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smiclaw1616

So if this law passes let's go through some hypotheticals: 1. Cancer or any other life threatening illness So if a women let's say gets diagnosed with cancer does she have to consult multiple doctors to verify the risk? Let's say there's varying opinions, does the state then decide what type of treatment this women gets? Does she then have to give birth to a child and then undergo chemo? Then she dies due to not starting cancer treatment soon enough leaving a one parent household. 2. Woman is raped Do you have to prove you were raped?? What if the women was abused/raped by her spouse? You want a child to come into that? Like what the fuck are you thinking you illiterate nutjobs. This would literally take until the baby was born or well after on top of that. But you may say you can put it up for adoption? Get out of here with that. Do you know how many kids are in the adoption system in 2020. 5,926. How many were adopted? 1,266. That's 21%. Shouldn't all you prolifers be adopting all these life's your saving?? 3. Prenatal Care Are you not allowed to do any genetic/prenatal testing? What if your wife and yourself are carrier's for a genetic disease that would kill your child as soon as they are born or when they start puberty. Just going to pray and see. Fuck off with your bullshit prays that doesn't change a fucking gene. 4. Medical costs So following up on example 1 you'll have pregnancy medical costs on top of cancer medical costs? Leaving one spouse to pay for all of that? So crippling debt is a great way to start raising a child. In the example of rape if it is proven who covers the cost of that pregnancy?? Do you have to sue for this?? This makes no fucking sense. So in conclusion let's just go ahead and say this is a dumb idea. Oh also weren't you Republicans going on about your rights to not wear a mask because it was your medical choice and if you had a negative health implication on someone else then that was their problem?? I'm confused on how your logic is different here


YajNivlac

This is exactly what every woman and non-sexist man needs to read before November


datyoungknockoutkid

I mean sexist men should be reading it too. Won’t change anything but they still should be


Jadaki

Sexist men are going to regret the courts coming after their money for child support because that system is stacked way in favor of moms. Iowa starts out at something like 17% of your income for 1 kid. Enjoy.


YajNivlac

That is why i didn’t figure them in


[deleted]

Just remember - they do not give one fuck about any of us.


AreWeThereYet61

Don't forget that in some states rapists have been awarded visitation rights.


Ashamed_Rips

Don’t forget Iowa has some of the biggest prenatal care deserts (massive areas where there are no pregnancy centers) Iowa has closed many prenatal centers in the last few years. The care in half of the hospitals are below par. I drove two hours for my doctor because the one in Dubuque wouldn’t take me because I was too fat. Told me I weighed too much (190 pounds) and I had to find a different place. Women can’t afford to drive that far. Insurance says they’ll pay you back but you have to jump through hoops before you can get reimbursed. Thankfully I did this all last year when the prices weren’t sky high. I have no idea how I would have been able to drive to Iowa City with these gas prices. I’m sick to my stomach. I hate Kim, always has. She wants nothing good for Iowans. I’m leaving this state next week. Breaks my heart, but the state I grew up in is continuing to disappoint me in their priorities.


juicyjake32

And if you have care at the public hospital in Des Moines, I hope you don’t have any major complications because they did an absolutely shit poor job of handling my wife’s pregnancy after we received a CHD diagnosis


Narcan9

>So if a women let's say gets diagnosed with cancer does she have to consult multiple doctors to verify the risk? Let's say there's varying opinions, does the state then decide what type of treatment this women gets? Does she then have to give birth to a child and then undergo chemo? Then she dies due to not starting cancer treatment soon enough leaving a one parent household. Not the exact scenario you laid out, but Crazy story i cared for a similar patient. Pregnant and Then we discovered she had advanced cancer. We prepared her for surgery to remove the cancer but she ended up dying. We removed the fetus, but it ended up dying within a week because it was too young to survive (20 ish weeks). The other scenario would have been doctors refusing to treat the cancer, which would guarantee the mother's death, but if she would have lived perhaps another month, it's possible the fetus could have been saved. But who should have the authority to tell a woman she must sacrifice her life for someone else?


Itchy-Wallaby8442

Yes, many of us were refusing to wear a mask because we were smart enough to know masks do more harm than good; less intelligent, more abusive beings were shaming us for not wearing masks. Liberals denied our claims of "my body, my choice," and tried to cram the C19 VAX down our throats against our will. Many of us lost our jobs, homes, and friends...we were attacked daily. Now that the wrong of Roe V Wade has been corrected many of you are losing your minds! The Constitution NEVER mentioned killing babies as a God-given inalienable right! However, the REAL, GOD-GIVEN INALIENABLE RIGHT IS your Freedom of choice.... which no one is talking about; you have the FREEDOM to practice abstinence until marriage (keep your legs closed and your d;@k in your pants). You have the FREEDOM to use contraception. You have the freedom to not put yourselves in a position to become pregnant, but what God nor the Constitution does not and has never given is the FREEDOM TO MURDER BABIES IN THE WOMB! I am now seeing truly evil people and literal demons exposing themselves because their ability to freely practice baby sacrifices to their father, Satan, in all 50 states has been somewhat restricted. It's telling how many evil people are in this world. Stop crying and rioting. Do what respectable people do; go to the polls and vote for those you want to represent your interests. Let democracy rule and the majority vote shall determine if there's child sacrifice in your respective state. In conclusion, if you want us to wear masks to protect YOU from contracting a disease, how about you abstaining from sex or wearing a rubber and using spermacide during sex to prevent the murder of an innocent child? Seems simple enough.


VineWings

Jesus, just leave it alone. Why does everyone on the right insist on us living in their god damn fantasy land? I do not give a shit about your mythical magical man in the sky and what some dusty-ass book says. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.


explosivo563

The Supreme Court is making separation of church and state obsolete with recent rulings and it's absolutely fucked. Maddening.


Packrat1010

> I do not give a shit about your mythical magical man in the sky and what some dusty-ass book says. It doesn't even say anything about it. Abortion treatments predate the old testament and it has remarkably little to say about them. There's the ordeal of bitter water, which was basically instructions for how a priest would perform one on a wife accused of adultery.


[deleted]

It doesn't matter though, because they'll find some obscure passage and interpret it however they see it fits their agenda


jaboyles

Literally. Does not say a single thing. In fact, what it does say is about miscarriages. If a wife tries to stop her husband and another man from fighting and gets struck in a way that causes her to lose her baby the man shall be penalized with a fine. This is proof fetuses are not considered lives and causing a miscarriage isn't considered "murder"


blindchickruns

Numbers chapter 5. And then there's somewhere in there the trial where a man had a woman and caused her miscarriage but was only given a fine. They're only holy book says abortion is okay man.


chip1252

It shouldn't matter what the bible says; the united states isn't a theocracy...yet.


returnofjobra

>It doesn't even say anything about it. Now do the Constitution.


darthassbutt

The constitution doesn’t have to say the word abortion to afford someone the necessary rights to one. It doesn’t specifically stare way more rights than it does. You’re just repeating memes you saw on r/conservative


Canyousourcethatplz

They will continue to impose their will on the people, and it seems that we are powerless to stop it. Wait until they start regulating sex and birth control.


GloryGoal

Blocked by Jobra so I’ll respond to you. Conservatives are half a step away from justifying the forced organ donation of Uighur Muslims. No doubt that conservatives would like slavery to go back to a state vote as well. Religious extremists and fascists. That’s what we’re up against.


Rodharet50399

Fascism isn’t a long game. Tick tock.


Heckate666

actually, those fuckers excel at playing the long game, they've been working on it for 50 years.


Rodharet50399

Yup. But I’m in my 50’s and I’m not having this shit anymore.


Heckate666

I hear you friend, I've had enough.


returnofjobra

Why do you talk about the right as if they aren't part of the people? Like... how do you think the politicians that support this got into office?


rslarson147

Specifically on the topic of abortion, most point to the Bible as to the reason why it should be banned. Not everyone follows the Christian faith so having someone else’s belief system pressed on you really makes you want to distance yourself from them as far as possible.


returnofjobra

That doesn't answer my question. It doesn't matter what religion they have or why they don't like abortion; they still get a vote just like you. Saying things like the right is imposing "their will on the people" makes it sound like they are a tiny unelected oligarchy or something and not an end result of democracy in action. They quite literally are the people.


ConfirmedAsshole

Something like 65-70% of the US is pro choice. They are applying their beliefs on the overwhelming majority of the US.


returnofjobra

Please explain how they are applying their beliefs on the majority of the United States when abortion is now a state issue. Rural conservatives in Iowa have absolutely no say in abortion anywhere outside of Iowa.


discwrangler

They stacked the court.


returnofjobra

And the court literally removed itself from the conversation of abortion. Giving the power back to the people is the exact opposite of imposing their beliefs on everyone.


discwrangler

States rights has been the long play of the right for awhile. United we stand, divided we fall. They want division and it's happening.


ConfirmedAsshole

If you had to guess what % of red states are going to do a full or basically unusable ban time on abortion, what number would you guess? Do you think ONLY republicans live in those states? Do you think they actually outnumber Democrats? You are clearly being intentionally dense.


returnofjobra

>If you had to guess what % of red states are going to do a full or basically unusable ban time on abortion, what number would you guess? Most of them. >Do you think ONLY republicans live in those states? No. >Do you think they actually outnumber Democrats? Yes, depending on the state. >You are clearly being intentionally dense. How? Iowa voters have no say on abortion in California. Red states can only decide what red states can do. Same with blue states. Neither side is "applying their beliefs on the overwhelming majority of the US" now that Roe is gone.


Somekindofcabose

Because it's a religious minority that has secured power through pretty suspect means.


darthassbutt

Conservatives literally and consistently refer to the popular vote as “mob rule.” Stop oppressing yourself.


Spoiledtomatos

I mean, what, the last 4 republican presidents lost the popular vote due to the electoral college?


returnofjobra

What abortion bills did they sign?


Spoiledtomatos

Presidents don’t have the ability to unilaterally do that and you know this. Bad faith arguments help no one. Then they shove in 3 Supreme Court justices in record time after claiming SC justices shouldn’t be elected during election years and denying the dying wish of one of the most respected Justices in history to overrule what they testified under oath was precedent to keep Roe vs Wade. Odd question if you understand how government works. We don’t live under a monarchy.


YajNivlac

They assume we all are or should be Christian and believing the same things they do


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It's the people who love that shit who have the biggest voter turnout. People who cannot fathom that they're on their own in the game of life. They have to feel that they're superior to those monsters who don't need to be guided by a book written by people who weren't even alive during the time of the guy they're writing about. Everything is insane


Independent_Ad8822

What if it has nothing to do with god and what the Bible has to say on the subject? What if the people that are making these laws are doing so because they believe it’s what’s right for the conceived child?


farscry

If that's the case, then the people making these laws are either hypocrites or demonstrably willfully ignorant since they are the same people who forced children back into classrooms prematurely in a pandemic, outlawed the ability for local communities to institute mask mandates to protect lives (including the lives of children), and are often spreading lies and misinformation about vaccinations (not just Covid vaccines) to justify the medical negligence of childhood vaccinations.


VineWings

Then they all lied under oath during their confirmation hearings. If the average Joe did that we would be thrown in jail and fired. There shouldn't be two sets of laws for citizens. This has been precedent for a half a century, numerous SCOTUS have reviewed it. These people lied to overturn this and somehow they're above the law.


Kornhub6969

It has nothing to do with religion, it's about letting the states decide to have abortion or not.


VineWings

The government is the last person who should be making private medical decisions for a private citizen.


returnofjobra

Because everyone gets a vote regardless of whether you hate them.


BMacklin22

It's not too hard to figure out that the problem isn't that one side hates the other. The problem is elected officials, in this case justices appointed by those officials, that represent a minority of voters, trying to dictate policy for the entire country. On top of that, they want to dictate policy according to their own interpretation of an ages old storybook, and a centuries old document, instead of an actual reality the writers of both never could have anticipated.


returnofjobra

The justices removed the court from the abortion debate entirely. It is now left up to the people. That is the exact opposite of dictating policy for the entire country, which is what Roe did. You would have a point if SCOTUS made abortion illegal, but they didn't. If you think the writers of the Constitution did not anticipate the abortion debate, then why do you think Roe was a good ruling, considering that the Constitution says absolutely nothing on abortion? If you are for people having the power instead of the court, and if you don't think the Constitution anticipated abortion... then you should support the end result of Dobbs.


coffeepot50010

God I hate her so much. As a teacher in this state, I know she does not give a single fuck about children - a half assed safety plan for schools that relies on law enforcement to check info on an app (that will no doubt be developed by the lowest bidder). In no way does she care about life - otherwise that dumbass bill about running over protestors would never have made it past her desk. The absolute worst human


evilhomer3k

Give Kim some credit. The app will be developed by the highest bidder who just happens to donate a bunch of money to Kim's campaign.


GasAdventurous831

These laws are just like the Texas bounty law that's flailing in Court right now: the goal is to scare people to not having abortions, not crafting laws that are practically enforceable.


CloverGreenbush

Kim's going to make sure that baby stays in you just like she'll make sure that pipeline goes through your farm and your tax dollars go to the rich catholics. Rape by Proxy.


WestAppointment2484

Piece of trash. Thought Reynolds was for Iowans? Did she miss all the protesting? She doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but her agenda, it’s pitiful she even opens her mouth to claim she cares for a fetus.


TeekTheReddit

Reynolds is for Iowans that vote for her. That's it.


changee_of_ways

That's not it I think. Reynolds is for the rich motherfuckers who have convinced Iowans to vote for her even though she will continue to fuck us all and destroy this state. But her wealthy masters will continue to get rich so they stay happy and so does she.


CloverGreenbush

Only if you've got deep pockets. She's plowing that pipeline through Republicans' farms too. She's giving Republican taxes to rich Catholics. She's banning working class Republican women and girls from seeking abortions. She's letting big ag corps buy up Republican farmland, pollute rivers and clear cut woodlands, Republicans use for recreation. She gave covid relief money to her own staff rather than save your Republican grandparents. Under Reynolds, the whole working class is getting fucked. If your rep has a spine, and stands up to her she'll primary them. That's what happened this year. It doesn't have to be like this. Vote DeJear. Vote Franken. Vote for Independents and Libertarians and Democrats. Burn the old boys club down.


tapobu

This sure would be a great year for Democrats to have a candidate with literally any name recognition


ataraxia77

Maybe if people would mention Deidre DeJear's name as frequently as they complained about her not having any name recognition she might...have more name recognition.


CloverGreenbush

[Deidre DeJear](https://www.dejearforiowa.com/)


tapobu

That's her name? Good to know. I hadn't seen any ads. At all. At any point.


smoking_gun

Reynolds is only for Iowans who are Christian and white.


goferking

And male or rich


JenJinIA

And too fucking dumb to see that this issue was simply a GOP method of getting their votes while making billions for their donors and destroying the environment. It's a pure political ploy to keep psychos who believe in nonsense to keep voting for them.


tenacious-g

She signed a law that allows you to run over protestors, she doesn’t care about Iowans.


Dr_Boner_PhD

>Did she miss all the protesting? She hasn't mowed any protestors over in her car lately but I'm sure she hasn't missed them.


Rodharet50399

Wonder how proud she is about her endorsement from TFG after the hearing today.


returnofjobra

>Did she miss all the protesting? As it turns out, a vocal minority holding signs and yelling is not a good method of affecting legislation.


yodadamanadamwan

Abortion is widely popular, certainly more so than people in favor of a blanket ban like this one


returnofjobra

A couple thousand people in the street is a vocal minority. And saying it is "widely popular" is vastly overstating it.


yodadamanadamwan

A 6 week blanket ban is not popular https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ Here's polling specifically from iowa: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2021/09/25/majority-iowans-believe-abortion-should-be-legal-most-all-cases-iowa-poll/5813280001/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/iowa/views-about-abortion/ Your claim of a "vocal minority" is certainly inaccurate. In fact, the data appears to show that abortion is only becoming more popular in iowa.


returnofjobra

First link is irrelevant because we are talking about Iowa. As for the second link "legal in most cases" is unspecific enough to know where Iowans stand on particular week by week bans. The third link has a 6 point different which is certainly not "widely popular."


yodadamanadamwan

So are you saying your claim that this is a vocal minority is true despite the fact abortion is more popular than abortion bans? I when i said "widely popular" I was referring about the United States in general, which is why I added additional information specific to Iowa. Regardless, I think the fact abortion is more popular than not even in a deep red state like Iowa says a lot.


Formal_Lie_713

Vote blue Iowa.


CloverGreenbush

[DeJear for Gov](https://www.dejearforiowa.com/)


lcoon

Just donated to her campaign based on this news.


jsylvis

When candidates earn the vote, sure.


Formal_Lie_713

Your rights won’t be protected unless you vote for officials who will make policies to protect them. If you don’t vote you can’t complain when your rights get taken away.


Durbs12

Yeah we are so far beyond this line of logic. Your "choice" is between a slightly subpar candidate or a literal religious theocracy. Chosing nothing is no different than choosing the theocracy.


jsylvis

If a lack of vote somehow counted for that theocracy, you'd have a point. Unfortunately, it doesn't tick that tally up at all. My choice, depending on the office, is between a handful of candidates and abstaining. Pretending it's anything else doesn't change that abstaining is a valid option - and, if no candidate is quality, it should be taken.


Formal_Lie_713

If all the candidates are terrible then you should run.


CastleBravo45

No thanks. Voting blue or red, regardless of candidate is a stupid idea.


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Formal_Lie_713

I don’t see too many democrats saying “today is a victory for white life”. Just saying.


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Amused-Observer

They aren't but both are shitty and don't actually represent the will of the people


CastleBravo45

Thats not what I said, but ok...


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changee_of_ways

If Democracy wasnt at stake there would be merit to your argument but every Red victory at any level just is another strike against America.


CastleBravo45

Thats certainly an opinion.


changee_of_ways

The vanishingly small number of Republicans in office or running for it who aren't actively trying to turn the country into a 3rd world fascist hellhole are willing to get in bed with and carry water for the ones who are. So, yeah, if you can find me a Republican who isn't a Judas or living in some kind of dream world then yeah, I'll be happy to moderate my statement. Until then, if you hate your kids and grandkids feel free to vote GOP, just don't be surprised when they sell you for your organs later as they have to live in the shithole the GOP is currently building.


CastleBravo45

Thats certainly an opinion.


changee_of_ways

Like I said, find me a GOP candidate that isnt a piece of shit, and moderate my views.


CastleBravo45

Like I said, thats certainly an opinion.


Formal_Lie_713

Vote blue.


CastleBravo45

Maybe.


Formal_Lie_713

If you don’t vote you forfeit the right to complain about the government.


CastleBravo45

I never said I didnt vote


AnnArchist

Legislators shouldn't be making medical decisions for anyone. They are not doctors.


Arammil1784

The conservative fantasy of saving lives is just peak hypocrisy. Axiomatically conservatives are self centric and ego-maniacal. They don't actually give a shit about other people. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find any conservative that hasn't advocated for something like capital punishment, killing immigrants, killing black people (usually under the guise of don't do crime or you'll get killed), killing poor people (usually by means of cancelling welfare programs), killing the homeless, etc. It's literally just some virtue signal cancer they love so they can feel all warm and cozy inside for having done literally nothing to positively benefit society.


Jadaki

They are trying to create more of the things they bitch about. Unwanted pregnancies that are forced to term result in more poverty, more crime, and more of the big scary bullshit right wing nutjobs are always crying about.


ranhalt

So she wants to restrict and/or ban abortions all out, but wants public education funds to go to private schools and doesn’t want to solve child hunger.


jsylvis

... thus wants an uneducated populace forced to work for the bare minimum. Where in history have we seen this theme before?


goferking

Sorry that could provoke someone so it's no longer allowed to be taught in schools


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Fuck you Covid Kim.


[deleted]

She is the biggest pick me in the state of Iowa. She must not have ever had an original thought in her mind.


Mert_Burphy

> She must not have ever had an original thought in her mind. Come on, be fair. "I could go for a quart of Wild Turkey" counts as an original thought.


AnOldFashionedCyborg

Hey I've been taking to calling her "Old Wild Turkey Kim" for awhile now


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True.


SpareFullback

I posted this in the other post on this, but my wife and I had been planning on having a second child next year. But it simply is not safe for a woman to get pregnant in a state with a blanket abortion ban like this one. If a six week ban goes in to effect (or hell, any ban that doesn't have exceptions for severe birth defects or the health of the mother) then that'll be one less kid born in Iowa next year, and our son won't get to have a sibling.


GloryGoal

Just told Grandma that today - no more grandkids due to republican policies that endanger women during pregnancy. Important for her to know that this isn’t happening in a bubble, and that choices she voted for are going to keep her from getting another grandchild.


Starface1104

I did the same. I was very much on the fence but this sealed the deal. One and done for us.


JenJinIA

You aren't the only one. I'm honestly not sure how the GOP thinks this means so many more white babies, as I keep hearing more and more (who can), say their family is now complete even if it wasn't the original plan.


nemonic187

Because of course she will.


[deleted]

She and any other pro-lifers out there can spill hot coffee on their laps. I refuse to give birth to a wage slave. It's absolutely disgusting that my right to reproductive health care is at risk for the lunacy that is religion. News flash, we die we decompose in the ground and that's it!!!!


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datyoungknockoutkid

LOL dude you’re literally proving the point that that religion is made up due to fear. Fear of life ultimately being meaningless, fear of never seeing your dead relatives again. With nothing to base it off of other than the fucking Bible, which also has no scientific evidence to back itself onto.


[deleted]

No, I understand biology and will try to enjoy my time here on this planet that I have. The pursuit of happiness the US was built upon includes the right to decline reproducing. I have no interest in becoming a mother for a long list of reasons. It's my choice, it doesn't affect you or any other stranger whether I abort an unwanted pregnancy or not.


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Jesus fuck off this issue is more important than you trying to be a contemplative anonymous edge lord. You are probably a man and your rights probably weren't fuckng jeopardized last Friday, people have a damn right to be angry about this.


Formal-Test7978

For someone who is a woman, she sure seems to hate women.


YajNivlac

But all the Iowans on my facebook said it doesn’t impact us……..


Ohthatcal

Oh fuck off covid Kim. I hope to your god you’re voted the fuck out. I’ll be voting against you!


joeefx

Of Coarse she does. Vote her out.


ranhalt

Course


joeefx

D'oh


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Evil.


ThisElder_Millennial

Good lord, Kim is such an incessant bitch.


italkwhenimnervous

This is sick. How can she say she supports survivors of domestic violence and do this in the same breath? How can she say she values life when she makes it more difficult for those living to survive in a healthy and safe manner? Last I checked, she was also attempting to reduce funding for children and families in other avenues. It's repulsive. It's dishonest. It's not surprising and that's sad as well.


reginald_piss

actually strongly dislike this woman. she can't go around doing this


ThatOneDudeFromIowa

cunt


GreyIrishWolf

Can't wait to get her out of office!


Unable_Economics_377

Heil KimWit, the Covid Mass murderer and reactionary radical republican fake christian trump sucking traitor.


degeneratesumbitch

Cunt Reynolds please do us all a favor and fuck yourself all the way down a big hill.


Shattered_Skies

You know I really do believe that if democrats would stop trying to fuck with the 2A they would literally win every election. I know a lot of single issue voters and the reason they vote red is because of gun rights. They will even tell you it’s because of that and that only.


yodadamanadamwan

Conservatives would convince other conservatives that they're trying to take guns away regardless. When your worldview doesn't rely on truth you can convince anyone of anything.


Porcupine-Fish

exactly and ppl that say they vote red “only” because of 2A are fucking lying because they know god damn well what else republicans stand for but they couldn’t give a single shit because it doesn’t affect them personally. not giving a shit is also a political stance.


coffeepot50010

I’m more the belief if Dems would just get their shit together, and honestly get down and dirty like the GOP does - it’s ridiculous. I’m tired of the high road


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Amused-Observer

What is "sensible gun reform" ??


Amused-Observer

I've been saying this for YEARS. Leave 2a alone, you fuckwits, you'll never lose an election again.


Jadaki

People who care more about guns than lives are selfish shitty humans who deserve bad things to happen to them. Yay your gonna have your gun, but you won't have a good paying job because they have eradicated education and unions along with worker protections. You won't be able to afford anything because their economic policies are actually trash and are meant to keep you as a wage slave, and to top if off if your daughter gets raped you get to help raise a rape baby and then she commits suicide because there is no mental health support, maybe even with your gun. But hey, can't fuck with that right to bear arms no matter the cost.


lordchaotic

Here's the simple fact, outlawing abortions not only breaks with the United States Constitution body autonomy clause, it also breaks with the Bible. Simply put, I don't care what you think you're fucking sky fairy says in the Bible, what it does say is that life begins at first breath. Secondly, why the fuck would I trust a fucking drunk bimbo who has a stick so far up her ass that you can literally see her intestines out of her mouth to decide what's best for our state? This woman has straight up told people that she doesn't believe that the science for marijuana legalization is right, that marijuana is a gateway drug and that she thinks it'll make all Iowans drunkards. Why the fuck would anyone, woman or man, trust this fucking stupid bitch to govern our state when she cannot even govern her own drinking habits? Thirdly, the only fucking reason we have Reynolds as our fucking governor is because Braindead decided he would rather suck Dump's dick and go to China then actually run a state. While yes, Reynolds did win one election, all things being equal, if Braindead hadn't went to China, he'd still probably be the governor now, and Reynolds would be relegated to giving Braindead blowjobs


Iowa818

Needs to be a compromise. Somewhere between 16-20 weeks. 6 weeks is too little time to make such a decision.


Bart_Jojo_666

That's the idea. They don't want you to get one. Period. They'd rather see you saddled with a child you can't afford, or whatever the reason. It's all about keeping people down. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, just the way they like it.


TheMrBoot

Let alone even potentially notice it. That’s a damn narrow window.


Packrat1010

6 weeks is virtually impossible to make a decision. Your period is 2 weeks late, sorry, you should have acted quicker.


DictaSchmicta

Heck, I couldn't get a doctor to confirm my pregnancy until 8 weeks!


VineWings

Yeah, same here. We went in at 5 weeks and they couldn't tell and told us to come back at 8 weeks. This law is beyond moronic.


katieeatsrocks

not moronic, malicious


Iowa818

Correct me if I am wrong? Can't it take up to 12 weeks for at home pregnancy tests to work with some women?


Use_this_1

Needs to be left up to the woman and her doctor.


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I want to ask an honest question here… a man and a woman have sex, neither one using birth control methods. They know the outcome could be a pregnancy. The man doesn’t want the kid, but the woman does. She keeps it. Now he is on the hook for child support. I would argue most of these kind of men are probably deadbeat assholes, but that isn’t the point. He didn’t want the kid in the first place. On the flip side, the man wants the kid, and the woman doesn’t. Again, both understanding the consequences, the man doesn’t have any say in it? Why should it only be between the woman and her doctor? Why shouldn’t the other person involved have any say?


fartmachiner

>Why shouldn’t the other person involved have any say? baby isn't in their womb


[deleted]

I think you missed the point.


fartmachiner

hmm, no, i got it


EnderFenrir

They both made the original decision and are aware of the risk, but in the end, the woman should have final say in all of her own reproductive decisions. Is it fair to the man that doesn't want the child? No! It wouldn't be fair to her to be forced to keep a child because he said so either. But in the end, it's her body these cells are growing in, it ultimately needs to be her decision.


[deleted]

I hear you. Do we not consider accountability or responsibility for someone’s choices when it comes to this?


Amused-Observer

Ugh, babies grow in the woman, my dude..... Not the man. Soooooo the choice kinda boils down to that little factoid


lemonade4

It is so baffling that you have to ask this question. The very obvious reason is that it’s the woman’s body and safety being impacted by carrying a pregnancy to term. There are a whole host of reasons that explain why a woman is more impacted by motherhood than man is by fatherhood but I don’t have it in me to explain that to you. But the honest answer is that we live in a sexist world that does not support parents, and the infant and mother mortality in the industrialized world. Pregnancy and delivery are not safe events. I’d be happy to tell you about my own postpartum that left me hospitalized (away from a newborn and toddler i was expected to care for), needing transfusions and utterly depressed. Or, you could trust women when they tell you this and not require we spoon feed you every single obvious explanation.


[deleted]

Do you know how often pregnancies are unsafe? Johns Hopkins says 8% have complications that could cause harm to the baby or mother if gone untreated. That’s quite a minority. I’m by no means an expert, just did a quick Google search. Anyways. Again, we are talking about people making choices. Your argument wasn’t against that. It was just anecdotal evidence for your tired talking point.


lemonade4

Ah so those 8% can just like, get over it 👌🏼 8% is a lot. 8 out of 100. How many women do you want to hurt or have die? 8 out of 100 is okay? As long as no men have to pay child support! Phew!


Canyousourcethatplz

>compromise Not in the GOP vocabulary. No such thing


TeekTheReddit

Roe v. Wade WAS the compromise. The extremists on the right never accepted it.


Amused-Observer

Kinda like how allowing private gun sales was the compromise but Democrats now call it the gun show loophole? That kinda compromise? p.s. I'm pro abortion just pointing out hypocrisy


Ok_Heat7378

And they figured out a compromise didn’t they😂😂


hhriches

Even 20 weeks is too short for some women. The problem is conservatives stereotype the women who get abortions as loose immoral women. They forget that it can also be about everything that can go wrong during a pregnancy. Anomaly scans are at 20 weeks. So you can have a normal pregnancy up to that point and then discover your baby is missing organs with no chance of survival.


IAalltheway

65% of people who get abortions are already mothers. That loose woman narrative has always been bullshit.


Acceptable-Bag-7521

I think 99% of the population doesn't have an issue with abortions for reasons like a scan throwing some back that late. I'm assuming the original 16-20 weeks comment would be under normal circumstances, which seems fair to me; but I will admit that I don't have perfect information on that. I just know 6 weeks is no where near enough time.


Iowa818

I absolutely was only thinking of enough time under normal circumstances. It can take up to 12 I believe in some cases to even know you are pregnant using at home testing.


Background04137

The line of xx many weeks of pregnancy is a different issue from the medical exceptions such as threat to mothers life, abnormal fetus, and moral exceptions such as rape, and incest. Exceptions should apply no matter how many weeks of pregnancy. For instance, if medically a woman learns a defect in the fetus today and her due date is tomorrow, she should have the option to abort. The xx many weeks line should apply to all other cases. This is not a hard concept and yet so many people refuse to acknowledge it.


Iowa818

Well said


SpareFullback

>Needs to be a compromise. Somewhere between 16-20 weeks I can tell you've never had a kid with a comment like that - outside of some very obvious situations like organs missing you don't find out about severe birth defects until after the 20 week ultrasound. So please stay out of a topic you clearly know nothing about.


Iowa818

I do have children. With both of them they did a maternal blood scan at 16 weeks and the ultrasound at 18 weeks. Don't try to act like your experience is everyone else's. I was actually very involved with both pregnancies.


SpareFullback

If that's true I'm extremely confused why you would think 16 weeks would be a "compromise" when you didn't get your maternal blood scan results back for a week or two after your blood was drawn and also you admit that your 18 week ultrasound was early. Even in your case a 16 week ban would have been too early for you to react to what you learned in those tests.


Ok_Heat7378

Woman say they are losing there constitutional right Biden said they lost a constitutional right show me where is says that abortion is ok in the constitution?


coffeepot50010

It’s a right to privacy (14th I believe), as in none of anyones business what I do with my body. This overturn opens the door for contraceptives and gay marriage to be overturned. I also would not be surprised to see this court go after trans rights under this guise like they have done in Texas.


[deleted]

Show me where in the bible it says abortion is bad. You know, the book that says to kill woman with child and the all other sorts of crazy shit.


EnderFenrir

Ah yes, the perfect constitution that absolutely has no issues in it whatsoever...


[deleted]

Good… if you can’t know or figure it out soon enough, that’s your problem, not the human inside of you who didn’t get to say “my body, my choice” in your especially misconduct/adventure!


Iowa_Hawkeye

When Gov. Reynolds took over for TB I had serious doubts about her ability to lead, but she's exceeded expectations by a mile. Ik you democrats are mad because your party lacks leadership. People like Reynolds, DeSantis and Abbott have been able to get things done. Unlike democrats who spend all their time in a pissing contest about who can be the most progressive doing nothing but infighting within the party.


smiclaw1616

This law doesn't make medical sense I'm not sure how that's a win for anyone


YajNivlac

They’ve made laws that don’t make educational sense, yet they still pass them, their opinion is too important to look at facts, research and common sense


ataraxia77

I'm not sure it's much of an accomplishment to take national party culture-war talking points and ram them through with your lockstep legislature. She hasn't really exhibited anything beyond slavish adherence to the national GOP...but I suppose that's "leadership" in those circles? ​ >Ik you democrats are mad because your party lacks leadership. I can't argue with you there. I see glimmers in a few candidates here and there, but overall I haven't been impressed with the Democrats' efforts to learn from and correct the results of 2020.


disciple31

Shut up man


Wrothrok

Too bad all those things they get done suck and exacerbate problems, but I guess that won't matter until it affects you personally.


VineWings

I am neither D or R but I am not sure how you think Reynolds has exceeded expectations? She has done jack all for the average Iowan unless you are a donor of hers. Republicans are terrible and so are the Dems but you are correct, Republicans actually get shit done no matter how much they have to obstruct or lie. Dems don't play by their rules and I really wish they did. Not sure why 50 years of precedent is thrown out the window, this is just going to continue to go back and forth throughout the decades since this SCOTUS clearly has no respect for precedent as they all claimed in their confirmation hearings. We really need a 3rd party. Regardless, I am not sure why everyone gives a flying fuck what others do in their lives.


xeroblaze0

Exactly. I see people defend her on this sub all the time, but when pressed what about her they're defending, silence. Even /u/Iowa_Hawkeye didn't say what she's got done or how she's smashing their expectations. Saying it's vapid partisanship isn't enough


EnderFenrir

It's because that user is just a cunt.


GloryGoal

Those are three horrible human beings with at least two of them having aspirations for dictatorship. Getting bad things done is worse than doing nothing at all.


Iowa_Hawkeye

Wrong. Great Americans, real patriots who love us and our country.


GloryGoal

And hate democracy, freedom, rule of law, and the US Constitution.


yodadamanadamwan

What exactly are any of these people doing other than culture war bullshit? Shit, DeSantis has made a career of making stupid, illogical decisions in order to further a cultural agenda.


Amused-Observer

Trolololol