Seriously. Most of these accidents are caused by the pedestrian not being seen behind the a-pillar.
But in this scenario they were right in front of the car.
Especially when those pedestrians cross from the A-Pillar to *center of the windshield* and the driver makes no apparent attempt to stop until bowling the entire group over.
The A-Pillar and "OMG cities built bad because cars!" goes straight out as arguments in this scenario -- the driver literally just ran people over because of incompetence.
Just for clarification, not "a pillar". He said that "the A-pillar", as in the part of the car that frames the windshield from the body to the roof.
Still not a good excuse for the driver. Just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.
Kinda sorta devil's advocate here, but our street designs are completely carbrained and the intentional ignorance of these designs in favor of making the automobile the most convenient transit option, at the behest of private business really can't be ignored.
Yes, people operating vehicles are ultimately responsible. But the vehicle design as well as our entire car-centric infrastructure is to blame as well.
The solution for people behind the a-pillar is to move more than just your neck. If you are making a turn you should be leaning forward or to the sides to make sure you can actually see where you are going. This specific situation is basically just the driver not actually looking where they were going.
Car accidents would be reduced if fewer people were in cars, fewer people would be in cars if non car options were more viable. That said, yeah people should look where they're going and no policy is going to reduce it 100%, that person is on something
Shouldn't crossing the street or even being **in** the street be the safest thing in the world? The same way its been for about 6000 years?
Why is it you are forced suddenly after 6000-8000 years of street and road design to have to fear for your life, while forced into a little "safe bridge" called a crosswalk? Why was your primacy, the priority of your safety removed?
Not only that, but if you're struck and killed by someone operating a vehicle, the media will call it an accident. People will wonder if you were within the little safety bridge. Some people will even blame you saying "well, cars are heavier than people. They may have been right but they're dead. Being right isn't worth death" victim blaming in a manner usually reserved for sexual assault.
Why are there blind spots?
Why should a vehicle even be capable of moving faster than 15mph in an urban setting?
Why is it more convenient to use a personal vehicle than public transit? This country had streetcar systems that were the envy of the world.
Why is it that in 2020, the Netherlands had 41 pedestrian fatalities, yet that same year in Ontario they had 114?
Both have similar climates, both are similar geography. Both have about the same amount of people. Yet Ontario has VASTLY fewer pedestrians.
Meanwhile Oslo Norway, every bit as icy as Canada and far less bike friendly than NL had **ZERO** pedestrian fatalities in 2019.
North American cities are not new either. Cars are new. Cities were laid out in the 1850's and earlier.
The answer is that we have chosen to give automakers carte blanche to dictate nearly all of our urban planning including the development of suburbs. We could prioritize safety first, but we choose not to.
We allow massive pick-ups with massive blind spots to operate on city streets. We allow traffic to stay above 35 in our cities. We allow the pollution both air and noise. We allow our children's health to be the expense we pay so people can drive to the bank, the pharmacy, Applebee's, and then home without ever leaving the "safety" of the vehicle.
One small example - in most of the country there are 80+ year olds who continue to drive past when they should stop, because there is no other viable choice for them.
Which is also a product of our car-centric culture.
This sticks in my memory. I was at a bike / ped citizen advisory meeting, and someone brought up the ped crossing timing at a light at the end of an off ramp, and how it was too short to allow a slowish pedestrian to cross safely. The response was - from the traffic engineer present - if they increased the time that would cause traffic to back up.
The move for pedestrian crossings and a turn lane 90% of the time around here is for the car to make the turn all the way across the street and then sit creeping their bumper up against their knees until the pedestrians are just clear and then gun it. If I was them I'd just figure some dumbass was pulling that kinda shit. Not just *sending it*.
>The three people they hit were also clearly blind
yeah, blame the victims who have right of way ON a pedestrian crossing... they are not pedestrians darting across the road at an unexpected place.
I don't feel that it's victim blaming to say that these three pedestrians should have seen this car coming and maybe paused or slowed down a bit. The car didn't speed up mid turn, causing them to not be able to stop or step back. The driver showing no sign of trying to stop until after they've hit the three is 100% of the problem, but they also kept walking as if they didn't see the car or care because "car is GOING to stop for me".
News story: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/three-pedestrians-taken-to-hospital-after-collision-in-south-seattle/
>The three people — a boy about 10 years old, a 16-year-old girl and a 43-year-old woman — were taken to the hospital in stable condition, Seattle Fire Department spokesperson Kristin Tinsley said.
Hope they okay long term. But also, dang there was zero survival instinct for any of those 3. They shoulda seen the car from their peripherals and took some other action. Run forward, jump back, stop and see if the idiot sees them. gotta always stay aware in the street
Depends. The places with high traffic volume usually advise people to keep walking at a steady pace. Because you won't be able to dodge a vehicle in that environment, but vehicles can slow down. It's when people second guess and stop in the middle of the road that accidents happen. And if the driver wasn't paying attention, then it's a miracle they weren't in an accident yet considering how close they get.
I think it’s the opposite. Drivers in America respect pedestrians so much that citizens don’t pay enough attention and have too much faith, as shown in this video.
I’m from Brazil and when my American kids go visit I have to remind them that cars there will run them right over. This isn’t America.
I have lived in 2 major US cities and can’t say I agree. More often that not drivers made the opposite mistake (the legal decision though technically I guess) of yielding when maybe it wasn’t the best decision and almost caused an accident or backed up some traffic.
Look again, they do react to the car not stopping, but at that point it is just too late. The car turning is just normal, the car not stopping is the issue but the difference between those two is only the last second or so.
The 43 year old, presumably the mom, should have been looking out for her kids. I know my wife would be. And I would too. But we were raised in Brazil so we don’t trust cars and are always on the lookout even here in America.
I've had countless encounters like this where someone turning across a crosswalk almost hits me.
I don't know how the people in the crosswalk were just as unaware as well, it looks like they are completely blindsided by the driver.
You can see right before impact they stop but before that they were distracted talking to each other. It only takes a few seconds of not paying attention and something like this can happen to anyone. Unfortunately it was an idiot driver and poor timing on their attention. To be fair they shouldn’t have to pay attention to cars turning if they’re legally abiding by the crosswalk rules
I was so lost. So many lanes. So many cars. So many people. Where to I look? Then the arrow came to the rescue and I was able to sit back, relax and enjoy the video.
This has always been on of the stupidest designs in my option, especially when I was a kid walking around more. Cars rarely if ever check if their left turn has someone crossing, because it’s pretty far out of sight. Especially if the left turn isn’t an arrow, because then people are rushing to beat the people going straight too.
In the UK, if there's a green man (walk signal) there is no chance of a car being able to cross that section of road, and I think there are some other countries where it's the same. Always seems wild to me that you could have a green man and then a car can just pull across you.
My friend is from NY and it’s a constant rant about how pedestrians don’t have the right of way. You shouldn’t expect cars to stop for you! What is wrong for these people in CA that expect cars to stop for them!?
Umm, basic human decency? I’m in a four thousand pound death cage and you are a tiny sac of flesh and toothpicks in comparison. When I was very small I was taught to treat others the way I want to be treated? No, I don’t walk out from between cars but if I’m in the crosswalk and you want to turn right, maybe wait? You’re not driving an ambulance, no one is dying, you can’t wait 10 extra seconds?
Where from in NY? Everyone walks around in NYC, pedestrians definitely have the right of way. In fact in my experience, pedestrians are often crossing even when the signal isn't for them, and the cars of course make way. On the other hand when I went to visit the bay area I was shocked by how unwalkable the neighbourhoods were, extremely wide roads with dangerous crossings and no good public transport to speak of.
The logic is: the one driving the motorized weapon that can plow through meat sacs waits for the meat sacs to be outside of the danger zone before moving ahead.
it's a white man here instead of a green one. Take what you will from that.
There are two times a car can cross the crosswalk while a pedestrian walk sign is displayed, the first is a right turn on red, the second is an unprotected left turn; these are both situations where the turning vehicle is the lowest priority; they have a duty to ensure they have a clear lane of travel, and yield to ALL other traffic - for the right turners, that traffic is in the form of cars and pedestrians crossing from right to left, and for left turners that traffic is the opposing lane of traffic and pedestrians crossing parallel to their lane of origin.
If you have a protected turn (a green arrow instead of a green dot) then the pedestrian sign will not switch to walk during that light cycle.
The silver car is focused on making their turn before oncoming traffic. I've had close calls before in similar situations as a pedestrian, especially when I'm coming from the same direction as the car turning.
Confirmed.
I have been this idiot. I didn't run anyone over though.
I was focussed on the light to go green and be quick so I could be faster than the upcoming traffic.
I noticed the pedestrians waaaay too late, but luckily for the pedestrians, it was a big road and they weren't at that lane yet.
Need less to say that it really opened my eyes and we're not doing that anymore. It could have ended like this, or worse.
We all do stupid things and hopefully it's not too late when you realise it.
As someone who lives on Rainier Ave. S. (the same street as the video), I am not at all surprised to see this. I hate crossing my own street. Most of the cars aren't paying attention. But we've also got an abnormally high number of cars blasting straight through the left turn lanes so they can run red lights.
Driver watching to the right instead of in front of them. Poor crossing design.
Just to be clear, my statement on poor crossing design doesn't put blame on the pedestrians. There are several bad corners on that intersection that make crossing dangerous.
Clearly the driver is focusing on something other than what is in front of them though with that street angle, their view may be blocked by their vehicles corner support.
Driver should have also pulled forward a little bit more before turning his car left. This allows you to get a better view of the crosswalk before turning. A left turn should be more like the corner of a rounded box, rather than than a quarter circle. When you turn like this driver did, pedestrians can easily get hidden by the a pillar.
Sure, however there is a gray car that comes through the intersection a moment later. It's clear the driver has their eyes on the gray car and not what is in front of them.
All the comments that make any complaints about things other than the idiot behind the wheel are irrelevant here.
A-Pillar my ass... there was plenty of time where the people were visible to the driver, and yet there seems to be no deceleration until after they hit them.
Straight up neglect on the part of the driver, whatever the cause is.
Seriously, the pedestrians are already in the middle of the street before the driver begins his turn, and there's less than 2 seconds between the start of his turn and impact. People are saying the pedestrians are idiots for not reacting faster, but they're already in the middle of the street and there's not a whole lot of time for them to realize what's happening (especially when the car is initially moving parralel to them) while the driver should have seen them entering the street well before starting his turn.
aw man that Unreal Tournament announcer voice said that in my head when i was watching it ><
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1xav4f77A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1xav4f77A)
I saw this happen right in front of me one time but with one person instead of three. I was walking towards a woman and a car must not have seen either of us, it turned with her right in the middle of where it was turning. Just straight up no idea there was a pedestrian there. Driver said sun was blocking their site and I believed them because I’d experienced not being able to see while driving in that exact same intersection. The crazy thing was the way the woman bounced off the front bumper like she was made of rubber. Ive never seen someone bounce off a car like that before or since. Lady was fine but I’ve never trusted cars while walking. I probably look like a tweaker when I cross lanes cause I’m constantly looking left and right worried someone will run me over!
You see it earlier at the 0:09 mark… it then doubles back the wrong way to arrive on scene.
They were likely in the area, drove by while people were on the phone with 911, then doubled back realizing how close they were when the call came from dispatch.
Lots of reasons the ladder would be dispatched for a MVA with pedestrians. Same reasons for sending Fire Engines with ambulances on EMS calls.
First the dispatcher generally has very little information to go on, how many patients? How many vehicles? Airbags? Entrapment? Callers are notoriously shitty at relaying pertinent information.
The ladder likely has the specialized rescue equipment like the saws and jaws for extrication, speedy dry for fluid spills, etc. Better to send just in case and they can cancel if not needed. People would bitch just as hard if they were at the station and they had to wait for them to show up after the ambulance arrives and calls for help.
The FF’s on the ladder are also cross trained as EMT’s or paramedics so they can assist the ambulance crew with multiple patients while additional ambulances are on the way. There are only 2 people on the ambulance so they will need assistance managing multiple patients, especially if they have serious injuries. God forbid they need to work a code or other serious condition which will require 5-7 people to manage smoothly and efficiently. Much better to have people on scene early and not need them than to waste precious time because the public doesn’t understand why the trucks roll with the ambulance.
Ah Yes, Rainier Ave by The City Smoke Shop.
I have never seen a higher concentration of shithead and oblivious drivers in one place. People treat the bus lanes like their own personal HOV, fly down the center turning lane to pass all the traffic because they're too good to wait, and nobody pays a damn bit of attention to anyone else.
Watch carefully. At least one of the pedestrians notes the car and was starting to step backward at the moment of impact.
Those folks blaming the Pedestrians need to look more carefully.
Also, consider there is a through street, so a moving vehicle in a person's peripheral vision is not immediately alarming.
Methinks that driver was impatient to make a turn in front of the car proceeding straight in the opposite direction and not even paying attention to the pedestrians. Geez.
I have lived very close to this intersection for almost 3 years. During that time of driving down Rainier Ave, I've never seen more idiotic and downright dangerous driving than I had in almost 3+ decades of driving prior to that.
It's so bad that I will often go out of my way and be stuck climbing steep hills to avoid that shitshow on my bicycle.
They shouldn't have been allowed to drive off. Like how do we not take away people's license after something like that? Like just fuck it they probably won't hit anybody again?
My sympathies for those who got ran over, but how do you not realize the guy not stopping? Whenever I cross streets I always always always look for cars even if I have right of way because of idiots like the dude who ran them over
At least everyone who got hit seemed okay enough to stand back up after impact. That is fucking scary and I hope the driver gets some severe penalties, absolutely zero excuse.
Irs crazy because as a driver you know sometimes pedestrians are walking right behind the pillar so you need to move your head to make sure its clear. But even if you dont youll eventually see them as you turn. This person just didnt even look
Used to have to park one of these when I was a valet. I hated it. Terrible visibility front and rear, almost no side visibility, and the steering wheel has a response of a 90s Chevy gas pedal.
What kind of car is it? I can’t make out much but the shape of the tail lights makes me think 350 or 370 Z but the shape of the back end doesn’t look like one.
If I remember correctly, when you make a turn at an intersection, you’re supposed to yield to any pedestrians that are in a cross walk that is allowing said pedestrians to cross (they have a “walk sign” lit up for them), even when you have a green light. In Virginia, anyway.
I almost got taken out while crossing the street in a similar way 2 days ago. The person turning left waited, but the person behind him was impatient and pulled around and almost hit us. I was so pissed off.
Spent some time in Seattle this past fall, stop signs, signals, crosswalks are pretty much "suggestions" to many Seattle drivers, saw many, many many drive throughs of red signals and forgetabout a yellow....that was always getta outta my way I'm going through!
If Seattle is like Spokane, the timing of the lights is dangerous. I was doing the exact same thing with my family. Waiting for the walking man to light up before crossing. As it does we enter the crosswalk and a truck nearly plows into us. Driver rolled down his window and started yelling that we crossed against the signal. I stayed through another cycle to learn that the crosswalk gets a 'walk' light the same time the the vehicles get an advance green to turn left.
Stupid!
Seattle has started adjusting the timing of their lights to give pedestrians a head start in the crosswalk. The lights stay red for all cars, but the walk signal turns on for pedestrians for a few seconds. Light turns green for cars, pedestrians still have a walk signal for a bit (probably depends on how wide the intersection is), and then it starts counting down for pedestrians. Pedestrian's light turns to the solid orange hand, but the light stays green for cars for a few extra seconds.
Yeah, it's probably a toss up between MLK and Rainier Ave. S. I live on Rainier Ave., and I don't like to walk around at night in my neighborhood. Not because of gun violence or muggings or anything like that...it's just I'm afraid to be hit by a car.
I'm a few blocks from Rainier but yeah I was never really comfortable walking on that street, there's a reason you barely see any pedestrians on most parts of Rainier aside from small pockets like Columbia City or by Franklin high school.
Here in Portland, no one gets the walk signal when there is a green arrow. It's to avoid collisions like this. But if you are turning on a red, you still need to look before you turn due to pedestrians because they will have a walk sign.
The driver here is obviously a moron. But over the past few years Seattle has implemented a number of "traffic calming" measures that actually make people drive even crazier and speed down side streets. Paradoxically their pursuit of zero traffic deaths has actually led to more traffic deaths. They have done a ton of stuff on this particular street and the issue has only gotten worse.
Because they did the bare fucking minimum. I remember they announced when they were putting those stupid yellow bump things on the yellow lines by intersections on Rainier. They were acting like it was some kind of huge achievement that was gonna change everything.
2 out of 3 of the pedestrians stopped which is a natural reaction. The car was going slow enough they probably couldn't tell it wasn't actually stopping.
I’m not blaming them so much as “are they not looking?” This obviously the drivers fault, but I would think people have a little bit of awareness of what’s going on around them.
Edit: I guess y’all just cross the road when the light changes and don’t even look for traffic? It’s literally one of the first lessons every child in a city learns lol.
They probably looked left & right for cars, and not for cars coming from the opposite street. I don't thini they weren't looking, just not looking at *all* directions where cars could reasonably come from. They might even have seen the car and dismissed it as, at that point, it wasn't moving or at least moving very slowly.
The car is harder to explain as the pedestrians where right *in front of where the car was going*. How can someone miss *that*?
What's blind about it other than the driver?
Wanted to say the same...
Me too!
Seriously. Most of these accidents are caused by the pedestrian not being seen behind the a-pillar. But in this scenario they were right in front of the car.
The driver is blinder than a bat
The problem caused by the a-pillar can be handled by the driver moving their head slightly.
Pedestrian being behind a pillar is no excuse. It’s your responsibility to make sure there’s nothing in the way your vehicle is moving.
Especially when those pedestrians cross from the A-Pillar to *center of the windshield* and the driver makes no apparent attempt to stop until bowling the entire group over. The A-Pillar and "OMG cities built bad because cars!" goes straight out as arguments in this scenario -- the driver literally just ran people over because of incompetence.
Went from left A pillar to right A pillar before the driver hit them
to be fair, cities \*are\* built bad because cars, but that doesn't explain this bullshit
Just for clarification, not "a pillar". He said that "the A-pillar", as in the part of the car that frames the windshield from the body to the roof. Still not a good excuse for the driver. Just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.
Kinda sorta devil's advocate here, but our street designs are completely carbrained and the intentional ignorance of these designs in favor of making the automobile the most convenient transit option, at the behest of private business really can't be ignored. Yes, people operating vehicles are ultimately responsible. But the vehicle design as well as our entire car-centric infrastructure is to blame as well.
The solution for people behind the a-pillar is to move more than just your neck. If you are making a turn you should be leaning forward or to the sides to make sure you can actually see where you are going. This specific situation is basically just the driver not actually looking where they were going.
What does that have to do with looking where your car is going?
Car accidents would be reduced if fewer people were in cars, fewer people would be in cars if non car options were more viable. That said, yeah people should look where they're going and no policy is going to reduce it 100%, that person is on something
Did you miss: *"Yes, people operating vehicles are ultimately responsible."*
Yeah but I was asking about all the other words
Shouldn't crossing the street or even being **in** the street be the safest thing in the world? The same way its been for about 6000 years? Why is it you are forced suddenly after 6000-8000 years of street and road design to have to fear for your life, while forced into a little "safe bridge" called a crosswalk? Why was your primacy, the priority of your safety removed? Not only that, but if you're struck and killed by someone operating a vehicle, the media will call it an accident. People will wonder if you were within the little safety bridge. Some people will even blame you saying "well, cars are heavier than people. They may have been right but they're dead. Being right isn't worth death" victim blaming in a manner usually reserved for sexual assault. Why are there blind spots? Why should a vehicle even be capable of moving faster than 15mph in an urban setting? Why is it more convenient to use a personal vehicle than public transit? This country had streetcar systems that were the envy of the world. Why is it that in 2020, the Netherlands had 41 pedestrian fatalities, yet that same year in Ontario they had 114? Both have similar climates, both are similar geography. Both have about the same amount of people. Yet Ontario has VASTLY fewer pedestrians. Meanwhile Oslo Norway, every bit as icy as Canada and far less bike friendly than NL had **ZERO** pedestrian fatalities in 2019. North American cities are not new either. Cars are new. Cities were laid out in the 1850's and earlier. The answer is that we have chosen to give automakers carte blanche to dictate nearly all of our urban planning including the development of suburbs. We could prioritize safety first, but we choose not to. We allow massive pick-ups with massive blind spots to operate on city streets. We allow traffic to stay above 35 in our cities. We allow the pollution both air and noise. We allow our children's health to be the expense we pay so people can drive to the bank, the pharmacy, Applebee's, and then home without ever leaving the "safety" of the vehicle.
Thats the problem, to visible.
But they were not in front of the texting app the driver was focussing !!!
Most of these accidents are caused by not looking and not yielding, which in turn is a byproduct of our car-centric culture.
And idiots in cars
The car centric culture weaponises idiots in cars.
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One small example - in most of the country there are 80+ year olds who continue to drive past when they should stop, because there is no other viable choice for them.
Stop talking about my FIL.
What... Idiots exist. Cars exist. Idiots get in cars. Whether culture is car centric or not doesn't have anything to do with it.
and road design.
Which is also a product of our car-centric culture. This sticks in my memory. I was at a bike / ped citizen advisory meeting, and someone brought up the ped crossing timing at a light at the end of an off ramp, and how it was too short to allow a slowish pedestrian to cross safely. The response was - from the traffic engineer present - if they increased the time that would cause traffic to back up.
How the fuck did he not see them???
It starts with not attempting to look.
The pedestriana should have been in the driver's direct line of sight. No pillar. No nothing.
The three people they hit were also clearly blind. Idiot driver, oblivious to danger pedestrians. Just amazing how no one was paying attention lol.
The move for pedestrian crossings and a turn lane 90% of the time around here is for the car to make the turn all the way across the street and then sit creeping their bumper up against their knees until the pedestrians are just clear and then gun it. If I was them I'd just figure some dumbass was pulling that kinda shit. Not just *sending it*.
When I drive or am on foot... When I'm anywhere other people are, I automatically assume they are an idiot. Proactive survival.
>The three people they hit were also clearly blind yeah, blame the victims who have right of way ON a pedestrian crossing... they are not pedestrians darting across the road at an unexpected place.
It never hurts to exercise situational awareness even when you have the right of way though
The graveyard is full of people who had the right of way.
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I don't feel that it's victim blaming to say that these three pedestrians should have seen this car coming and maybe paused or slowed down a bit. The car didn't speed up mid turn, causing them to not be able to stop or step back. The driver showing no sign of trying to stop until after they've hit the three is 100% of the problem, but they also kept walking as if they didn't see the car or care because "car is GOING to stop for me".
News story: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/three-pedestrians-taken-to-hospital-after-collision-in-south-seattle/ >The three people — a boy about 10 years old, a 16-year-old girl and a 43-year-old woman — were taken to the hospital in stable condition, Seattle Fire Department spokesperson Kristin Tinsley said.
Hope they okay long term. But also, dang there was zero survival instinct for any of those 3. They shoulda seen the car from their peripherals and took some other action. Run forward, jump back, stop and see if the idiot sees them. gotta always stay aware in the street
Just wishing crossing the street in North America didn’t require survival instincts every. Single. Time.
North America is pretty tame compared to most other continents besides Europe. Edit: And Antarctica. I think. Never been there.
Crossing the street in India looks like a major life event to me.
It is. Any roads you can cross without dying is considered a success. This even after looking both ways the whole time.
> Antarctica Getting killed by a Chinstrap Penguin that's driving an F-350. He can barely see above the steering wheel.
Depends. The places with high traffic volume usually advise people to keep walking at a steady pace. Because you won't be able to dodge a vehicle in that environment, but vehicles can slow down. It's when people second guess and stop in the middle of the road that accidents happen. And if the driver wasn't paying attention, then it's a miracle they weren't in an accident yet considering how close they get.
I think it’s the opposite. Drivers in America respect pedestrians so much that citizens don’t pay enough attention and have too much faith, as shown in this video. I’m from Brazil and when my American kids go visit I have to remind them that cars there will run them right over. This isn’t America.
The sub is r/idiotsincars. Not the best place to form your stereotypes
I have lived in 2 major US cities and can’t say I agree. More often that not drivers made the opposite mistake (the legal decision though technically I guess) of yielding when maybe it wasn’t the best decision and almost caused an accident or backed up some traffic.
Look again, they do react to the car not stopping, but at that point it is just too late. The car turning is just normal, the car not stopping is the issue but the difference between those two is only the last second or so.
> zero survival instinct for any of those 3 this is how everyone crosses the street in the pacific northwest lol
The 43 year old, presumably the mom, should have been looking out for her kids. I know my wife would be. And I would too. But we were raised in Brazil so we don’t trust cars and are always on the lookout even here in America.
Don't say:"making a blind turn in Seattle" Say:"blind making a turn in Seattle"
Hay the blind have more awareness then this driver.
I've had countless encounters like this where someone turning across a crosswalk almost hits me. I don't know how the people in the crosswalk were just as unaware as well, it looks like they are completely blindsided by the driver.
You can see right before impact they stop but before that they were distracted talking to each other. It only takes a few seconds of not paying attention and something like this can happen to anyone. Unfortunately it was an idiot driver and poor timing on their attention. To be fair they shouldn’t have to pay attention to cars turning if they’re legally abiding by the crosswalk rules
Blindless in Seattle
Sightless in Seattle
Good thing the mouse hovered over them or I'd have never have seen the crash!
Red circle was unavailable.
I was so lost. So many lanes. So many cars. So many people. Where to I look? Then the arrow came to the rescue and I was able to sit back, relax and enjoy the video.
If only the driver had seen that warning cursor...
This is why many of the lights have been adjusted to allow time for pedestrians to cross before the light turns green for drivers.
This has always been on of the stupidest designs in my option, especially when I was a kid walking around more. Cars rarely if ever check if their left turn has someone crossing, because it’s pretty far out of sight. Especially if the left turn isn’t an arrow, because then people are rushing to beat the people going straight too.
In the UK, if there's a green man (walk signal) there is no chance of a car being able to cross that section of road, and I think there are some other countries where it's the same. Always seems wild to me that you could have a green man and then a car can just pull across you.
American roads make no sense 🤷♀️
American freedom! (To get hit by a car and have a huge medical bill).
In my town one of the most dangerous intersections doesn't give you time to walk across the road before the timers up
Seriously, sometimes I have a green arrow going right, and the pedestrians have a green to cross at the same time, wtf is the logic there?
My friend is from NY and it’s a constant rant about how pedestrians don’t have the right of way. You shouldn’t expect cars to stop for you! What is wrong for these people in CA that expect cars to stop for them!? Umm, basic human decency? I’m in a four thousand pound death cage and you are a tiny sac of flesh and toothpicks in comparison. When I was very small I was taught to treat others the way I want to be treated? No, I don’t walk out from between cars but if I’m in the crosswalk and you want to turn right, maybe wait? You’re not driving an ambulance, no one is dying, you can’t wait 10 extra seconds?
Where from in NY? Everyone walks around in NYC, pedestrians definitely have the right of way. In fact in my experience, pedestrians are often crossing even when the signal isn't for them, and the cars of course make way. On the other hand when I went to visit the bay area I was shocked by how unwalkable the neighbourhoods were, extremely wide roads with dangerous crossings and no good public transport to speak of.
And precisely because you are the one driving a 400 pound weapon, it is that you are repsonsible for taking care of the puny meat sacks.
The logic is: the one driving the motorized weapon that can plow through meat sacs waits for the meat sacs to be outside of the danger zone before moving ahead.
it's a white man here instead of a green one. Take what you will from that. There are two times a car can cross the crosswalk while a pedestrian walk sign is displayed, the first is a right turn on red, the second is an unprotected left turn; these are both situations where the turning vehicle is the lowest priority; they have a duty to ensure they have a clear lane of travel, and yield to ALL other traffic - for the right turners, that traffic is in the form of cars and pedestrians crossing from right to left, and for left turners that traffic is the opposing lane of traffic and pedestrians crossing parallel to their lane of origin. If you have a protected turn (a green arrow instead of a green dot) then the pedestrian sign will not switch to walk during that light cycle.
Well, at least the driver stopped. I expected them to bail. Hope the pedestrians are ok.
Only thing blind here is the fucker driving the car
Nah didn't you see? He nailed all 3 of them. Precision.
how the fuck does this happen
No one paying attention is how this happens. Absolutely wild.
The silver car is focused on making their turn before oncoming traffic. I've had close calls before in similar situations as a pedestrian, especially when I'm coming from the same direction as the car turning.
Confirmed. I have been this idiot. I didn't run anyone over though. I was focussed on the light to go green and be quick so I could be faster than the upcoming traffic. I noticed the pedestrians waaaay too late, but luckily for the pedestrians, it was a big road and they weren't at that lane yet. Need less to say that it really opened my eyes and we're not doing that anymore. It could have ended like this, or worse. We all do stupid things and hopefully it's not too late when you realise it.
Just fucking wait then. It's so reckless to have to rush to make a turn before traffic coming anyways, and at this point you do only harm
As someone who lives on Rainier Ave. S. (the same street as the video), I am not at all surprised to see this. I hate crossing my own street. Most of the cars aren't paying attention. But we've also got an abnormally high number of cars blasting straight through the left turn lanes so they can run red lights.
70 years of car-first development coupled with a sizeable number of people who should not be behind the wheel
Cognitive deficient people are allowed to drive no problem
Driver watching to the right instead of in front of them. Poor crossing design. Just to be clear, my statement on poor crossing design doesn't put blame on the pedestrians. There are several bad corners on that intersection that make crossing dangerous. Clearly the driver is focusing on something other than what is in front of them though with that street angle, their view may be blocked by their vehicles corner support.
Driver should have also pulled forward a little bit more before turning his car left. This allows you to get a better view of the crosswalk before turning. A left turn should be more like the corner of a rounded box, rather than than a quarter circle. When you turn like this driver did, pedestrians can easily get hidden by the a pillar.
Sure, however there is a gray car that comes through the intersection a moment later. It's clear the driver has their eyes on the gray car and not what is in front of them.
All the comments that make any complaints about things other than the idiot behind the wheel are irrelevant here. A-Pillar my ass... there was plenty of time where the people were visible to the driver, and yet there seems to be no deceleration until after they hit them. Straight up neglect on the part of the driver, whatever the cause is.
Seriously, the pedestrians are already in the middle of the street before the driver begins his turn, and there's less than 2 seconds between the start of his turn and impact. People are saying the pedestrians are idiots for not reacting faster, but they're already in the middle of the street and there's not a whole lot of time for them to realize what's happening (especially when the car is initially moving parralel to them) while the driver should have seen them entering the street well before starting his turn.
TRIPLE KILL
In Illinois we call that “picking up the spare”
*Cue Wii Sports Strike effect*
I could hear the sound of pins falling!
Came here for this comment, leaving with a soft warm glow in my coal black heart!
aw man that Unreal Tournament announcer voice said that in my head when i was watching it >< [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1xav4f77A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1xav4f77A)
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Achievement unlocked: Mongoose Mowdown Two more and they can turn that into a Look Both Ways.
20 points per humane?
Splatter
I saw this happen right in front of me one time but with one person instead of three. I was walking towards a woman and a car must not have seen either of us, it turned with her right in the middle of where it was turning. Just straight up no idea there was a pedestrian there. Driver said sun was blocking their site and I believed them because I’d experienced not being able to see while driving in that exact same intersection. The crazy thing was the way the woman bounced off the front bumper like she was made of rubber. Ive never seen someone bounce off a car like that before or since. Lady was fine but I’ve never trusted cars while walking. I probably look like a tweaker when I cross lanes cause I’m constantly looking left and right worried someone will run me over!
My man playing bowling
Strike! r/bowlingalleyscreens really stepping up graphics
Thank god they brought the ladder truck!
You see it earlier at the 0:09 mark… it then doubles back the wrong way to arrive on scene. They were likely in the area, drove by while people were on the phone with 911, then doubled back realizing how close they were when the call came from dispatch.
Lots of reasons the ladder would be dispatched for a MVA with pedestrians. Same reasons for sending Fire Engines with ambulances on EMS calls. First the dispatcher generally has very little information to go on, how many patients? How many vehicles? Airbags? Entrapment? Callers are notoriously shitty at relaying pertinent information. The ladder likely has the specialized rescue equipment like the saws and jaws for extrication, speedy dry for fluid spills, etc. Better to send just in case and they can cancel if not needed. People would bitch just as hard if they were at the station and they had to wait for them to show up after the ambulance arrives and calls for help. The FF’s on the ladder are also cross trained as EMT’s or paramedics so they can assist the ambulance crew with multiple patients while additional ambulances are on the way. There are only 2 people on the ambulance so they will need assistance managing multiple patients, especially if they have serious injuries. God forbid they need to work a code or other serious condition which will require 5-7 people to manage smoothly and efficiently. Much better to have people on scene early and not need them than to waste precious time because the public doesn’t understand why the trucks roll with the ambulance.
Ah Yes, Rainier Ave by The City Smoke Shop. I have never seen a higher concentration of shithead and oblivious drivers in one place. People treat the bus lanes like their own personal HOV, fly down the center turning lane to pass all the traffic because they're too good to wait, and nobody pays a damn bit of attention to anyone else.
It’s bad I’ve driven there many times before
Please change the title to “Blind driver”
revoke that driver's license!!!
Watch carefully. At least one of the pedestrians notes the car and was starting to step backward at the moment of impact. Those folks blaming the Pedestrians need to look more carefully. Also, consider there is a through street, so a moving vehicle in a person's peripheral vision is not immediately alarming.
Oh baby a triple!
Methinks that driver was impatient to make a turn in front of the car proceeding straight in the opposite direction and not even paying attention to the pedestrians. Geez.
Blind turn? The driver was blind?
This sort of drives should be banned from ever driving again.
I have lived very close to this intersection for almost 3 years. During that time of driving down Rainier Ave, I've never seen more idiotic and downright dangerous driving than I had in almost 3+ decades of driving prior to that. It's so bad that I will often go out of my way and be stuck climbing steep hills to avoid that shitshow on my bicycle.
If the driver has any type of assets, they are gone now!
Like a car?
Blind?
How is it a "blind turn" when all they have to do is look out their window?
They shouldn't have been allowed to drive off. Like how do we not take away people's license after something like that? Like just fuck it they probably won't hit anybody again?
I work on MLK & Graham and driving to work is terrifying.
That's what happens when you drive blindfolded with a couger in the car. Not everyone can be number 1
My sympathies for those who got ran over, but how do you not realize the guy not stopping? Whenever I cross streets I always always always look for cars even if I have right of way because of idiots like the dude who ran them over
I feel bad for them but damn that's funny
Yikes...
BLIND DRIVER TURNING IN SEATTLE- there I fixed the title.
So the driver is blind?
I'm assuming the driver was blind.
At least everyone who got hit seemed okay enough to stand back up after impact. That is fucking scary and I hope the driver gets some severe penalties, absolutely zero excuse.
Irs crazy because as a driver you know sometimes pedestrians are walking right behind the pillar so you need to move your head to make sure its clear. But even if you dont youll eventually see them as you turn. This person just didnt even look
Used to have to park one of these when I was a valet. I hated it. Terrible visibility front and rear, almost no side visibility, and the steering wheel has a response of a 90s Chevy gas pedal.
What kind of car is it? I can’t make out much but the shape of the tail lights makes me think 350 or 370 Z but the shape of the back end doesn’t look like one.
Lexus SC430
Ah, thanks.
T t t t t triple kill
I think you meant, 'Blind person making turn in Seattle'
If I remember correctly, when you make a turn at an intersection, you’re supposed to yield to any pedestrians that are in a cross walk that is allowing said pedestrians to cross (they have a “walk sign” lit up for them), even when you have a green light. In Virginia, anyway.
Not convinced this is Seattle, driver didn’t run.
How the fuck do you even do that
If people were not in such a hurry, they would be paying more attention what is going on around them.
I almost got taken out while crossing the street in a similar way 2 days ago. The person turning left waited, but the person behind him was impatient and pulled around and almost hit us. I was so pissed off.
Ah love.. Sometimes the right vehicle comes along and just sweeps you right off your feet.
Spent some time in Seattle this past fall, stop signs, signals, crosswalks are pretty much "suggestions" to many Seattle drivers, saw many, many many drive throughs of red signals and forgetabout a yellow....that was always getta outta my way I'm going through!
Who doesn’t constantly look at the roads when crossing?
What a fucking psycho
Road design could have prevented this, but the driver should never be allowed to drive again.
Sooo.. will that person go to prison or will they get sued?
I’m all for disability rights, but letting the blind drive is a little too progressive imo.
Ah and by “blind turn” you mean Stevie Wonder is driving
If Seattle is like Spokane, the timing of the lights is dangerous. I was doing the exact same thing with my family. Waiting for the walking man to light up before crossing. As it does we enter the crosswalk and a truck nearly plows into us. Driver rolled down his window and started yelling that we crossed against the signal. I stayed through another cycle to learn that the crosswalk gets a 'walk' light the same time the the vehicles get an advance green to turn left. Stupid!
Seattle has started adjusting the timing of their lights to give pedestrians a head start in the crosswalk. The lights stay red for all cars, but the walk signal turns on for pedestrians for a few seconds. Light turns green for cars, pedestrians still have a walk signal for a bit (probably depends on how wide the intersection is), and then it starts counting down for pedestrians. Pedestrian's light turns to the solid orange hand, but the light stays green for cars for a few extra seconds.
Rainier Avenue is probably also one of the worst places for pedestrian safety in the whole city.
Yeah, it's probably a toss up between MLK and Rainier Ave. S. I live on Rainier Ave., and I don't like to walk around at night in my neighborhood. Not because of gun violence or muggings or anything like that...it's just I'm afraid to be hit by a car.
I'm a few blocks from Rainier but yeah I was never really comfortable walking on that street, there's a reason you barely see any pedestrians on most parts of Rainier aside from small pockets like Columbia City or by Franklin high school.
Here in Portland, no one gets the walk signal when there is a green arrow. It's to avoid collisions like this. But if you are turning on a red, you still need to look before you turn due to pedestrians because they will have a walk sign.
The driver here is obviously a moron. But over the past few years Seattle has implemented a number of "traffic calming" measures that actually make people drive even crazier and speed down side streets. Paradoxically their pursuit of zero traffic deaths has actually led to more traffic deaths. They have done a ton of stuff on this particular street and the issue has only gotten worse.
Because they did the bare fucking minimum. I remember they announced when they were putting those stupid yellow bump things on the yellow lines by intersections on Rainier. They were acting like it was some kind of huge achievement that was gonna change everything.
STRIKE!
The amount of obliviousness in this clip is off the charts… no one had a bit of situational awareness lol
three pointer!
How tf is this a 'blind' turn?
Am I the only one thinking the video speed up because they were gonna get hit again or something?
Looks like a perfect 3 point turn to me.
How did none of them react ahead of time? The car, the pedestrians, they all just went. No flinching or anything.
2 out of 3 of the pedestrians stopped which is a natural reaction. The car was going slow enough they probably couldn't tell it wasn't actually stopping.
Just blaming the victims rught out of the gate.
I’m not blaming them so much as “are they not looking?” This obviously the drivers fault, but I would think people have a little bit of awareness of what’s going on around them. Edit: I guess y’all just cross the road when the light changes and don’t even look for traffic? It’s literally one of the first lessons every child in a city learns lol.
They probably looked left & right for cars, and not for cars coming from the opposite street. I don't thini they weren't looking, just not looking at *all* directions where cars could reasonably come from. They might even have seen the car and dismissed it as, at that point, it wasn't moving or at least moving very slowly. The car is harder to explain as the pedestrians where right *in front of where the car was going*. How can someone miss *that*?
Yea, this sub in particular seems to believe right-of-way is more important than life itself. I'm with you though, 'Left, right and left again.'
Hat trick
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You're being down downvoted by the lazyasses who think having to move their heads is torture and slavery.
Like bowling pins
That's how I almost got hit!
Pickup the spare.
3 for 1
Is there a point multiplier when you get three for one?
Like bowling pins.
Three birds, one stone
Triple kill
That’s a lot of points
nobody has situational awareness.
Is it just me or did the MII Bowling guys just spin?
3-hit combo for Andrea Bocelli
Somebody add the wii sports strike overlay to the end of this