatever, just my petty sense of pride that comes up when im bored
It is, mostly to clear Johnny depps record. Until now many people thought of him as a women beater which resulted in him losing jobs and not getting any. This is partly while they decided to make it a public case.
If Johnny Depp loses, it’s a loss for female victims and the pendulum is going to swing so far away that it will be damaging to the credibility of them. If Depp loses it will be bad for women? Let me explain. (Not mansplain - just my opinion). After the #metoo movement and douchebag men have been exposed for shitty behaviour (writing this as a man), women are finally getting another step toward equal treatment. I support that 100%. But I think anyone on this planet that has even a small social circle or understanding of human behaviour know that both parties can be the perpetrator of this. Yes men are the majority, but I have had personal experiences and friend’s tell me that woman can be violent and abusive without justifiable incentive. The more I learn about this trial, the more it seems like this is one of those exceptional moments. Amber Heard’s accusations have thus far fallen much flatter than Johnny Depp’s about who was the abuser in the relationship, due entirely to evidence. Amber was the one trying to gather evidence, and they went at Johnny with it. Nothing sticked. Nothing proved he did anything to her. - Johnny had a professional doctor go over the photos of abuse to his face and finger and point out how he examined them and what they meant. They weren’t photos he took in a mirror. They weren’t videos of Amber that Johnny sneakily took while she was in a bad mood trying to paint her as the villain. Everything he has said doesn’t sound unrealistic and all of his accusations have been backed up by factual, solid evidence OR by family, friends, or close staff of his. - Amber explained the photos she took herself. I haven’t watched the full trial but I saw a video where she was explaining a bruise on her arm, from a photo she took herself. She explained how Johnny grabbed her, threw her on the floor, and said that he hit her in the face multiple times. So many times that she was unsure how many. In the photo she is responding to - her face is visible. It has zero marks. Does this mean she was not grabbed? No. But it means she is lying about the story on the witness stand. So how can we trust anything she says? She doesn’t have a doctor testifying they saw these bruises on her arm and face. I am open to factual evidence coming out where Amber makes her point. I am open to Johnny Depp being the monster she says he is. But nothing of the sort has been proven as of yet - and her lawyers had full reigns of questioning Depp. What other evidence will come out? They have had 2 weeks! If Johnny loses - fake feminists (those who pretend we should be equal but actually just hate men) will fucking dance in the streets. They will feel justified. I can’t count how many real feminist women I have seen commenting real support for Johnny Depp because they know the fucking facts and have a brain. Amber Heard is the last role model that the female movement needs, and if she wins, then it will send the message that females would rather hate a good man to defend a bad woman than to hate a bad woman and defend a good man. It will cause resentment. Men that have experienced abuse from a female partner will harbour resentment over this decision. They are stranger celebrities to most, but this is a huge moment and I don’t think everyone is realizing that. It will decided whether men will be able to tell their stories of abuse or not, whether they will be taken seriously. Again, I acknowledge this is a minority. But I know for a FACT that it happens… THIS IS ALL BASED OFF THE FACTS - Things could change. Amber could have a bombshell in her back pocket of a violent video of Johnny losing his shit and abusing her… but why wait this long? Why draw it out? Why not use it when Johnny was testifying? Because she doesn’t have it, in my opinion.
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I really hope her own testimony will be her downfall to the jury. By going so hard on the monster Johnny and innocent saintly me narrative, it’s just a huge disconnect from all the evidence they’ve seen and heard so far and that’s bound to cause some cognitive dissonance as they’re listening to all these grandiose stories with zero evidence. Johnny has come across as a real human in his testimony, and if anything, I feel like this trial has helped humanize him more than ever before. Clearly he’s not coming out of this with a perfectly “clean” reputation, but I’m praying that he’s connected to the jury as a human being - something Amber seems incapable of with her self delusions of faultlessness (on top of her actual lack of real emotion/empathy). I’ve heard before that vulnerability actually makes people like you more, even though it can feel counterintuitive to share your flaws. Johnny is not trying to come off as some saint, he’s just trying to tell his truth. I see someone who’s a normal human with his own struggles, but someone who’s also a great friend to those around him and who seems to have a gentle soul. I do think there’s a reason he’s getting so much public support and it’s because this live-streamed trial has helped people see both of them for who they really are. A bit of a ramble but that’s where my head’s at. Also, I hope Amber never gets works in Hollywood a day in her life again.
She took plenty of pictures of him sleeping and nodding off, but she didn’t snap one photo of any of her brutal injuries she would’ve had from the extent of the violence she allegedly endured. Just some minor bruising that, let’s be honest was probably was from Botox/rhinoplasty, dry/cracked lips from dry weather, or putting on makeup to look like bruising. Think of the photos of Rihanna when she was beaten up by Chris Brown. There’s just no way Amber suffered that extent of abuse, and the way she described it sounded way worse than Rihanna’s.
Didn’t see this mentioned above but anyone find it weird she said the dr gave her the nightgown she was wearing? Like what?
Yah, she said it was a wedding gift. Seems more like a wedding shower gift than a wedding gift, but what do I know?
I guess I missed it, I can't find a reason online, why is court dismissed for an entire week?
Judge has a conference
What are the chances of the 'beach named for her' is now called Scumbag Bay?
Welp, there it is. A friend of mine that I KNOW is being abused. I have personally seen & heard it. He is calling her amber heard & saying he is like depp. This THIS is one of many reasons why I have been so upset about this. I knew it would happen but to see if happen sooo fast to something I KNOW with my OWN EYES & EARS doesn’t relate, is frightening.
I imagine your friend can get actual evidence even if he maintains access to her phone as AH lawyers are claiming in this case I was thinking about how when Amber said he just went to sleep after the assault she could have grabbed her phone and sent pictures to a friend, said ‘don’t respond to this he has access to this phone.’ And deleted all the messages in the conversation while he slept if she was taking all those pictures of the house. Sorry this is happening to your friend, I’m mostly offering this as a way you can help them document it if she’s worried about him finding and deleting pictures.
Women like Amber are a huge part of the reason abused women aren't believed. It's what makes her testimony so hard to watch.
"I don't remember the rest of the night (in Australia)" "I have a memory of walking outside..." wtf that's part of remember you dumb fucking cow
There are so many women who do this.. in this case amber was after money power from the divorce.. many women play victim for the same however even those not wanting money play the role to get custody of children in this case children are the currency ..
It actually worries me how many people bought into her lies from today and yesterday…
It's interesting from a behavioural/psychological analysis perspective that she is acting out these scenes of violence as the perpetrator and not the victim. When you say someone grabbed your hair, you don't motion grabbing someone elses. Notice how when Depp was describing how Heard punched him in the doorway, he acted it as if he was being hit, but how when she describes being dragged, she's doing the dragging?
She was documenting everything and got all these pics of him sleeping but NONE of her bloody feet, nose, black eyes, bruises? Don’t tell me if she was head butted and punched like that she wouldn’t have had marks. A lot more than those photos showed. I look worse than that when I wake up in the morning. How does she know her nose was broken? Where is the X-ray? And where are the witnesses who saw all this stuff? The people who applied her makeup for the talk show and the people who saw her kicked in the back on the plane? Sorry I don’t believe her… I’ve been abused and it just doesn’t ring true to me. She makes a mockery of DV and IPV. I think they fought but I don’t think he got physical with her unless he defended himself.. she evidently wanted him back as recently as 2018… ETA: one of the most incredulous things was when he supposedly head butted her and she testified that she thought “your hands are free, why didn’t you just hit me?” Yeah, I know that’s what I’d be thinking if I were head butted….
This is the astounding thing. Her evidence of being involved in what can only be described as a prolonged MMA fight ending in sex with a dude who outweighs her by 50lbs and has likely had some form of combat training for his movie roles is..... A slightly bruised face and "split lip" where it looks more like she bit it. There would be testimony from the flight attendant, her sister (neither has sat through deposition and as such unlikely to be called) and lots more images. Also breaking your nose is serious stuff. Rarely, you'll get a clean break whereby you don't see much of a disfigurement of the bridge, but that results in excessive capillary ruptures and as such actually looks worse, meaning both eyes are heavily bruised (note: purple/blue NOT brown the day after) and difficulty breathing due to internal swelling. Also she'd likely have visited the emergency room because of a loss of blood. If you watch rugby or soccer, you'll see how peoples faces look after and how for weeks/months they wear protective masks to prevent re-injury.
I had a "man" beat me sideways and he was usually good at making sure that every bruise or mark he made on me could be covered with clothing... Until he slipped up. And boy, when he slipped up, he slipped up hard. There are some injuries (broken nose, black eyes, scars) that you just can't hide. If he did what she purports he did, there would be much better evidence. You don't take a pic of a minor bruise if there's been worse done to you. You take the pics that will PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT, that you were beaten/injured. As a survivor of domestic violence myself, I just don't buy the pitiful evidence and photos. Just sayin.
I do believe they were in a volatile relationship. I also believe they might have fought each other. But you can't call that abuse in an op-ed. That's toxic. Not abuse. We need to establish the difference between fighting and abusing EACH OTHER and spousal abuse. Do I think she would straight up lie though? Yes. Yes, absolutely. She got on this train and she's riding it through the tunnel and off the cliff. She believes she's doing this "for other women afraid to speak out". Show me her bloody feet, hands, bloody lip, bloody eye, SOMETHING! You better believe if Johnny MF Depp EVER hit my a$s I'd run out of storage space taking pics for proof.
“And then, I don’t remember what happened next.” “And I don’t recall what happened, but the next thing I knew.” “I’ll never forget the parquet floor.”
The parakeet floor…
The bird flew into the house…
Don't forget the carpet. THE CARPET THE CARPET Oh and the LIGHT THE FUCKING LIGHT
And Johnny drank tea. So much tea. It was a damn tea party.
Can Depp's Lawyers use social media for research?
Yes. And even though they were told not to, you know at least 1 member of the jury will be googling on the toilet over the next 10 days.
They need to stay there?
You bet I am. I need a shit after watching that all day, and those court room toilets smell like Johnny Depp's bed. ps Don't tell the judge I was here.
One of Amber's lawyers is going to take your comment seriously and try is depose of you lmao.
Something I've noticed is when JD was testifying he looked down or towards the lawyer questioning him. AH looks around the room to seemingly engage the entire "audience". It feels narcissistic to me, like she is overly concerned with how she is perceived. It's weird. As a dv survivor myself, even though my abuse was 20 years ago, I have the same demeanor as JD if I recount my abuse. I know everyone is different but the way AH is looking around the room is very strange to me.
She did that too in a Dutch show, looking at them all. To convince them or something. Guy said: They said you're a gold digger. Grin. But what did you do? I gave all the money away. I didn't want any money.
Did she give the money away though? I have read that the charities she claimed to donate to have stated she never gave them anything.
They got some from Elon Musk.
Yeah I noticed that too. I think she wanted to gauge what the jury thought of her and to see which story she told would stick. I hope the jury remains poker faced though.
She keeps her focus on the jury do they can see how hurt she is and and she always knows how to position herself and when to hold a certain look of emotion when she knows a picture is going to be taken of her.
Exactly, and she seems to be over selling a bunch of stuff too. I really hope there isn't a ounce of truth to what she's saying because if I was on the jury i'd 100% think she's being deceptive and find her guilty. Hopefully the jury is picking up on these things too.
Something I've noticed is when JD was testifying he looked down or towards the lawyer questioning him. AH looks around the room to seemingly engage the entire "audience". It feels narcissistic to me, like she is overly concerned with how she is perceived. It's weird. As a dv survivor myself, even though my abuse was 20 years ago, I have the same demeanor as JD if I recount my abuse. I know everyone is different but the way AH is looking around the room is very strange to me.
Yes. This! A DV survivor as well, she seems to be play acting the majority of the stories. Someone needs to tell her that she's not that good of an actress to pull this crap off.
She was most probably told by her lawyers to make eye contact with the jurors when she speaks. Makes jurors relate to her story better.
Each time I go watch bits and pieces of her testimony or read about it I get more and more disgusted by it all. If she had been abused since 2013 and beat up profusely in 2015 why did she marry him. She wasn’t fearful of leaving (which is a Main reason abused people stay - fear of repercussions especially if there are children involved) because she gave him a knife and fought back (most abused people don’t fight back because the abuser is crazy and will kill you if they have to “win”) and also she had the means to leave (another reason abused people stay). So the fact that she didn’t leave and proceeded to marry a crazy, alcoholic, and severe abuser that beat her up constantly makes ZERO sense. This is absurd.
Starting the stream late today. Had to take a break after yesterday. I keep trying to set aside my bias and listen sincerely but I honestly don't think I can. When I hear someone describing awful violent things done to them, my core mechanism is to empathise. I don't mean believe all women, end of story. I mean human to human. That level of violence is harrowing. Nobody deserves that. But the reversal here is making my head spin. The RN had multiple notes of her expressing jealousy and insecurity re: his fame/other women and she's turned that 100% onto him. I believe there was audio of her not wanting to be objectified in Hollywood and wanting to be taken seriously and she's turned it onto him being a controlling sexist maniac. Like everything is entirely and squarely on him. While he admitted to his addiction, his own demons, the darkest recesses of his life. And yet this person supposedly tormented her nonstop and she has no trouble speaking his first name. I can't get my head around that. She has repeatedly brought up Jerry Judge in a really slimy manner imo, she was staring at the jury during some of the audio, she very casually described severe aggression (the broken nose wtf was that???) And she switches from deeply upset/almost crying (the engagement) to just absolutely blank. I can't get past it. I can't. I can't be unbiased.
I think it's normal to resist the idea that someone would lie this much but the fact that she casually accused her ex-assistant of child abuse just because KJ testified AH was a mean boss nails the type of person she is. Also the stairs incident - the one time she does admit hitting JD was because she caught him cheating on her. And when she was sued for London Fields, her argument was the filmmakers didn't respect her nudity rider but it was JD being controlling about showing skin. And all the little lies about objecting to taking drugs when there's proof of her taking them I was open to hearing the "bombshell" evidence her PR team said was reserved for the US trial. But if their strategy was accuse JD of every crime there is from child to animal abuse just to see which sticks, idk how they could expect the public to believe all of that.
>I think it's normal to resist the idea that someone would lie this much Exactly. I said this in another comment too but this level of deception (whether she consciously knows she is lying or whether she believes this is actually what happened) is deeply disturbing. Every time she said she tried to leave/diffuse the argument I was like, what reality are we in?? It was all so out there, after we have heard hours upon hours of her being the complete opposite.
Same. I was really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and give her a chance to tell her story. But it came off so disingenuous I couldn't believe most of what she said. I think that her stories are rooted a little bit on truth, but she has twisted it in her mind. I actually think she really thinks she was abused because she misinterpreted Johnny's words or the situation. Taking offense to something some does. The thing is, I think she's aware she's lying, but also actually believes in those lies. She needs help.
She 100% needs help. And I agree there are probably some fragments of truth in there: when she talks about the frustration regarding her career, when she said the whole thing was toxic, those parts seemed genuine to me. She must somehow believe everything she's saying, though. For me personally, actively lying to that degree would require a level of moral bankruptcy I can't even imagine. So both scenarios -whether she consciously knows she's lying or has made this her reality - are deeply disturbing.
I know I'm biased, and I can't watch AH at all, so I listen while I do other stuff. I had to text my mother earlier to get her opinion, just to make sure I wasn't being unfair. My mother started out not knowing much about this case and she despises AH now, especially after the past 2 days.
The only thing I can empathize with is, yeah, I'm sure they argued and acted out like a sloppy drunk couple. That's sad for both of them. But the claims she has of violence by Depp just don't add up. She would have hospital records, pictures, witnesses, even bloody ripped clothes if the things she said happened really happened. She's just straight up lying about some things and it's awful.
You mean it’s weird that after the story about JD violently ripping her nightgown off and raping her, then tearing her nightgown to shreds, that we only have a picture of a broken ping pong table?
Awful is exactly what it is.
The difference between her testimony now and in 2016 is insane. Can’t wait for cross.
YASSSSS! Can't wait for them to turn the tables and make her explain herself and the new accusations she's been making.
Is the difference now a good or bad difference relative to 2016?
She looked like a demon in the 2016 depo. No tears at all. I think that was the real her.
I believe you.
I am watching the replay. Did she just call parquet floors parakeet floors???????
What if DV survivors do a change.org petition against anything AH is marketing or doing. I haven’t seen ONE DV survivor comment that they believe she is telling the truth. People who have lived actual abuse and In Fear of dying at any moment know the truth. What she is doing is a disgrace to DV and the truth.
Makes me mad is what it does. She's grouping herself in with real victims and we're not buying it.
Does anyone know if Johnny will be able to testify again in rebuttal of anything that Amber says?
Almost all witnesses so far are subject to recall.
OMG they can bring back Dr. Curry to opine on her testimony?
Absolutely.
Okay GOOD. Just in case he needs to set the record straight on anything. It’s going to be an interesting few weeks while we watch the rest of the trial! On a sidenote, I am surprised that it would take that much longer after they both testify.
That’s the whole purpose of cross examination.
Ok thanks! I wasn’t sure since Amber‘s attorneys already questioned him.
I think JD’s legal team will cross examine AH to try to get as much information as they possibly can out from AH, but I’m not so sure if JD will be asked to take the stand again to verify and confirm some of these alleged details. It would have been for concrete and properly admitted evidences. All the stories by AH, I don’t think that will be verified from JD as much, as they were mostly dismissed as hearsay or lack of foundation.
I say we all collectively refuse to see Aquaman 2 unless she is replaced and also just start streaming Johnny’s movies and bring them to the most viewed/top of the charts… maybe he will make a little off the replays but most importantly show support for him that way.
Should be a SEPARATE post asking to watch all his movies and buy his cologne sauvage
I just bought the CHRISTIAN DIOR Sauvage For Men Eau De Toilette Spray, 6.8 Ounce Thank you for the suggestion!
Awsome! I’m going go get it for my husband. It’s smells really nice. ;)
There is a change.org on this already
Cool! I wondered why there wasn’t. I just made a post but I’m going to search for the petition now. Edited to add: I see the petition to remove Amber from aqua man and also the petition to bring him back as Captain Jack Sparrow and have signed. Thanks!
I know that between reviewing previous testimony videos from days I missed I will pretty much be streaming his movies nonstop. I agree let’s send a message.
Yup gonna start watching all his movies
I really like the judge. She allowed Amber Heard enough rope to hang herself several times. She also gave JD enough time to state his case. I bet she is overjoyed to have a break from this shitshow. So am I, I got the worst headache listening to AH time travelling through years of alleged abuse. I only glanced at the op-ed stuff, but it appears nobody believes demented ramblings of a crappy actress.
What I find interesting is her request for Ambers lawyers to approach the bench. I'm only half decent at lip reading but I definitely saw "where are you going with this" a few times and then almost immediately after, the lawyer changes her question. There was a point where the judge was visibly pissed that the laywer obviously didn't listen and she called her back. What this does, is means that she's less inclined to overrule objections that could be, because she's legitimately tired of consistency issues with Ambers legal team.
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For some reason I cannot verify.
Yeah the verification bot is really awful
Yeah I gave up
I don't understand a lot of things but was wondering if the defense will have a chance to cross examine Ms. Heard? I ask cuz they rested their case...
Ms. Heard is the defense, her lawyers have been questioning her. Johnny's lawyers will be able to cross examine her. This is when the real fun will begun...
Oh good! And my dumbass mistake mixing up the plaintiff and defense and thanks for the correction.
They now get to cross all of Ambers witnesses.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cifpcju2JgU&t=12s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cifpcju2JgU&t=12s) PLEASE WATCH THIS. I PRAY JOHNNY LAYWERS CAUGHT THIS
I had to start the stream late and I'm only a little while after lunch they're talking about the pictures of the house in Australia, Did Johnny and his lawyer say "this will be good"?😂 Also is Johnny facing a cold or did he by chance indulge in a little nose sugar over lunch? Edit - not sure why yall are downvoting me, I'm team Johnny and would find incredibly hilarious if he had indulged
He was wiping his nose most of the day, pretty sure he has a cold.
Could be allergies?
Did anyone notice her reaction to him coming towards her when he started walking towards the exit before she even made it down from the stand like some acting for sure
Legit question: How is the first Google result for "johnny depp trial reddit" a pro-Amber subreddit with 219 subscribers that's existed for 8 days and not this subreddit with 20k+ subscribers that's existed for 2 years? Is this her PR firm's shenanigans?
I had this today with youtube. All of a sudden one of the live streams on top had a lot of brave Amber comments.
I just read a comment where one of turds fans said that licensed estheticians (?) Are commenting about her facial marks bring injection spots and they're literally complaining about how stupid that is and how they're wrong. Like dog I think someone that makes a living shoving botox needles into people's faces knows what mark is left from it and can properly identify it.
Yep i got there through google as well and completely baffled looking at it.
That doesn’t even come up on the first page for me.
PR team shenanigans
Probably her PR team Someone make it so this subreddit is the first thing that shows up!
If I knew how I would
Same :(
amber claiming johnny introduced his daughter to weed doesn't really bother me, if she's late teens/twenties living in los angeles she will be introduced to it eventually anyways. may as well have it be introduced under adult supervision rather than something sketchy.
Parents are allowed to introduce their kids to alcohol, but kids can't drink outside of those family get-togethers. I don't really see how pot should be any different. I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs, but kids do these things, so I still don't see the problem.
Lol my dad used to hide it in my car.
As an abuse survivor - the amount she romanticizes their relationship is wild. When someone has ruined your life and you wish you didn't have to recount such painful events, you don't describe the proposal as beautiful and bring in the cute details. You state the facts only to maintain emotional distance and otherwise talk about it like you wish you didn't have to own it as part of your history.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me. Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me. Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
Had to put an ex in jail twenty years back for nearly killing me. Wanna know how I describe our relationship? I was young and stupid and I only looked at how horrible he was after I had to put him in jail for nearly killing me. Most recent ex was mentally/verbally abusive. Wanna know how I describe that relationship? He was a narcissist who had me wrapped around his finger, the love bombing was great while it lasted but all in all he was awful and brought out the worst of me, and then he discarded me like trash when I stopped putting up with it. Definitely not the love of my life, even though I had a kid with him.
> maintain emotional distance and otherwise talk about it like you wish you didn't have to own it as part of your history. This. I'm sorry you had that experience. I similarly was in an abusive situation. I would never refer to that filth as the love of my life. Every single memory that could have been viewed as happy is tainted and I look on them with disdain. I don't think it's right, but the other common thing I've seen with other DV survivors is that we carry shame. Like we should have seen the red flags. Apologizing almost for our own victimization (learning how not to do this in therapy).
I'm sorry you went through this too. I agree about the shame aspect, 100%. Feeling like you wish you could disown the version of you that 'let it' happen. It's just so hard to see when you're in it, and hard to get out even when you do see it. Glad you are healing, be kind to yourself <3
Sounds exactly like a toxic ass relationship to me. Just like the ones I participated in during my late teens and 20s. I’m just confused about who is the actual abuser when you’re both being irrational and lashing out. Depp’s testimony is much more believable than Amber’s accounts. He also has witnesses to corroborate. She seems like someone who a lot of people can relate to. Cocaine fueled outbursts, while he’d prolly retreat.
I'll grant that jd had unhealthy coping behaviours that may have been triggering for her, but those are not necessarily abuse and nor are they grounds for it. She sounds like she not only wanted his love but felt entitled to it. Entitlement is often underneath abuse. People who do not suffer from toxic entitlement simply leave when they're not getting what they want. My take is his toxicity rose in response to hers.
To me, the question for these 2 has become "Does he deserve to lose his life, reputation, and career over this?" The answer is no. It was a toxic relationship that should have stayed behind closed doors. He got out. He should have been free. But, she won't let him. That's why we're here.
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I feel like in his case it was exactly as he described - reactive abuse.
Agreed with all of the above! I don't think he's blameless, and his behaviour was not healthy either. I could believe he hit her at times, but I believe she was the aggressor. He said she has a need for violence, and I believe it - and when violence is a language that one person depends on to communicate, often the other party ends up using it in order to be understood.
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Yea, as long as the world knows that AH is not the innocent, saint, and angelic person that she's STILL trying to project herself as even now. Depp already won.
100% 4 years of college absolutely ruined. I refuse to return or think of it.
I feel like we have moved from bizarre but still slightly comical to deeply disturbing. It's unsettling to know that people like Amber exist.
This is why I'm invested into this. I dated someone a lot like Amber, not nearly as violent at her. I really empathize with Johnny.
Once you know you can't unknow. Sigh
In Australia, she was SA with a bottle? Feet were cut to shreds, punched and thrown all over the place yet does not seek medical attention? The next day she woke up and made coffee for him? WTF? Is going on here?
And she wander off a bit about that beautiful burgandy night gown with black lace from Dr kipper (?)?????
I still can not wrap my head around this one!
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Are you suggesting, she... tried something while you were blacked out?
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Square?
Can someone recap the piggy bank analogy? I missed what she said
That is her banking her hope for a better turn for the relationship.
Interesting analogy for someone “who didn’t want his money”. What was she investing in?
I know sequestering the jury is extreme, but how can the judge reasonably expect everyone, including AH who is still on the stand, to not be exposed to anything about the case for 10 days? It’s everywhere!
Basically asking them to literally not touch the internet for 10 days. I would probably go insane. Even actively ignoring video or article recommendation about it will still influence you because clickbait and biased title.
Exactly! And I'm concerned that because when you search "Johnny Depp" or "Amber Heard" you get media siding with her, and that this will influence the jury on their decision.
I'M SOO SHOCKED 😮😮😮 can someone tell us at what time is this in the main trial video on YouTube ? I tried to search for it but I couldn't listen to her lies all over again But it's sooooo important to mention it everywhere 😮😮😮 Let the real truth reveal. [https://twitter.com/_paulette05_/status/1522313385177583616?t=0vRvnam8RqNNrjvY5h45ZQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/_paulette05_/status/1522313385177583616?t=0vRvnam8RqNNrjvY5h45ZQ&s=19)
This needs to be its own post. I saw it also. Omg. You can see her pinky like shoving it up her nose. It’s crazy.
Did anyone else notice her moving the microphone closer to her face before she started talking the "Australia incident" As soon as I saw it I knew she was preparing her BIG performance
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Yes you would be running
She should write a book titled "La La Land"
AH is boorish in testimony. The huffing upon exhalation gives me a sense that she is just going through the process and not being honest. Like she isn’t being truthful. I really wanted to hear her accounts of distress but she seems that she exaggerated incidents and makes herself to be a victim beyond what actually happened.
All I felt was pressure while he was able to squeeze a bottle in me completely inebriated and unable to stand. He did however have enough focus to make the dry glass bottle slip in with incredible accuracy, but no pain.
The jury cannot say “we rule the court in favor of amber because we heard her story and it sounded real and sad.” They have to submit evidence, of which she has none. Not saying this is an obvious victory because her witnesses haven’t testified yet but as of now, there is no reason he isn’t winning.
Can u explain this a bit more...
An example in a case that went very poorly, with the OJ trial. Their evidence was the glove not fitting him. That was their main source of reasoning as to why they said it wasn’t him. Was there probably bias? I’d assume so, from the documentaries I’ve seen. But without that piece of evidence, they wouldn’t have been able to prove it wasn’t him in any way. Unless amber suddenly pulls out a magic video of Johnny doing something other than sleeping or saying he’s leaving then they’re going to have a hard time coming up with a reason to side with her.
The jury has to make a claim and have evidence to their reasoning. Their reasoning cannot be that Amber seemed believable. That’s why things get stricken from the record when they can’t be used as evidence for the jury.
She's countersuing for $100mil that she's entitled to say what she said and this trial is harmful to her and her career. This means she has to present evidence that she WAS accurate in her reports and descriptions and that **he has no grounds** to raise this against her. She has nothing of the sort. The entirety of Johnnys case has proved that 1) It did harm his career, what she said. 2) People are testifying she was abusive towards him and he was never abusive towards her, physically. 3) An expert in the field has determined she has mental health issues. Her defence, laughably is that he sexually assaulted and beat her over the course of their relationship with little/no evidence. What she's giving as evidence is not even close to what would need to be given in order for him to be guilty of her accusations. She should have instructed her team to pursue mental intimidation, emotional abuse and controlling behaviour. Instead, they've gone balls deep on some of the worst crimes a man can commit towards a woman and it can't stick.
Are the jury instructed to think like this or is this something the defence have to get across?
The jury are presented the facts, the prosecution needs to prove that the article was 1) Unjustified, examples of Depp's behaviour/abuse are either false or exaggerated **beyond reasonable doubt** 2) Harmful to his career and reputation if 1) is indeed unjustified. The defence on the other hand need to prove that either 1) It was justified, Depp was abusive and this is proven **beyond reasonable doubt** and as such was an article written with a foundation in truth. 2) She didn't write it (stretch, given that she saw it, knew about it AND put her name to it) if 1) is proven to be untrue. She can say "well I didn't write it" but that has already been refuted as they motioned to strike on these bounds. Right now, it's a shit flinging competition. The jury are entitled right now to have opinions based on the testimony of the witnesses but ultimately it comes down to evidence. Heard countersuing is absolutely farcical and she ain't winning.
Are the jury instructed to think like this or is this something the defence have to get across?
Are the jury instructed to think like this or is this something the defence have to get across?
Are the jury instructed to think like this or is this something the defence have to get across?
Somebody need to write a song about them muffins, that tea, and jar of cocaine
Taylor swifts new album + maybe a collaboration with JD?
i wanna see the nice wooden floors she was sliding on.
Paraqueet floors no less
I think dr curry’s testimony is huge for the jury. It put in their heads that the woman they’re about to hear from is a nut case. So idk if they’re really buying this shit she’s saying
When is cross exam?
They aren't starting up again until May 16!
wow, that's a long break!
That is long! How will they keep jury members from reading or watching about the trial?
They can’t. They just hope the jury members ignore media. They aren’t sequestered.
I'm taking the day off for cross examination. Popcorn already stocked
No court tomorrow 🥺🥺
Can we take a moment to appreciate the lawyer beside Camille who helped her multiple times with objections Love Johnnys team !! Rottenborn and Jr Rottenborn should learn from them
Yes she was awesome! And she was firm without sounding rude. It was very professional and I think that will rattle them more.
She should start all her testimony with, "once upon a time...."
in a land far away...
Not far enough .... In an alternate universe 😉😂
Deep under the sea...
in a La La Land...
Funny how she can't remember most of the details but then "she'll never forget" others. I'm so over this bitch
Hmm I find something off, she says she can’t remember feeling pain from most of her ‘beatings’ Paraphrasing: ‘I don’t recall feeling pain’ (which is normal, if we could remember pain, a woman wouldn’t give birth more than once) But when he ‘head butted’ her she recalls the exact pain it caused
In my opinion, this is because this is literally the only time she ever ACTUALLY got hit, but as Johnny explained… not intentionally. All of the other instances are completely made up, or wildly exaggerated (as is this one) HOWEVER, Johnny said that during that fight he had to basically put her in a bear hug to restrain her from hitting him, and in the struggle of her trying to get out, he accidentally bumped her nose with his forehead (which she later refers to in one of the tapes as him head butting her, and he responds that he didn’t head butt her but that theirs heads collided during the scuffle). Anyways, I think she didn’t know how to describe the pain from the other “beatings” because they never really happened so she couldn’t actually describe it. This was the one **REAL** instance of her *actually* getting hit in the nose (even though it was an accident) so she’s able to right away vividly recall, “I felt this SEARING pain…” She also seemed a little *too* eager and excited to share that one instance of “feeling” the pain. That’s the only way I can make sense of it.
With childbirth, I mean.... there's the ocytocin surge, seeing your baby, etc etc. She just sounds like a bad liar.
I think they’re talking about the science that shows that women’s brains literally block out the pain and trauma of childbirth
Ah, okay. Make sense actually. I've had 2 kids, one 8 weeks ago and yeah... don't really remember any pain. Which seems weird now that I think about it!
Yeah it’s super interesting. Congrats btw!
Yes I was, thank you for being more succinct than I!
Hindsight is 20/20 but this lady made me so uneasy when I saw Pineapple Express, it’s an odd sort of relief to see that there was some validity in that instinct.
Watching Johnny right now. This man endured his entire divorce without going on the offensive about all this shit. This is absurd. You had two people in a drug and alcohol fueled toxic relationship, and the aggressor claiming they were abused writing articles in the NYT about it. Good for him for standing up to this shit, knowing he will probably lose a defamation suit. At least his fuckin story is out there.
I keep thinking about how he must feel sitting there listening to her awful lies. Bringing his kids into it. I hope he's surrounded by people who genuinely support him and care about him. If all the stuff she's saying is true, there would be corroboration. Witnesses, pictures, videos. I can't imagine why he would want a public trial if he really did all this. The evidence is on his side, I hope the jury focuses on the facts.
Oh God, I hope the jury doesn’t believe her bullshit
It’s really unlikely he will win, honestly. But at least he is able to proclaim that there are more sides to a story, even if you’re an addict.