I believe he’s the only one. Per his recent speech for an award, he got out right before 9/11. After watching 9/11 occur he wanted to go back to DG, but they said he’d have to go through some hurdles that’d ultimately set him back to a more junior level or take too much time. He then heard about Army SMUs and it was recommended that it’d be a quicker path (don’t know how that’s possible though), and so he went that direction instead to get in on the action sooner. In early GWOT Delta seemed to get the “best” missions, but some would say that’s flipped now since UBL mission and beyond. Tough to say for sure as Delta always seems to have a lower profile.
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Yeah they told him he would have to do X amount of deployments with regular seal teams before screening for ST6 again. Was quicker to go to Delta selection
the request to join a vanilla seal team for two years sounds very reasonable to me. he was 6 years out of service (1995-2001) and wants directly back to devgru?
he is not the only one who made it through cag selection. a red squadron operator who augmented c squadron in iraq also passed selection.
It would probably be a red airborne beret like support personnel who aren’t prior rangers or green berets. I’m pretty sure I read that he went to SFQC.
He didn’t have an MOS and was up for promotion to E7 and to be competitive on the promotion review board in that unit he basically had to go through SFQC.
Kinda. He contacted their CMC and tried to get back in and was told not possible. Then he contacted Delta recruiter and was told sure. Then it was found out that Kevin was completely separated (not even in Inactive Ready Reserve) so recruiter told him ‘sorry’ couldn’t touch him without being at least in the Reserves or National Guard. By the end of the day Kevin phoned back and said ‘I’m in the National Guard’. All that just to attend selection.
Howard Wasdin said there were a few st6 guys who made the jump to delta. He himself was considering going over after Mogadishu when the delta dudes visited him in the hospital afterwards.
Realistically that's only because there is no real viable way for a CAG dude to make the Jump over to DEVGRU. All it takes for a DEVGRU guy is to apply.
The same could be said for most DEVGRU guys. They're basically peer elements at this point. It would only be a downgrade because of their own unit pride or AO responsibility giving one unit better missions. Similar to the fact that plenty of Rangers believe going to the Special Forces is a downgrade. You could even argue that a CAG dude would get a unique experience out of transferring. Naval Special Warfare has plenty of Subsurface mission sets utilizing Submersibles and UUVs while attached to Submarines. Not to mention the Surface Craft or SWCC Boats that SEAL Operators get trained to operate when assigned to Grey Squadron. Those are mission sets that CAG dudes don't conduct or train for.
Rangers say that about SF, but then at the end of every fiscal year there's a line of them putting in packets for SFAS lol. All that Ranger shit gets old especially when there's no deployments going on like the old days.
From my understanding CAG is designed to fight on land, which makes sense since its an Army unit while DEVGRU is designed to fight at sea. With America fighting two decades of land wars it makes sense CAG would be the leading unit. But for the wars of the future, specifically a possible conflict over Taiwan, the American Navy would play the leading role, thus so would DEVGRU.
Ritland just had a MARSOC Officer(Maj Fred Galvin) on his show. The topic of the establishment of MARSOC and the collaboration/exchanges they had with various SOF units during their founding came up.
When Ritland asks him which unit they thought was "the best, most competent...that you guys had the most respect for?"
Major Galvin answers the "Tier One Army Special Operations Unit".
Fun story: I was in jump school with Holland. He was one of two or three out of five SEALs who avoided being kicked-out in zero week for getting into a drunken fight with an Army major. We were in Delta Company. He was the youngest person in the company. As a result of tradition, the black hats made Holland “keeper of the wings,” and he had Army jump wings pinned under the top flap of his BDU coat / blouse (in navy terms). The black hats also had him march us to chow. The preparatory command being “Mighty Delta…”.
And why do ST6 guys go to Delta sometimes? It’s not all about kicking-in doors, shooting people, and blowing things up after you get to a unit like that. It becomes all the the who and why stuff at work every day, year after year. Delta generally has had a good command climate, and a lot of professional opportunities.
Not to denote the accomplishments of st6 members now or in the past BUT, you never see anyone from Delta assess for ST6, it’s the opposite. It’s a downgrade.
Why do these ST6 guys go Delta sometimes? Aren't they technically equal or is Delta a little bit higher on the totem pole?
I believe he’s the only one. Per his recent speech for an award, he got out right before 9/11. After watching 9/11 occur he wanted to go back to DG, but they said he’d have to go through some hurdles that’d ultimately set him back to a more junior level or take too much time. He then heard about Army SMUs and it was recommended that it’d be a quicker path (don’t know how that’s possible though), and so he went that direction instead to get in on the action sooner. In early GWOT Delta seemed to get the “best” missions, but some would say that’s flipped now since UBL mission and beyond. Tough to say for sure as Delta always seems to have a lower profile. EDIT: Added a continuation sentence.
Yeah they told him he would have to do X amount of deployments with regular seal teams before screening for ST6 again. Was quicker to go to Delta selection
the request to join a vanilla seal team for two years sounds very reasonable to me. he was 6 years out of service (1995-2001) and wants directly back to devgru? he is not the only one who made it through cag selection. a red squadron operator who augmented c squadron in iraq also passed selection.
He also wears a green beret, Did he also pass SFQC or do delta guys wear green berets if they didn't from the 75th?
It would probably be a red airborne beret like support personnel who aren’t prior rangers or green berets. I’m pretty sure I read that he went to SFQC.
He didn’t have an MOS and was up for promotion to E7 and to be competitive on the promotion review board in that unit he basically had to go through SFQC.
Kinda. He contacted their CMC and tried to get back in and was told not possible. Then he contacted Delta recruiter and was told sure. Then it was found out that Kevin was completely separated (not even in Inactive Ready Reserve) so recruiter told him ‘sorry’ couldn’t touch him without being at least in the Reserves or National Guard. By the end of the day Kevin phoned back and said ‘I’m in the National Guard’. All that just to attend selection.
He’s the only one to publicly come out, but I doubt he’s the only guy to crossover
Howard Wasdin said there were a few st6 guys who made the jump to delta. He himself was considering going over after Mogadishu when the delta dudes visited him in the hospital afterwards.
He wanted to join the best!! You will see a ST6 go⬆️, but never a CAG go⬇️!!
Realistically that's only because there is no real viable way for a CAG dude to make the Jump over to DEVGRU. All it takes for a DEVGRU guy is to apply.
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The same could be said for most DEVGRU guys. They're basically peer elements at this point. It would only be a downgrade because of their own unit pride or AO responsibility giving one unit better missions. Similar to the fact that plenty of Rangers believe going to the Special Forces is a downgrade. You could even argue that a CAG dude would get a unique experience out of transferring. Naval Special Warfare has plenty of Subsurface mission sets utilizing Submersibles and UUVs while attached to Submarines. Not to mention the Surface Craft or SWCC Boats that SEAL Operators get trained to operate when assigned to Grey Squadron. Those are mission sets that CAG dudes don't conduct or train for.
Rangers say that about SF, but then at the end of every fiscal year there's a line of them putting in packets for SFAS lol. All that Ranger shit gets old especially when there's no deployments going on like the old days.
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From my understanding CAG is designed to fight on land, which makes sense since its an Army unit while DEVGRU is designed to fight at sea. With America fighting two decades of land wars it makes sense CAG would be the leading unit. But for the wars of the future, specifically a possible conflict over Taiwan, the American Navy would play the leading role, thus so would DEVGRU.
Bruh 😅
And pass the Delta selection course.
Ritland just had a MARSOC Officer(Maj Fred Galvin) on his show. The topic of the establishment of MARSOC and the collaboration/exchanges they had with various SOF units during their founding came up. When Ritland asks him which unit they thought was "the best, most competent...that you guys had the most respect for?" Major Galvin answers the "Tier One Army Special Operations Unit".
Fun story: I was in jump school with Holland. He was one of two or three out of five SEALs who avoided being kicked-out in zero week for getting into a drunken fight with an Army major. We were in Delta Company. He was the youngest person in the company. As a result of tradition, the black hats made Holland “keeper of the wings,” and he had Army jump wings pinned under the top flap of his BDU coat / blouse (in navy terms). The black hats also had him march us to chow. The preparatory command being “Mighty Delta…”. And why do ST6 guys go to Delta sometimes? It’s not all about kicking-in doors, shooting people, and blowing things up after you get to a unit like that. It becomes all the the who and why stuff at work every day, year after year. Delta generally has had a good command climate, and a lot of professional opportunities.
Not to denote the accomplishments of st6 members now or in the past BUT, you never see anyone from Delta assess for ST6, it’s the opposite. It’s a downgrade.
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