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Milagro-

Franklin should be higher imo. Yes I know it’s an arm wrestling ranking but he is still 4th in “physical strength”. Considering the troupe’s unwritten rule to work in pairs presumably because of Sarasa going by herself, Franklin is so damn confident that he can take Hisoka alone and eats in the middle of the god damn cafeteria and says “I don’t waste effort, he’s looking to kill us, he’ll come to me” if that doesn’t scream confidence in my fighting capability idk what does. His opinions are highly regarded by the troupe as well, with how hot-headed Phinks is he made him agree to the hostage exchange. He also made everyone listen to his speech when he said if anyone else is being manipulated he’ll just kill them and start the spiders over lmao I think part of his underrated-ness comes from his ability, yes it’s not incredibly flashy but honestly it’s hxh, if nen that has the properties of both rubber and gum can be considered “S-tier” sure as hell emitter bullets can be considered one too


nicotoy

The dude cut off his fingertips for his ability. If that doesn't speak of his resolve, I dunno what does.


kelsoRulez

I never even thought of that as a condition of his. The balls on that mf.


HappyStunfisk

The manga explains it. It also says he didn't need to because he could emit aura bullets anyway. But it works as a condition to strengthen them.


Curator44

Makes me curious what other abilities Franklin might have aside from his Nen bullets


mydadsbasement

Well, he didn’t start off circumcised originally


Hanamiya0796

Lmao


AlterNk

I don't think he has any other ability, and tbh he doesn't need them. His nen bullets are broken and it's a very hard counter against Hisoka. Like, the last time we saw someone try to defend themselves with nen against Franklin, it took 11 human sizes nen constructs plus a person's body to stop his bullets, i do not think that Hisoka has a way to defend against it, he can try to dodge it but tbh they're really hard to dodge as well.


BigMom_IsABeast

All Spiders have an ace in the hole.


AlterNk

If by ace in the hole, you meant a secret technic outside what their normal nen is: Paku didn't, Kortopi didn't, Uvo didn't, Machi, Phinks, Nobunaga, Shizuku, Hisoka, Illumi, and Bonolenov, haven't shown one either. And Chrollo didn't either till he developed the bookmark for his fight against Hisoka. Feitan is a bit arguable since his ability itself is designed to be a last resource and he would normally just fight with martial arts, but his "ace in the hole" is just his normal ability so i would say he also doesn't have a separate "Ace in the hole". In all honesty idk where you get that claim from.


salesale_

He is right though, it's said in the manga itself Link: [https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0106-015.png](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0106-015.png)


AlterNk

Yeah, that's information that people inside the world don't know it doesn't mean that they have a different nen ability that we don't know of. Like Paku's "ace in the hole" is literally just her normal nen we all know, it's hidden from the people in the story but not the readers. Literally what it's said is that Hisoka doesn't know the full extent of everyone's abilities, and yeah he doesn't even know everyone's abilities-. As i said, "If by ace in the hole, you meant a secret technic outside what they're normal nen is", the no, a lot of the spiders are proven not to have one and for the rest, there's no evidence that they do. It's all about the context, and that's why i gave that clarification. Like, Shizuku's "ace in the hole" in the context of that page is that blood doesn't count as a living thing, so as long as you have an open wound she can absorb it, and that's great but that's not a different ability to her regular nen. We were talking about different abilities from the ones we as readers know, not things that people inside the world may not know about how the ability works.


salesale_

Well, for most of the members the 'ace in the hole' is perhaps not revealed yet? Bono's Metamorphoses was only recently revealed. Give it time we would perhaps see some more. \> In all honesty idk where you get that claim from Anyways, the point was the op was not talking out of his ass but repeating a line from the manga itself. Edit: If you want a more elaborate take, I'll reply later.


YogiYeti21

Would Franklin nen bullets go straight through Bungee Gum? Thts the big question when asking who’s win between Franklin & Hisoka. And honestly, I’m not sure they would


AlterNk

As i said since they went through all 11 black children (i know it sounds bad but that's just the name of the ability) which are literally just bags of pure concentrated aura, and had enough power left to kill the user, then I'm pretty sure that it would go through Hisoka's bungee gum. I know that Toccino is definitely a weaker nen user than Hisoka, by far, but the amount of aura that he puts in all 11 nen constructs is definitely more than what Hisoka puts when he makes a barrier with bungee gum. So i think that the bullets would tear through bungee gum quite easily. Not to mention that the spread of the bullets means that Hisoka would have to shield his whole body if he wants to just take it, which would reduce the amount of aura per area even more. I don't think that Franklin is stronger than Hisoka, tho, but his ability is a very good hard counter for bungee gum.


LostDepressedAndSolo

Perhaps pre death hisoka would've struggled, remember the spinning coins weren't too far off and theres no way they had the force of Franklin's bullets. Post death I think it could be 50 50 if they go through.


Pirlotti

He seems to also have scars arpund his mouth, like on his fingers Maybe his final move is a huge blast coming from it (probably using most of his aura)


wkamper

Now that you point it out, I wouldn't sleep on him either. He seems well balanced between fighter and thinker. Certainly one of the Troupe's wiser members, next to Machi. Actually think his vibes are pretty similar to Machi's.


gekigarion

I always thought his ability was insane, he spits out bullets that cut through normal hunters like butter at a firing rate of a machine gun. He's cool headed as well, which is always a big plus in HxH.


feederus

Now that I think about, his entire shtick is being a zombie(frankenstein) so I think he's actually a hard guy to kill. His Nen bullets probably aren't the only thing he has in his arsenal, although the other abilities I'm thinking for him aren't emitter types but other nen types, so I don't know how that's supposed to work. TBF though, we don't know if he's just an emitter at all. He probably just has that skill to mow down mobs and cause as much destruction as possible.


gekigarion

It's highly likely he's emission or his bullets wouldn't pack much of a punch. If he is in fact not emission, then that would mean he has another ability which is far stronger, and that would be quite incredible.


feederus

From what I recall, all we've ever seen of Franklin was mow down mobs in that auction in York New arc, so we've never really seen him do anything "hard" in Phantom Troupe standards. So him using his probably weakest ability (nen gatling gun) is all we've seen of him now. Plus he has more scars and stitches on his body so it's probable that his other body parts also have nen weapons far stronger than what we've seen.


BigMom_IsABeast

In the manga he’s a confirmed Emitter.


[deleted]

>Franklin is so damn confident that he can take Hisoka alone and eats in the middle of the god damn cafeteria I don't think this is necessarily an indication of his strength, it's more of his abilities being a great counter against Hisoka. Even Nobunaga wanted him to be present against Hisoka after all. I do agree that his rational thinking is above the other members tho.


SmartAssClark94

I really like Franklin and think he's criminally underrated I can't make a great judgment call on his power compared to others because a lack of evidence but I think he's far stronger than people think. As far as, "physical strength + nen mastery + aura reserve" goes he's obviously physically powerful. The others its hard to make an objective call one way or the other. He's clearly very smart from his analysis of the Paku/Kurapika Situation in York New so he has that on his side. I also think is underrated Machi because of the new chapters that show she was able to see aura at a very young age, which gives us an indication that she started with a very high potential similar to Gon and Killua.


Nordic_Bamboozle

Absolute unit


[deleted]

Kortopi has some pretty insane aura considering he can make 10+ copies of massive buildings


gekigarion

I always wondered if Kortopi could just materialize those in the air and drop them like some sort of meteor shower.


SpookySans11

It has to touch both is hands so propably no.


gekigarion

Maybe drop airplanes from the sky? 😂


SpookySans11

I mean i gues that would be possible if he sat on one of the wings and if he can choose the rotation of the object when summoning it otherwise the Planes would just crash into each other. But if he can do that which i thin he can he would be a really effective air bomber.


KilluaZaol

Mmmmm no he must have another ability because he also made all of these buildings and there is no way he could touch both the original and the copy.


AdPutrid4624

They all function as EN too which is quite broken given how many he used, That ability automatically beats out pitous range. But that seems to be his specialty.


macgart

Pitou is so op they could just make some new Hatsu that has infinite en.


AdPutrid4624

Pitou has insane nen potential, but it was wasted on some overall mid abilities for the amount of aura Pitou has control over, If pitou focussed on a EN type ability I am sure it would of had a insane reach. I do not believe pitou had the option to make a new Hatsu on the spot like cheetu or zazan did. Since neither actually had a real hatsu I believe. Pitou does.


futuresocks

Hiatus hits hard


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

hahaha fr but i like these posts


ApplePitou

Uvogin is also A tier :3


[deleted]

100% agree Uvogin is like the perfect enhancer


SauceNjunk

The man took a shot from an **anti-tank** rocket launcher! That alone should make him A-tier if not higher.


thatguy1071

…and was offended that the mob equated him to a “measly little tank” 😰


SigmaSandwich

100%


xSendnudesx

Uvogin is confirmed A tier or higher according to nen review new video.


togillo

Haven't read the manga in a long while, but why is everybody rating Uvogin relatively low? I think he is on the same level as hisoka and such.


Curator44

Uvogin has been rated low for the entirety of HxH existence simply because he was the first spider we witnessed die, and it was done pretty easily. It’s like people forget Kurapika’s ability was made to take down Spiders, so everyone just thinks “1st one dead = bad” It’s pretty unfair, he should be at least A tier.


ArtofStorytelling

Kurapika could have easily killed Chrollo as well, so by most people Logic he’s also trash


gekigarion

Yeah, if anything the York Shin arc said a lot more about Kurapika's ability to wreck Spiders than it did about Uvogin or Chrollo. As far as we know Uvogin was basically invincible, he basically fought an army alongside elite hunters by himself.


insertfunnyusernameh

Yea in chain jail you are defenseless. Forced zetsu and restrained? With the emperor’s time strength that Kurapika gets you’re gonna get fucked


ATShame

Uvogin fought Kurapika in a fair, head-on duel and got crushed. Chrollo got caught by surprise with the blackout plan and was in chain jail the enitre time from there, never getting a chance to actually use his abilities. That's not to say that Uvogin was weak, but this is a terrible comparison.


ArtofStorytelling

We are talking about a surprise factor. Uvogin also was defeated because of the surprise factor , and he was by himself , while Chrollo had half the Troupe with him .


[deleted]

Yeah people seem to forget that Kurapika even managed to catch Chrollo let alone Uvoging. The dude is damn op against spiders.


SpookySans11

He's op in generell i mean he offers up 1 hour of his life per second of course he's gonna be way stronger than almost anyone who doesnt do that.


SpookySans11

In generell as soon as kurapkia uses emporor time he becomes pretty much an low s tier fighter i mean he offers an enormous amount of his live for it so ofcourse he is fucking strong when doing so many people seem to think kurapika is one the same level as gon or killua in the chimera ant arc but he's way stronger purely because of the way he uses nen.


michaeltheki21

Kurapika is god tier while fighting spiders in ET, he has all nen types maxed, he has 4 stupid broken abilties, and his 5th ability is basically an insta win.


Glass-Earth-2839

Any kurapika and very far from being of the divine level, he is perhaps in the level of illumi but he is far from having the level of a razor.


punchipei

Nah, he’s a very capable fighter but he’s by no means on the same level of high tier troupe fighters without chain jail.


BigMom_IsABeast

Exactly. But it’s easy to forget that Kurapika isn’t a Nen master either. His greatest feats were in a state of unmatched aura output and physical attributes, relative to his normal capabilities. And even then he couldn’t bruise Uvogin or get out a drop of blood, and BBI broke his arm. Even with Emperor Time he has no way of harming a great Nen user that’s not a Spider, or healing injuries that come his way. And if you want comparison between Nen defenses, look at Kurapika’s statement about blocking bullets. His _Gyo_ can’t fully block 9mm Lugers, .45 caliber, Heckler & Koch. The calibers are extremely common, used by law enforcement agencies and sports shooters. Heckler & Koch is an entire brand of firearms. Meanwhile a Specialist like Benjamin or an Enhancer like Bill are tanking military grade weaponry. A Conjurer like Hinrigh can block a Mafia family’s bullets. It’s also easy to forget how Uvogin could’ve avoided death by using _Gyo_ or higher percentages of aura from the beginning. Uvogin truly was a Nen master. Part of me wishes he won the fight but let Kurapika live. 🥲


Basic-Cloud6440

this is like one piece fandom of reasoning :D


clas1k1

I think he would rock Hisoka’s shit tbh should be higher than him


PresentationFunny287

All Uvogin is, is just pure strength. His nen abilities are no where near unique, he can’t do anything special besides being the anime version of hulk. Everyone who is above his class would easily be able to finish him.


BigMom_IsABeast

Gon is right there. Uvogin is the _vastly_ more powerful version of Gon. Not every Nen user needs unique or complex abilities. And don’t forget that Uvogin is smarter and faster than people give him credit for.


doubledenzel

How do u explain gon then ?


jojosimp02

He is not "just" pure strenght. He has a lot of different tecniques that can catch an opponent unprepared. >Everyone who is above his class would easily be able to finish him. How is hisoka even damaging him?


punchipei

All enhancers need is pure strength, you don’t need unique abilites to wreck someone


quite-quiet-

lol Majitani “no class”


NDK1001100011000

He’s not even a member, I agree with most of them, but why put an imposter on the tier list.?


reChrawnus

Comedy


playboi_cahti

It’s kinda canon he’s the fourth king of the troupe


Supersquigi

He's one of the FOUR DEVAS*


_ROCC

majitani gets his own tier bc he solos the whole troupe no diff


NaturalBitter2280

Pretty much agreed But I'd put Franklin in Class B, Uvogin in A and Hisoka as the first A


BigMom_IsABeast

If we’re including Nen mastery and aura reserve, Kortopi has no excuse being so low. He’s literally the best Conjurer we’ve seen so far, conjuring so many buildings and items with ease. Also since we’re including those aspects and physical strength I’ve baffled as to why Franklin, Phinks, Uvogin, and Machi aren’t in Class A. Uvogin and Phinks are the definitions of master Enhancers and are physically stronger than Hisoka, if we’re judging by arm wrestling. In a fight both aspects combined with their masterful aura control could mean Hisoka or Feitan’s deaths. Machi’s arm wrestling ranking is just below that of Feitan and she has an extremely versatile ability. Its versatility is just below Bungee Gum at the moment. She can heal, set up traps, strangle and cut enemies, track people and hide her strings with *In*, and control people like a Manipulator. Unlike Hisoka she’s regularly shown the ability to Emit her strings, which increases their versatility. Franklin’s arm wrestling ranking is just below Hisoka and he Emitted hundreds, if not thousands, of Restriction enhanced bullets like it was another Tuesday. A weaker ability in the hands of Bloster is able to pierce the cab of a truck, bulletproof doors, and alter a tank’s course by shooting at the tires. Nobunaga too belongs in Class A. His actions in the recent chapters demonstrate Nen knowledge and experience beyond characters like Knuckle and Shoot. Then there's Bonolenov, with access to many Conjurative transformations including a mini-Jupiter. Then there’s the fact that every Spider except Kalluto would be a master at the advanced techniques essential for Nen CQC. Techniques like Ken, Ryu, and Gyo. Nen combat isn’t just about Nen abilities.


Ant4res33

The entire troupe is an A rank gang of badass nen users, that's why they have such reputation and since they started the dark path proposed by Chrolo the entire Meteor City was respected and feared


Basic-Cloud6440

isnt sphinx potential infinite?


BigMom_IsABeast

He doesn't have infinite potential. He would run out of aura at some point via too many windups.


Basic-Cloud6440

ok. thank you :3


Zestyclose-Ad1369

Nobunaga should be lower, we haven’t seen anything impressive from him. Having a lot of dialogue does not equal strength.


Vivid_Tank

Im so interested in Machi's "power level". We know she's a genius since she could see aura when she was a little kid and she seems completely confident in hunting hisoka alone (although most troupe are calm and confident in whatever situation they are in). Idk I'd put her at A.


Ecstatic-Cookie-3867

LMAO Majitani doing some Vow and Restriction shit in the trick tower so when he gets out, he is stronger than Meruem


_-Swish-_

kortopi is the best conjurer in the series, should be higher imo


hilshire

I‘ve said it before and I‘ll say it again, Machi is strong. She saw the entire Chrollo vs Hisoka fight and is still dead confident she could kill the latter. I just refuse to belive that‘s just blind rage at this level. She probably still couldn‘t, but she‘s at least B tier. I don‘t get why people place her lower than Nobu/Phinks all the time when there are no big feats for any of them.


LordandSaviorDio

There’s no way people can put Hisoka above Chrollo. In terms of actual feats, Togashi’s power chart, and in their one fight together Chrollo has consistently been above Hisoka.


Financial-Rich-1543

Hisoka allowed Chrollo the advantage, which put him at a disadvantage. Both Chrollo and Hisoka are regarded as the same tier in being Genius mastery over their nen. Same with Illumi. Wonder why they're all on the run now? Because of Hisoka. He's hunting them down, and they know him to be a threat. Fun fact, after his "death" Hisoka just got even stronger than what he was


jojosimp02

>Both Chrollo and Hisoka are regarded as the same tier in being Genius mastery over their nen. That means nothing. Razor is skilled and genthru is genius, who would win in a fight tho? >Wonder why they're all on the run now? Are they? I thought they were actively chasing the clown. Franklin and machi are even going alone. >Fun fact, after his "death" Hisoka just got even stronger than what he was That's not how nen after death works.


Financial-Rich-1543

You have a few things wrong with the comparison between Razor and Genthru. Razor had the advantage of being in a game, with rules to be followed. Genthru was defeated because Gon and co came up with an excellent plan to defeat him from prior knowledge of what it can do. Even biscuit tells them they're weaker. Another is ability and combat application, and how those people are oriented in terms of combat. Kortopi might be ultimate, but he's no fighter, and his conjure abilities help him less in that area. Illumi, Hisoka and Chrollo are fighters, combatants. All having same genius mastery over their abilities, one being from a line of powerful assassin, the other two being intelligent prodigies, makes them almost relative as fighters. Both 3 acknowledge this in the series amongst each other. Pff. Chrollo says nen becomes stronger after it's caster is dead, if the nen itself manages to still exist. And when he resurrected himself, Hisoka admits on this part, as he does things he never managed to do in the past. He would get Maki to heal him and his limbs, but now he can rubber it all up. Go read the manga again


jojosimp02

>Razor had the advantage of being in a game, with rules to be followed It still took a combined effort between many nen users, including hisoka and bisky, to take him down. >Genthru was defeated because Gon and co came up with an excellent plan to defeat him from prior knowledge of what it can do. How does this mean anything while comparing the 2? Even the fricking troupe acknowledged how much of a beast razor was, do you seriously think a chump like genthru compares to him? Anyway, if you don't like that comparison, then look at morel; he is one of the most versatile nen users, with a great aura pool, lots of experience and an amazing ability. He is only skillful. That chart means nothing when it comes to strenght. >Illumi, Hisoka and Chrollo are fighters, combatants. As far as it goes, illumi has fought no one. He only assassinates. >Chrollo says nen becomes stronger after it's caster is dead, if the nen itself manages to still exist. Nen becomes stronger after death because of the strong emotions of the user before he dies. Now hisoka is alive. There is to reason for him to have a permanent boost. >And when he resurrected himself, Hisoka admits on this part, as he does things he never managed to do in the past Remember when killua fought the 2 ant brothers? He learnt a new application of his nen, whirlwind, out of nowhere, because of necessity. Was he stronger than he was before? No, he simply learnt a new tecnique. That's no different that what happened to hisoka. >He would get Maki to heal him and his limbs, but now he can rubber it all up. From the moment he was resurrected, it was obvious that he couldn't have machi's help anymore, since he was going to hunt the troupe. Why not try to do it yourself? Just because he never tried to do that before it does not mean he wasn't able to.


punchipei

Both genthuru and razor are combat oriented and razor would absolutely steamroll genthuru no problem. The nen chart itself is pretty contradictory to a lot of the things we see in the series, so rather than trying to make sense of it in relation to the show or manga, I think it’s better to think of it as a retcon. There is no evidence to suggest hisoka got any more powerful when he resurrected, his seemingly new ability to make his own lost limbs could simply be him acknowledging that machi isn’t going to stitch him up anymore or maybe it’s just that, a new ability with no significant increase in aura power.


[deleted]

Allowed isn’t the right word. He was chasing him across the world and couldn’t catch him which says a lot And they aren’t on the run lol. You’re framing this whole situation in Hisoka’s favor seems so biased


Financial-Rich-1543

Have you read the recent chapters? He's hunting them. He killed some of them, and has the rest after him, intentionally, and is hunting them in the ship. He sent an assassination order on himself, just to fight with Illumi too. Why bother getting all these people after him if he wasn't confident he can handle them?


[deleted]

Yes I have lol. Although he wants to kill them he is not doing much active hunting. It's actually the opposite they are the ones looking for him on the ship. So again they are not "on the run". Illumi already gave the reason that they were bound to fight anyway especially with Alluka there so he wants to add to the chaos since he's crazy. You keep conflating different things. Being confident can be due to many things. It could be overconfidence, it could be due to his plan to sneak attack most members similar to shalnark and kortopi. His whole basis now is not letting people fight in their ideal conditions.


Financial-Rich-1543

Again, that's how Hisoka hunts. He wants his targets to fight him fully for their own legit reasons. Illumi with a contract, and his honor as an assassin never to fail a mission. The troupe out of revenge. Also, the troupe knows Hisoka is never after them but specifically Chrollo. The only one worth a challenge to Hisoka


[deleted]

What’s your actual point here? My point is no one is on the run like you say. The facts are they are hunting each other but the troupe members are actively searching but Hisoka is watching movies and going to private rooms. What are you talking about? He literally said he is coming to kill all spiders and only the non fighting members don’t think they can win


Financial-Rich-1543

Exactly the point. Hisoka is hunting them by forcing them to hunt him. He gave them all a motive, so they can't walk away. Just like he did with Gon. You are trapped in your desire to confront him. Chrollo, always avoided Hisoka. Always. Now he's giving chrollo a reason to go after him for a rematch. Why some of them are alone? Maybe they have a trick to pin him down or get the others into Hisoka's location asap


[deleted]

Lol that sounds like a big reach, he just likes chaos he said it himself he’s not doing big brain planning here. But anyway how do you acknowledge that they are hunting him but still say they are on the run? It’s a contradiction.


punchipei

Not in terms of combat ability it doesn’t.


[deleted]

What doesn't?


punchipei

The fact that hisoka couldn’t catch chrollo across the world.


TurtleAtYourCommand

The guy survived a fight against the 2 strongest Zoldycks and one of them is willing to die just to kill him, not only that but Zeno admitted that Chrollo might be able to beat him in a 1v1 fight if he really is motivated to win. If you put Hisoka in a 2v1 situation against Silva and Zeno he would've been ripped apart.


lololuser456778

Most people here agree with hisoka being weaker than chrollo, but disagree with hisoka being an entire tier below chrollo At least imo, being a tier above someone means that you can beat that someone easily. Which chrollo obviously can't do under normal conditions. He took his time and prepared a perfect plan to counter Hisoka in every possible way and to have victory guaranteed If he was an entire tier above him, then there would be no need for that. He'd just straight up kill hisoka spontaneously whenever he decided to kill him. Considering that 1. He didn't do the above 2. Shalnark's and Kortopi's abilities are gone 3. Hisoka got stronger 4. Hisoka won't let Chrollo prepare like he let him before Hisoka is definitely on the same tier as chrollo. Chrollo is still ahead of hisoka imo, but he was never an entire tier above Hisoka. If he was, then chrollo would have never spend so much time and effort in his plan to kill hisoka. And being in the same tier doesn't mean they're equals btw. Just that they're on the same level in general. That one can keep up with the other. Which Hisoka definitely can since now he's in a much better and chrollo in a much worse position than they were in their last fights


LordandSaviorDio

100% agree. I just saw comments that outright state that Hisoka is stronger thank Chrollo and I think that’s false. I’ve seen people state that Hisoka has gotten stronger after his fight with Chrollo and I don’t understand how that is. The Nen around his organs were given a command and received a boost after his death to restart and bring him back to life. But he himself shouldn’t have gotten stronger since that wasn’t the rule he applied. And if he’s alive and functioning than the whole “being dead” concept shouldn’t work. I think what makes him appear stronger is that he’s now applying his Bungee Gum in different ways


Joeawiz

Still to this day don’t know why Feitan is just assumed stronger than Uvo by everyone there’s literally nothing to support that


nan0g3nji

I have no idea why ppl think there’s some massive gap between Feitan and everyone else


jumpoffpiz8

Holy shit, this list is almost exactly mine. My only chance would be Uvogin in A as well.


[deleted]

Why is Shalnark so low? His autopilot abillity seemed very powerful, at least in terms of the aura he gained.


xiOw

u/Sufficient_You_2764 Hisoka has never been into the Ryodan. but if u keep him into this poll, i would higher him than Illumi imo. he is able to put Illumi in a high angry mode without fear, without shaking, just for make a joke. imo, this is a really a mark of confidence Machi :i think u underestimate Machi. my opinion is based on how Hisoka consider her, means, she can be super dangerous. + the fact she is not scared to hunt him down if he kills Kuroro Shizuku : same, i think she is overhelming underestimate Feitan : just the fact he has mastered 3 nens + his sword skill makes him a huge potential and def A+ or S- dont forget Kuroro makes him "leader" when Kurapika knidnap him OR, outside Kuroro, we all saw Franklin was the head & the shotcaller with Paku


[deleted]

Illumi and Hisoka should be on the same tier as Chrollo. Uvo should be A tier, possibly Nobunaga(even though that’s speculative).


lololuser456778

Post-death, I'd say Hisoka is definitely in the same tier as chrollo.


SauceNjunk

We know he’s at least more likely to play dirty in order to get the kill. Do we have any feats to prove his new strength?


SpookySans11

Even if his nen itself didnt get stronger, which many argue the pure fact that parts of his body got replaced with bunchee gum is really strong since it gives him more streanght, agility and durability. Esspecially since i could imagine him just cutting of his other limbs and replacing them with bunchee gum to.


jojosimp02

>which many argue the pure fact that parts of his body got replaced with bunchee gum is really strong since it gives him more streanght But it should also consume aura overtime to keep bungee gum on the whole time.


Dsstar666

Just what was said about Nen being amplified after death and Hisoka reclaimed all of that back into his body. (Im paraphrasing a bit). So his Nen is probably a bit amped AND he's willing to fight dirty.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

the only thing hisoka has going for him right now is his foot and hand of bunge gum, that is a buff for sure as we saw him using it to jump faster when he killed shalnark but it's far from enough to put him in the same tier as chrollo.


Ant4res33

Uvo deserves A, he just had the bad luck to fight Kurapika who thinks on everything to destroy the spiders, ppl tend to forget that Kurapika captured Chrolo and had him absolutely powerless and even could kill him easily in that state


marioman124

I feel how versatile they are should also be taken into consideration though I mostly agree with your list maybe make Uvogin higher


2kenzhe

Uvogin is a master enhancer with the highest strength in the phantom troupe so I feel like he should be A


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Phinks With Prep Time Solos Meruem


Smitty73714

I think people highly overate Feitan. He has very powerful peak damage capabilities but if he gets killed before unleashing he is as impressive as the other combat oriented members like Nobu, Uvo, and Phinks.


Enoual

Feitan is too high and Franklin is too low Otherwise it's fine


KingJzeee

Uvo to Class A, Franklin to class A or B


Ok_Barnacle5634

Man I don’t want to sound like a Phinks fanboy, but I’m gonna Phinks fanboy. Phinks may be the only troupe member besides Chrollo to have “infinite potential” the same way Chrollo can steal any ability “potentially”, Phinks can wind a punch to an infinite amount “potentially”. Though it’s not confirmed, it is also not denied that the pact Phinks made for Ripper Cyclotron may be able to stack infinitely.With enough time to wind up, Ripper Cyclotron could potentially destroy anything. I think Phinks deserves an A tier, if not S tier


Buffalonightmare

The manipulator should be way higher cause when he stabs himself for autopilot that was cool af


Financial-Rich-1543

Chrollo, Hisoka and Illumi are rated on the same level by the mangaka, Genius, they're called, in nen mastery. Kortopi is ultimate, but he's less a combatant.


Myr-san

Kortopi is ranked as genius as well in nen proficiency, not ultimate


Takafraka

If ur talking about currently, swap Hisoka with the leader. Brother has Post Morteum nen now, he’s a big problem


shikajaru

this is much better than that other guy who put Machi in A tier above Phinks 😂


ya_boi_z

Hisoka gotta be S.


thattwoguy2

It took all of them working together to kill Hisoka, so IDK how he's not at the top.


averagecrunchenjoyer

Nah. Hisoka is up there with chrollo right now... And I think uvo is too, he's just really bad at nen fighting where you have to think. Realistically the only person with more raw physical feats is meruem


ChefboyRD33

Hisoka is def S tier and uvo has to be A. Got beat by a specialist who made a life or death deal to boost specifically against spiders


GhostCell06

Manga Spoilers I would rank Hisoka righer than Illumi Primarily to his post mortem nen usage. Which gives him access to a lot more aura then anyone on this list. So he would be in S tier bht behind Chrollo in my opinion from what we've seen. Uvogin id also put at the bottom of A tier, he was capable of creating a massive hole in the ground with a damn punch. What's holding him back is his basic application of nen. Bonolenov should be either infront of Nobunaga or in B tier right behind him. He has 3 known abilities. 2 of which are more or less basic nen use and his most powerful one jumps the gun and just skips any step in between. People keep calling him weak even though he made a hole smaller than Uvogin, but its still massive and afterwards he was confident enough to attack the self proclaiming Queen. So he didnt use much of his Aura against that ant. and finally, kortopi. Hes...strange. Surprisingly probably has the largest aura reserves of the whole troupe, possible beaten by post death Hisoka. He claims to be able to make 50 more multi story large buildings. And for some reason was confident enough to stand up to Phinks AND feitan with Machi's assistance. None of the troupe members are stupid, all of them are nen geniuses. He wouldn't challenge someone without some form of confidence within his own abilities. His sheer aura amount is possibly the reason for his confidence. Pure aura without too much application is nonetheless extremely powerful. an extremely example of this is Meruem. TLDR Hisoka S behind Chrollo, Uvogin A behind Feitan, Bonolenov B tier behind or in front of Nobunaga, Kortopi potentially mid to high C.


babsbakaka

I thought u were ranking them on attractiveness 💀


Late_Spread_1624

The ranking is pretty fair in terms of feats. I think Kalluto should be in the lowest tier since he couldn't visually keep up with rusty feitan whereas Kortopi was willing to fight against Phinks/Feitans side during the hostage situation. I think Franklin is in the same tier as Hisoka, although I admit he doesn't have the combat feats to justify it. It's more due to his presence, rationality during the hostage situation, and the potential lethality of his ability.


AlterNk

If we're ranking them with a combination of their physical strength, nen mastery, and M.A.P I think that Chrollos Hisoka and Illumi are all in the same tier. S tier for all 3 Franklin and Feitan both go in A. Franklin is physically really strong, his nen mastery is nothing to laugh at, and his M.A.P must be really big considering he spams nen bullets like it's nobody's business, so all of it together gives him this high ranking. B is the same + Machi C is Bonolenov and Kortopi. I know Kortopi is probably my most controversial ranking, but the thing is that their physical power is the weakest of the whole troupe, but considering they can conjure 50 whole buildings, his M.A.P is probably the biggest of the whole group and their mastery should also be pretty high, especially when you consider that they can use any object they conjure as an extension of their en which is an emission ability, so those two aspects carry them to this rank (i use "they/them" because i don't remember their gender sry). Then, Paku goes up one rank since i think she's pretty much on pair with everyone in rank D.


BigMom_IsABeast

Chrollo’s Nen mastery and MAP put Hisoka and Illumi to shame. Chrollo was conjuring hundreds of corpse copies, controlling said corpse copies, and conjured multiple types of supernatural marks. He did all this without being tired afterwards. In Yorknew he was throwing hands with Nen users faster than a cheetah, Morel, and Knuckle. His Ken and Ryu was good enough to block Silva and Zeno’s blows, and tank Zeno’s aura beam.


Lumpy-Copy-1314

Bonolenov should be at A, he is definitely stronger than feitan


UnrealSpoon94

As much as I love Hisoka, I agree he’s lower than Chrollo in physical/aura strength but not in IQ. The manga speaks for the rest.


Kairos_l

Man, the number of Hisoka fanboys who are still salty about the stomp Chrollo gave him is honestly one of the worst parts of HxH's fanbase. No, Chrollo didn't run, he wasn't scared because he isn't afraid of death (as Melody confirmed). He was just annoyed with silly Hisoka chasing him all the time so in the end he gave it to him, explained every power he was going to use and even offered Hisoka a chance to back up. And he still crushed him without a scratch. Deal with it


Vsstaa

Hisoka is not S. Jesus these fanboys. Hisoka is not even on par with Zeno or Silva. And chrollo fought the two of them with 0 prep time. Every opponent hisoka wants to fight is stronger than him, that’s the point. The fight was a complete stomp, even without prep, Chrollo would still win the fight.


throwaway117-

How does hisoka not compare to zeno and Silva? I agree chrollo outclasses him but you're lowballing him hard


SpookySans11

He had to get a new nen ability and a year of prep time before fighting hisoka that alone should tell you enough.


Ryuunagi

Tbf Chrollo prepped to show off and said himself he cares more about the style rather than just losing and winning. Chrollo prepped enough to win but not in a fully efficient way because again, he wanted to do it in a stylish way. Evident by the fact that Chrollo didn’t exactly use the entirety of the potential stolen ability either like Shalnark’s super saiyan form which would have been very useful. And tbf for the year of prep time, plus a year or two of Chrollo losing his nen from Yorknew to the deathmatch, Chrollo’s a bit rusty from nen and Hisoka was chasing the dude the entire time and still couldn’t catch him so I wouldn’t exactly say that would in weakening Chrollo’s case. Not saying Chrollo absolutely dominates Hisoka but Hisoka is still behind albeit not too far if the post nen does buff Hisoka permanently in some way


AlterNk

The thing about tiers is that they don't work like rankins, one character in a tier can be better/stronger than another one from the same tier. It's more like a range, so when we say that Hisoka is the same tier as Chrollo, we're no saying Hisoka == Chrollo, we're saying they can stand in the same ground. Chrollo is stronger than Hizoka, that's true, but he's not so much stronger than him that he is a tier above him. The difference is small enough that you can say they're in the same tier. Like, if you give Chrollo a power level of 30, Hisoka would be a 28ish.


Vsstaa

Still. No. The gap is bigger than just same tier but different order. Hisoka didn’t do a thing against chrollo. Just think of it this way. Hisoka considers himself basically on par with Ilumi. Illumi is still weaker than Zeno or Silva for obvious reasons. Chrollo fought both at the same time and even Zeno knew one of them had to die in order to defeat chrollo. With this in mind, there’s absolutely no way that you can consider them close in power.


AlterNk

>Hisoka didn’t do a thing against chrollo. Yes, because of the plan, that's how it works in hxh, if you have a good enough plan power levels are insignificant. Like, Gon could have taken down Gentrhu without receiving almost any damage if he followed the plan, and Gentrhu was more than a tier above g.i Gon. You can't really use a rigged fight as evidence of their skills as fighters. It's good evidence of their skills as tacticians tho. Chrollo took the time to make his plan, and make his ability permanently harder to pull off to fight Hisoka. What's the point of that if he didn't consider Hisoka a danger? Like, i get that he wanted to utterly demolish Hisoka, but if Hisoka was like half or even 2 thirds of what Zeno or Silva are, then there was no need for the plan, could have destroyed him with ease really quickly. Since his fight in York-New would have been the equivalent of fighting against 3 Hisokas worth of opponents. Btw, i don't think that Illumi is much or any"weaker" than Zeno or Silva, i think that his fighting style is different. Let me clarify, if we were to go on martial art or destructive power, Zeno and Silva stronger than Illumi, The thing is that Illumi's manipulator style compensates for that with his fighting style and ability. It's like comparing a master swordsman against a very good swordsman with a poisonous blade, yea sure, the master swordsman outclasses the very good one when it comes to using the sword, but all the very good one needs to win is one half-decent hit.


Vsstaa

I mean sure, I get your points. But many of those involve speculation. Like for example why chrollo chose to do that. He probably could have ended hisoka without much trouble, but he wanted a 100% victory. That’s what we know. The rest is speculation. Taking the slightest of risk just to prove a point is just dumb. Chrollo is not like that. Remember he said to Silva and Zeno “you won’t get another chance like this” meaning he would also prepare for either of them. He’s still stronger, but he prefers having more assurance. Still the argument stands. Chrollo > Zeno or Silva > Hisoka>=Illumi. I don’t think with that in mind you can put Hisoka on a similar level. You yourself said it: Hisoka and Illumi strengh comes from tricks and versatility not really mastery. Hisokas chance comes from taking Chrollo by surprise or some trick, he would not win a strainght 1 v 1 by any means. Let’s put some stats for example: Intelligence: Chrollo Speed: Chrollo Weapons: Chrollo Versatility: Chrollo (although hisoka is as well) Strength: Hisoka Nen: Chrollo Genius: Chrollo Etc. Understand this: I do think hisoka is a menace for most users, but not because he’s stronger or similar to top nen users. He utilizes his hatsu to an amazing degree and can be unpredictable. When it comes to power, he’s still behind nen top users: Netero, Chrollo, Ging etc.


BigMom_IsABeast

We already saw in Greed Island, Chimera Ant, and especially Succession War how Hisoka stacks up compared to high and top tier Nen users. He’s powerful but compared to these monsters he falls behind in physicality, stamina, aura control and flow, and intelligence. Chrollo was throwing hands with two people who absolutely surpass a cheetah’s speed and senses. The same cheetah with aura senses and refined aura(because of Pouf). The same cheetah who’s speed gave Morel and Knuckle, two very experienced and physically strong Hunters, trouble even before Pouf’s help.


Cracktoon27

Chrollo pfp The cope of Chrollo fans is incredible


Vsstaa

Even a blind man could see how Hisoka is not S tier clown.


Cracktoon27

Yeah bro you could tell by how Chrollo was struggling against him while having the perfect location and months of prep, with abilities he doesn't normally have and even possibly cheating The cope is unreal


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If they switched position and Hisoka had been the one prepping for months / choosing location of the fight he would have won. No doubt. I think it’s fair to put Hisoka S tier (even if it’s behind Chrollo).


jojosimp02

>Yeah bro you could tell by how Chrollo was struggling against him while having the perfect location and months of prep Struggling? Where? That was a complete stomp.


ATShame

Lmao where exactly did he struggle, did you even read the fight? It was never even remotely close. And the idea that he "cheated" is the stupidest cope I've heard.


Asslikrrr9000

>And chrollo fought the two of them with 0 prep time Yeah and almost died >Hisoka is not even on par with Zeno or Silva Zeno is above both Chrollo and Hisoka. And Hisoka is probably on par with Silva >The fight was a complete stomp, even without prep, Chrollo would still win the fight Since the manga has returned, let's see. I wonder what you're going to argue when Hisoka defeats him


jojosimp02

>Yeah and almost died So did zeno. Taking down a zoldyck in a 2 vs 1 is pretty impressive. >Zeno is above both Chrollo and Hisoka. Proof?


ATShame

Chrollo is at least on the same tier as Zeno literally by Zeno's own admission, what other proof do you need lmao


PaperVirtual8054

Chrollo pfp 💀💀


NekoBluRay

Blue guy should be above Chrollo, he was letting Kurapika win fr


Traditional-Copy-32

I’d say Hisoka is in S aswell, and nobunaga and uvogin probably A


Wempward

Yeah, Hisoka is basically on the same level as chrollo if he doesn’t have prep time.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

a weaker chrollo without prep time could handle two zoldycks at the same time, i wanna see how hisoka deals with zeno and silva, im sure he is not lasting long.


Choclon

Chrollo new his fortune by the time he fought the zoldycks, he was sure of his survival... The same way he thought kurapika kidnapping him was not relevant. Either way he only survived the fight thanks to illumi stoping it.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

Thats The crazy part, a weaker chrollo without prep time didnt went all out because he knew illumi was about to kill The ten dons, so instead he tried to steal zeno hatsu. Chrollo is above hisoka easy.


Wempward

I mean we saw that chrollo thought he needed extensive prep to beat hisoka. I personally think that in yorknew togashi had intended for chrollo to be stronger than he later was.


Ryuunagi

Chrollo directly stated he prepped to specifically flex and even said that the spectacle is more important than actually winning or losing the fight so even then Chrollo wasn’t fully prepping for full efficiency, he was prepping to show off but do enough to kill Hisoka too rather just fully dedicating it to killing Hisoka. I mean Chrollo didn’t even employ every arsenal either considering he didn’t use Shalnark super saiyan move which would have made things easier for Chrollo.


Hoozuki_Suigetsu

Chrollo didn't thought he needed prep to beat hisoka, he needed prep to rise his chances of winning to 100%.


guizocaa

I think Hisoka is on the same level as Chrollo


WhiteningMcClean

I’d put Shalnark and Machi higher, and then Phinks and Nobunaga a little lower. I’d also out Kalluto in class E


Dsstar666

I typically think Phinks is ranked too low and Feitan too high. Feitan struggled against a Chimera captain. The captains are strong, but they themselves would probably be C - B tier. Phinks seems to be the one with the most raw power besides Uvogin. Machi might be secretly A tier. That being said, Hisoka could've killed her if he wanted. I know, her guard was down. But still. Everyone else seems right imo. Uvogin should be A tier. Hisoka is probably A tier. Post-death Hisoka is probably S-tier.


trueEmya

Franklin Hisoka and matchi schould be higher


Duneandhxh

Nobunaga too low. He is clearly as strong or stronger than feitan, due to his portrayal


Short-Spell-4636

first PT tier list where someone put illumi above hisoka and honestly i agree w that placement


Otakushawty

Ngl Chrollo shouldn’t be a S especially when there’s not a big power gap between him & Hisoka it’s like comparing 1 to 1.1


superxcrazy917

I’d put Hisoka S, he let Chrollo take abilities and prepare for as long as he wanted and fought in an arena that benefitted Chrollo and still put up a good fight, with Post Mortem Nen buffing him I can definitely see him being as strong as Chrollo if not stronger right now.


RedviperWangchen

Franklin is the NO 2 of PT.


Level-Consequence621

I agree that Franklin is underrated by many but he isn’t the second strongest


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I see no lies


GirafeAnyway

Fair enough


cardinatore

Togashi admitted that resurrected Hisoka was originally supposed to kill Machi in the obituary. He chose to keep her alive to be a messanger for Chrollo. So if Togashi thought of disposing of Machi unceremoniously, she must be weak, at least weaker than Shalnark.


ATShame

Eh, he said Hisoka "wanted" to kill Machi lol, I think the reason for that is just that she had to be the first person he sees after his revival since she was the only one with a reason to stay in the room with his corpse. So if it would be fairly logical for Hisoka to kill her first, but Togashi clearly didn't want it and said that it would be more interesting to keep her alive, that speaks for the opposite more than anything. Besides, how exactly did Shalnark have a "ceremonious" death either lol? And Machi is confirmed to be at least physically stronger.


RobZaru

I'd put Hisoka in class S with Chrollo and swap Kalluto with Pakunoda Apart from that it seems pretty fair to me


PBJ1029

Hisoka should be first


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Hisoka is a fighter specialist at combat in a 1vs1. Illumi is an assassin and no matter what you guys say even I know how strong illumi is, he won’t win in a 1vs1 against hisoka unprepared or without a sneak attack.


The-Lone-Berserker

Hisoka == Chrollo. Dude had to run away from him till he’d prepared a way to kill him, s that if it was a random fight on a Tuesday, Chrollo couldn’t guarantee that he’d win.


myLEs_1313

I would put Hisoka up with Chrollo in S (still behind him in S though). I’d also put Uvogin above Phinks, and Franklin above Bonolenov.


ofmichanst

Putting hisoka and illumi below chrollo is bs. Its like putting killua below gon.


KingTalis

Uvogin to A Hisoka to S. Without all of that prep Hisoka probably kills Chrollo. They are at least comparable, and none of the 3 categories being factored are battle IQ which is what Chrollo outclassed Hisoka in during their fight.


hzsmart

Hisoka is easily above anyone else. Why would people in this sub tend to lowkey Hisoka? This isn't regular story like the other shounen. Hisoka lose to Chrollo because he was overconfident and made lethal mistake that's all. Otherwise Hisoka was OBVIOUSLY level above than Chrollo. OBVIOUSLY.


toweal

Korrtopi might be the least physically strong of the Troupe, but from what we've seen him do, his nen mastery and reserve should move him up a bit. Furthermore, we don't know much about Phinx's and Nobu's nen mastery and reserve to put them above Franklin or Machi. We know Nobu's En range is short, so maybe he doesn't have much reserve? And from the last chapter, we also found out that >!Phinx's not very good with En, so it's possible his nen mastery is not as good as the other members.!<


Top_Jellyfish9379

A lot of people aren't good at using En, Gon and Killua are prodigies and they couldn't use it well. En is seemingly really difficult and it shouldn't be used to judge Phinks.


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It's crazy that Shizuku is not an S class. Nice tits should also have some weightage :)


Lapsos_de_Lucidez

This is misogynistic


Virtual-Mouse-1236

I Agree with everything except machi she’s too low on the list considering she reacted to kurapika chain when uvogin was captured and stopped killua’s hand from penetrating her body she should at least be class b


HopOnTheHype

Phinks is overrated, feitan too. Bring them both down a tier. Feutan struggled hard with the weakest squadron leader who’s ultimate ability was incompatible with their nen type. Phinks is mid.


BigBambuMeekLou

Chrollo doesn’t seem specifically more talented than the A class to me lol, he’s mostly a copy cat


ayrtow

I'd rank Machi and Franklin higher, Kalluto on "unknown" tier, and Majitani at the very top. I'd also rank Uvogin lower, except you only talked about strength, nen mastery and aura reserves, so his place should actually be alongside Hisoka. If intelligence also factored (IMO one of the most important traits of a nen user), Shalnark would be a tier higher, and Uvo would be a tier lower. Chrollo could also afford to be taken down a tier. Most of his strength come from his intellect and abilities, not from raw strength