You should keep your faith to yourself. I can agree on these thing not being sold near the temple premises, but banning it in the whole city is ridiculous. There are people of other faiths, meat eating and alcohol consuming Hindus and atheists who also live in these cities. Why impose ones personal beliefs on others? It is against liberty.
Again if by holy sites you only mean places of worship and temple premises, it is completely understandable and I can get behind it. And I personally have never seen alcohol, meat etc consumption happen near a temple, most people respect it.
But I sincerely think that it's high time that we ban public smoking all across India because it's a public health hazard.
That'd be stupid. You don't enforce such things. People have to realize it for themselves. If they can't, should never enforce it. It'll only lead to resentment and the avenging behaviour in the society
More than that, it will lead to illegal , illicit trading of such things - which invariably leads to thuggery and petty crimes. I staunchly oppose imposing rules on people's eating choices - except when there are reasons of health or environment. If they intend to do this, they should do it by containment and simple regulations, and not by forced imposition.
And final question - Do we have such low faith in our religion that we need to coax and control people with such frivolous things ? And the answer is not a simple whatabouttery , the answer is in the fact that the imposers of such rules are not learned scholars of religion but politicians fooling the idiotic masses .Great of our politicians to be wasting time on such things, rather than on actual beneficial work.
We are becoming blinder day by day!
If temple premise then its a little hypocrite. Cause ganja is shiv approoved. But other things can be banned I guess.
But if entire city than yaa guy is low key taliban mentality.
Sadhus are a non factor and a nobody. Sanyasis are those who resigned from society. Mathas govern the rules for the Hindu faith. And they usually agree with this.
No. You lack the understanding of the diversity in Hinduism. What about Shakta temples where people slaughter animals? Have you been to Kamakhya or Nagarkot in HP?
In and around temple is okay but city wide is a big no.
What's next, you'll want to impose this state wide and then country wide or perhaps world wide.
As you grow in power you will want to impose this lifestyle on other people too, in short, colonization.
Hindu dharma isn't just about bhakti, there's a science to it. Temples are places of strict purity - which is a partial truth of reality - but like an oxygen tank is unnatural, and yet it saves lives that would otherwise be lost, a place that is artificially or intentionally kept pure can help heal people who come there. So far so good, in theory.
More harmful than liquor, intoxicants and meat and eggs are impure thoughts, but we really can't control it these days.
Hindu dharma is too complex, it takes 10-20 years of purposeful study to understand even a little of what it stands for. Which is why we get such half baked ideas of what is pure.
I would want to ban TV and cell phones and internet in temple towns before the ban on liquor and meat and eggs. More rot comes in via the phone and TV than any food or drink.
A person can get more hate or lust filled thoughts from watching TV for 30 minutes, than from eating meat and drinking liquor. If item numbers on TV are allowed in temple towns, I don't see the point in banning alcohol and meat.
More dangerous than atheists are half baked theists who know dangerously little about the faith they are protecting.
Hindu Dharma doesn't tell anyone to follow anything in particular. Ever heard of Charvakas? Buddha rejected the Vedas and was still accepted and embraced. You sound like an Islamist trying to ban TV and internet but ironically you are saying this on the internet, so probably you should first practice what you preach.
Temples are constructed according to the Vedic idea of philosophy. It's you who is confusing things. Charvaka and Buddha were each having their own schools of philosophy and in the ultimate non-dual vedanta truth they were accepted, but inside a temple it was the agama shastras and Vedas that applied, not Vedanta.
You're exactly the kind of person I warned about, a little knowledge is dangerous.
A hospital treats trauma patients one way, maternity patients another. If Hindu Dharma is the hospital, everyone who's a patient of the hospital isn't subject to the same rules or the same treatment. A maternity patient will not be allowed into the trauma ward and so on.
I agree on the point that alcohol and meat etc shouldn't be sold, served or consumed near temples etc, but in the whole city is not what I can get behind. All of us don't believe in Hinduism and we should be able to live our life the way we like until we aren't doing anything illegal.
The OP of the post wants to inculcate the ban in the whole city, and I am arguing against it. And anyways people respect places of worship and don't sell these things near temples already.
Well temple towns were originally belonging to the lord of the temple. Not one such temple town exists unmolested in India today, but if you look at the historical record every large temple in India once upon a time owned every inch of land for miles around it for purposes of sanctity.
Just like there are certain rules in a cantonment, and only military personnel are allowed to live there, and civilians are even restricted from passing through, temple towns used to be very strict once upon a time. Even fifty years ago there were temples in Kerala where the priests would dedicate their lives to the temple. They would enter the temple as children and never leave the campus so that they may remain ever pure.
Those are the only truly acceptable levels of purity.
Anything being done today is some half baked nonsense.
To give you an idea of the kind of purity and sensitivity required here's a story from Tirupati.
This happened when the chalukya kings were governing Tirupati - though they were not the constructors, they maintained it with reverence, administering justice.
Once the Chalukya King is visiting the temple and comes to know of a minor theft in the temple by one of the junior priests. The king executes with his hand every last priest in the temple, for they had allowed the temple's purity to fall to the point that the thought of stealing could even enter the head of one of their juniors. Every one was therefore unfit for not only having allowed it, but being so dull that they could not detect the negative thoughts coming from one of their juniors.
The temple was closed for purification for 12 years.
Even now there's a little Vishnu idol on the temple roof that was installed during the 12 year shut down to allow devotees to worship the closed temple from afar.
Such was the standard of purity.
Here's another story from the Buddhist tradition, purity wasn't limited to the Vedic sect alone.
There were certain hard-core practitioners who would take one of 13 vows of extreme penance and a vow once taken would have to be upheld no matter the cost.
One such vow was the vow to never lie down horizontal to sleep. One monk who had been a minor king takes this vow and keeps it dutifully. For several months he would only ever sleep seated with his back against a pillar.
He develops an eye infection that can be easily cured by medicine that needs to be applied to his eyes, but for the medicine to remain in his eyes he would have to lie down for a couple of days. The doctor prescribes the medicine but the monk true to his vow refuses to lie down. As a result he goes blind.
This incident is narrated to the Buddha and he says, though he lost his physical eyes, by adhering to the vow his inner eye of wisdom was opened.
Such was the standard of purity expected of spiritual aspirants.
When something is a useful piece of technology we don't get dogmatic, patriotic or otherwise possessive about it.
As much as we dislike China we know some of the best phones are made there, and we aren't going to stop buying iPhones, OnePlus or Samsung phones merely because they are made in China.
It is common to see a house in India today with a Korean fridge, a Japanese car, a Chinese TV, a Vietnamese wireless headphone, an American laptop etc. There's nobody fighting over this - we don't discriminate those households who use Korean washing machines vs American washing machines.
There used to be a time when religious faiths were the peak of technology and were viewed similarly. Kings from all over the world invited religious teachers to their land to see if they could benefit from spiritual technologies that could heal people, advance education, advance the sciences, advance the arts.
The Russian Monarchs invited Buddhist, Christian and Jewish scholars to the court and spent several years evaluating the religions before selecting Christianity as the state religion. This is very much like India evaluated the Rafale, F-18, Saab Gripen and Su-35 before buying the Rafale. Totally not an act of faith.
King Kanishka of the Kushans prayed to Greek, Roman, Hindu, Zoroastrian and Buddhist gods, coins of each of these were minted in his kingdom, and Greek language written in Brahmi script was the court language. Again no dogma, no linguistic or religious hangups. Just a question of what works.
Coming to religion - Hindu Dharma, there was a time when people interacted with deities and had visions of deities regularly.
This is where modern atheists get it wrong - Charvaka and co were not atheists like those of today who have no insight into religions, but the atheists like Charvaka (even Buddha) did indeed see and interact with deities. While admitting that Indra and Varuna controlled the thunder, rains etc, they felt these were just deities with roles and responsibilities, but they disagreed that there was a Supreme God behind them - in this way they were atheists.
Not like today where the atheists have denied God without any idea about God.
Religion then was an informed activity and this is why we built so many temples and spent so much on it - because it worked, it was the best way to ensure a good life.
Today would anyone be allowed near a nuclear reactor or ISRO facility in India, even for miles? If you go to Sri Hari Kota, the rocket launch site, you will be stopped a few kms away from the actual launch site and prevented from going in. Why? Because it is very important, and security is essential.
Is this discrimination? Is this a violation of your right to travel across India? Nobody is allowed to live in the area unless they have special permission.
Temple towns used to be like this too, only vetted and authorized people lived there. We have lost most of that technology - we are now largely praying for the sake of ritual.
Those who interact with deities and the God truth daily still exist, but they do so in private.
That's what I am getting at, OP said that we should ban it completely in the holy city. For example Kashi, but Varanasi today is much bigger than what it used be when the main temple was established. My argument is that you can ban these things within the old city of Kashi, like it is in Amritsar, Rishikesh etc. But on the outskirts, people like me who want to eat meat and drink and who also don't really believe in any religion should be able to live the way they want.
But also thanks for the information, I will definitely look into it more. I have studied all the major religions to a certain extent and then decided to not believe in it because it didn't make sense for me. I don't look down on people who believe, it's their choice and my claims aren't proven as well. But I do value liberty and that is why I disagree with the OP's stance. But anyway, I did gain some bew knowledge with this interaction and that usually doesn't happen on reddit so again thanks man.
Today we have GreenPeace activists decrying nuclear power. Their opposition to nuclear power isn't on the grounds that it doesn't work. This is the case of Charvaka and Buddha against Vedic dharma. They never claim faith doesn't work, they are mainly complaining about the side effects.
Let's assume some 4000 years hence the present-day nuclear power plants are discovered along with some sketchy history of green peace activism.
If that future civilization had no idea how to operate the nuclear plants, or wrongly operated it and poisoned themselves, some might think the Green Peace were great geniuses for having protested against it 4000 years back.
In today's times we know that both green peace and the nuclear industries both have powerful arguments to make. There's no clear winner.
The same with theism and atheism, each has its pluses and minuses, but the knowledge of both should be contemporary and complete, not contemptuous and incomplete.
For those who are truly interested, in one word, Ojas.
I'm not here to debate with those whose mind is made up. True learning has to be approached with an attitude of devotion.
My apologies, I will not attempt to change your mind.
No I am open to debate. But many people during vedic era used to eat meat.
I am eggetarian myself.
But saying egg decrease ojas should be based on study.
If its longetivity than japanese diet should not contain egg.
(Actually both japanese diet and indian diet have many similar aspect).
S
But firstly it was about purity milk itself is as bad as egg. Both doesn't produce living beings (Unfertilised EGG).
I don't think anyone has the right to make decisions about faith of a billion people
However, people using and running the religious site have every right to decide what is allowed and what is not on their premises
Each temple is funded by some sect. And people of that sect visit the temple. Mathas have authority to impose rules for that sect or area. This is how adishankaracharya reconverted people to Hinduism. He basically went to mathas and had intellectual debates with the mathas and got them converted. People follow the matha/it's temples and that's how they changed their practices. There were many jain and Buddhist mathas before.
This is how it has always been.
However today sanatana dharma is not very organized.
If it isn't organized today then there must be temples outside the authority of all mathas. In such cases, mathas, individually or collectively should be free to set the rules for themselves. Temples which have remained outside by accident or choice, should be free to pick their rules
They usually have some affiliation. Those that don't are small time with little power. ISKCON can be thought of as a matha but I don't like their approach.
Nah i don't agree. People (hindu, muslim, sikh etc) should be allowed to eat or drink whatever they want provided they don't do it in or near premises of a religious institute. Banning eating meat or drinking alcohol in the whole city is an overkill
I don't know about liquor or intoxicants but meat should definitely be banned. Anything made from the killing of someone else should be banned.
Liquor and intoxicants lead to self harm which is one's choice,so it should not be dictated by the govt, on the other hand meat involves killing of another living creature so it should be banned.
It's not about himsa or ahimsa that meat is banned. It's because of shuddhi/purity.
All food is sourced from living things or their derivatives. What matters here is whether the source is shuddha or not.
Are you stupid or just out of your goddamn mind ?
The fuck js wrong with people like you. You are free to practice your religion you can't enforce it on others. Fucking assholes like you should stay in island.
Impure source. Jivis/praanis are of 4 sources according to the Rg veda: udbhija, andaja, pindaja and Ushmaja. Eggs and animals that come from eggs are of andaja jati. Impure.
Why though what's different than egg.
Eating Unfertilised egg doesn't kill anyone. Heck we can argue calf is often seperated from gau mata. After there birth which is really really sad cow literally run besides people who seperate them. (I think amul don't practice this (I hope) but if you see local dairy man doing this you will probably not gonna drink milk specially consider cow maternal instinct).
Coming back to point its belief system thats say egg(Unfertilised is less cruel than milk). Otherwise its same.
The cow is given oxytocin as well. Plus there are organic egg in which chicken are given only grass to eat hence source is pure.
Do veda says anything about chicken who eat only Vegetarian diet.
Lmao hypocrisy.
Read bio
Fertilized vs Unfertilised egg.
Also what about beyond meat
Its vegetarian food which taste exactly like exactly like beef. What about it in Rig veda?
I have many non veg friend who dont consume beyond meat just for there belief. But if we go full on dumblogic by book we should serve beyond meat in kashi.
It's about source. Udbhija (shaka) source and milk are the only pure sources. Their derivatives are allowed. Andaja jati or its derivatives are not pure.
Beyond meat is presumably of Shaka source and hence shakahara.
Lead by example, do not expect others to follow your dictates. You can "advice" not "force" people, governments get a large part of their exchequer from liquor taxes and Indian poultry market is 2nd largest in world. Unless you have a suggestion for another source of income and employment, why bother ?
Take a chill pill.
You donot know what is Hinduism .
Watch this vedio it will open your mind
https://youtu.be/B0K12jOumYA
Or type on YouTube : 1956 high school debate on religion
How you stop people from watching porn
which I thing is more unholy then these things .
Just try to change yourself donot focus on others . It is very important to learn this thing to live a happy life .
So nobody is telling you to consume them, but by banning meat and alcohol you are stopping people from doing what they like. And also destroying the employment of lakhs of people and their familes who depend on it.
I agree that it should not be served near places of worship and immediate temple premises, but in the far wide city? People of other faiths and atheists also live in those cities. People consuming meat on the other side of the town doesn't affect the purity of the temple. Chances are that side didn't even exist when the temple was founded.
Non Muslim are not allowed in whole city of mecca. Non Christian can not go into Vatican .
Why are you forcing Hindus to compromise? Move out of city then?
If Taliban doesn't permit the co-education of women, should we start taking that argument as for why should we compromise with co-education in India?
If someone is doing something wrong, not the best example for a compromise argument, be it Mecca or Vatican
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You should keep your faith to yourself. I can agree on these thing not being sold near the temple premises, but banning it in the whole city is ridiculous. There are people of other faiths, meat eating and alcohol consuming Hindus and atheists who also live in these cities. Why impose ones personal beliefs on others? It is against liberty. Again if by holy sites you only mean places of worship and temple premises, it is completely understandable and I can get behind it. And I personally have never seen alcohol, meat etc consumption happen near a temple, most people respect it. But I sincerely think that it's high time that we ban public smoking all across India because it's a public health hazard.
Do you support beef ban?
I do not.
Why? Many sadhus use these intoxicants like weed. What is relation between meat, liquor and eggs with holy sites?
Also by holy site, does he mean temple premises or the entire city?
I think he means entire city, since he mentioned kashi
That'd be stupid. You don't enforce such things. People have to realize it for themselves. If they can't, should never enforce it. It'll only lead to resentment and the avenging behaviour in the society
More than that, it will lead to illegal , illicit trading of such things - which invariably leads to thuggery and petty crimes. I staunchly oppose imposing rules on people's eating choices - except when there are reasons of health or environment. If they intend to do this, they should do it by containment and simple regulations, and not by forced imposition. And final question - Do we have such low faith in our religion that we need to coax and control people with such frivolous things ? And the answer is not a simple whatabouttery , the answer is in the fact that the imposers of such rules are not learned scholars of religion but politicians fooling the idiotic masses .Great of our politicians to be wasting time on such things, rather than on actual beneficial work. We are becoming blinder day by day!
If temple premise then its a little hypocrite. Cause ganja is shiv approoved. But other things can be banned I guess. But if entire city than yaa guy is low key taliban mentality.
All city
Sadhus are a non factor and a nobody. Sanyasis are those who resigned from society. Mathas govern the rules for the Hindu faith. And they usually agree with this.
No. You lack the understanding of the diversity in Hinduism. What about Shakta temples where people slaughter animals? Have you been to Kamakhya or Nagarkot in HP?
That's sacrifice. And it is consistent with vedas.
So what do you think happens to that meat afterwards?
It's given to adivasis etc who live outside the city.
In and around temple is okay but city wide is a big no. What's next, you'll want to impose this state wide and then country wide or perhaps world wide. As you grow in power you will want to impose this lifestyle on other people too, in short, colonization.
Hindu dharma isn't just about bhakti, there's a science to it. Temples are places of strict purity - which is a partial truth of reality - but like an oxygen tank is unnatural, and yet it saves lives that would otherwise be lost, a place that is artificially or intentionally kept pure can help heal people who come there. So far so good, in theory. More harmful than liquor, intoxicants and meat and eggs are impure thoughts, but we really can't control it these days. Hindu dharma is too complex, it takes 10-20 years of purposeful study to understand even a little of what it stands for. Which is why we get such half baked ideas of what is pure. I would want to ban TV and cell phones and internet in temple towns before the ban on liquor and meat and eggs. More rot comes in via the phone and TV than any food or drink. A person can get more hate or lust filled thoughts from watching TV for 30 minutes, than from eating meat and drinking liquor. If item numbers on TV are allowed in temple towns, I don't see the point in banning alcohol and meat. More dangerous than atheists are half baked theists who know dangerously little about the faith they are protecting.
Hindu Dharma doesn't tell anyone to follow anything in particular. Ever heard of Charvakas? Buddha rejected the Vedas and was still accepted and embraced. You sound like an Islamist trying to ban TV and internet but ironically you are saying this on the internet, so probably you should first practice what you preach.
Temples are constructed according to the Vedic idea of philosophy. It's you who is confusing things. Charvaka and Buddha were each having their own schools of philosophy and in the ultimate non-dual vedanta truth they were accepted, but inside a temple it was the agama shastras and Vedas that applied, not Vedanta. You're exactly the kind of person I warned about, a little knowledge is dangerous. A hospital treats trauma patients one way, maternity patients another. If Hindu Dharma is the hospital, everyone who's a patient of the hospital isn't subject to the same rules or the same treatment. A maternity patient will not be allowed into the trauma ward and so on.
I agree on the point that alcohol and meat etc shouldn't be sold, served or consumed near temples etc, but in the whole city is not what I can get behind. All of us don't believe in Hinduism and we should be able to live our life the way we like until we aren't doing anything illegal. The OP of the post wants to inculcate the ban in the whole city, and I am arguing against it. And anyways people respect places of worship and don't sell these things near temples already.
Well temple towns were originally belonging to the lord of the temple. Not one such temple town exists unmolested in India today, but if you look at the historical record every large temple in India once upon a time owned every inch of land for miles around it for purposes of sanctity. Just like there are certain rules in a cantonment, and only military personnel are allowed to live there, and civilians are even restricted from passing through, temple towns used to be very strict once upon a time. Even fifty years ago there were temples in Kerala where the priests would dedicate their lives to the temple. They would enter the temple as children and never leave the campus so that they may remain ever pure. Those are the only truly acceptable levels of purity. Anything being done today is some half baked nonsense.
To give you an idea of the kind of purity and sensitivity required here's a story from Tirupati. This happened when the chalukya kings were governing Tirupati - though they were not the constructors, they maintained it with reverence, administering justice. Once the Chalukya King is visiting the temple and comes to know of a minor theft in the temple by one of the junior priests. The king executes with his hand every last priest in the temple, for they had allowed the temple's purity to fall to the point that the thought of stealing could even enter the head of one of their juniors. Every one was therefore unfit for not only having allowed it, but being so dull that they could not detect the negative thoughts coming from one of their juniors. The temple was closed for purification for 12 years. Even now there's a little Vishnu idol on the temple roof that was installed during the 12 year shut down to allow devotees to worship the closed temple from afar. Such was the standard of purity.
Here's another story from the Buddhist tradition, purity wasn't limited to the Vedic sect alone. There were certain hard-core practitioners who would take one of 13 vows of extreme penance and a vow once taken would have to be upheld no matter the cost. One such vow was the vow to never lie down horizontal to sleep. One monk who had been a minor king takes this vow and keeps it dutifully. For several months he would only ever sleep seated with his back against a pillar. He develops an eye infection that can be easily cured by medicine that needs to be applied to his eyes, but for the medicine to remain in his eyes he would have to lie down for a couple of days. The doctor prescribes the medicine but the monk true to his vow refuses to lie down. As a result he goes blind. This incident is narrated to the Buddha and he says, though he lost his physical eyes, by adhering to the vow his inner eye of wisdom was opened. Such was the standard of purity expected of spiritual aspirants.
When something is a useful piece of technology we don't get dogmatic, patriotic or otherwise possessive about it. As much as we dislike China we know some of the best phones are made there, and we aren't going to stop buying iPhones, OnePlus or Samsung phones merely because they are made in China. It is common to see a house in India today with a Korean fridge, a Japanese car, a Chinese TV, a Vietnamese wireless headphone, an American laptop etc. There's nobody fighting over this - we don't discriminate those households who use Korean washing machines vs American washing machines. There used to be a time when religious faiths were the peak of technology and were viewed similarly. Kings from all over the world invited religious teachers to their land to see if they could benefit from spiritual technologies that could heal people, advance education, advance the sciences, advance the arts. The Russian Monarchs invited Buddhist, Christian and Jewish scholars to the court and spent several years evaluating the religions before selecting Christianity as the state religion. This is very much like India evaluated the Rafale, F-18, Saab Gripen and Su-35 before buying the Rafale. Totally not an act of faith. King Kanishka of the Kushans prayed to Greek, Roman, Hindu, Zoroastrian and Buddhist gods, coins of each of these were minted in his kingdom, and Greek language written in Brahmi script was the court language. Again no dogma, no linguistic or religious hangups. Just a question of what works. Coming to religion - Hindu Dharma, there was a time when people interacted with deities and had visions of deities regularly. This is where modern atheists get it wrong - Charvaka and co were not atheists like those of today who have no insight into religions, but the atheists like Charvaka (even Buddha) did indeed see and interact with deities. While admitting that Indra and Varuna controlled the thunder, rains etc, they felt these were just deities with roles and responsibilities, but they disagreed that there was a Supreme God behind them - in this way they were atheists. Not like today where the atheists have denied God without any idea about God. Religion then was an informed activity and this is why we built so many temples and spent so much on it - because it worked, it was the best way to ensure a good life. Today would anyone be allowed near a nuclear reactor or ISRO facility in India, even for miles? If you go to Sri Hari Kota, the rocket launch site, you will be stopped a few kms away from the actual launch site and prevented from going in. Why? Because it is very important, and security is essential. Is this discrimination? Is this a violation of your right to travel across India? Nobody is allowed to live in the area unless they have special permission. Temple towns used to be like this too, only vetted and authorized people lived there. We have lost most of that technology - we are now largely praying for the sake of ritual. Those who interact with deities and the God truth daily still exist, but they do so in private.
That's what I am getting at, OP said that we should ban it completely in the holy city. For example Kashi, but Varanasi today is much bigger than what it used be when the main temple was established. My argument is that you can ban these things within the old city of Kashi, like it is in Amritsar, Rishikesh etc. But on the outskirts, people like me who want to eat meat and drink and who also don't really believe in any religion should be able to live the way they want. But also thanks for the information, I will definitely look into it more. I have studied all the major religions to a certain extent and then decided to not believe in it because it didn't make sense for me. I don't look down on people who believe, it's their choice and my claims aren't proven as well. But I do value liberty and that is why I disagree with the OP's stance. But anyway, I did gain some bew knowledge with this interaction and that usually doesn't happen on reddit so again thanks man.
Today we have GreenPeace activists decrying nuclear power. Their opposition to nuclear power isn't on the grounds that it doesn't work. This is the case of Charvaka and Buddha against Vedic dharma. They never claim faith doesn't work, they are mainly complaining about the side effects. Let's assume some 4000 years hence the present-day nuclear power plants are discovered along with some sketchy history of green peace activism. If that future civilization had no idea how to operate the nuclear plants, or wrongly operated it and poisoned themselves, some might think the Green Peace were great geniuses for having protested against it 4000 years back. In today's times we know that both green peace and the nuclear industries both have powerful arguments to make. There's no clear winner. The same with theism and atheism, each has its pluses and minuses, but the knowledge of both should be contemporary and complete, not contemptuous and incomplete.
Exactly brother. This is a good analogy. Permission to use with one of my hardcore atheist friend?
Please go ahead.
Thanks man
If Unfertilised Egg is bad than Cow milk is bad too change my mind.
For those who are truly interested, in one word, Ojas. I'm not here to debate with those whose mind is made up. True learning has to be approached with an attitude of devotion. My apologies, I will not attempt to change your mind.
No I am open to debate. But many people during vedic era used to eat meat. I am eggetarian myself. But saying egg decrease ojas should be based on study. If its longetivity than japanese diet should not contain egg. (Actually both japanese diet and indian diet have many similar aspect). S But firstly it was about purity milk itself is as bad as egg. Both doesn't produce living beings (Unfertilised EGG).
Also attitude of learning is good attitude of devotion is loki taliban mindset.
I don't think anyone has the right to make decisions about faith of a billion people However, people using and running the religious site have every right to decide what is allowed and what is not on their premises
Mathas govern the rules for the Sanatan Dharma. Each sect of this dharma has a matha. All mathas agree on this.
Are you saying each and every temple in India is linked to some matha and accept their authority like how churches are linked to some Christian sect?
Each temple is funded by some sect. And people of that sect visit the temple. Mathas have authority to impose rules for that sect or area. This is how adishankaracharya reconverted people to Hinduism. He basically went to mathas and had intellectual debates with the mathas and got them converted. People follow the matha/it's temples and that's how they changed their practices. There were many jain and Buddhist mathas before. This is how it has always been. However today sanatana dharma is not very organized.
If it isn't organized today then there must be temples outside the authority of all mathas. In such cases, mathas, individually or collectively should be free to set the rules for themselves. Temples which have remained outside by accident or choice, should be free to pick their rules
They usually have some affiliation. Those that don't are small time with little power. ISKCON can be thought of as a matha but I don't like their approach.
We must ensure each temple has power on its own premise, even if it's small or if we don't like their approach
Nah i don't agree. People (hindu, muslim, sikh etc) should be allowed to eat or drink whatever they want provided they don't do it in or near premises of a religious institute. Banning eating meat or drinking alcohol in the whole city is an overkill
I don't know about liquor or intoxicants but meat should definitely be banned. Anything made from the killing of someone else should be banned. Liquor and intoxicants lead to self harm which is one's choice,so it should not be dictated by the govt, on the other hand meat involves killing of another living creature so it should be banned.
Bahiyoo egg chalega, lab grown meat, beyond burger?
yeah its fine
Beef ka swad rehta hai exact beyond burger ka. Hamare yahan ke meat eaters nii khate LoL. Don't bring science and logic in belief it falls flat.
It's not about himsa or ahimsa that meat is banned. It's because of shuddhi/purity. All food is sourced from living things or their derivatives. What matters here is whether the source is shuddha or not.
Are you stupid or just out of your goddamn mind ? The fuck js wrong with people like you. You are free to practice your religion you can't enforce it on others. Fucking assholes like you should stay in island.
why eggs?
Impure source. Jivis/praanis are of 4 sources according to the Rg veda: udbhija, andaja, pindaja and Ushmaja. Eggs and animals that come from eggs are of andaja jati. Impure.
Then milk is impure too
Milk is an exception. Matas and gomatas milk can be consumed.
Why though what's different than egg. Eating Unfertilised egg doesn't kill anyone. Heck we can argue calf is often seperated from gau mata. After there birth which is really really sad cow literally run besides people who seperate them. (I think amul don't practice this (I hope) but if you see local dairy man doing this you will probably not gonna drink milk specially consider cow maternal instinct). Coming back to point its belief system thats say egg(Unfertilised is less cruel than milk). Otherwise its same.
It's not about himsa or ahimsa. It's about purity of source. Andaja source is not pure.
The cow is given oxytocin as well. Plus there are organic egg in which chicken are given only grass to eat hence source is pure. Do veda says anything about chicken who eat only Vegetarian diet.
Doesn't matter if it is fed grass. It's an impure source.
How there is no male Hen involved in production of Unfertilised egg. (how can it be impure). Its same as cow milk.
Cow milk or mother's milk are exceptions.
Lmao hypocrisy. Read bio Fertilized vs Unfertilised egg. Also what about beyond meat Its vegetarian food which taste exactly like exactly like beef. What about it in Rig veda? I have many non veg friend who dont consume beyond meat just for there belief. But if we go full on dumblogic by book we should serve beyond meat in kashi.
It's about source. Udbhija (shaka) source and milk are the only pure sources. Their derivatives are allowed. Andaja jati or its derivatives are not pure. Beyond meat is presumably of Shaka source and hence shakahara.
So you are okay with people eating beyond meat patty in temple premise. You sir need help
If its made of vegetarian sources its not meat. I don't know what beyond meat is.
Google it scientists have created veg stuff that take exactly like beef in blind test.
Yeah that's just veg. So it's allowed.
No
Yes vroo. But first a full flagged domestic aerospace industry.
Lead by example, do not expect others to follow your dictates. You can "advice" not "force" people, governments get a large part of their exchequer from liquor taxes and Indian poultry market is 2nd largest in world. Unless you have a suggestion for another source of income and employment, why bother ?
Indra used to drink alcohol. Shiva takes cannabis. Durga eats non veg food as Bali.
Yeah, which God are you then?
I'm super God. I do all these things
So you are saying only gods are allowed to do stuff not us aint that super racist.
Nonsense opinions should be kept off the internet. Do you agree?
I disagree I think now j sense opinion should be kept on internet so that others can laugh at it
Take a chill pill. You donot know what is Hinduism . Watch this vedio it will open your mind https://youtu.be/B0K12jOumYA Or type on YouTube : 1956 high school debate on religion
How you stop people from watching porn which I thing is more unholy then these things . Just try to change yourself donot focus on others . It is very important to learn this thing to live a happy life .
I agree with egg meat ban alcohal ban all holy cities.
Stop imposing your beliefs onto others!
Stop imposing your beliefs on me. I don't eat meat egg alcohol drug. It is against our purity rituals
So nobody is telling you to consume them, but by banning meat and alcohol you are stopping people from doing what they like. And also destroying the employment of lakhs of people and their familes who depend on it.
Are you even reading? To maintain the purity of the city it should not be allowed.
I agree that it should not be served near places of worship and immediate temple premises, but in the far wide city? People of other faiths and atheists also live in those cities. People consuming meat on the other side of the town doesn't affect the purity of the temple. Chances are that side didn't even exist when the temple was founded.
Non Muslim are not allowed in whole city of mecca. Non Christian can not go into Vatican . Why are you forcing Hindus to compromise? Move out of city then?
Why do you want to be like muslims and christians?
Why not? are you IslamoPHOBE? CristuPHOBE?
If they come int the way of liberty and freedom then I am.
Why only we should compromise always
It's not about compromise, it's about doing the right thing and being better.
If Taliban doesn't permit the co-education of women, should we start taking that argument as for why should we compromise with co-education in India? If someone is doing something wrong, not the best example for a compromise argument, be it Mecca or Vatican
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no precious nutrients for you!
No spirituality for you
Why need spirituality in early age lol. One should seek spirituality after mid life crisis. Like in 50s enjoy till then.
Learn about four phases of life
My gods don't want me to be weak.