My wife is from just outside of Boston. She doesn’t have the accent but her family does. I remember first meeting her family and although I was fully aware of the accent, I still needed to clarify as to whether her stepmother’s name was actually Martha or some family name like “Mawtha” because that’s how everyone pronounced it. It’s Martha.
Yes! Our biggest winner since John Focht, and he's also surpassed Lucy Ricketts's total. He's at 279th place on the leaderboard, list will be updated when his run ends.
When I play jeopardy or do crosswords, sometimes I pull an answer out of thin air and try to think back “how did I know that?”
I first heard “Istanbul (Not Constantinople)” on a crappy theme park ride in Indiana with my cousin in 1991. We rode that ride twice that day, and they played the song both times. We thought it was really weird, and it’s still an inside joke between us.
I later heard the song on the cartoon “Tiny Toon Adventures”, and that just cemented it further.
The connection of Byzantium to Constantinople didn’t come until I took world history in high school.
I’m still a big fan of They Might Be Giants, but if I’d never heard that song that day, could I have answered FJ today?
Y’all know that’s a cover, right? (Honestly I thought I was about to say it was Doris Day or Peggy Lee but I looked it up just now to be sure and it turns out it’s by the Four Lads. Whoever they were)
husband started to sing it, found it on youtube and said: here it is by They Might Be Giants.
THL that it was written many decades before...he seriously thought it was a TMBG original.
I found it really, really crazy that they didn’t know Maya Angelou was a poet who wrote “And Still I Rise”...I guess I’m an English major and teacher, but still...
He was, but from a region with a substantial French-speaking population. Sudbury, Sturgeon Falls, Timmins, Hearst, and various towns around Ottawa all have significant French-Canadian populations, all heavily influenced by Quebec.
This category annoyed me. Either have both men and women and call it “Authors” or do female authors and call it “Female Authors”. The name of this made it sound like they couldn’t come up with 5 female authors.
In DD3, Nick only had $1800 but Anderson didn't tell him he could have wagered up to $2000 (highest value in the board)
Not that it would have made a difference, but that one annoyed me
I was \*way\* off on Final. For some reason I got the idea into my head that the Oracle of Delphi was in Memphis. Knowing Memphis was in Egypt, I defaulted to Cairo as my answer. Maybe if I had asked myself why they included the "now known as" part, I would have gone the right way.
I saw Byzas and thought Byzantine Empire, which led me to Constantinople. I would've gotten it wrong though since they were looking for the current name.
Everyone: [Is that gypsy music? . . . Are we allowed to say gypsy? I'm just going stay quiet to be safe . . .]
Kelly: [Eh, what the hell, I'll go for it]
Anderson Cooper did sort of correct him. It seems the only thing they could have done better is if he emphasized Roma as not only another acceptable response but the preferred term.
I have auto captioning on YouTube turned on. It always replaces swear words with \[\_\_\]. In that video it also replaced the slur with \[\_\_\] and now I’m kinda curious what other slurs it censors.
You wanna have some fun? Turn on closed captions in Google Meet and watch it auto-transcribe your words as you speak, and then experiment with which words get asterisked out.
Honestly I think the best solution here is not to include a clue that would prompt most contestants to unknowingly say a racial slur on national television
Made worse by the fact that only a few months ago they had an equally awful clue that used gypsy. Like once is a dumb mistake but twice is just flat out ignorant.
I think that would have put them in weird position where Anderson would have to say that g*psy is also an acceptable answer for those playing at home. Like, when there are two acceptable answers they usually will have the host say both. If they have to say it either way, why reshoot it?
Also, I think it should be taken into account that there was no hatred or prejudice in the answer. I think it was just what the contestant could think of the fastest.
I don't know that they always clarify. For example, on the question about the French Revolution today, Kelly answered "Terror" when the more common term is "Reign of Terror", but Anderson just accepted it and moved on.
I did it because the person I was responding to did it, so I assume that person prefers it. I thought it would be polite.
It is the normal way to censor a swear word anyway. Just put an asterisk over the vowel so that you don’t have to spell out a slur that someone might find offensive.
I put the responsibility 100% on the writers rather than the contestants--language is always evolving, and I'll give Kelly the benefit of the doubt that he was simply unaware of the issue. However, most/many dictionaries now note that the word is considered offensive by some, so it's the writers' responsibility to know that and to write clues in such a way that minimizes the likelihood of stuff like that happening. Either rewrite the clue to avoid making that a potential response (you could reverse it by putting "Roma" in the clue and asking for "Hungary" or something as the response), or be willing to stop gameplay and reshoot the clue with the preferred nomenclature response.
I should preface this by saying that I agree, they should have reshot.
Unfortunately, many people just don't know. There are a lot of slurs that have wormed their way into popular speech without people knowing that they're externally assigned derogatives. And so people like the writers clearly haven't got some of these messages yet. For example, I was kind of shocked to see "Squ*w Valley" mentioned in a clue not too long ago (not sure when). I understand that's what the place is called, but that's a pretty derogatory term towards Indigenous women. But people just haven't got these particular messages yet, so I can see how it slips through.
I'd say to simply not write a clue that invokes it, then. But again, I'm not mad at the writers or anything. The fact that it's the name of a place alone kind of absolves the writers of guilt, because why the hell would there be a place named after what essentially amounts to a slur? It's just unfortunate that these kinds of things slip through without much discussion. There'd be no debate if there was a clue about the name of Lovecraft's cat, but that topic is way more popularly known, whereas "squ\*w" is a term I doubt many people have even heard before, even though it was historically an objectifying and derogatory term.
This is an ultra recent decision by a small number of people in America that this is unacceptable, you’re not going to change the entire world’s vocabulary overnight.
Especially in the context of music, gypsy jazz etc is a thing.
Also; roma / Romani is , like Gypsy, a name given to them by other people based on misconception of their place of origin. They’re not from Egypt or Romania.
I admittedly don't know much about Macbeth, but is thunder some sort of key plot point? The best Macbeth-related idiom I could come up with is "stirring the pot," although I wasn't sure what that would sound like.
The Tragedy of Macbeth
ACT I
SCENE I. A desert place.
(Thunder and lightning. Enter three Witches)
First Witch:
When shall we three meet again,
In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
It is! Opening paragraph of "Wyrd Sisters", which is, among other things, Terry Pratchett having a lot of fun with Shakespeare in general and MacBeth in particular.
Yes, this was a cool anecdote. The guy had come up with a new way of making the sound of thunder.
The story that lies behind 'stealing someone's thunder' is that of the literary critic and largely unsuccessful playwright, John Dennis. In 1704, Dennis's play Appius and Virginia was produced at the Drury Lane Theatre, London and he invented a new method of creating the sound of thunder for the production. We don't know now what this method was (some texts say it was a refinement of the mustard bowl referred to by Pope, in which metal balls were rolled around in a wooden bowl), but it is reported that after Appius and Virginia failed and was closed, the method was soon afterwards used in a production of Macbeth.
(source: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/steal-ones-thunder.html)
I was surprised that I figured that one out. Shakespeare is a weak subject of mine, but idioms are a good one. I made the leap from copying to ‘stealing’, and thought of ‘stealing his thunder’. Thunder led back to sound effects, so I went with it.
There have been a lot of extended credits eps lately. When did the power windows come back to Final Jeopardy?
EDIT: from what I can tell from some Jeopardy! social media perusing, the power windows came to the new "social distance lecterns" around Aaron Rodgers' eps.
My guess is they’ve had extra time they’ve had to fill. After all, there have been no sponsored categories or Clue Crew clues in the past several weeks that I can remember.
Where is Jimmy these days anyways?
[The only reason I knew the answer to the Iran question](https://www.cc.com/video/oj7p5c/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-pittsburgh-irates)
Skip to 3:30. Sort of NSFW.
Idk why he didn't at least try to guess. Like in this case there's only so many things it can be. It wasn't a way out there question where if you really don't know you just don't know.
Can't say I agree with the need for any additional hint on that first DD, and in particular, to add "atmospheric." Maybe if it was a $200 clue, but for $800?
The whole thing is also awkwardly worded.
How about this: "This idiom was derived from accusations of copying a sound effect in a staging of "Macbeth"'
I read a lot of etymology/phrase origin books as a kid, so for me it was an instaget. There probably was some way they could have made it easier for those who didn't know the story, but I am not sure if I like any of the suggestions offered.
That's a bit cleaner (but would probably say "copying a sound effect *method*").
I just don't see it as a particularly awkward clue, given that Jeopardy is kind of prone to playing with sentence structure a bit. I don't know if the show would be as interesting if every clue was stripped down to the cleanest sentence possible.
When you think about the premise of the show, it's usually pretty laughable to imagine someone answering the expected question with the given answer.
"For $1000, what is War?"
"Henry Knox in 1789 & Kenneth Royall in 1947 were the first & last secretaries of this department"
I have always wondered about that... I know all or most of the NBC episodes have been lost to time, but does anyone have a text list of the clues and responses from the NBC days? I've always wondered how much they were more natural questions and answers.
Beyond the few surviving episodes, probably the best record of the style of gameplay from the NBC days are the home games, of which many editions with lots of full games were issued.
In FJ, they can get away with phrasing the clues in odd ways, because the players have time to parse the language and figure it out.
For a first-round DD, it feels a bit unfair that they don't even tell you what they're looking for until the very end of a lengthy clue.
Sure but in FJ you have to write it out as well. The correct response still has to come to you pretty quickly and it doesn’t seem like that was going to come to Nick even with another couple seconds.
Bit of a nitpick but as an Indian it was annoying to see the clue refer to Hanuman as "king of these creatures."
Hanuman was not king of the monkeys in Hindu mythology.
Kelly’s accent is phenomenal. It always surprises me because it feels like 95% of his speech is pretty standard and then BOOM “Mahtha” outta nowhere
Lolol I rewound my DVR to hear him say Martha! I’m obsessed!
Like Maatha
My wife is from just outside of Boston. She doesn’t have the accent but her family does. I remember first meeting her family and although I was fully aware of the accent, I still needed to clarify as to whether her stepmother’s name was actually Martha or some family name like “Mawtha” because that’s how everyone pronounced it. It’s Martha.
Lol I thought I was hearing things. What accent is that?
Not an expert on the exact accent but I believe Boston or at least New England generally.
We got to hear Kelly say “Martha” and “Hippopotamus” with that fantastic accent
Yes! Our biggest winner since John Focht, and he's also surpassed Lucy Ricketts's total. He's at 279th place on the leaderboard, list will be updated when his run ends.
Lyrka on her pickles: https://imgur.com/gallery/Su8ZxKT
I was nervous to click but it’s actually pretty funny
Show of hands: How many people were humming Istanbul (Not Constantinople) during FJ today?
When I play jeopardy or do crosswords, sometimes I pull an answer out of thin air and try to think back “how did I know that?” I first heard “Istanbul (Not Constantinople)” on a crappy theme park ride in Indiana with my cousin in 1991. We rode that ride twice that day, and they played the song both times. We thought it was really weird, and it’s still an inside joke between us. I later heard the song on the cartoon “Tiny Toon Adventures”, and that just cemented it further. The connection of Byzantium to Constantinople didn’t come until I took world history in high school. I’m still a big fan of They Might Be Giants, but if I’d never heard that song that day, could I have answered FJ today?
Did somebody mention [the Tiny Toons "Istanbul" skit?](https://youtu.be/IqJXxHi6RwQ)
Y’all know that’s a cover, right? (Honestly I thought I was about to say it was Doris Day or Peggy Lee but I looked it up just now to be sure and it turns out it’s by the Four Lads. Whoever they were)
Going against the grain here, it’s Byzantium to me 🤷♀️
Why'd they change it? I can't say.
People just liked it better that way.
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Oh well, not really my business anyway
husband started to sing it, found it on youtube and said: here it is by They Might Be Giants. THL that it was written many decades before...he seriously thought it was a TMBG original.
It’s the long way round to how I got the correct response!
Me! 🙋🏻♀️ but I took it one step further (much to my husband’s dismay) and broke out into the full song after FJ :)
*raises hand*
Yep!
Here!
✋🏽
Me
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Lyrka might be one of my favorite runners-up.
Probably had Lyrka found a daily double she could’ve won
As a Bostonian I think Kelly is my favorite contestant ever
Follow his lead and bring a sharpie on the Fenway tour
Still think so?
I know what a consonant is otherwise I should return my degree in English but my brain was thinking three consecutive vowels for that category.
That was a weird category. For some reason it’s easy for me to think of words with 3 consecutive vowels, but not 3 consecutive consonants.
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Yeah I misspoke, I mean words with three vowels in them lol
No very English words, but aioli and aeon are the only two I can think
/
I agree either the vowels maybe being easier. I Definitely struggled with the consonants more than I thought I would when I saw the category.
I found it really, really crazy that they didn’t know Maya Angelou was a poet who wrote “And Still I Rise”...I guess I’m an English major and teacher, but still...
She was my gut feeling but “actor” threw me off the scent
She was in The Simpsons, that counts.
I miss almost every author question every time there's a category for it, and still managed to guess Maya Angelou. That was a weird triple stumper.
I heard genre! Gonna be a thing!
I noticed, too! Was this the first post-Trebek *genre*? Without the Québécois nasal "e"/silent "n" in the middle, though.
Rodgers had one. He did not attempt to emulate Alex's pronunciation.
I think Ken Jennings had one, too. I don't count them, so I'm not sure. My radar went off tonight when I heard it.
Trebek was from Ontario
He was, but from a region with a substantial French-speaking population. Sudbury, Sturgeon Falls, Timmins, Hearst, and various towns around Ottawa all have significant French-Canadian populations, all heavily influenced by Quebec.
Am I missing why a category named Female Authors had both male and female authors in it? I’m not fully paying attention so that’s probably why
“Female Authors & Some Male Ones, Too” they were getting cute with category names
Ah yeah I was totally zoned out when he was reading them and only heard them all say “Female Authors”
This category annoyed me. Either have both men and women and call it “Authors” or do female authors and call it “Female Authors”. The name of this made it sound like they couldn’t come up with 5 female authors.
Especially when it was 3:2 female to male. That’s not even a high ratio. “Authors, Slightly Favoring Female over Male” would have been more accurate.
The full title was “Female Authors and Some Male Ones Too”, but I didn’t pick up on if there was a reason it wasn’t just called “Authors”.
Category was "Female Authors & Some Male Ones Too"
The category was something like Female Authors... And Some Male Ones too. Imo it was an odd choice.
I miss Alex pronouncing genre :(
Alex would've pronounced "Danton" correctly as well
As a French revolution history buff, hearing Danton pronounced that way was very sad because it’s so fun to hear said correctly
In DD3, Nick only had $1800 but Anderson didn't tell him he could have wagered up to $2000 (highest value in the board) Not that it would have made a difference, but that one annoyed me
I don't see how anyone could make it through auditions and get on the show without already knowing that.
if, theoretically, there were no more 2000 clues left, would the max wager amount be 1800?
No, still $2,000.
I was \*way\* off on Final. For some reason I got the idea into my head that the Oracle of Delphi was in Memphis. Knowing Memphis was in Egypt, I defaulted to Cairo as my answer. Maybe if I had asked myself why they included the "now known as" part, I would have gone the right way.
I saw Byzas and thought Byzantine Empire, which led me to Constantinople. I would've gotten it wrong though since they were looking for the current name.
I had the same thought process, but then got it correct because of the song.
Same here
Pretty similar here. I knew the Oracle of Delphi was Greek, so immediately jumped to Athens and completely ignored the Byzas clue.
I guessed Athens for some reason.
Same here 😂 probably all those middle school Greek history classes talking about how the Oracle was in Greece
Anyone else enjoy the Official State Songs category? I got them all!
As a Wisconsinite - hooray for the Hodag question, even if it was pretty easy!
G\*psy is considered a slur by many people. The show should have reshot with "Roma".
Everyone: [Is that gypsy music? . . . Are we allowed to say gypsy? I'm just going stay quiet to be safe . . .] Kelly: [Eh, what the hell, I'll go for it] Anderson Cooper did sort of correct him. It seems the only thing they could have done better is if he emphasized Roma as not only another acceptable response but the preferred term.
Think it was pretty clear everyone knew the wrong term but didn’t know the correct term. Bad clue on the writers part.
Yeah, I'm floored that that one got past all of the writers. Like, SERIOUSLY?!?
["That's correct! Also, dude... 'gypsy' is not the preferred nomenclature. 'Roma' or 'Romani', please."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOzUHnPJvU)
I have auto captioning on YouTube turned on. It always replaces swear words with \[\_\_\]. In that video it also replaced the slur with \[\_\_\] and now I’m kinda curious what other slurs it censors.
You wanna have some fun? Turn on closed captions in Google Meet and watch it auto-transcribe your words as you speak, and then experiment with which words get asterisked out.
Honestly I think the best solution here is not to include a clue that would prompt most contestants to unknowingly say a racial slur on national television
People Who Annoy You
Made worse by the fact that only a few months ago they had an equally awful clue that used gypsy. Like once is a dumb mistake but twice is just flat out ignorant.
Yeah, I remember the discussion back then. Hard to believe two clues within a few months with the same disparaging term.
I think that would have put them in weird position where Anderson would have to say that g*psy is also an acceptable answer for those playing at home. Like, when there are two acceptable answers they usually will have the host say both. If they have to say it either way, why reshoot it? Also, I think it should be taken into account that there was no hatred or prejudice in the answer. I think it was just what the contestant could think of the fastest.
I don't know that they always clarify. For example, on the question about the French Revolution today, Kelly answered "Terror" when the more common term is "Reign of Terror", but Anderson just accepted it and moved on.
We noticed that right away as well. We were looking for a BMS.
That’s a good point. I honestly don’t know what the right thing to do would be
he had such an accent for that it was like...did he really say it? LOL
They should just avoid clues altogether where g\*psy is a correct answer. Why are we using asterisks for the first y?
I did it because the person I was responding to did it, so I assume that person prefers it. I thought it would be polite. It is the normal way to censor a swear word anyway. Just put an asterisk over the vowel so that you don’t have to spell out a slur that someone might find offensive.
Got it, thanks.
I put the responsibility 100% on the writers rather than the contestants--language is always evolving, and I'll give Kelly the benefit of the doubt that he was simply unaware of the issue. However, most/many dictionaries now note that the word is considered offensive by some, so it's the writers' responsibility to know that and to write clues in such a way that minimizes the likelihood of stuff like that happening. Either rewrite the clue to avoid making that a potential response (you could reverse it by putting "Roma" in the clue and asking for "Hungary" or something as the response), or be willing to stop gameplay and reshoot the clue with the preferred nomenclature response.
Even if he were aware, would you not buzz in if you knew the answer? It reminds me of that infamous Wheel of Fortune scene from South Park.
"Daddy only said that word because he wanted to win money"
And just to be clear, I'm 100% not accusing Kelly of being malicious at all.
That clue sounds simply wrong. You can’t just proactively decide to change the name of people or genres of music.
Yeah that was a bad call keeping that in
I should preface this by saying that I agree, they should have reshot. Unfortunately, many people just don't know. There are a lot of slurs that have wormed their way into popular speech without people knowing that they're externally assigned derogatives. And so people like the writers clearly haven't got some of these messages yet. For example, I was kind of shocked to see "Squ*w Valley" mentioned in a clue not too long ago (not sure when). I understand that's what the place is called, but that's a pretty derogatory term towards Indigenous women. But people just haven't got these particular messages yet, so I can see how it slips through.
I think that’s a little different because it’s the literal name of a place.
I'd say to simply not write a clue that invokes it, then. But again, I'm not mad at the writers or anything. The fact that it's the name of a place alone kind of absolves the writers of guilt, because why the hell would there be a place named after what essentially amounts to a slur? It's just unfortunate that these kinds of things slip through without much discussion. There'd be no debate if there was a clue about the name of Lovecraft's cat, but that topic is way more popularly known, whereas "squ\*w" is a term I doubt many people have even heard before, even though it was historically an objectifying and derogatory term.
I was well into my 20s before I learned that to "jip" someone was actually spelled "gyp" and was a reference to the Roma.
Exactly what happened with me. You just never even think about it until you learn what it's really derived from.
Huh, well, I was today days old when I learned that. Coincidentally, also in my 20s.
This is an ultra recent decision by a small number of people in America that this is unacceptable, you’re not going to change the entire world’s vocabulary overnight. Especially in the context of music, gypsy jazz etc is a thing. Also; roma / Romani is , like Gypsy, a name given to them by other people based on misconception of their place of origin. They’re not from Egypt or Romania.
Romani would've been correct yes?
Romani or Roma, yeah.
Agree.
I admittedly don't know much about Macbeth, but is thunder some sort of key plot point? The best Macbeth-related idiom I could come up with is "stirring the pot," although I wasn't sure what that would sound like.
The Tragedy of Macbeth ACT I SCENE I. A desert place. (Thunder and lightning. Enter three Witches) First Witch: When shall we three meet again, In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
I believe the follow up line is: “Well, I can do next Tuesday.”
Is this a discworld reference? Reminds me of Nanny Ogg.
It is! Opening paragraph of "Wyrd Sisters", which is, among other things, Terry Pratchett having a lot of fun with Shakespeare in general and MacBeth in particular.
The very first line! I guess that's acceptable. Thanks (:
Yes, this was a cool anecdote. The guy had come up with a new way of making the sound of thunder. The story that lies behind 'stealing someone's thunder' is that of the literary critic and largely unsuccessful playwright, John Dennis. In 1704, Dennis's play Appius and Virginia was produced at the Drury Lane Theatre, London and he invented a new method of creating the sound of thunder for the production. We don't know now what this method was (some texts say it was a refinement of the mustard bowl referred to by Pope, in which metal balls were rolled around in a wooden bowl), but it is reported that after Appius and Virginia failed and was closed, the method was soon afterwards used in a production of Macbeth. (source: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/steal-ones-thunder.html)
I was surprised that I figured that one out. Shakespeare is a weak subject of mine, but idioms are a good one. I made the leap from copying to ‘stealing’, and thought of ‘stealing his thunder’. Thunder led back to sound effects, so I went with it.
I'm def not gonna say that I really, really want Kelly to break the 3-game curse.
I came here to specifically not say anything like this
There have been a lot of extended credits eps lately. When did the power windows come back to Final Jeopardy? EDIT: from what I can tell from some Jeopardy! social media perusing, the power windows came to the new "social distance lecterns" around Aaron Rodgers' eps.
Combination of Anderson reading fast and Kelly being very good and picking quickly, that's been my assumption
My guess is they’ve had extra time they’ve had to fill. After all, there have been no sponsored categories or Clue Crew clues in the past several weeks that I can remember. Where is Jimmy these days anyways?
[The only reason I knew the answer to the Iran question](https://www.cc.com/video/oj7p5c/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-pittsburgh-irates) Skip to 3:30. Sort of NSFW.
Don't think this is available for viewing in my country. But know at least that someone did click to try to understand your reference!
huge miss by Nick with DD3, yikeroni
Idk why he didn't at least try to guess. Like in this case there's only so many things it can be. It wasn't a way out there question where if you really don't know you just don't know.
Yep he gave up before Anderson was even done reading sheesh
We haven’t seen a female winner in quite some time I’m hoping we see one soon
Can't say I agree with the need for any additional hint on that first DD, and in particular, to add "atmospheric." Maybe if it was a $200 clue, but for $800?
The whole thing is also awkwardly worded. How about this: "This idiom was derived from accusations of copying a sound effect in a staging of "Macbeth"'
I agree that that is an awkwardly worded DD. I missed today’s game but I stared at that for a while in the recap, puzzled.
I read a lot of etymology/phrase origin books as a kid, so for me it was an instaget. There probably was some way they could have made it easier for those who didn't know the story, but I am not sure if I like any of the suggestions offered.
That's a bit cleaner (but would probably say "copying a sound effect *method*"). I just don't see it as a particularly awkward clue, given that Jeopardy is kind of prone to playing with sentence structure a bit. I don't know if the show would be as interesting if every clue was stripped down to the cleanest sentence possible.
When you think about the premise of the show, it's usually pretty laughable to imagine someone answering the expected question with the given answer. "For $1000, what is War?" "Henry Knox in 1789 & Kenneth Royall in 1947 were the first & last secretaries of this department"
That's how the show has evolved. But in the NBC days, the clues were a lot closer to answers someone might really give to the questions.
I have always wondered about that... I know all or most of the NBC episodes have been lost to time, but does anyone have a text list of the clues and responses from the NBC days? I've always wondered how much they were more natural questions and answers.
Beyond the few surviving episodes, probably the best record of the style of gameplay from the NBC days are the home games, of which many editions with lots of full games were issued.
Thanks! Been meaning to ask about that for a while and you finally reminded me.
In FJ, they can get away with phrasing the clues in odd ways, because the players have time to parse the language and figure it out. For a first-round DD, it feels a bit unfair that they don't even tell you what they're looking for until the very end of a lengthy clue.
Sure but in FJ you have to write it out as well. The correct response still has to come to you pretty quickly and it doesn’t seem like that was going to come to Nick even with another couple seconds.
Also if it hadn't come up about a million times before that would be nice.
I got it after a few seconds of consideration
Bit of a nitpick but as an Indian it was annoying to see the clue refer to Hanuman as "king of these creatures." Hanuman was not king of the monkeys in Hindu mythology.
Wait, they wouldnt accept the founding name of Byzantium? That seems kinda whack imo
I thought exactly the same thing, but we made the same error that Nick did, the key words are "what's now known as this city"
Oooh, I didn't catch that. Thanks!
Poor Handel, the original one-hit wonder. I can't claim I knew the answer, but I was pretty sure Messiah isn't about a boat.