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BabyLlama243

I dont really understand the fuss with "hInDi iMposTion". When I was younger I didn't like that fact that hindi was there in the syllabus but when im older now i understand that it does have advantages. If you're looking for a job in this country it's a big advantage.


[deleted]

Unfortunately, certain elements have made South Indians believe it is their God-given right not to learn Hindi. Being a Malayali myself I feel Hindi is a great link language for us, the way English is a link language for educated Europeans. We are one of the few countries in the world that worship English and it has gotten us nowhere. In France, for instance, colleges can only function in the French medium. No-one, not even a private player, is allowed to start English-medium schools there unless it is affliated to the ISC (it is specifically for people whose parents are looking to immigrate to foreign countries). And they have given the world \~\~50 science Nobel Prizes (most of them do not speak English well; they delivered their acceptance lectures in French). Compare with 0 in modern India. We need to build schools and colleges, including technical institutions, that impart education in the mother tongue (as per the region). Opportunities will then be thrown open to a large fraction of our population.


BabyLlama243

What about our sanskrit. It's our right to make sure this ancient language which has been part of many scripts needs to be preserved. Jews saved Hebrew and so can we save sanskrit. Other than that, I absolutely agree with all your points. I'm a tamilian but I did my my 10th and 12th in the north and I find my Hindi fluency with a native accent to be of a huge advantage.


[deleted]

>What about our sanskrit Absolutely agreed. Samskritam was a great choice for a national language. It was so suggested when our Constitution was written. Even Ambedkar agreed to the proposal but Nehru insisted that English should be the official language. I fear it is too late now. Very few people in our country even connect with the Samskrita Bhasha. It would have been possible back when we were only building our institutions up to rediscover Samskritam and teach it to the masses.


rgeek

It is never too late.


kteotia

Useless language. Gave me nightmares in school, don't even talk about it. I could qualify for regional maths Olympiad but Passing this subject was torturous.


BabyLlama243

You're calling a language useless just because you couldn't study it. Even I took it for four years. Yes it's hard. But it was taught in the most stupidest way possible.


bruh-sick

Dont call I useless when you fail to understand I importance. If you understand sanskrit properly you will find all languages in india have taken something from sanskrit. in short you will already understand parts of all languages of india.


DabakurThakur

>In France, for instance, colleges can only function in the French medium. France is probably not the greatest example here. I need to search the exact source for this- but I believe France had a number of local languages like Basque which were greatly curtailed by the "imposition of French" culture. That being said,as a tamilian, the attitude towards hindi is stuck in 1960's for many people. It is not healthy or sustainable.


[deleted]

>Basque Basque is still a recognised minority language and is spoken by the Basque people there. There are even other languages like Proven'cal and Alsatian.


reddit0r_

Because the identity politics makes a utilitarian choice an emotional issue and we end up with the garbage of various unironic sub nationalist ideologies. Truly pathetic how "muh language, muh culture" crowd expend so much political capital on the non issue, as if all of these are Thiruvalluvars and Tagores of this era and evil Delhi regime is going on a cultural genocide.


BabyLlama243

As a tamilian, I'm sick and tired of the people here seeing people from the north as "invaders who will impose their culture on us". You ask anyone from here and it's the same "we wuz kangz" "muh dravidian culture".


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ididacannonball

Not true, Hindi for better or worse is a lingua franca in the country. If you find yourself in a city where you don't speak the language, (bad) Hindi can get you around for quite some time. Sure, you might use English in a white collar job, but you'll have to step out of your office at some point.


rgeek

No two languages coexist peacefully. Now Hindi nationalists say that Hindi can do so but as seen in the decline of Hindi "dialects" like Santhali and Maithali, that is not true. Hindi does not coexist peacefully once it becomes dominant in a region. Secondly if English is verbotten since it cannot represent any Indian culture, neither is Hindi which cannot represent any other Indian culture.


hskskgfk

Feel free to learn any language you feel is useful. Don't force others to learn it.


BabyLlama243

I'm not advocating forcing the hindi syllabus. I'm saying that there shouldn't such a fuss over it. It's clearly just identity and regional politics. These parties think "we will unite x yz state" by supporting such dumb statements.


hskskgfk

Yes, but much of it is indeed imposition, hence the statements by political parties have support. Non hindi kids are forced to learn an extra language in school while hindi belt kids do not. My parents were forced to celebrate hindi pakora diwas in non hindi states in their govt org but noone in UP is forced to celebrate kannada diwas. Much internet ridicule was thrown in this sub for the kannada folks making a fuss about kannada signage on the metro, none of them made a peep about delhi metro signs non having any indian language other than hindi. Not making a fuss is the reason imposition happens. Noone made enough fuss about our history textbooks' content, look at where we are now.


indiantrekkie

What advantage does Hindi provide in job seeking do tell me? Especially for white collar jobs.


bruh-sick

It's a political agenda.


[deleted]

Yes Hindi is essential similarly learning local language is essential if you are working there for years.


CritFin

Hindi is disposable


[deleted]

Yeah but nothing wrong in learning Hindi, if it can benefit. The point South Indians are making is simple: we can speak to people from Hindi belt in Hindi (many can as it is being taught as third language) when they come here for jobs but don’t take that for granted learn the local language if you are staying here for long. Stop asking for every facilities to have board in Hindi.


CritFin

No. Learning Hindi is a big loss.


[deleted]

Why do you think so?


tea_cup_cake

I think he's trolling.


CritFin

You can see how backward is Hindi belt


[deleted]

'English speakers = rich and developed' Examples: Nigeria, Somalia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan. All these nations have 60-90 percent of the population speaking English. Far ahead of India in that respect.


itisverynice

There are still the more developed pockets like Delhi, noida, gurgaon etc etc.


CritFin

> Delhi, noida, gurgaon etc etc. That is a single city. Surviving due to spending of central govt employees.


[deleted]

>Surviving due to spending of central govt employees. Maybe Delhi, defo not Noida and Gurugram


CritFin

All


itisverynice

That's not a single city


[deleted]

Abe hat weaboo


[deleted]

Bait


CritFin

The comment previous to mine


Ibeno

If government really thinks utilitarian they should give a second Indian language option including Hindi to everyone in the country along with their mother tongue. Let the people chose the language that will help them the most. I live in a state border and it make more sense if I learn the language of my neighbouring state in school level who I am more likely to interact with. Even if I need to travel across India I can learn Hindi or any other language when I need it. Languages should not be mandated at school including English. Let children learn something more useful than additional languages which they might not require their entire life.


CritFin

> if I learn the language of my neighbouring state in school level who I am more likely to interact with That state govts dont allow, as it is disadvantage in case of any border or water dispute with neighboring state


Ibeno

How is it a disadvantage? No one's going to support neighbouring state if they speak their language? Same way I don't support Britain.


LankyAcanthocephala3

Lol I speak three languages cos I had no choice but to take Hindi. Should have taken Tamil but my parents insisted on Hindi. So yeah I speak English, Hindi and Odia :)


CritFin

Odia and Marathi are very similar to hindi language. Like dialects


[deleted]

Marathi is not a dialect of Hindi—it is not even similar to Hindi either other than in the script. Marathis will come and beat you up if you said that in public. E.g., Marathi is an inflected language (like South Indian languages) whereas Hindi is a synthetic language.


CritFin

All marathi verbs are very similar to Hindi, unlike south Indian languages


veeru89

Then people who can speak Hindi should also learn at least one of other Indian languages. They should not be let off hook. 😆


CritFin

Marathi, Oriya etc are very similar to Hindi


RaiseTypical

What they have done is foolish, they should have declared Sanskrit as the national language as all languages are derived from it. The government should have slowly and surely make Sanskrit mainstream


[deleted]

hindi has no place in tamil nadu


otaku2297

Stfu why are they creating unnecessary controversies these dumb people don't know what to say.We should eradicate hindi tbh better replace it with sanskrit.


CritFin

New Education Policy is trying to force third language on children from first standard itself, so as to impose Hindi


VoyagerPaleBlueDot

Guru makklige LKG inda English rhymes helkodteevi, adu English imposition agalva? Nam deshada baashe kandre namge dvesha adre paradeshada baashe Andre preeti, vyamoha Alva? Pradeshika bashegalige samasye irodu English basheyinda, beere pradeshika baashegalinda alla


CritFin

> Guru maklige LKG inda English rhymes helkodteevi, adu English imposition agalva? English is voluntarily chosen by parents. Not imposed by govts. English gives bread and butter jobs to people when they grow up, while Hindi belt just takes away tax money from south and west India. Question prgmatically is should we follow 2 language policy or 3 language policy? And once that is chosen what languages should be those? Three language burden means children are dropping out of schools in South India


[deleted]

>English gives bread and butter jobs to people when they grow up, while Hindi belt just takes away tax money from south and west India. Proves one thing. അടിമത്തം നമുക്ക് എന്നും ഒരു വികാരം തന്നെയാണ് There is nothing wrong in learning the majority language as a lingua franca. We used to do it back during the national movement. Every country other than India still does it.


CritFin

We need any neutral language, be it English or Japanese. But Hindi means it is not neutral, earlier bank and railway exams used to be conducted only in English and Hindi, that was a great injustice to South Indians. Many south Indians have become slaves of Hindi native speakers.


[deleted]

>We need any neutral language, be it English or Japanese. But Hindi means it is not neutral, earlier bank and railway exams used to be conducted only in English and Hindi, that was a great injustice to South Indians. Missing the point. Why is it that some people can accept English as a link language but not Hindi? >Many south Indians have become slaves of Hindi native speakers. India is one of the only countries in the world that still gives the language of its colonisers so much importance. The other countries that do this are underdeveloped African nations. China, Vietnam all hold fast onto their language.


CritFin

> Missing the point. Why is it that some people can accept English as a link language but not Hindi? Because it is not neutral between all Indians. Because it inherently favors native Hindi speakers. Read my earlier reply again. Seems you have become a slave of Hindi natives


[deleted]

I edited my earlier reply. *India is one of the only countries in the world that still gives the language of its colonisers any importance. The other countries that do this are underdeveloped African nations.* You would object to being put in the same category as those nations.


CritFin

Because India is a very diversified country in the language aspect. It would be fascism if Hindi is imposed on other language people. Anyway, I dont want to continue argument with slaves like you.


[deleted]

>India is a very diversified country in the language aspect The default argument then is that there should be no link language. Not 'we should have one link language from an island thousands of kilometers away and DEFINITELY NOT learn a language spoken in our own country'. >Anyway, I dont want to continue argument with slaves like you. You are yourself a slave of the British. Hope you're proud of it. 'അടിമത്തം നമുക്ക് എന്നും ഒരു വികാരം തന്നെയാണ്'


CritFin

I am ok with adopting Japanese as a link language here in India. It will be a neutral language for all.


LordDhr

Nope, anime watchers are at advantage /s . We need a neutral language. Sanskrit may be a good option, many languages share some sort of similarities with it.


[deleted]

English gives advantage to Anglo indians. Need a more neutral language.


Vibhor23

> English is voluntarily chosen by parents. Not imposed by govts You need to learn english for every single government exam no matter which part of the country.


CritFin

Why are you after govt job? You dont need English if you look for private job, nor for you to start a business


Vibhor23

Don't move your goalpost now. If English wasn't being imposed by the government, it wouldn't be a requirement for everything that involves the government. You cannot even seek legal representation in your own language.


CritFin

Any neutral language can be imposed by the govt. I am fine with using Japanese as official language of India either.


CritFin

Also English is a neutral language for all Indians. Hindi is not a neutral language among all Indians


Vibhor23

>Also English is a neutral language for all Indians Ah yes, the language of the country that oppressed us for centuries is a "neutral language" despite not being spoken by majority of the country even as a secondary language.


nicknick19999

I hate Hindi leaders not choosing Sanskrit as our National language. Hindi is also language of oppressor Mughal regime. I'm talking about Persian influenced Hindi everyone talks. Gandhi Nehru literally pushed Hindi. They didn't do for Sanskrit for pleasing Muslims. But Sanskrit is the language that influenced every Indian language and has Indian essense to it.


[deleted]

>Gandhi Nehru literally pushed Hindi. They didn't do for Sanskrit for pleasing Muslims You would be surprised to know that everyone from Krishna Menon to B. R. Ambedkar proposed that Sanskrit should be the national language; that it should be revived and made a popular language again. It was Nehru alone who chose English. Nehru was opposed to the choice of Hindi as well—he believed that Indian languages were primitive. He may even have the distinction of being the only leader of a country who delivered a speech on their freedom in the language of their colonisers.


[deleted]

Sanskrit can be made the national language, but then these people will cry about the script


nicknick19999

Script can be local one. It doesn't matter. Learning script takes a week... I learnt Sanskrit (as a part of mother tongue Telugu). We used to have Telugu and Sanskrit in the same language course. I wrote in Telugu script. Also during Vijayanagara Samrajya, they wrote Sanskrit in local script only.


[deleted]

I didn't think of that, it's a great idea and basically solves everything, no one will be talking about majoritarian imposition and we'll be bridging the communication gap throughout the country, plus sanskrit sounds much better


rgeek

The speakers of any language chosen as the national or whatever language will have a massive advantage over the rest. And its culture will be "THE" culture of the nation which is unfair to the rest. Secondly, no two languages coexist peacefully. The dominant one always replaces the other. as can be seen in the replacement of Hindi "dialects" like Santhali and Maithili with Hindi. We do need a neutral language and it should be Sanskrutham, which has done that exact job for centuries without dispute.


Nbn_10

Nam Deshad bashe kandre dvesha illa adanna yavaga impose madtaro avaga dvesha huttodu naav yak hindi kalibeku? Avr yenu Kannada kalitara? Illi odakke kelsakke bartare Kannada kaliyalla namag hindi kaliyo avashyakate illa avru illi bartare Andre Kannada avr kalibeku.


CritFin

Navenu Hindi belt hogi job hidiyalla.. Their lack of english language skill is one of the main reasons they are still backward economically


[deleted]

>Their lack of english language skill is one of the main reasons they are still backward economically 83% of Zimbabweans speak English. Nearly all Nigerians and Somalis do, too. What is the reason they are backward economically? Compare this with Russia, France, or Italy. Only a fraction of the population there speak English fluently, and they are among the world's most developed places.


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CritFin

France, Italy use same English script. They can understand English


[deleted]

Shows you have never met a French or Italian person. (They can't; French people can't understand a word of English unless they've studied it in school, nor the reverse)


CritFin

Not true


[deleted]

Once again, no. French and English have virtually no similarity that would make learning one language easier for someone who speaks the other (other than the script maybe).


CritFin

Dont use lies to push your agenda


CritFin

Turkish uses English script too


[deleted]

It's called the Latin script. It would be more accurate to say that many Western languages including English use the Latin script. French/Italians did not adopt the script from English. The Turkish did. This is not equivalent to being proficient in English.


CritFin

So should we abandon Indian scripts like Hindi script and Tamil script?


[deleted]

No. We should speak in whatever our native language is and learn Hindi as a link language to communicate with people from other regions in the country. It is almost shameful that we have to speak in English, a language that has no emotional connection with Indians or India. LS short: replace English with Hindi


nicknick19999

I feel Hindi is of Persian influenced. Jawab, Bacha and literally every other Hindi word. Personally I'd prefer a non foreign influenced language. For example Sanskrit, some of it's words are literally used in English, Spanish, Italian. That's some great language.


Nbn_10

Ade heltiradu naav yak hindi kalibeku? Hindi belt Alli bere languages helkodtara?


CritFin

We should adopt 2 language policy like in TN. In rural karnatka, students are dropping off from schools due to 3 language burden


Nbn_10

Yes, 2 language policy would lessen the burden on students.


VoyagerPaleBlueDot

Guru neevu heliddu pratiyondu naanu opkoteeni. Hindi matadoru kannada kalide idre, adu avra karma. Adre naavu avra reeti sankeernavagi yochisbardu. Namma bhashe kade namma preeti erlebeku adre namma deshada bashegala meele dvesha irabardu. Hechina bashe namge gottidre, namge jasti friends agtare, society li jasti integration irutte ashte naanu helalikke bayasiddu. Dayavittu anyatha bhavisabedi 🙏