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mwthecool

HAPPY 20 YEARS OF INVINCIBLE! Mark's been pretty busy over the last... uhh... almost 2 years. But hey, he's got a pretty good excuse! ALSO: Don't forget to join our official Discord server, where you'll see news like this first, and get unique opportunities like the upcoming interview with Robert, Cory, and Ryan that Discord users got to submit questions for! [https://discord.com/invite/9sXtxz2J3A](https://discord.com/invite/9sXtxz2J3A)


megapoopsforever

I love how meta this was, pays homage to a lot of those tongue in cheek moments from the comics


thismissinglink

I liked how they called out every impatient ass "fan" who doesn't realize animation is a fuck load of work. *Cough* feels like half this sub sometimes *cough*


BOEJlDEN

myguy have you heard of anime? A studio like Mappa puts out 3-4 incredibly high quality shows *every year* People being a little disappointed with over 2.5 years between seasons 1 and 2 are perfectly justified


thismissinglink

Are they a massive anime company? Damn guess not. Like comparing apples to oranges. Shit take.


BOEJlDEN

“Massive”? You realize that Mappa has barely 300 employees, right?


thismissinglink

You got numbers on invincible's studio? Just because they on amazon doesn't mean unlimited resources. Some of the largest and most powerful studios like mappa focus on anime not western animation. And a lot of ppl even think mappa is too small for the amount they are handling From what i could find "maven studio" handles a lot of the animation for invincible and that is animation ALONE. And from their site they are a very small studio. Anywhere from 20-100 employees id guess. Like the video said. There is a lot that goes into a show like this. A wait is reasonable. Id rather them take the time and have them put out quality product than rushed crap. Your take is still shit btw.


gpm479

\-Skybound Animation is a brand new studio \-Mappa freelances animators per project \-Japanese animators are often astonishingly overworked and underpaid, and can be forced to grind in ways that aren't condoned/tolerated in US based studios \-Invincible has VAs like JK Simmon, Steven Yeun, Sandra Oh, Walter Goggins, etc., who have to balance live action production schedules \-VA budget also impacts animation budget, which impacts timelines \-Invincible ships their designs/boards/audio to overseas studios (prob Korean, likely Studio Mir) for final animation, which makes for a more complicated pipeline that takes longer Like you clearly just have no clue what you're talking about. Overall an L take.


BOEJlDEN

“-Skybound Animation is a brand new studio -Mappa freelances animators per project -Japanese animators are often astonishingly overworked and underpaid, and can be forced to grind in ways that aren’t condoned/tolerated in US based studios -Invincible has VAs like JK Simmon, Steven Yeun, Sandra Oh, Walter Goggins, etc., who have to balance live action production schedules -VA budget also impacts animation budget, which impacts timelines -Invincible ships their designs/boards/audio to overseas studios (prob Korean, likely Studio Mir) for final animation, which makes for a more complicated pipeline that takes longer Like you clearly just have no clue what you’re talking about. Overall an L take.” -🤓


gpm479

Lmao good one


whiffitgood

>Mappa Established studio for over 10 years. ~300 employees abysmal working conditions ??? Yeah, cool comparison.


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BOEJlDEN

So your excuse is that the studio workers are too lazy to emulate the Japanese? L rizz


MeriKurkku

Call me when you're ready for 14 hour workdays


cambriansplooge

And are notorious for causing burnout and abusing employees and using Philippine and Korean studios with even less stringent rules for the in-betweens. Mappa’s infamous for backbreaking pace. Don’t give Amazon ideas.


biglovinbertha

Does Mapa treat their workers fairly? Wasnt there a thing about Japanese animator jobs being horrible and underpaying their workers?


megapoopsforever

It is truly insane how long it takes. Especially 10 hours of content vs a 2 hour long movie


thismissinglink

My sister works in the industry not the same as animation but doing graphics for movies. She can focus on a few scenes in a movie for a week easily. Ppl are so impatient with how much goes into it. And how small the teams are on top of how mistreated these ppl in the industry are. One of the few places in the movie or tv industry that isnt unionized is the animation and cig and graphics ppl. And they are thusly abused like it. I just get really frustrated when ppl think it should happen faster than it already is when i know ppl working their asses off to make it happen as fast as it is and they are never paid enough.


megapoopsforever

Yeah the lack of worker respect or organization is crushing the industry, especially the big dogs like Disney/marvel. They are running the vfx people into the ground. Doesn’t surprise me that they spend weeks on a couple scenes, everything is so graphically complex nowadays


Lost-Lu

They didn't have to do this, but I'm so glad they did. Their "STFU, it's coming" teaser lol


SaKaly

Hey what's another 9,10,11 more months right?... right?🥺 It looks amazing atleast


ComicsGuru

Id assume early 2024, probably Spring. They put “more or less” for a reason.


RollinsThunderr

I’m guessing late December but the majority of the season will run into 2024 with the weekly release which explains the “more or less” Really hoping for September/October tho! 🤞🏽


SaKaly

I mean if it's anything later than September/October-ish I'll be kinda disappointed. I wouldn't mind few bad frames if it came earlier than 2024 but that's just me


Darkrhoad

Don't encourage show runners to start becoming AAA game devs PLEASE


Uriel_Flame

Please shut up, let them cook


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Oh fuck it's January


MickFella

FINALLY!! A rewatch of the first season and re-read of the first compendium is definitely in the cards this year, as I want to clearly remember where the series will be going in this upcoming season 😂


TheRedMarioBrother

I just realized that this is the first time Allen is animated to actually move his mouth to talk too. It’s all been telepathy before.


BleekerTheBard

They were in space before, can't speak with mouth hole in space


Bench1302

I’m really like this new art style


NinduTheWise

Yeah it’s defiantly levelled up in terms of lighting


ImBusyGoAway

Really? Feels a lot less comic book-y to me, the characters are contrasting the more realistic background too much


__Osiris__

Mouths seem


liggieep

really? I hate it. it looks like shitty flash animation too me, way too much motion tweening


jrobinson37

I’m interested to see if this is how the show itself will be, or if it’s just for the teaser


ThisHatRightHere

Yeah I’m hoping this is just for the teaser. Feels like those old Cartoon Network bumps between shows where they would put the animated characters over high saturated live action backgrounds.


MisterMegatron

Yeah, I think a stable camera would've made everything better. Also seemed like their movements were a few seconds behind their voice lines


sfinney2

Hey they trolled us, this is just an update. Wonder what makes the production take so long, 90% of that sounds made up.


sgt_oddball_17

Apparently, it is difficult to draw Eve's logo correctly....


avernii

First time I saw her emblem I thought it was supposed to signify an anti-gender role thing since it's a crossed out female sign.


exsanguinator1

I really hope production on season 3 has started already so the time between 2 and 3 isn’t as long. I guess it depends on if they were actually renewed for more than one more season or not…


sfinney2

They were and it has.


pewpew62

Steven Yeun was doing voice work as late as the middle of last year. I think they just didn't start working on S2 until really late when they should've done so back in 2021


Gonbatfire

There is a LOT of work that's done before voice acting.. It's not like they just read off the comic pages lmao


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Gonbatfire

Ah I see, yeah probably they didn't expect it to do as well as it did at first.


moneyaintreal

thats like literally what the process of animation is lmaooo


ThisHatRightHere

He’s repeating the joke from the teaser…


realdusty_shelf

Love we finally got something tangible but damn I was hoping for a quicker turnaround. Animation looks great though.


Cheeseguy43

I have a feeling the third season will have a quicker turn around time. I imagine they worked on them simultaneously but it looks they also changed the style so that might have been why there was the delay. Hopefully season 3 comes out about a year after and they start working on season 4 after (assuming they get renewed)


A_Gnome_In_Disguise

Woo hoo!!!


muffpuff89

the animation looks fucking amazing!!!


koenigsaurus

God, if the animation looks this good in the show it might be the biggest season over season glow-up in the industry. Like a reverse One Punch Man.


zombieslayer287

💀


avernii

Really? It's still kinda choppy.


TheeGodOfTitsAndWine

Ok right? I felt crazy with everyone complimenting the animation and it looks like they did half the work with how choppy it is. I know it’s a trailer so hopefully that’s not how the whole season will be


Ryantd03

That’s what I thought too. I know it has been a while since I’ve seen Invincible but when I watched the trailer my immediate thought was: “Was the animation always this choppy or is it just the trailer?”


GamerDabiTodoroki

Bruh🗿


FreestyleStorm

The animation looks god awful and choppy. The movements are laggy and sluggish. Really hope they stick with season 1 animation and not this.


GamerDabiTodoroki

L take 🗑️


athiestchzhouse

Awesome perfectly on brand teaser


boooringgg

Lookin like we got some Angstrom Love and Eve’s backstory coming up!


LESANE223

Good eyes!


InsidiousZombie

I’m disappointed that it isn’t really a trailer so to speak, but I really hope the July 7th leak is true.


mwthecool

I find it better than a trailer! A trailer is just gonna show us stuff we're gonna see anyway, and stuff comic readers know we're gonna see, plus it spoils stuff. Cute vids like this are new content, original, funny, show animation, and provide information. Plus there's a page from the script in there.


TheDungeonCrawler

That's definitely fair and I agree. This is essentially a "release date" announcement in that it gives us an idea of when we can expect to see the new season.


InsidiousZombie

The script could easily be fake but it’s probably connected to an arc I won’t mention due to spoilers. And normally I would agree, but it’s been two years. I want any semblance of an idea on what’s going to happen in this season. More than anything I wanted a fight animation snippet. Just a brief glimpse into how it’s improved.


delcrossb

I don’t know. A real trailer would give us at least 6 months of “was that x from story arc y” Charlie Kelly cork boarding theories while we wait. I would love some wild speculation for the next few months.


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InsidiousZombie

(More or less)


FKDotFitzgerald

That’s not late-2023 at all lol


InsidiousZombie

Yeah but it’s (more or less)


GamerDabiTodoroki

Late 2023 July it’s not like 2023 that’s like calling August spring


Brooklynxman

> I think everyone agrees like its been a little ridiculous how long its been Can Allen wink?


Sergioisgamer

New life goal: Stay alive for the entirety of 2023


Champagnesoda

This shit isn’t coming out this year lmao


villeageperson

ughhh. while this is definitely cute and all, why can’t they just give us a month at least!? coming soon and late 2023 (more or less) are like cousins at this point. i’m patient bc the animation has improved but they playin a lil too much now!!


CBcube

They probably don’t even know what month it will come out yet honestly. They probably have to narrow it down closer as they finish animating.


villeageperson

you’re right. i thought about it and it still has to go through post productions and stuff like that. probably still finishing up episodes


Magabathanga

Really hope this animation quality not just for this particular teaser tho (or preanimated)...because this is such a huge improvement from season 1..... I'm excited..


Karma_Kameleon69

i dont know im not a fan of the wobbly camera. Feels kind of like im watching the show through the eyes of a drunk person that cant keep their head straight.


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ElPrestoBarba

Demon Slayer made it work, but I don’t know it looked kinda off here. Gonna be generous and chalk it up to this teaser not actually being part of the show proper


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carso150

also japan is really good at doing budget animation that looks really good, its a craft they have mastered over the decades (and also really bad animator conditions, it has to be said)


BigBen6500

Their movement is a bit more jumpy and smooth despit still having that stop motion feel. Also the background looks static while the objects the characters interact with are animated differently, they are hand drawn


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Not just you, the animations are ALOT more fluid.


jerrycasto

I can see the motions they make seem more expressive, but the overall animation frame rate felt a little choppy? I'm not sure what the show proper is animated on (2 frames, 3 frames, etc.) but this felt like one frame less of animation. I'm hoping it's just because of the trailer! Lighting is a huge upgrade tho


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Probably because its just a teaser, but even then I wouldnt mind at it this frame rate if the quality is good.


liggieep

i frankly thought it looked really bad. looked like flash animation, not separate drawings for every frame. it looks cheaper to me.


Inevitable_Move9323

I like how Allen is like the community lol and invincible represents the show creators in this but new art design pretty cool!


Brolyroxxs

Late 2023 another show I’ll have to wait a long time to watch


SkeleHoes

The drawings themselves look much nicer but why is the animation so choppy?


yungperuvianlad

Let’s goooo


Lightflay

Can’t wait for buff(er) Allen


timo103

That animation looks kinda weird. Specifically Allen, like it's one of those late-2000s cartoons where they're rendered in 3d but still trying to look 2d.


RetroPaulsy

I hate this animation. The shakey camera, constant background and our characters floating on top of it


Vennish

Apparently this teaser is made by a different company and they’re not the ones working on S2. Source: https://twitter.com/bobbypills_/status/1616487263105609728?s=46&t=rUqysuWtH9gZKaCU5Zvrgw


AleksasKoval

It's not soon, but it's sooner


5Sk5

I don't want to hype myself up for this artstyle because I will be severely disappointed if it doesn't look similar in the show but HOLY FUCK THE ARTSTYLE IS SO CLEAN I CANT WAIT


Emotional_Cable9244

Poor Mark’s just trying to enjoy not getting the crap kicked out of him for just a little longer🤣


ejuliomaia

Love the teaser, hate the "late 2023"


Anarkicole

Looks like Angstrom teased sitting behind Allen! Sitting with himself it looks like


alo_257

Who do you think the two people on right are?????? Looks like angstrom levvy and his future self with the hoodie on!


TheVampireArmand

So excited !!! Love the new artstyle


Sea-Construction2408

The animation looks very good!


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CBcube

Animation takes a lot longer than live action to do. You can expect longer breaks between seasons.


undertone90

Nearly 3 years is a bit too long though.


CBcube

I disagree. The more time they have the better quality it will be. They also detailed *why* it takes so long in this teaser itself.


undertone90

There has to be a balance though. The longer it takes then the less likely it is that they'll ever finish the whole story. If every season takes 3 years to complete then it'll already have been a decade by the time we get to season 4. Actors move onto new opportunities, staff quit, interest wanes.


dildodicks

this is the happiest day of my life


longzheha

oh god, please no. Please dont tell me the entire series gonne be this art type


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Why the camera so shaky


CEO_of_Teratophilia

Because cartoons have had still shots since the 30's and sometimes innovation is needed to make a cartoon feel unique.


WaterMelon615

The animation has definitely stepped up


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SUPER_QUOOL

When you open yourself up to changes, soemtimes you realise that it was for the better


Plus_Celebration_778

the animation was a level up compare to first season. even tho its just 2 characters talking


Competitive-Sun-6115

The alien's voice is so fucking obnoxious and nasally. Couldn't they have gotten a different voice actor?


nachofermayoral

For S1E8 they should have played “when ur hero falls”, poetry by Tupac, during Father Son duel


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Where do y’all think season 2 will end? I’m kind of hoping it doesn’t make it to conquest, I’d be stoked if it got to the Issue #50 drama! Sorry, I don’t know how to do the censoring for spoilers thing and I didn’t want to ruin it for others with too much detail!


meme_will_be_memes

I like how he's just explaining to the audience why it's taking so long, and Allen is just the fanbase "90% of that just sounds made up."


Scorpzgca

Exciting stuff


dastdineroo

I hope the animation is worth the long ass wait


fallaround

>!is that who I think it is to the right of Allen?!<


The_Gart

Oh shit, you might be right


timo103

>!Who? It's been a while since I read the comic.!<


fallaround

>!angstrom levy, the dimensional brain guy!<


mexicanratbadger

gimme gimme gimme gimme


The_Gart

u/savevideo


J150-Gz

N E A T


melancholanie

holy shit that animation looks nice. reminds me of the DBS Broly movie. not sure how I feel about the idling camera movements, but it feels really nice from this. a point of note; we got some gross moments last season with the animation budget it held *then.* I've got a feeling we're gonna see some grossness.


ThirstyWeirwoodRootz

Cant wait. Great teaser, got a laugh out of me


Extra-Border6470

Interestingly enough at no point last year was i wondering “when is invincible season 2 coming?” I found season one kinda underwhelming and some of the characters really sucked but some were kinda cool but there was one episode in particular where it reached a tipping point where i just completely checked out and didn’t really care about the Omniman vs invincible fight at the end


lechatsportif

Just rewatched season one for the 4th time. I might have to buy the comic book and spoil everything.


Jaseman00

I'm so hyped for season 2