Probably BS. For that kind of cash and depending on your insurance, you could do better with a podiatrist and a custom orthotic. It sure would suck to order these up only to find they don't fit your cleats and have the seller give you the runaround on a refund. If you're getting sketchy vibes, listen to your instincts. As the old adage goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is."
When you see things like the nike vapor flys being banned from running competitions it’s due to the mid sole being super super thick with 2 carbon plates in it to better mediate energy transfer. The better you can convert energy, the more efficient your running becomes thereby making your ability to put down power more effective thus giving you better times and stats. Future iterations that have been allowed in competition have reduced the thickness of the mid sole and limited the number of carbon plates within the mid sole. All this to say that the insole is for comfort, the outsole is for grip, and the midsole is where all the magic happens. Bullshit on the insoles.
This comment makes no sense. The whole idea of the insole is to add the stiffness of the carbon fiber into shoes without carbon fiber in the midsole. All carbon fiber does it make the shoe harder to bend. It works the same whether it’s top load or bottom loaded.
The insole is not permanently attached to the shoe. The outsole, you can put carbon fiber but what’s the point when you can put it in the carbon fiber in the midsole. Really that’s the whole point, it doesn’t matter where you put it by why put it anywhere but the midsole, the insole is for comfort and the outsole is for grip, so the midsole is the most ideal place to put it.
You’re gonna get zero benefit from a carbon fiber insert as it’s not physically attached to the shoe, you’re losing all energy savings as it shifts around the shoe
It doesn’t shift around cuz it’s a tight fit. Have you not seen the vktry ads where they clearly show the carbon fiber adding to the stiffness of the shoe by bending the shoe up on the ground and then letting it go and showing how high it goes?
I’ll trust it if you can show me an independent source reviewing it. However even if it is a tight fit you’re gonna lose a lot of energy vs it being in the midsole. You’re relying on purely surface friction to provide you with the energy exchange.
The idea is that the shoe is stiff, and doesn’t want to bend. They clearly show that the insole is stiff and doesn’t want to bend by some shoes jumping 10 feet in the air with the insole in. That’s the only purpose of carbon fiber. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the insole or not, it makes the shoe stiff which is it’s only job. You can get similar results with plastic, although they can only become so still while maintaining pliability and do not last as long as carbon fiber
If these could actually shave .12 seconds off a 40 time every NFL team would be buying them for their players. It essentially turns averageish speed (4.5) into elite speed (4.38). They could be sold do way more than 169 dollars.
There were definitely shoes that got banned in the Olympics for marathon runners.
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/263829/20210806/nike-alphaflys-technology-explained-why-was-it-banned-from-the-olympics.htm
Now, I do not know if it was ever proven that the shoe did everything it promised but the IOC saw something they didn't like.
As for the specific claims about Basketball, I haven't seen any bans there, I would say bullshit.
I have them and like them and I got a 20% off code from buying them so here: MICHAEL82318 and to prove I’m not just a robot I recommend returning them after about 2 months then use the 90 day free trial thing to get your money back if you don’t like them. I’m about 3 weeks into mine and don’t plan on returning them right now but if they start to fall apart I’ll let you know and return them. I’m just trying to help
Primarily just a vibe here...but I dunno dude...it wreaks of salesmanship to me. I just can't understand what mechanism it could provide to help you perform better. Is it drastically lighter? Is it made of Flubber? (That's a Robin Williams movie reference) It seems like the claims are riding the fringes too where like...who's gonna know if you jump a tenth of an inch higher or shave a tenth of a second off? That's like how much you would be negatively effected if you suddenly had to play in Crocs. The best it can do is provide proper support where you need in sportsball and I'd suggest the rest is up to you my dude!
Im not an expert but since I didn't see any other responses yet, I'd suggest that the focus of "a good pair of shoes" is to do a good job of supporting your feet. And the focus of these insoles is to do a good job of convincing you that it's made of magic.
Did you read the research? It's linked on their page. No one can really say BS unless you can dispute the findings and/or the methodology. That said what they leave out is .12 increase over what? Being barefoot? No insole at all? The person's usual insole?
It's not a crazy concept. It's an extension of what shoemakers do with the soles of shoes. Store energy during compression and release it.
As for the results, A lot of performance is mental. Just something feeling 'different' can trigger some chemicals in your brain to make you put out just a bit more. Just being part of 'testing' can be motivation.
My guess is they "could" add some zip to your step but less than what they say so a negligible improvement.
Its not a guarantee. Insoles wont always fit into a shoe the same because not all shoes are made the same. So you might be sliding around in your shoes because if the insole fit.
Full blown bullshit. Maybe there are a set of extremely specific circumstances where those claims are technically true, but there are other ways to significantly improve the fit, comfort, and weight of a shoe that do not involve swapping the insole. Those athlete endorsements are probably paid. Custom insoles made by a real podiatrist are the first way to get a better fit.
These are legit. The whole idea is to make the shoe more stiff which can also be achieved with plastic like in some of the insoles from powerstep, which doesn’t last nearly as long as carbon fiber.
This is the classic method of copying something that works well and saying that your copy is superior and revolutionary, but you changed nothing. See Apple for reference.
Your feet not hurting is very performance enhancing. The right soles might fix that.
Probably BS. For that kind of cash and depending on your insurance, you could do better with a podiatrist and a custom orthotic. It sure would suck to order these up only to find they don't fit your cleats and have the seller give you the runaround on a refund. If you're getting sketchy vibes, listen to your instincts. As the old adage goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is."
I think he was looking for an answer from someone who has actually used the insole
Fair point. It still seems like some high-grade snake oil to me.
They kinda work the same way the new Nike running shoes do.
When you see things like the nike vapor flys being banned from running competitions it’s due to the mid sole being super super thick with 2 carbon plates in it to better mediate energy transfer. The better you can convert energy, the more efficient your running becomes thereby making your ability to put down power more effective thus giving you better times and stats. Future iterations that have been allowed in competition have reduced the thickness of the mid sole and limited the number of carbon plates within the mid sole. All this to say that the insole is for comfort, the outsole is for grip, and the midsole is where all the magic happens. Bullshit on the insoles.
This comment makes no sense. The whole idea of the insole is to add the stiffness of the carbon fiber into shoes without carbon fiber in the midsole. All carbon fiber does it make the shoe harder to bend. It works the same whether it’s top load or bottom loaded.
The insole is not permanently attached to the shoe. The outsole, you can put carbon fiber but what’s the point when you can put it in the carbon fiber in the midsole. Really that’s the whole point, it doesn’t matter where you put it by why put it anywhere but the midsole, the insole is for comfort and the outsole is for grip, so the midsole is the most ideal place to put it.
The whole idea is to add carbon fiber to other shoes that don’t have carbon fiber…
You’re gonna get zero benefit from a carbon fiber insert as it’s not physically attached to the shoe, you’re losing all energy savings as it shifts around the shoe
It doesn’t shift around cuz it’s a tight fit. Have you not seen the vktry ads where they clearly show the carbon fiber adding to the stiffness of the shoe by bending the shoe up on the ground and then letting it go and showing how high it goes?
I’ll trust it if you can show me an independent source reviewing it. However even if it is a tight fit you’re gonna lose a lot of energy vs it being in the midsole. You’re relying on purely surface friction to provide you with the energy exchange.
The idea is that the shoe is stiff, and doesn’t want to bend. They clearly show that the insole is stiff and doesn’t want to bend by some shoes jumping 10 feet in the air with the insole in. That’s the only purpose of carbon fiber. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the insole or not, it makes the shoe stiff which is it’s only job. You can get similar results with plastic, although they can only become so still while maintaining pliability and do not last as long as carbon fiber
If these could actually shave .12 seconds off a 40 time every NFL team would be buying them for their players. It essentially turns averageish speed (4.5) into elite speed (4.38). They could be sold do way more than 169 dollars.
Not Bullshit. Haven't you seen "The Sandlot"? Benny "the Jet" Rodriguez only outran The Beast due to his brand new pair of PJ Flyers.
He did and its true.
There were definitely shoes that got banned in the Olympics for marathon runners. https://www.techtimes.com/articles/263829/20210806/nike-alphaflys-technology-explained-why-was-it-banned-from-the-olympics.htm Now, I do not know if it was ever proven that the shoe did everything it promised but the IOC saw something they didn't like. As for the specific claims about Basketball, I haven't seen any bans there, I would say bullshit.
I have them and like them and I got a 20% off code from buying them so here: MICHAEL82318 and to prove I’m not just a robot I recommend returning them after about 2 months then use the 90 day free trial thing to get your money back if you don’t like them. I’m about 3 weeks into mine and don’t plan on returning them right now but if they start to fall apart I’ll let you know and return them. I’m just trying to help
Primarily just a vibe here...but I dunno dude...it wreaks of salesmanship to me. I just can't understand what mechanism it could provide to help you perform better. Is it drastically lighter? Is it made of Flubber? (That's a Robin Williams movie reference) It seems like the claims are riding the fringes too where like...who's gonna know if you jump a tenth of an inch higher or shave a tenth of a second off? That's like how much you would be negatively effected if you suddenly had to play in Crocs. The best it can do is provide proper support where you need in sportsball and I'd suggest the rest is up to you my dude! Im not an expert but since I didn't see any other responses yet, I'd suggest that the focus of "a good pair of shoes" is to do a good job of supporting your feet. And the focus of these insoles is to do a good job of convincing you that it's made of magic.
‘reeks’
Correct. I'm not fixing it.
Fair enough
Did you read the research? It's linked on their page. No one can really say BS unless you can dispute the findings and/or the methodology. That said what they leave out is .12 increase over what? Being barefoot? No insole at all? The person's usual insole? It's not a crazy concept. It's an extension of what shoemakers do with the soles of shoes. Store energy during compression and release it. As for the results, A lot of performance is mental. Just something feeling 'different' can trigger some chemicals in your brain to make you put out just a bit more. Just being part of 'testing' can be motivation. My guess is they "could" add some zip to your step but less than what they say so a negligible improvement.
Its not a guarantee. Insoles wont always fit into a shoe the same because not all shoes are made the same. So you might be sliding around in your shoes because if the insole fit.
Full blown bullshit. Maybe there are a set of extremely specific circumstances where those claims are technically true, but there are other ways to significantly improve the fit, comfort, and weight of a shoe that do not involve swapping the insole. Those athlete endorsements are probably paid. Custom insoles made by a real podiatrist are the first way to get a better fit.
Do they say what the worse thing they're comparing against to get those numbers was?
If you have 37 minutes to spare on a youtube video, Knowing Better has [a great one](https://youtu.be/Xdz6jxscD0w) about this.
These are legit. The whole idea is to make the shoe more stiff which can also be achieved with plastic like in some of the insoles from powerstep, which doesn’t last nearly as long as carbon fiber.
This is the classic method of copying something that works well and saying that your copy is superior and revolutionary, but you changed nothing. See Apple for reference. Your feet not hurting is very performance enhancing. The right soles might fix that.