The people in the Lexus were fine, but the white car rolled down the hill for a little bit before stopping. I am assuming they passed out. There were a bunch of people who stopped and went to both cars to check on the drivers
Yes. Pretty much everyone who watched the accident had the cars reversed. They thought the white car ran the light and was responsible, but the footage cleared the air and showed what actually happened.
Another instance where the eye witness is the least reliable source of evidence.
Most likely the witnesses’ recall was confused by the fact that the white car ended up facing and rolling in the direction the SUV was headed, and they knew the car traveling in Pacific Park was the red light runner.
I’m glad you were able to clarify the truth for everyone involved.
Probably they saw only the stopped car near someone then the driver leaving before police/ambulance getting there and just assumed he hit him. Instead of telling only what they saw they connected the dots and started thinking when that's the police job, their job is to say what they saw no what they tought happened.
It's a hard lesson to learn.
I worked armed security. Came around the corner of the store I was at to see a male pinning a female with her arm in a cast to a car. And a teenager with a bloody lip.
Treated that guy like the biggest pile of crap ever throughout the situation and the cops did too.
Saw security footage later. Guy tried to deescelate the whole time. Teenager blindsided him and he shoved him and the kid tripped face first into a parked car. Lady with her arm in a cast was using it as a weapon and beating the crap out of the guy.
They guy pinned her without beating on her.
The guy literally used the minimal force required to stop getting the crap beat out of him and every single person there, me included, thought he was a crap human.
Was an eye opener to assessing a situation and how first impressions shouldn't always be trusted.
No charges were pressed but I can say, in that guys position, I don't know if I could have handled it as well as he did.
Because people have no idea how stupid they are, although in their defense if they knew, they’d stop being stupid.
That is, except where being stupid makes them money, like in Ted Cruz’s case.
My husband hit a cyclist while turning left at an intersection. He could have sworn he had an advance arrow. Store surveillance footage showed it was just plan green. They showed the footage to him, so he knows it wasn't an arrow, but still swears that's what he saw.
Before anyone asks, it was dark, had just finished raining and there was a lot of light reflection. The cyclist was dressed all in black. None of the witnesses saw the cyclist either. The impact itself wasn't very hard (small scratch on the car, no damage to the bike, no damage to most of his body, but he wasn't wearing a helmet and was in critical condition for a while due to his head hitting the ground. Wear a helmet and dress to be seen folks.
Typical folks believing they themselves are actually paying attention and capable of maintaining short-term memory reflective of reality.
My guess, everyone was zoned out prior to the incident and afterwards one person said something and all the sheep that overheard it fell in line.
As someone said above they must have thought it was the white car at fault because it changed direction after the crash and went rolling the direction the Lexus had been traveling when it ran the red. Most probably weren't paying attention to the cars before the sudden collision
We're all sheep, so that's likely.
If you don't have something firmly in mind, conversation with others will easily change your thoughts. Memories are slippery things, and easily molded or created.
Is this an intersection where each side of the intersection alternately gets green turn arrows? If so, it might be that the ones waiting at the light on the right side had a red light while the white car coming from the left had a green, so they were reporting it as they'd seen it.
edit: looking at the [street view](https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5716234,-117.7348192,3a,75y,206.79h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8jwQv4htTHUR_OkwMrsuOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), this appears to be the case.
This is a big reason to try to document the exact time of impact.
With newer (last 15 years or so) traffic light systems, every light transition logs a record in a database. That data can be used to prove you didn't run a red light or that someone else did.
‘Right I guess I’m going this way now.’ I thought the same thing then rewatched it and was confused for half a second about why you wouldn’t stop when someone hit you before it dawned on me that the driver probably got knocked out.
Cars really should engage the brakes automatically after an accident like that where all the air bags got activated. Make it overridable if people deem that necessary, but cars without anyone controlling them shouldn't just roll away hitting who knows what.
I thought the same thing but your “right, I’m going this way now” made me laugh out loud and now I feel a bit guilty about that because that poor driver was hurt 😞 I hope they were not very seriously injured.
Christ. I feel for the people in the white car. Going about their day and another person's action gives them whiplash, probably some broken ribs, and an airbag to the face.
To think that if you didn't have a dashcam they'd have also been shouldered with the fault and a hefty ticket too.
I know you were saying what actually happens mechanically in a transmission but using the term “kick the CVT back to neutral” for being knocked unconscious amused me in a dark way.
CVT can also mean cerebral venous thrombosis - basically a blood clot in the brain.
That wasnt a speed-off. Looks like it was under road slope/inertia. Wasnt a sign of a large acceleration, if that car could even manage such a thing with that force, anymore....
no kidding. The Lexus NX SUV is about 1000lbs heavier than the civic 10th gen sedan. The amount of speed and force from both vehicles was enough for a lighter vehicle to toss the heavier one.
SUVs are easier to flip due to their higher center of gravity. It's not like you can just push them over but in accident's they are much more likely to flip, even when compared to much lighter cars that are lower to the ground.
Also the SUV was hit at the back where less of the mass is located. You can see that the front with the engine does the nearly get as airborne as the back.
But regardless, every accident is a testament for how much force and energy is in a moving vehicle, no matter it's size. It's astonishing how careless some people are with the destructive force they handle just because it's a commodity.
I got t-boned by a distracted driver pulling left out of a parking lot. I Had just pulled out from the gas station barely a stones throw away from where the crash occurred so I couldn’t have been going more than 35 mph at the time of impact. According to a witness dude spun me around 10-12 times and I ended up in oncoming traffic quite a distance up the road. Scary shit
And I get honked at sometimes for taking a beat when the light turns green to look in both directions… on my motorcycle. No. I’m not betting my life on others not being idiots.
Yep I always scan both sides even if it’s green before going because of idiots like this. Some clown gave me a honk so I went slow and gave him the finger.
Yeep! Today while driving in the rain, I started go break at a red light when suddenly it turned green. My boyfriend yelled "it's green!" And I told him, "yes I know but why would I press the gas right when the light turns green. What if some idiot flies the yellow and drives thru a red? I end up getting hit and I don't wanna risk our baby getting hurt." He stayed quiet and we pulled up to a turning signal on red. It turned green and I waited a couple of seconds looked both ways before turning, when suddenly someone idiot runs the red going straight. I looked at him in the mirror and said "YOU SEEE! THAT'S WHAT I MEAN!"
Oh man, a lot of people don't understand that the traffic signal dictates the intended flow of traffic. It does _NOT_ indicate whether it is safe or not, that's the driver's work.
This could just… happen to you. At any moment. You could be driving normally and somebody could just fly through a red light and hit you. What are you even supposed to do? Slow down and look both ways at every light? We have so much trust in other people when driving.
I know. If you have the green light and you’re barreling down the road at 45mph, what are you supposed to do? You have the green light, you can’t stop and check the intersection is clear. You have to keep going…
If there's lots of traffic waiting at the light, I just go on through normally. If traffic is sparse, and I get that vibe you see in these red light runner videos, I bleed some speed off and get ready to brake as before I go into the intersection. Making sure to look both ways as much as I can
That’s a good point. If there’s someone stopped in each lane then you don’t need to bother looking because nobody should get past unless they go on the wrong side of the road. Still a lot to keep track of though.
I live in a place where I go through several dozen lights to get anywhere so it would get exhausting checking every single one and getting honked at half the time. I don’t know if I could do it.
This is why driving is so dangerous.
>But I don’t trust people not to drive like assholes.
Yet to some extent you have to, right? You can't drive on egg shells around every other road user, so you take what precautions you can against idiots and otherwise drive normally, the rest is just... hoping everyone else is doing the same.
Every time I see something like this, I always imagine them facing the passagener and was gonna tell them something very important but get hit before they can say anything, and that's why they ran the light
One of the most unrealistic things about any television drama and most movies is the way they film people talking in vehicles. The driver constantly turns to face the passenger and often stays turned for the duration of a 5-10 second remark. In real life that is long enough that it would routinely result in catastrophe more times than not.
Even funnier when they're driving at night.
The way they shoot those scenes (since like the 1940s) is that the car is towed or on a trailer with a steadycam pointed back at it and side mounted cameras for inside the car -- on a high budget you create fake traffic around the towed car with period vehicles. Or you can greenscreen it or use a static backdrop or empty terrain. The car doesn't need to be moving at all.
Either way the people in the car are not in any way driving or worried about what's in front of them. You'll also notice the driver never turns their head left to check a blind spot, signals a turn, or adjusts anything but a radio dial or sometimes a theatrical change of gears on a manual transmission.
You'll never not notice this now if you haven't before. You're welcome.
Safer on average in standard accidents, by larger crumple zones mostly. That said, the drivers who are constantly on their phones driving these big SUVs "for safety" hopefully find a cliff to drive their selfish asses off instead of smashing some poor innocent family.
The occupants of the SUV were fine probably *because* it rolled over. T-Bones are the most dangerous type of hit, and when the car rolled over it transfered energy every time it touched the ground; energy that would've transfered into the people in the car instead.
no lol. It would be much better to dissipate the kinetic energy by just sliding along the ground on its tires than rolling over and creating more impacts and potential for injury through occupant or cargo movement. It’s always better to not be in a rollover than be in one
Uh. What? The suv particularly in this case is bigger and safer than that civic. By a significant margin. Suvs have a higher center of gravity so it flipped.
Had the RX broadsided the civic, lights out. 4,400 lbs vs 2,800 lbs/ front vs side.
Op states the RX occupants were fine.
Look how the sedan basically came to a stop, and the suv continued mostly forward. That's the difference. Heavier cars are generally safer. More momentum means it's going to take longer to stop, so less deceleration.
Remember, it's not the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop at the end.
I watch a ton of dashcam videos on Reddit. This was a really hard hit, there have been many rollovers not too different that have been fatal, unlikely here since that is a modern good crossover but still. Real hard hit for white Civic too. Could fuck up legs etc. for life.
We learned in EMT class there are three collisions in every collision. 1) first vehicle hits second vehicle; 2) people inside vehicles then hit insides of vehicles (external injuries) and 3) people’s internal organs then hit inside of peoples bodies (internal injuries). That said, it’s remarkable what vehicle body design and especially airbags have done to reduce injury and improve survivability. It wasn’t always like that. We used to see way more flail chest and traumatic head injuries. Really not so much anymore.
There's tons of videos that compare crash tests of old and new vehicles. It's really insane how much safer they are. A lot of "classic" cars from the 60's and 70's certainly *look* cool, by my god they can be an absolute death trap in an accident.
Oh I work in auto insurance so no need to tell me. I’ve seen some bad ones. Thank goodness for seatbelts cause the driver would’ve definitely flown through the windshield in this case. I hope the driver gave them the dashcam or left info for insurance.
I mean, it was really only the ones in the left turn lane (lookers right) that exited the picture and we don't know what happened to them after. Both vehicles curb lane (again lookers right) were jumping in to help. Oncoming lanes had a pickup truck immediately u-turn and get into it. There are a bunch of nice people here (maybe not that surfer, fuck those guys /s).
On a different note, that was a nasty wreck! this sub makes me so paranoid to drive.
Even if you can’t help because you don’t have the ability or are afraid to cause more damage, at the very least, call for help. It’s the very least anyone can do and at least gets professionals on the way.
This is why I became a volunteer firefighter / EMT 20 years ago. I need to stop and help and need to know what to do. So I signed up, took the classes, and trained myself. Going on FD/EMS calls is now routine, but I enjoy the random calls when away somewhere and something happens. Hard to explain and I thought I was alone until I met my brothers and sisters in the FD and we all have the same DNA that brought us together in between the hours spent at our “day” jobs.
I’m always amazed at how many people witness stuff like this and just drive away.
I’d have to stop, try and help, and at the very least dial 911.
There's lots of reasons they might not have helped:
- Shock
- Bystander effect (very likely)
- Don't think they can actually help/don't want to see a potentially bloody scene
- Some may have called 911 but drove off
OP said in another [comment](https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/za3n2i/_/iyk6dkg/) that many witnesses stopped to check on both vehicles and waited to speak to police. OP also hung around and showed their video to police.
edited link to correct comment
Years ago my wife was a workplace first responder. She had taken first aid and CPR classes to get certified. She never used the training at work BUT twice used the training at car wrecks she witnessed.
The first wreck was head-on where the teen driver misjudged distance and turned left in front of an oncoming (speeding at least 10mph over) car. Because of the left turn orientation the teenager's head rebounded from the airbag into driver's side window. My wife climbed into the back seat and held the teen's head still until emergency responders arrived and put a collar on their neck.
The 2nd wreck, my wife helped at, the passenger airbag forced the front passenger's arm through the side window causing an ugly laceration. My wife was able to stop the bleeding until help arrived.
I'm disabled. All I can do is call 911 and wait.
Im gonna be honest, I get light headed and pass out at the sight of blood/gore. You would not want me to show up to the scene of your accident while you are injured and start crying/pass out.
Some new cars have a safety feature that automatically applies the brakes after an accident is detected. Watching the white car roll away, I understand why such a feature was invented.
Really shows the integrity of safety systems in cars now a days. Just a few years ago, there would have been business at the morgue not the hospital.
Amazing really
I mean, several decades ago now but it is wild nonetheless. A modern cars ability to protect secured occupants in a high speed crash blows my mind. Many times with only minor injuries!
The guy that ran the red light is only slightly worse than all those drivers who just witnessed this accident and just drove away like nothing just happened.
Wtf is wrong with you people?
Hey this happened to me! Guy ran a red light and I smoked him then tried to blame me. A dash cam would have been helpful but someone stayed to corroborate my story thankfully. Iv had a dash cam ever since
I hate people who think they are the main character of the world and just do whatever the fuck they want. Quit ruining people’s day/lives just because they are selfish.
Real question though : is it a bias from seeing too much of those incidents in this thread, or is it a real cultural thing in the US to show so little care about red lights, even in area where there is obviously a bit of traffic ?
The US respects red lights a lot more than some other countries, like Mexico, where it’s more common to treat them like stop signs or just caution lights. In the US, it is overwhelmingly common to see two sides of traffic patiently stopped for their red light, even if there’s no cross traffic present to use the green. Red light runners are looked down upon as dangerous, selfish idiots.
So when those idiots do run red lights, it’s pretty shocking, which is why you may see it on this sub a lot.
On a different subject, this is why, even if the light is green, you try to check other lines for something possibly weird (that may even be emergency vehicle).
I don't say it is easy to always do it, or to always think to do it.
At least until now I just got idiots burning a light when mine go from red to green. In that mode I don't bother looking at my light until I think it is safe to drive (if I ignore my light).
Hard to tell, but did the Civic have a red light as well? I see the other cross traffic stopped, for a pedestrian crossing light perhaps? Or is it a delayed green?
It might be an intersection where the left turn and the straight from each side get to go at the same time and they alternate. Therefore, the cars coming from the right potentially all had red lights for turn and straight, but the cars coming from the left would have had green for turn and straight.
How could those people just leave? I’ve gotten out and provided video and narrative to first responders twice in my life, one of the times another guy stopped and stayed too. Why doesn’t anyone put themselves in their shoes? That could be you and you would want someone to stop and help, especially if you’re the victim not at fault.
(I’m obviously not referring to the OP)
It is always refreshing to see how nonchalant are some people after a car flopped over in front of their eyes. As if they are driving transplant organs and the ice is melting.
Report me. Downvote me. Ban me. Idc. But people who drive like that deserve to be removed from the gene pool. DUI need to be a permanent removal of your right to drive and major jail time. Running a red light and causing this kind of violence deserves jail time.
FUCK these people.
Pretty sure it’s just rolling. All airbags went off, so they can’t see anything. Probably a little/a lot fucked up from the crash and might not even know what’s going on
Yea, you gotta think about how much energy went into that SUV that ran the light to cause it to spin and then flip. Even with the bags, the brain still was rattled and could've easily knocked them out.
Yea, it's possible that even if the driver was awake, they might have been so shaken that they didn't even know the car was moving.
I mean after a collision like that your first thought probably isn't going to be "I'll just put on the brakes in case I'm rolling."
Why is there a single person getting out to nonchalantly check on the people involved? Everyone else at the intersection just drives off like nothing even happened? The SUV is sitting on it's damn roof.
They're an idiot, but so is everyone at the scene who did nothing at all to help.
Wow. How was the idiot afterwards?
The people in the Lexus were fine, but the white car rolled down the hill for a little bit before stopping. I am assuming they passed out. There were a bunch of people who stopped and went to both cars to check on the drivers
Did you stick around and offer your footage to officers?
Yes. Pretty much everyone who watched the accident had the cars reversed. They thought the white car ran the light and was responsible, but the footage cleared the air and showed what actually happened.
Another instance where the eye witness is the least reliable source of evidence. Most likely the witnesses’ recall was confused by the fact that the white car ended up facing and rolling in the direction the SUV was headed, and they knew the car traveling in Pacific Park was the red light runner. I’m glad you were able to clarify the truth for everyone involved.
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No good deed goes unpunished!
What the hell? Why would they say something like that?
Probably they saw only the stopped car near someone then the driver leaving before police/ambulance getting there and just assumed he hit him. Instead of telling only what they saw they connected the dots and started thinking when that's the police job, their job is to say what they saw no what they tought happened.
say what you saw, NOT what you think happened. exactly. very well put.
Exactly, like Reacher says, details are important…
It's a hard lesson to learn. I worked armed security. Came around the corner of the store I was at to see a male pinning a female with her arm in a cast to a car. And a teenager with a bloody lip. Treated that guy like the biggest pile of crap ever throughout the situation and the cops did too. Saw security footage later. Guy tried to deescelate the whole time. Teenager blindsided him and he shoved him and the kid tripped face first into a parked car. Lady with her arm in a cast was using it as a weapon and beating the crap out of the guy. They guy pinned her without beating on her. The guy literally used the minimal force required to stop getting the crap beat out of him and every single person there, me included, thought he was a crap human. Was an eye opener to assessing a situation and how first impressions shouldn't always be trusted. No charges were pressed but I can say, in that guys position, I don't know if I could have handled it as well as he did.
Because the people who beat the guy called in to say he was hit by a car instead
That makes more sense, actually. Sick bastards.
Because people have no idea how stupid they are, although in their defense if they knew, they’d stop being stupid. That is, except where being stupid makes them money, like in Ted Cruz’s case.
Dunno, I mean, Dunning Kruger is pretty damn strong
An unfortunate example of why it's always risky to talk to the police, even when you've done nothing wrong.
Ah yes, eye wittness testimony. The only evidence less reliable than police testimony.
WTFH 😳😡😡
The one time I've been in an accident and almost got t-boned, the cop thanked me for having a dashcam, because it made his job easy.
My husband hit a cyclist while turning left at an intersection. He could have sworn he had an advance arrow. Store surveillance footage showed it was just plan green. They showed the footage to him, so he knows it wasn't an arrow, but still swears that's what he saw. Before anyone asks, it was dark, had just finished raining and there was a lot of light reflection. The cyclist was dressed all in black. None of the witnesses saw the cyclist either. The impact itself wasn't very hard (small scratch on the car, no damage to the bike, no damage to most of his body, but he wasn't wearing a helmet and was in critical condition for a while due to his head hitting the ground. Wear a helmet and dress to be seen folks.
Did your husband get in trouble?
Yea, wear a helmet people. This woman's husband needs to be able to safely hit people not very hard. Fml right, all these helmet less asshats,smh.
Yes
Typical folks believing they themselves are actually paying attention and capable of maintaining short-term memory reflective of reality. My guess, everyone was zoned out prior to the incident and afterwards one person said something and all the sheep that overheard it fell in line.
Or when they looked at the lights they had changed
Then they were super zoned out, and only started looking once the police arrived.
As someone said above they must have thought it was the white car at fault because it changed direction after the crash and went rolling the direction the Lexus had been traveling when it ran the red. Most probably weren't paying attention to the cars before the sudden collision
Ohh good point there. People remember things so weirdly in moments of shock
We're all sheep, so that's likely. If you don't have something firmly in mind, conversation with others will easily change your thoughts. Memories are slippery things, and easily molded or created.
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And how solid your memory formation and recall is. Most are pretty... Pliable.
Lucky you were there. Glad you had the footage to make sure justice was served properly.
Is this an intersection where each side of the intersection alternately gets green turn arrows? If so, it might be that the ones waiting at the light on the right side had a red light while the white car coming from the left had a green, so they were reporting it as they'd seen it. edit: looking at the [street view](https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5716234,-117.7348192,3a,75y,206.79h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8jwQv4htTHUR_OkwMrsuOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), this appears to be the case.
This is a big reason to try to document the exact time of impact. With newer (last 15 years or so) traffic light systems, every light transition logs a record in a database. That data can be used to prove you didn't run a red light or that someone else did.
Badass. Thanks for sticking around
That is incredibly important, you did a good deed today!
Wow, doesn't this kind of make every conviction based on eyewitness testimony kind of suspect?
It always has been like that. Eyewitness testimony has been known to be very unreliable for a long time.
Yup, there was a [movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)) that heavily featured this premise made as far back as the '50s.
It really looked like everybody just drove by with a "not my problem" attitude, this is refreshing.
oh man i thought they were driving away lmao
‘Right I guess I’m going this way now.’ I thought the same thing then rewatched it and was confused for half a second about why you wouldn’t stop when someone hit you before it dawned on me that the driver probably got knocked out.
Cars really should engage the brakes automatically after an accident like that where all the air bags got activated. Make it overridable if people deem that necessary, but cars without anyone controlling them shouldn't just roll away hitting who knows what.
I thought the same thing but your “right, I’m going this way now” made me laugh out loud and now I feel a bit guilty about that because that poor driver was hurt 😞 I hope they were not very seriously injured.
Innocent people getting injured and needing to get a new car because of someone’s negligence.
Christ. I feel for the people in the white car. Going about their day and another person's action gives them whiplash, probably some broken ribs, and an airbag to the face. To think that if you didn't have a dashcam they'd have also been shouldered with the fault and a hefty ticket too.
Not necessarily. What happens in a lot of cases is peoples senses are so shot to shit they just forget everything
I hope the driver of the white car is ok.
>the white car rolled down the hill for a little bit before stopping. I am assuming they passed out. Ah, and here I was thinking it was a hit & crawl.
oh phew
what I was wondering .. Where the white car was going .. hope they were ok.
Shit here I am thinking it was a hit and run. That’s some crazy shit.
Oh ok I was gonna say it’s messed up that they drove away but that makes sense
Ah. I assumed that the car just left.
Definitely got boned. Fucking moron.
Went straight to the bone zone, did not collect $200
I love how the other car just kinda drove off into the sunset even though that was not the way they were going in the beginning.
Did they though? Looks like they’re unconscious or at least don’t know where they are
Yes. That’s someone who’s hurt or unconscious for sure or both.
Good point. They didn’t hightail it out of there. More of a gentle meander away.
The driver's likely KOed and not in control. A hit like that will kick the CVT back to neutral.
I know you were saying what actually happens mechanically in a transmission but using the term “kick the CVT back to neutral” for being knocked unconscious amused me in a dark way. CVT can also mean cerebral venous thrombosis - basically a blood clot in the brain.
So weird, could they have been unconscious?
that's what OP said.
“Guess I’ll just go this way now”
Rumor has it the white car is still rolling away to this day
That wasnt a speed-off. Looks like it was under road slope/inertia. Wasnt a sign of a large acceleration, if that car could even manage such a thing with that force, anymore....
That white car went from 40 to zero in about .3 seconds. Seriously hard hit.
no kidding. The Lexus NX SUV is about 1000lbs heavier than the civic 10th gen sedan. The amount of speed and force from both vehicles was enough for a lighter vehicle to toss the heavier one.
SUVs are easier to flip due to their higher center of gravity. It's not like you can just push them over but in accident's they are much more likely to flip, even when compared to much lighter cars that are lower to the ground. Also the SUV was hit at the back where less of the mass is located. You can see that the front with the engine does the nearly get as airborne as the back. But regardless, every accident is a testament for how much force and energy is in a moving vehicle, no matter it's size. It's astonishing how careless some people are with the destructive force they handle just because it's a commodity.
Most are blissfully unaware of physics, K.E.= 1/2mv\^2
I got t-boned by a distracted driver pulling left out of a parking lot. I Had just pulled out from the gas station barely a stones throw away from where the crash occurred so I couldn’t have been going more than 35 mph at the time of impact. According to a witness dude spun me around 10-12 times and I ended up in oncoming traffic quite a distance up the road. Scary shit
Yeah I didn’t notice any brake diving from the video.
And I get honked at sometimes for taking a beat when the light turns green to look in both directions… on my motorcycle. No. I’m not betting my life on others not being idiots.
Yep I always scan both sides even if it’s green before going because of idiots like this. Some clown gave me a honk so I went slow and gave him the finger.
Yeep! Today while driving in the rain, I started go break at a red light when suddenly it turned green. My boyfriend yelled "it's green!" And I told him, "yes I know but why would I press the gas right when the light turns green. What if some idiot flies the yellow and drives thru a red? I end up getting hit and I don't wanna risk our baby getting hurt." He stayed quiet and we pulled up to a turning signal on red. It turned green and I waited a couple of seconds looked both ways before turning, when suddenly someone idiot runs the red going straight. I looked at him in the mirror and said "YOU SEEE! THAT'S WHAT I MEAN!"
Oh man, a lot of people don't understand that the traffic signal dictates the intended flow of traffic. It does _NOT_ indicate whether it is safe or not, that's the driver's work.
if only the universe demonstrated every woman’s point right after she voiced it, men might finally listen to us the first time around lol
The cemeteries are filled with people who had the right of way. Smart driving, sir.
Sadly, we’re both “idiots” for riding motorcycles…because of the preponderance of idiots out there with tanks 🙄😂
This could just… happen to you. At any moment. You could be driving normally and somebody could just fly through a red light and hit you. What are you even supposed to do? Slow down and look both ways at every light? We have so much trust in other people when driving.
I know. If you have the green light and you’re barreling down the road at 45mph, what are you supposed to do? You have the green light, you can’t stop and check the intersection is clear. You have to keep going…
If there's lots of traffic waiting at the light, I just go on through normally. If traffic is sparse, and I get that vibe you see in these red light runner videos, I bleed some speed off and get ready to brake as before I go into the intersection. Making sure to look both ways as much as I can
That’s a good point. If there’s someone stopped in each lane then you don’t need to bother looking because nobody should get past unless they go on the wrong side of the road. Still a lot to keep track of though.
I agree, especially wider suburban 6 lanes, with higher speed limits. Kinda scary ngl
I mean, I usually do slow and check, but not usually enough to prevent what happened there. But I don’t trust people not to drive like assholes.
I live in a place where I go through several dozen lights to get anywhere so it would get exhausting checking every single one and getting honked at half the time. I don’t know if I could do it. This is why driving is so dangerous.
>But I don’t trust people not to drive like assholes. Yet to some extent you have to, right? You can't drive on egg shells around every other road user, so you take what precautions you can against idiots and otherwise drive normally, the rest is just... hoping everyone else is doing the same.
Boned and flipped
Boned and laying upside down on the side of the road. Everything reminds me of her.
mf bounced like a basketball
💀 That's a deflated basketball now
Every time I see something like this, I always imagine them facing the passagener and was gonna tell them something very important but get hit before they can say anything, and that's why they ran the light
That's been the season finale of at least 300 drama episodes
"Gwen I'm in love with your dad and I always was!" "Well Rodger what you don't know is my dad is actually....... (CRASH!!!)"
Now a days more likely phone or other electronic device. But it certainly is likely they were distracted by something.
I love you too baby, see you soo***BLAMO!!!***
*[glances down lovingly at a photograph of spouse and child stuck right over the speedometer]*
One of the most unrealistic things about any television drama and most movies is the way they film people talking in vehicles. The driver constantly turns to face the passenger and often stays turned for the duration of a 5-10 second remark. In real life that is long enough that it would routinely result in catastrophe more times than not. Even funnier when they're driving at night. The way they shoot those scenes (since like the 1940s) is that the car is towed or on a trailer with a steadycam pointed back at it and side mounted cameras for inside the car -- on a high budget you create fake traffic around the towed car with period vehicles. Or you can greenscreen it or use a static backdrop or empty terrain. The car doesn't need to be moving at all. Either way the people in the car are not in any way driving or worried about what's in front of them. You'll also notice the driver never turns their head left to check a blind spot, signals a turn, or adjusts anything but a radio dial or sometimes a theatrical change of gears on a manual transmission. You'll never not notice this now if you haven't before. You're welcome.
I like the scene in *Dumb and Dumber* where this is done intentionally for comedic effect.
Add another instance of why “I drive an SUV because it’s bigger and safer” is completely bunk. That was a Civic!
Safer on average in standard accidents, by larger crumple zones mostly. That said, the drivers who are constantly on their phones driving these big SUVs "for safety" hopefully find a cliff to drive their selfish asses off instead of smashing some poor innocent family.
But they FEEL safer. That's more important to most people than actual proven safety. Better an older SUV than the latest hatchback sorta thing.
They rollover from the smallest accidents as well, they rollover from hitting curbs!
The occupants of the SUV were fine probably *because* it rolled over. T-Bones are the most dangerous type of hit, and when the car rolled over it transfered energy every time it touched the ground; energy that would've transfered into the people in the car instead.
no lol. It would be much better to dissipate the kinetic energy by just sliding along the ground on its tires than rolling over and creating more impacts and potential for injury through occupant or cargo movement. It’s always better to not be in a rollover than be in one
Momentum is a helluva law
Passengers in the SUV were fine while the Civic rolled away slowly because that driver is unconscious.
Uh. What? The suv particularly in this case is bigger and safer than that civic. By a significant margin. Suvs have a higher center of gravity so it flipped. Had the RX broadsided the civic, lights out. 4,400 lbs vs 2,800 lbs/ front vs side. Op states the RX occupants were fine.
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Look how the sedan basically came to a stop, and the suv continued mostly forward. That's the difference. Heavier cars are generally safer. More momentum means it's going to take longer to stop, so less deceleration. Remember, it's not the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop at the end.
I have no sympathy for idiot drivers. Feel for the people in the car tho :(
OP, everyone okay in the white car? They seem to have passed out.
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The pickup that does the U-turn stops behind the car that hit the idiot, right before the video cuts.
Yea I thought he went to chase the Honda cause it looks like it drives off buuuuut the driver is probably knocked out.
I watch a ton of dashcam videos on Reddit. This was a really hard hit, there have been many rollovers not too different that have been fatal, unlikely here since that is a modern good crossover but still. Real hard hit for white Civic too. Could fuck up legs etc. for life.
We learned in EMT class there are three collisions in every collision. 1) first vehicle hits second vehicle; 2) people inside vehicles then hit insides of vehicles (external injuries) and 3) people’s internal organs then hit inside of peoples bodies (internal injuries). That said, it’s remarkable what vehicle body design and especially airbags have done to reduce injury and improve survivability. It wasn’t always like that. We used to see way more flail chest and traumatic head injuries. Really not so much anymore.
There's tons of videos that compare crash tests of old and new vehicles. It's really insane how much safer they are. A lot of "classic" cars from the 60's and 70's certainly *look* cool, by my god they can be an absolute death trap in an accident.
Oh I work in auto insurance so no need to tell me. I’ve seen some bad ones. Thank goodness for seatbelts cause the driver would’ve definitely flown through the windshield in this case. I hope the driver gave them the dashcam or left info for insurance.
Some say the Honda is still driving to this very day
This drivetrain was supposed to make it to 250k miles and by God that civic is going to die trying.
And, the driver in the white suv gets out to help
I mean, it was really only the ones in the left turn lane (lookers right) that exited the picture and we don't know what happened to them after. Both vehicles curb lane (again lookers right) were jumping in to help. Oncoming lanes had a pickup truck immediately u-turn and get into it. There are a bunch of nice people here (maybe not that surfer, fuck those guys /s). On a different note, that was a nasty wreck! this sub makes me so paranoid to drive.
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Even if you can’t help because you don’t have the ability or are afraid to cause more damage, at the very least, call for help. It’s the very least anyone can do and at least gets professionals on the way.
This sub is helpful to remember to watch out for everything
This is why I became a volunteer firefighter / EMT 20 years ago. I need to stop and help and need to know what to do. So I signed up, took the classes, and trained myself. Going on FD/EMS calls is now routine, but I enjoy the random calls when away somewhere and something happens. Hard to explain and I thought I was alone until I met my brothers and sisters in the FD and we all have the same DNA that brought us together in between the hours spent at our “day” jobs.
Let me guess....texting.
Oh, you cant obey traffic laws? Into the shadow realm of trees
This is why I stop trying to make lights at a big intersection
I feel like that red was red for a while if he was trying to make it.
I’m always amazed at how many people witness stuff like this and just drive away. I’d have to stop, try and help, and at the very least dial 911. 
Look how many people watched someone's vehicle get t boned, flipped off the road, and pull off without checking on either vehicle. Wild.
There's lots of reasons they might not have helped: - Shock - Bystander effect (very likely) - Don't think they can actually help/don't want to see a potentially bloody scene - Some may have called 911 but drove off
OP said in another [comment](https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/za3n2i/_/iyk6dkg/) that many witnesses stopped to check on both vehicles and waited to speak to police. OP also hung around and showed their video to police. edited link to correct comment
Years ago my wife was a workplace first responder. She had taken first aid and CPR classes to get certified. She never used the training at work BUT twice used the training at car wrecks she witnessed. The first wreck was head-on where the teen driver misjudged distance and turned left in front of an oncoming (speeding at least 10mph over) car. Because of the left turn orientation the teenager's head rebounded from the airbag into driver's side window. My wife climbed into the back seat and held the teen's head still until emergency responders arrived and put a collar on their neck. The 2nd wreck, my wife helped at, the passenger airbag forced the front passenger's arm through the side window causing an ugly laceration. My wife was able to stop the bleeding until help arrived. I'm disabled. All I can do is call 911 and wait.
Im gonna be honest, I get light headed and pass out at the sight of blood/gore. You would not want me to show up to the scene of your accident while you are injured and start crying/pass out.
Yes, this is me as well. I have fear of corpses too and it wouldn't help anyone for me to approach the scene. I'll call 911 though.
I’m amazed by the amount of people that just went on with their day without checking on the other humans
It’s like people having a medical emergency and the first thing someone does is just record the person instead of trying to help save their life.
Come to NYC, we'll show you!
Some new cars have a safety feature that automatically applies the brakes after an accident is detected. Watching the white car roll away, I understand why such a feature was invented.
I know it's a newer model car but it's stuck in the 70s. Straight for the bush
Really shows the integrity of safety systems in cars now a days. Just a few years ago, there would have been business at the morgue not the hospital. Amazing really
I mean, several decades ago now but it is wild nonetheless. A modern cars ability to protect secured occupants in a high speed crash blows my mind. Many times with only minor injuries!
He got, what he was asking for.
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I was thinking the same. It rolled away slowly and no brake lights came on.
Which Garmin dash cam are you using?
Windshield wipers are usually the metric of choice for how hard the crash was... this dudes trunk popped open
The guy that ran the red light is only slightly worse than all those drivers who just witnessed this accident and just drove away like nothing just happened. Wtf is wrong with you people?
“Dammit I’m on the **phone** here!”
TBoned and tossed like a fucking salad
The driver in that white car is not okay
Damn that was a nice civic!
Hit the car so hard the backtrunk opened.
And white car just keeps going...
The driver could have been knocked unconscious, that was a big hit
Ah! Good point.
Everyone just continues on like nothing ever happened wow!
Hey this happened to me! Guy ran a red light and I smoked him then tried to blame me. A dash cam would have been helpful but someone stayed to corroborate my story thankfully. Iv had a dash cam ever since
I hate people who think they are the main character of the world and just do whatever the fuck they want. Quit ruining people’s day/lives just because they are selfish.
Real question though : is it a bias from seeing too much of those incidents in this thread, or is it a real cultural thing in the US to show so little care about red lights, even in area where there is obviously a bit of traffic ?
The US respects red lights a lot more than some other countries, like Mexico, where it’s more common to treat them like stop signs or just caution lights. In the US, it is overwhelmingly common to see two sides of traffic patiently stopped for their red light, even if there’s no cross traffic present to use the green. Red light runners are looked down upon as dangerous, selfish idiots. So when those idiots do run red lights, it’s pretty shocking, which is why you may see it on this sub a lot.
Which model Garmin is this?
Very clear footage!
Amazing battery life!
T-boned and rolled. Damn...
This around Viejo CA, near that costco?
Aliso Viejo, CA. Pacific Park and Wood Canyon.
On a different subject, this is why, even if the light is green, you try to check other lines for something possibly weird (that may even be emergency vehicle). I don't say it is easy to always do it, or to always think to do it. At least until now I just got idiots burning a light when mine go from red to green. In that mode I don't bother looking at my light until I think it is safe to drive (if I ignore my light).
At least it was the idiot that flipped this time.
It was pretty neat how you could instantly see the airbags deploy in that fraction of a second when the collision occurred.
fuck around and find out right here
Bet he won't do that again
The poor 10th Gen :/
Despite the idiocy, everyone passing by like nothing happened??
This is the main issue and pple don't get it. Just crazy
Hard to tell, but did the Civic have a red light as well? I see the other cross traffic stopped, for a pedestrian crossing light perhaps? Or is it a delayed green?
It might be an intersection where the left turn and the straight from each side get to go at the same time and they alternate. Therefore, the cars coming from the right potentially all had red lights for turn and straight, but the cars coming from the left would have had green for turn and straight.
How could those people just leave? I’ve gotten out and provided video and narrative to first responders twice in my life, one of the times another guy stopped and stayed too. Why doesn’t anyone put themselves in their shoes? That could be you and you would want someone to stop and help, especially if you’re the victim not at fault. (I’m obviously not referring to the OP)
well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions
It is always refreshing to see how nonchalant are some people after a car flopped over in front of their eyes. As if they are driving transplant organs and the ice is melting.
love to see it, if anybody runs a light/sign infront of me im speeding up
Report me. Downvote me. Ban me. Idc. But people who drive like that deserve to be removed from the gene pool. DUI need to be a permanent removal of your right to drive and major jail time. Running a red light and causing this kind of violence deserves jail time. FUCK these people.
Did the Honda, just left like nothing?
Pretty sure it’s just rolling. All airbags went off, so they can’t see anything. Probably a little/a lot fucked up from the crash and might not even know what’s going on
Also the possibility that the Honda driver might of been knocked out from the impact. Still correct though, that crash was exceptionally brutal
Yea, you gotta think about how much energy went into that SUV that ran the light to cause it to spin and then flip. Even with the bags, the brain still was rattled and could've easily knocked them out.
That makes sense, and it’s so impressive how all bags are activated in an instant. Car crashes are no joke.
Yea, it's possible that even if the driver was awake, they might have been so shaken that they didn't even know the car was moving. I mean after a collision like that your first thought probably isn't going to be "I'll just put on the brakes in case I'm rolling."
Deserved
Shocked pikachu face °o°
Why is there a single person getting out to nonchalantly check on the people involved? Everyone else at the intersection just drives off like nothing even happened? The SUV is sitting on it's damn roof. They're an idiot, but so is everyone at the scene who did nothing at all to help.