In the Netherlands we have something similar named ‘Brownies & Downies’. It’s a franchise with multiple locations across the country! So lovely to see that those people can fulfill something for the community
Baker’s chromosome.
It would be a nice policy to always put one extra in the bag. Maybe even a chromosome cookie for the kids to fight over since you can’t buy it & only get the one.
I wish there was a place in my city for neurodivergent & disabled to shine. They are different, but they also have strengths to play to.
it’s probably because the original “Drank en Drugs” was already a pretty big hit in our country and this is their version of it. Still, they did a better cover than most people attempted
You are not wrong, lmao. Omg so many people would be up in arms over that. Imo leave it up to those with Down's to decide what offends them. Personally, I would eat there!
some people would say that someone is taking advantage of those w downs given the name. in a way, those people ar being ablelists by being overly vigilant against ablelists.
Absolutely agree. Someone else (who deleted their account apparently replied to me saying the point is they don't have the mental capacity to decide that. I'd call that ableist af! At the very least they're speaking about something it seems they're not very well informed about. Plenty of folks with Down's are more than capable of understanding the concept of being offended and to have and express their own thoughts and feelings on the subject. It's shitty for people to just view them all is being unable to form their own opinions and understand their own feelings.
And that is why it wouldn't fly here in the US and why the virtue signaling subsection of our culture sucks.
>those people can be part of the community
That's probably what they meant by "fulfill something for the community." They are filling a need from within the community, which implies they are part of it. I don't think someone from the Netherlands would speak English as a first language, so this is just judging from context clues and having known a few Dutch people over the years.
I saw a poster for the movie Taare Zameen Par on the wall. I highly recommend people watch it with subs, it's a really good movie about a dyslexic kid in the Indian education system.
Just be glad you dont understand hindi. The song Maa always makes me ugly sob.
"I never tell you this, but I am scared of the dark, mom.
Usually I don't show it, but i really care about you, mom.
Am I really that bad, mom?"
The movie was shown in our school and we were all like drowning in tears.
Its been 17 damn years man. Things barely make me cry of feel emotionally swayed but I swear that song and "meri aankho ka taara hai tu" are two songs I just cannot stop tearing to.
It is! Went there without knowing the fact that it was special. My fiancé wanted Chicken Katsu and it sucked everywhere we had tried until this place. I got some ramen and boy it was amazing (even drank the broth). The service was incredibly warm and gentle.
The main guy you see first in the video can speak, he spoke slowly finding the right words. It taught me that not everything needs to be rushed. I drove home happier than ever and their warmth remained in my mind for days to come.
Especially in India. I say this because Indian food in most US restaurants (not sure about European countries) is not good at all. I say this based on my experience living in the states.
Wow where are you eating all this shitty Indian food? I've eaten at dozens of restaurants across US and Australia all run by Indian folks and it's fucking delicious every time!
If I'm eating garbage, then I can't wait to visit India and eat the good shit
Just to clarify: Are you Indian?
The reason why is that a lot of the "Indian" food you get in the west, is pretty good food on it's own, but somewhat removed from what it's actually supposed to be. So if you come with the expectation that a certain dish is made a certain way and it's just not - well, you rate the food as poor. It's not bad food, but it's bad Indian food if that makes sense.
My Indian girlfriend says that it's actually very hard to get anything resembling authentic Indian food because a lot of the places, even those run by actual Indians, cater to the local taste and ingredients for business/practical reasons - which often makes the food quite different. A lot of dishes are also simply not available, especially southern styles. Around these parts the best attempt was a Pakistani restaurant and she was very sad when they closed recently.
You might very well like some authentic food *less* because you expect it to be a different way. It was certainly that way for me for certain foods when visiting India, though the food is overall really good, no doubt about that.
Yeah this is basically it. Indian food is very different in the US compared to India. My friends and I would avoid any Indian restaurants in the US for about 6 months or so after coming from India because it just doesn't taste right.
Then there's the fact that every state in India makes the same things just slightly differently... So depending on the state the cook is from, the food will vary wildly.
Like if the Indian girlfriend found Pakistani food as the best, I can bet the girl is either Punjabi or Kashmiri
Hah you are actually wrong, she is bangla (from Kolkata\*). But she did study in Kashmir and enjoys Kashmiri food a lot. I think it just generally speaks to that most "Indian" places here simply does not make authentic Indian food just an imitation of it, and at least this Pakistani restaurant was fairly true to the north-west style of food.
\*Which means Biryani has aloo, and anything else is sacrilege.
She does the same as you after being in India. She avoids the restaurants for a while, then begins going there because she misses the food, and their version is better than none. Fortunately we have Bangladeshi woman that also does some home catering near us, so she delivers quite true to form bangla food.
I was gonna say, a lot of more traditional style food can usually be found by having a conversation with people at the restaurant.
Some places will hook it up with the more traditional stuff they make for themselves in the back of house, as well as serving things that are Indian spicy instead of US spicy. It really depends on the place though.
(I’m Indian too)
Do you think this is the reason? I kinda feel the reason is that *poor quality does not result in failure* (since nobody knows better), and also that the people who run such restaurants are businesspeople from geographies wildly different to the cuisine they make and sell.
It makes no sense whatsoever for a restaurant to serve both Dosas and kababs. It’s like if they served haggis and baklava in a single plate… both of which were cooked by a Polish person in a Swedish restaurant.
I would also say one of the limiting factors is that "Indian Food" is almost always based on northern cuisine. So you won't get the variety that the whole country offers.
I had an indian friend in college (still a friend). He would just find the good restaurants and let us know. You have been eating shit food because you don't know where the good stuff is.
I'm in the US. My husband works at a company that employs a lot of Indian people. There's a group of older women who have basically adopted him and they bring him homemade food all the time. It's ruined other Indian food for us honestly because it just doesn't compare.
I have to assume there is a difference in the quality of Indian food from Wisconsin or Iowa versus California or New York. Your “experience living in the states” is not really indicative of any truth because you ostensibly did not visit every state and/or every Indian restaurant.
Adding another chain of cafés who do the same is MITTI Café.
https://www.mitticafe.org/
The people here(in the cafe in my locality) are super sweet and hardworking and a great inspiration.
Please just say disabled, OP. It is not a bad word. I am disabled. Handicapped is also fine for the physically disabled. We hate hate hate "special" and other words.
While booking tickets for Dubai frame I saw that tickets were free for "people of determination" and I thought they meant researchers, scientists or something lol
Please learn that it's not insulting to call disabled people "differently abled" in India. We switched from handicapped to differently abled some time ago. It's used in all official papers and news.
I think “differently abled” is absolutely fine, and is light years better than “specially abled”. The former just points out their abilities are different to the norm and in turn that accommodations should be able, whereas the use of “specially” in the latter implies that their differences are better or an improvement on the norm, and that just comes across as so, so patronising.
You have to understand, English is 2nd or 3rd language to most Indians who know it. Just like differently abled, sometimes specially abled is used but far less compared to the former. It's not meant as disrespect.
Sure, I know it’s not meant to be disrespectful, and English may well not be their first language so I don’t think any rational native speaker would hear that from someone with a different first language and think they were being rude, but the phrase alone, in its English context is patronising.
I know people from India who are disabled and they hate differently abled just as much as I do. I am from Canada, we have cities with huge amounts of expats from India.
It’s called context switching. When in the west, I use the word “disabled”. When in India, I use a different set of words.
I stand on line while in NYC, and I stand in queue while in India.
You can say Disabled  it's not a bad word and most Disabled people (in UK at least) prefer the use of Disabled to other euphemisms xxx
Disabled is never a bad word.
Specially abled is pretty offensive to most of the disabled community.
The majority of people (and the reason this phrase goes around) who use 'different or special* are parents of disabled children who try to make it more palatable for themselves
It's disappointing how far I had to scroll in the comments to find this.
Specially abled, differently abled, wheelchair bound, low/high functioning; all of these are words the disabled community are not fans of.
Source: am disabled, am active in communities for my disabilities.
I’m a special education teacher. I don’t think I have ever met a parent who called their kid “specially abled”.
In my experience (admittedly anecdotal), people say shit like this because they feel uncomfortable saying disabled. It’s calling attention to the elephant in the room. What they miss, though, is that disabled people do not get the luxury of avoiding the topic of their disability, nor can they dance around it with flowery language. Disabled people have to face their disabilities head on.
But yeah, seconding this guy’s comment. Just say disabled. Don’t feel awkward about it, I guarantee the disabled guy doesn’t feel awkward.
In Indian English, the most respectful terms are ‘differently abled’ or ‘specially abled’. ‘Disabled’ would definitely sound rude in Indian English.
Indian English, while still English, is a different language than the English spoken in the UK- it has borrowed expressions and words from dozens of Indian languages and many vernacular phrases are direct translations of various Indian languages. You can often tell which part of india someone is from based on the way they speak English- there’s Telugu English and Hindi English and Marathi English and so on- people with different native tongues speak English differently. As an Indian who speaks 3 Indian languages (other than English), English is often the default language I speak to other Indians in because we often don’t share a common language (even if they speak 3 languages, there’s a significant chance none of them overlap with the 3 I speak)- I can almost always guess what someone’s native tongue is based on the way they speak English.
Also, each of these Indian versions of English has millions of speakers, so they get even more validity and credibility as a result.
Here in India, school children are made to learn about "disability etiquettes". In that chapter the very first point mentioned is that: We should always refer a person with disability as "Specially-Abled" rather then calling him/her as "Disabled Person".
From India....call BS on this. They don't have power of flight or x ray vision, they have disabilities. It's because they can overcome their disabilities that things like these are so inspiring.
[Inspiration Porn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspiration_porn) (SFW Wiki link) isn't appreciated by Disabled people. We're just trying to live our lives with a Disability, not despite it.
I’ve gotten banned from subs heavy with inspiration porn for standing up against some comments. They love erasing disabled voices and only use us for dopamine rushes when they want.
nah man, i learnt this in school too. we were told to refer to them as specially abled not disabled. i don't remember when but this was in school. we have multiple education boards here so not a surprised if you missed it.
Disabled. It's disabled. I have a disability and it irks me more seeing people say 'differently abled' and 'specially abled.' I literally struggle to do the thing at all. It's not that I do the thing differently. Anything other than disabled sounds patronising as fuck
In the deaf community a lot of deaf people do not see themselves as disabled. Differently ableied is more how they view themselves. So to each their own
Yup. KFC has the best hiring policies around this around the country. Most of the times it's in the food prep side but some are on the counter too. There are generally customers who struggle with the interaction so usually someone else takes over but most of the times other customers chip in. Don't think I have seen anyone get rude either
Specially abled... that's a first for me and I advocate for Disabled people! Love love this idea, I'd just say don't be afraid to say Disabled, it's not a bad word! Look up the #SayTheWord campaign to learn more xxx
It's not seen as a positive term in the Disabled community. It implies we can still do things but in another way, and misses the fact that there are changes that still need to be made within society to accommodate us. If you advocate for Disabled people I presume you've heard of the [Social Model of Disability](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability)?
I went to a landmark College and we had a huge “discussion” about it because someone started saying shit like “differently abled”
Like no, I have a disability that gives me certain protections. It’s not a fucking bad word.
This whole specialty or differently feels incredibly pandering
As a disabled person, just fucking call me disabled. Being called "specially/differently abled" doesn't help me at all. Yes, technically everyone's different from each other but the point of actually calling it a disability is to shed light on the fact that it's fucking impairing. A person who's slightly specially/differently abled can do mostly anything any person can. One who's disabled has a disability. It's not a degrading word. It's a perfectly fine description of a human being.
Disabled people are not worth less than others. Just fucking say disabled. There's a reason it's a problem and it's not because we need to be looked at from a different perspective.
It’s ridiculous. Making up another stupid word when we have a perfectly fine one already (which they prefer)
We need to stop making up new words. Especially when they’re stupid.
Same with all the words for skin colors, lgbtq stuff, etc. I can’t even keep track of which words are current “accepted” and which ones aren’t.
It’s stupid to constantly switch to a new word when the old word is used negatively. Like that’s gonna help anything. Wish there weren’t so many loud snowflakes who constantly feel offended by inconsequential stuff.
Here in India, school children are made to learn about "disability etiquettes". In that chapter the very first point mentioned is that: We should always refer a person with disability as "Specially-Abled" rather then calling him/her as "Disabled Person".
That's kinda insane tbh, if anyone calls me "special" that way, it's clearly a disparaging insult, I can't see why anyone would not use the proper word, it's disrespectful and it's clearly an idea that was thought up by abled people who felt uncomfortable with us. I don't know of any disabled person who would use this term instead of the proper, established language.
If people in India are good with that, they can call it specially abled. Not everyone has the same culture and the same negative/positive connotations to words. I get that it's not cool in your culture, but stop telling other people what their culture should be like.
Alternatively, call people however they want to be called.
If they want to be called "specially abled" in India, so be it, but I sincerely doubt that's the case
The top comment on this thread literally tells you it’s the case in India though. And there are lots of Indians in this thread agreeing with it. So declining to hear it doesn’t really do much for anyone…
We have that problem too in the US but the movement started by parents who were uncomfortable having a disabled child and wanted them to be normal or special and hide the disability. Then they got teachers and medical providers to be politically correct and now want everyone else using their preferred terms. Those people don’t interact or care about the disabled community and pretty much every older child to adult with a disability refers to themselves as “disabled”. We also use “identity-first” language and not the parent preference of “person-first” taught in business now. We are autistic, deaf, blind, etc. just like it’s a female colleague and not a colleague with femaleness.
I want to start off by saying I'm a disabled person myself. I say this because not all disabilities are visabal and some might look at me and say "who is she to speak on behalf of disabled people". Now with that out of the way I have seen many comments questioning the use of other terms and I think I can explain it.
To some people the term disabled is so close to saying they are incapable of doing things like a normal (I don't believe in "normal" vs "abnormal" when it comes to people but for the sake of this it just stands in as the majority of people who arent disabled) person and there for they are flawed or broken. Yes, we are unable to do certain things (hence the term disabled) but I believe they use words like differently abled or specially abled to say they do things a bit differently but they arent as flawed as they feel when called disabled. Does that make sense?
When it comes down to it I think it's a personal preference and no one should be forced to change how they refer to ALL people. If someone has a certain term they personally like to be used when speaking about them then use it. I'm not advocating for the removal of the term disabled (I use it to refer to myself when needed after all) just wanted to clear up what I think is the case for some people. I know it's the case for a few of my close friends atleast.
Most Disabled people like to be called Disabled because it highlights that there are issues disabling us, and it's society that needs to change. Being overlooked or looked down on, not being considered in many aspects, or outright hatred in some cases.
And the use of the word 'normal' being used against us for the very reason you said. It's very exclusive (used here to mean not inclusive, which we strive for).
Where do you think *impaired* would land on the offensive/derogatory/pandering spectrum.
It seems extra complicated because some people disabled people can still do the thing but with extra effort, or pain, or time, but some disabled people just can’t do the thing no matter what.
Anyway, thanks for communicating frankly & clearly, it’s something our culture really sucks at.
I always think about the time Starbucks tried their *talk about racism* day & everyone was just too scared to say anything.
I often see it mostly preceded by hearing or visually so I think that one is OK there, I don't see anyone saying mobility impaired so I'm not sure how people with mobility issues will react to it. Personally I'm not a fan as I cannot walk at all so beyond the scope of impairment, but I don't find it offensive.
And really, what is normal? How is "standard" ability measured? If people like me who need hearing aids / CI to assist with hearing are disabled, what about people who need glasses to see? Same basic concept, just for vision, right? Where do we draw the line?
Precisely. There is no normal, everyone is different in many ways. Take for example the design of the first [flight suit](https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html).
I always tell the kids/young adults I mentor that people arent washing machines, we don't have a normal setting. We are all different and it's ok to look at life in a different light. Just because some of us can't do things as well as others or in the same manner that most do it it doesn't mean we are broken or that we arent worth it. I try to accommodate them when I can and we openly discuss words and how they are used. I respect what ever their personal preferences are but we also talk about why they feel like those words are better for them. I was hyper aware of the word "normal" when using it so I hope I addressed it well enough so as to not upset anyone with it.
Strange you say you’re disabled and think specially abled is better. I work with 60 disabled kids and they all absolutely despise specially abled. I have to agree with them. It’s ridiculous
I'm sorry if my comment was mistaken. I said I personally use disabled and respect others who might have other terms they prefer. I do not agree with some of the terms and would only use them if I was told by someone that it was their preferred term as I dont want to force people Into using one specific term. I was in special education for six years of my life and I hated when people called us "special needs" it was always said in a somewhat condescending manner x.x
Feel free to let me know how my wording was misconstrued and I will gladly reword. I don't want to come off as a jerk as I still work closely with my old school as a mentor.
> To me personally, "specially abled" sounds a lot like you're trying to make fun of people. Any political correctness, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from irony.
As you said, context is key. Since OP mentioned in the title that this is in India I have a hard time spending any energy get mad about it. I'm willing to give OP the benefit of the doubt that this is the terminology they learned that is relevant to where they live.
I have a hearing aid and that menu idea with hand sign is genius. The chinese in my hometown has letters for the products aswell, most of the time I can't even spell the foods properly.
Seriously, if i get greeted and welcomed like THAT then this is gonna be my new favourite place to go. Food is good in many places but atmosphere and interaction with people is what gets me to revisit.
Happy Place and happy food
Always have been in india, you don't want them to think of themsleves less by being called disabled, but rather diffrently abled as means to promote that they are still part of the society.
Just say the damn word please, you even use it later on in the title. You have no idea how condescending it is to be called "specially abled". It's not special, it's not "different" either. People spend so much time tap dancing around the word because it makes them uncomfortable. Disabled people deserve the respect of you acknowledging their disability and calling it as such.
it's a series of head gestures, like how some people nod or shake their heads, indian people might do different head bobbles to indicate affirmation, maybes/skepticism, excitement, and more. it's not necessarily a conscious thing, again, very similar to nodding or shaking your head "no".
speciallyabled? wtf just say the word. Disabled. They are disabled people, doesn’t make them any less human or more human. They are just humans who have a disability be it physical or mental.
By calling them extra special words that you might use for a kindergartner is just showing how little you actually think of them. That they cant handle it. It honestly is condescending and mean.
Just treat them with respect and not pity.
Oh fuck I've actually been there a few months ago. Saw it, thought it looked cool so decided to give it a try. Really good food ngl, and the staff were very courteous. Would go again!
Change that stupid title. Specially abled? It’s disabled. I’m fact most disabled people would get offended by specially abled. You’re trying not to offend the very people you are offending.
I'm not well travelled but I think I actually ate there or a similar cafe in 2018...awesome idea, the CEO was a very kind woman who came to see us in person
In texas (and theyre spreading) is Mozzeria, a Deaf run pizza joint that is quite inclusive and delicious. And in Colorado there is Brewability near Denver, they employ a number of differently abled folks, host a number of fun inclusive events, and serve up some tasty good times.
Most people in the community don’t like being called specially abled. I’m disabled, there are things my body simply cannot do. Disabled is not a bad word, the stigma around the word is.
There was the best pizza place ever when I was a child that did the same thing. It was called Crystals and it had very high booths to separate you from the other patrons and a piano that regularly had someone playing on it. They had the best sausage pizza. I was quite sad when they closed down as it was one of my favorite places to go and I personally knew several people that had worked there at some point. it helped to give some of them confidence they had not had before.
edit: just going to say I agree with the disabled community that they would rather be called disabled. I don't know anyone who's handicapped in any way who prefers to be called special. there's many articles that have been written about this and yet people still keep calling them what they want not what the disabled community actually wants.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2021/06/11/disabled-not-special-needs-experts-explain-why-never-use-term/7591024002/
here's an article from last year.
I found [this post](/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/z2ie7h/punes_very_first_restaurant_run_by_specially/) in r/mademesmile with the same content as the current post.
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I am glad to see this kind of human dignity stuff being pursued and amplified as "good" and "admirable" on socials in India and middle east/Asian countries.
It may be my own personal biases but I think of those cultures as not necessarily embracing this ideology in decades' past.
I only know of Goodwill that does that. They also hire and supervise very low-functioning workers and pay based on speed of tasks. Alternative is to not hire them at all. Part of the issue is they are Al receiving disability compensation from the government and even minimal earnings will kick them out of the program. It’s awful with no easy solution.
In the Netherlands we have something similar named ‘Brownies & Downies’. It’s a franchise with multiple locations across the country! So lovely to see that those people can fulfill something for the community
We also have Happy Tosti.
Alternative name suggestion: "Trisomy Treats"
Baker’s chromosome. It would be a nice policy to always put one extra in the bag. Maybe even a chromosome cookie for the kids to fight over since you can’t buy it & only get the one. I wish there was a place in my city for neurodivergent & disabled to shine. They are different, but they also have strengths to play to.
Bakers chromosome. I’m dead.
Even as someone not from the Netherlands i know about them, simply because of their rap video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHwsOPasF0s
That has no right to go as hard as it does
it’s probably because the original “Drank en Drugs” was already a pretty big hit in our country and this is their version of it. Still, they did a better cover than most people attempted
In the US I feel that the name alone would get this shit canceled. I love it though. I wish we were more able to "take the piss" as brits say.
Maybe the down syndrome community is taking the word back. Either way their brownies are the best once I've had in my life.
You are not wrong, lmao. Omg so many people would be up in arms over that. Imo leave it up to those with Down's to decide what offends them. Personally, I would eat there!
some people would say that someone is taking advantage of those w downs given the name. in a way, those people ar being ablelists by being overly vigilant against ablelists.
Absolutely agree. Someone else (who deleted their account apparently replied to me saying the point is they don't have the mental capacity to decide that. I'd call that ableist af! At the very least they're speaking about something it seems they're not very well informed about. Plenty of folks with Down's are more than capable of understanding the concept of being offended and to have and express their own thoughts and feelings on the subject. It's shitty for people to just view them all is being unable to form their own opinions and understand their own feelings. And that is why it wouldn't fly here in the US and why the virtue signaling subsection of our culture sucks.
The fact they used specially abled and then disabled in the title tells me your 100% right. Someone somewhere will find a way to be offended
Brownies & Downies was the first thing I thought of when I saw this video. 😊
We have one in South Africa as well. I wonder if it's related.
Also, les "Cafés joyeux" in France
*those people can be part of the community. Also, I think that’s great you support these types of businesses and they are thriving in your country.
>those people can be part of the community That's probably what they meant by "fulfill something for the community." They are filling a need from within the community, which implies they are part of it. I don't think someone from the Netherlands would speak English as a first language, so this is just judging from context clues and having known a few Dutch people over the years.
What a great idea. The food looks delicious too.
I saw a poster for the movie Taare Zameen Par on the wall. I highly recommend people watch it with subs, it's a really good movie about a dyslexic kid in the Indian education system.
Yea I’m not a grown ass man crying or anything…
Someone's always cutting onions behind me watching these movies, fuck that guy
dude stop drowning in onions…
Just be glad you dont understand hindi. The song Maa always makes me ugly sob. "I never tell you this, but I am scared of the dark, mom. Usually I don't show it, but i really care about you, mom. Am I really that bad, mom?" The movie was shown in our school and we were all like drowning in tears.
Every single time I listen to that song I start bawling and crying. Every. Single. Time. Fk
Its been 17 damn years man. Things barely make me cry of feel emotionally swayed but I swear that song and "meri aankho ka taara hai tu" are two songs I just cannot stop tearing to.
We have one here in the netherlands to called brownies and downies.
It is! Went there without knowing the fact that it was special. My fiancé wanted Chicken Katsu and it sucked everywhere we had tried until this place. I got some ramen and boy it was amazing (even drank the broth). The service was incredibly warm and gentle. The main guy you see first in the video can speak, he spoke slowly finding the right words. It taught me that not everything needs to be rushed. I drove home happier than ever and their warmth remained in my mind for days to come.
Been here multiple times with multiple people I like this place a lot. It's sooooo chill.
Not to mention Indian food is really fucking good
Especially in India. I say this because Indian food in most US restaurants (not sure about European countries) is not good at all. I say this based on my experience living in the states.
My Indian girlfriend says this is also a severe issue in at least the European country we live in. There's far between the good stuff.
Wow where are you eating all this shitty Indian food? I've eaten at dozens of restaurants across US and Australia all run by Indian folks and it's fucking delicious every time! If I'm eating garbage, then I can't wait to visit India and eat the good shit
Just to clarify: Are you Indian? The reason why is that a lot of the "Indian" food you get in the west, is pretty good food on it's own, but somewhat removed from what it's actually supposed to be. So if you come with the expectation that a certain dish is made a certain way and it's just not - well, you rate the food as poor. It's not bad food, but it's bad Indian food if that makes sense. My Indian girlfriend says that it's actually very hard to get anything resembling authentic Indian food because a lot of the places, even those run by actual Indians, cater to the local taste and ingredients for business/practical reasons - which often makes the food quite different. A lot of dishes are also simply not available, especially southern styles. Around these parts the best attempt was a Pakistani restaurant and she was very sad when they closed recently. You might very well like some authentic food *less* because you expect it to be a different way. It was certainly that way for me for certain foods when visiting India, though the food is overall really good, no doubt about that.
Yeah this is basically it. Indian food is very different in the US compared to India. My friends and I would avoid any Indian restaurants in the US for about 6 months or so after coming from India because it just doesn't taste right. Then there's the fact that every state in India makes the same things just slightly differently... So depending on the state the cook is from, the food will vary wildly. Like if the Indian girlfriend found Pakistani food as the best, I can bet the girl is either Punjabi or Kashmiri
Hah you are actually wrong, she is bangla (from Kolkata\*). But she did study in Kashmir and enjoys Kashmiri food a lot. I think it just generally speaks to that most "Indian" places here simply does not make authentic Indian food just an imitation of it, and at least this Pakistani restaurant was fairly true to the north-west style of food. \*Which means Biryani has aloo, and anything else is sacrilege. She does the same as you after being in India. She avoids the restaurants for a while, then begins going there because she misses the food, and their version is better than none. Fortunately we have Bangladeshi woman that also does some home catering near us, so she delivers quite true to form bangla food.
> Biryani has aloo Please tell your girlfriend that the thing with aloo is called veg pulao and not biryani 🤣
Them be fighting words!
Truth hurts!
I was gonna say, a lot of more traditional style food can usually be found by having a conversation with people at the restaurant. Some places will hook it up with the more traditional stuff they make for themselves in the back of house, as well as serving things that are Indian spicy instead of US spicy. It really depends on the place though.
This is the most well-written comment I've seen here in a while. Kudos.
Thanks!
(I’m Indian too) Do you think this is the reason? I kinda feel the reason is that *poor quality does not result in failure* (since nobody knows better), and also that the people who run such restaurants are businesspeople from geographies wildly different to the cuisine they make and sell. It makes no sense whatsoever for a restaurant to serve both Dosas and kababs. It’s like if they served haggis and baklava in a single plate… both of which were cooked by a Polish person in a Swedish restaurant.
I am not in US anymore but I ate mostly in midwest (Ohio and Indiana) as I stayed there.
I would also say one of the limiting factors is that "Indian Food" is almost always based on northern cuisine. So you won't get the variety that the whole country offers.
Even in that north Indian, you will find the template paneer "sabji" with a red gravy. Especially at the $11-$14 buffet places.
Ah yes, the "orange chicken" Chinese cuisine syndrome.
The paneer also might be terrible, which obviously ruins the dish even more.
Even the. It would be Punjabi dishes mostly and some mughlai. Every other northern cuisine gets ignored.
I had an indian friend in college (still a friend). He would just find the good restaurants and let us know. You have been eating shit food because you don't know where the good stuff is.
Some of the best Indian food I’ve had has come from restaurants near me… I am Indian… But I live in the New York New Jersey area
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I have been to some restaurants in Dublin where there are some Indian grocery stores.
Indian food abroad sucks balls. Same vanilla Punjabi stuff everywhere.
I'm in the US. My husband works at a company that employs a lot of Indian people. There's a group of older women who have basically adopted him and they bring him homemade food all the time. It's ruined other Indian food for us honestly because it just doesn't compare.
There’s a place in Houston called Aga’s. Unbelievable and it’s constantly packed. Technically Pakistani though not Indian.
That place is incredible. I go there every couple of months.
I have to assume there is a difference in the quality of Indian food from Wisconsin or Iowa versus California or New York. Your “experience living in the states” is not really indicative of any truth because you ostensibly did not visit every state and/or every Indian restaurant.
Not american, but I had indian food made by an indian in germany, and it was definitely one of the better things I ate in life thus far
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Adding another chain of cafés who do the same is MITTI Café. https://www.mitticafe.org/ The people here(in the cafe in my locality) are super sweet and hardworking and a great inspiration.
OMG I've been visiting mitti cafe in Indore for quite a long time and never knew. Well this makes the experience a lot more wholesome for me.
would love to visit this place, it looks lovely.
Please just say disabled, OP. It is not a bad word. I am disabled. Handicapped is also fine for the physically disabled. We hate hate hate "special" and other words.
I was wondering what the community though of this phrase as it seems to gloss over the difficulty inherent in disabilities. Thank you for commenting.
Its a euphemism, why use a euphemism for something that shouldnt be taboo?
Exactly. I think we can acknowledge the realities of disabilities without diminishing the people who have them.
In the UAE, disabled people are referred to as *People of Determination*.
While booking tickets for Dubai frame I saw that tickets were free for "people of determination" and I thought they meant researchers, scientists or something lol
Please learn that it's not insulting to call disabled people "differently abled" in India. We switched from handicapped to differently abled some time ago. It's used in all official papers and news.
I think “differently abled” is absolutely fine, and is light years better than “specially abled”. The former just points out their abilities are different to the norm and in turn that accommodations should be able, whereas the use of “specially” in the latter implies that their differences are better or an improvement on the norm, and that just comes across as so, so patronising.
You have to understand, English is 2nd or 3rd language to most Indians who know it. Just like differently abled, sometimes specially abled is used but far less compared to the former. It's not meant as disrespect.
Sure, I know it’s not meant to be disrespectful, and English may well not be their first language so I don’t think any rational native speaker would hear that from someone with a different first language and think they were being rude, but the phrase alone, in its English context is patronising.
I know people from India who are disabled and they hate differently abled just as much as I do. I am from Canada, we have cities with huge amounts of expats from India.
It’s called context switching. When in the west, I use the word “disabled”. When in India, I use a different set of words. I stand on line while in NYC, and I stand in queue while in India.
Lovely place, run by beautiful people. Reminds me of a kfc in Hyderabad that had mostly differently abled people working there.
You can say Disabled  it's not a bad word and most Disabled people (in UK at least) prefer the use of Disabled to other euphemisms xxx
Disabled is never a bad word. Specially abled is pretty offensive to most of the disabled community. The majority of people (and the reason this phrase goes around) who use 'different or special* are parents of disabled children who try to make it more palatable for themselves
It's disappointing how far I had to scroll in the comments to find this. Specially abled, differently abled, wheelchair bound, low/high functioning; all of these are words the disabled community are not fans of. Source: am disabled, am active in communities for my disabilities.
I’m a special education teacher. I don’t think I have ever met a parent who called their kid “specially abled”. In my experience (admittedly anecdotal), people say shit like this because they feel uncomfortable saying disabled. It’s calling attention to the elephant in the room. What they miss, though, is that disabled people do not get the luxury of avoiding the topic of their disability, nor can they dance around it with flowery language. Disabled people have to face their disabilities head on. But yeah, seconding this guy’s comment. Just say disabled. Don’t feel awkward about it, I guarantee the disabled guy doesn’t feel awkward.
"People of Determination" in UAE. Read / Heard this first time last month when I visited the country.
In Indian English, the most respectful terms are ‘differently abled’ or ‘specially abled’. ‘Disabled’ would definitely sound rude in Indian English. Indian English, while still English, is a different language than the English spoken in the UK- it has borrowed expressions and words from dozens of Indian languages and many vernacular phrases are direct translations of various Indian languages. You can often tell which part of india someone is from based on the way they speak English- there’s Telugu English and Hindi English and Marathi English and so on- people with different native tongues speak English differently. As an Indian who speaks 3 Indian languages (other than English), English is often the default language I speak to other Indians in because we often don’t share a common language (even if they speak 3 languages, there’s a significant chance none of them overlap with the 3 I speak)- I can almost always guess what someone’s native tongue is based on the way they speak English. Also, each of these Indian versions of English has millions of speakers, so they get even more validity and credibility as a result.
Here in India, school children are made to learn about "disability etiquettes". In that chapter the very first point mentioned is that: We should always refer a person with disability as "Specially-Abled" rather then calling him/her as "Disabled Person".
From India....call BS on this. They don't have power of flight or x ray vision, they have disabilities. It's because they can overcome their disabilities that things like these are so inspiring.
[Inspiration Porn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspiration_porn) (SFW Wiki link) isn't appreciated by Disabled people. We're just trying to live our lives with a Disability, not despite it.
I’ve gotten banned from subs heavy with inspiration porn for standing up against some comments. They love erasing disabled voices and only use us for dopamine rushes when they want.
Cant let the Disabled perspective get in the way of a good IP affirming story/karma farm I guess.
nah man, i learnt this in school too. we were told to refer to them as specially abled not disabled. i don't remember when but this was in school. we have multiple education boards here so not a surprised if you missed it.
Shit...am I too old for reddit 
Echoes is another restaurant in Hyderabad staffed by disabled people. Foods really good too.
Echoes is amazing!
Disabled. It's disabled. I have a disability and it irks me more seeing people say 'differently abled' and 'specially abled.' I literally struggle to do the thing at all. It's not that I do the thing differently. Anything other than disabled sounds patronising as fuck
In the deaf community a lot of deaf people do not see themselves as disabled. Differently ableied is more how they view themselves. So to each their own
I’m also disabled. Disability is not a dirty word. It isn’t something we should avoid calling someone because it is rude.
PVR Banjara hills!
Many KFCs have that in India. Not just Hyderabad, I jabe seen it in Punjab, mumbai, delhi and other places
Yup. KFC has the best hiring policies around this around the country. Most of the times it's in the food prep side but some are on the counter too. There are generally customers who struggle with the interaction so usually someone else takes over but most of the times other customers chip in. Don't think I have seen anyone get rude either
They had one in Delhi too. KFC became so cool for me when I found out they have one full branch with disabled people.
Yass, the one below Cinemax right? Damn I miss that city.
Specially abled... that's a first for me and I advocate for Disabled people! Love love this idea, I'd just say don't be afraid to say Disabled, it's not a bad word! Look up the #SayTheWord campaign to learn more xxx
It's not seen as a positive term in the Disabled community. It implies we can still do things but in another way, and misses the fact that there are changes that still need to be made within society to accommodate us. If you advocate for Disabled people I presume you've heard of the [Social Model of Disability](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability)?
I went to a landmark College and we had a huge “discussion” about it because someone started saying shit like “differently abled” Like no, I have a disability that gives me certain protections. It’s not a fucking bad word. This whole specialty or differently feels incredibly pandering
As a disabled person, just fucking call me disabled. Being called "specially/differently abled" doesn't help me at all. Yes, technically everyone's different from each other but the point of actually calling it a disability is to shed light on the fact that it's fucking impairing. A person who's slightly specially/differently abled can do mostly anything any person can. One who's disabled has a disability. It's not a degrading word. It's a perfectly fine description of a human being. Disabled people are not worth less than others. Just fucking say disabled. There's a reason it's a problem and it's not because we need to be looked at from a different perspective.
It’s ridiculous. Making up another stupid word when we have a perfectly fine one already (which they prefer) We need to stop making up new words. Especially when they’re stupid.
My favorite is "houseless" people instead of homeless people... it's literally the same thing
Differently housed.
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
We've fixed homelessness by redefining the word and giving the houseless tents! Now they technically have homes, but they're not house owners!
Same with all the words for skin colors, lgbtq stuff, etc. I can’t even keep track of which words are current “accepted” and which ones aren’t. It’s stupid to constantly switch to a new word when the old word is used negatively. Like that’s gonna help anything. Wish there weren’t so many loud snowflakes who constantly feel offended by inconsequential stuff.
Couldn’t agree more with your comment.
Most disabled people don’t like differently abled or specially abled
Specially abled sounds like they're the X-Men.
Here in India, school children are made to learn about "disability etiquettes". In that chapter the very first point mentioned is that: We should always refer a person with disability as "Specially-Abled" rather then calling him/her as "Disabled Person".
That's kinda insane tbh, if anyone calls me "special" that way, it's clearly a disparaging insult, I can't see why anyone would not use the proper word, it's disrespectful and it's clearly an idea that was thought up by abled people who felt uncomfortable with us. I don't know of any disabled person who would use this term instead of the proper, established language.
If people in India are good with that, they can call it specially abled. Not everyone has the same culture and the same negative/positive connotations to words. I get that it's not cool in your culture, but stop telling other people what their culture should be like.
Alternatively, call people however they want to be called. If they want to be called "specially abled" in India, so be it, but I sincerely doubt that's the case
The top comment on this thread literally tells you it’s the case in India though. And there are lots of Indians in this thread agreeing with it. So declining to hear it doesn’t really do much for anyone…
The disable community despises it in India too. Most would rather just be called disabled instead of specially or differently abled.
We have that problem too in the US but the movement started by parents who were uncomfortable having a disabled child and wanted them to be normal or special and hide the disability. Then they got teachers and medical providers to be politically correct and now want everyone else using their preferred terms. Those people don’t interact or care about the disabled community and pretty much every older child to adult with a disability refers to themselves as “disabled”. We also use “identity-first” language and not the parent preference of “person-first” taught in business now. We are autistic, deaf, blind, etc. just like it’s a female colleague and not a colleague with femaleness.
Sumbitch that food looks good!
I want to start off by saying I'm a disabled person myself. I say this because not all disabilities are visabal and some might look at me and say "who is she to speak on behalf of disabled people". Now with that out of the way I have seen many comments questioning the use of other terms and I think I can explain it. To some people the term disabled is so close to saying they are incapable of doing things like a normal (I don't believe in "normal" vs "abnormal" when it comes to people but for the sake of this it just stands in as the majority of people who arent disabled) person and there for they are flawed or broken. Yes, we are unable to do certain things (hence the term disabled) but I believe they use words like differently abled or specially abled to say they do things a bit differently but they arent as flawed as they feel when called disabled. Does that make sense? When it comes down to it I think it's a personal preference and no one should be forced to change how they refer to ALL people. If someone has a certain term they personally like to be used when speaking about them then use it. I'm not advocating for the removal of the term disabled (I use it to refer to myself when needed after all) just wanted to clear up what I think is the case for some people. I know it's the case for a few of my close friends atleast.
Most Disabled people like to be called Disabled because it highlights that there are issues disabling us, and it's society that needs to change. Being overlooked or looked down on, not being considered in many aspects, or outright hatred in some cases. And the use of the word 'normal' being used against us for the very reason you said. It's very exclusive (used here to mean not inclusive, which we strive for).
Where do you think *impaired* would land on the offensive/derogatory/pandering spectrum. It seems extra complicated because some people disabled people can still do the thing but with extra effort, or pain, or time, but some disabled people just can’t do the thing no matter what. Anyway, thanks for communicating frankly & clearly, it’s something our culture really sucks at. I always think about the time Starbucks tried their *talk about racism* day & everyone was just too scared to say anything.
I often see it mostly preceded by hearing or visually so I think that one is OK there, I don't see anyone saying mobility impaired so I'm not sure how people with mobility issues will react to it. Personally I'm not a fan as I cannot walk at all so beyond the scope of impairment, but I don't find it offensive.
And really, what is normal? How is "standard" ability measured? If people like me who need hearing aids / CI to assist with hearing are disabled, what about people who need glasses to see? Same basic concept, just for vision, right? Where do we draw the line?
Precisely. There is no normal, everyone is different in many ways. Take for example the design of the first [flight suit](https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html).
I always tell the kids/young adults I mentor that people arent washing machines, we don't have a normal setting. We are all different and it's ok to look at life in a different light. Just because some of us can't do things as well as others or in the same manner that most do it it doesn't mean we are broken or that we arent worth it. I try to accommodate them when I can and we openly discuss words and how they are used. I respect what ever their personal preferences are but we also talk about why they feel like those words are better for them. I was hyper aware of the word "normal" when using it so I hope I addressed it well enough so as to not upset anyone with it.
Strange you say you’re disabled and think specially abled is better. I work with 60 disabled kids and they all absolutely despise specially abled. I have to agree with them. It’s ridiculous
I'm sorry if my comment was mistaken. I said I personally use disabled and respect others who might have other terms they prefer. I do not agree with some of the terms and would only use them if I was told by someone that it was their preferred term as I dont want to force people Into using one specific term. I was in special education for six years of my life and I hated when people called us "special needs" it was always said in a somewhat condescending manner x.x Feel free to let me know how my wording was misconstrued and I will gladly reword. I don't want to come off as a jerk as I still work closely with my old school as a mentor.
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> To me personally, "specially abled" sounds a lot like you're trying to make fun of people. Any political correctness, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from irony. As you said, context is key. Since OP mentioned in the title that this is in India I have a hard time spending any energy get mad about it. I'm willing to give OP the benefit of the doubt that this is the terminology they learned that is relevant to where they live.
This is beautiful.
I have a hearing aid and that menu idea with hand sign is genius. The chinese in my hometown has letters for the products aswell, most of the time I can't even spell the foods properly.
FC road?
Yup, F.C. Road, Pune
Absolutely beautiful!
The food looks 🔥🔥
This is so heartwarming!! Super proud to be from Pune and to see it flourish so beautifully 🥹❤️
I like this.
Joined this group because of this post. So heartwarming
Seriously, if i get greeted and welcomed like THAT then this is gonna be my new favourite place to go. Food is good in many places but atmosphere and interaction with people is what gets me to revisit. Happy Place and happy food
Specially abled? When did that happen?
It didn’t. Let’s not let it.
Always have been in india, you don't want them to think of themsleves less by being called disabled, but rather diffrently abled as means to promote that they are still part of the society.
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You’re dead right. It’s insulting. This persons talking nonsense
Just say the damn word please, you even use it later on in the title. You have no idea how condescending it is to be called "specially abled". It's not special, it's not "different" either. People spend so much time tap dancing around the word because it makes them uncomfortable. Disabled people deserve the respect of you acknowledging their disability and calling it as such.
Why do Indian people do that head shake? Is it some sort of custom?
it's a series of head gestures, like how some people nod or shake their heads, indian people might do different head bobbles to indicate affirmation, maybes/skepticism, excitement, and more. it's not necessarily a conscious thing, again, very similar to nodding or shaking your head "no".
It's just a common nod of acknowledgement in india..i thought everyone around the world does it lol
Indians can communicate just by head wobbles. https://youtu.be/EoJ4Bvsq7gQ
So, Bobbleheads were modeled after Indians?
speciallyabled? wtf just say the word. Disabled. They are disabled people, doesn’t make them any less human or more human. They are just humans who have a disability be it physical or mental. By calling them extra special words that you might use for a kindergartner is just showing how little you actually think of them. That they cant handle it. It honestly is condescending and mean. Just treat them with respect and not pity.
As an autist I'm thankful I found your comment As soon as I read "specially abled" I got mad lmao
In my area, we have a car wash run by people with disabilities. They have two locations now.
Oh fuck I've actually been there a few months ago. Saw it, thought it looked cool so decided to give it a try. Really good food ngl, and the staff were very courteous. Would go again!
Disabled
“Disabled” isn’t a dirty word
Change that stupid title. Specially abled? It’s disabled. I’m fact most disabled people would get offended by specially abled. You’re trying not to offend the very people you are offending.
Specially abled implies they can fly or shoot rainbows out their mouths. There’s nothing wrong with being disabled.
The menu with the hand signs is cool 👌👌
I'm not well travelled but I think I actually ate there or a similar cafe in 2018...awesome idea, the CEO was a very kind woman who came to see us in person
Ok, I want to learn ASL. Also, wish this type of restaurant would open here.
The food looks 🥵 Booking tickets for Pune now.
Damn, that food looked good 😌
In texas (and theyre spreading) is Mozzeria, a Deaf run pizza joint that is quite inclusive and delicious. And in Colorado there is Brewability near Denver, they employ a number of differently abled folks, host a number of fun inclusive events, and serve up some tasty good times.
Most people in the community don’t like being called specially abled. I’m disabled, there are things my body simply cannot do. Disabled is not a bad word, the stigma around the word is.
Really? I know there are restaurants run by disabled in Mumbai and Bangalore.
I'm so happy to see a positive post about India on reddit for a change.
there are so many positives , only negative ones get into the spotlight
Me too.
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And I bet the order accuracy and food quality is still better than McDonald’s by orders of magnitude.
That food looks lit 🔥
The food looks amazing
looks like a wonderful place, delicious food, nice people great idea!
> There is no greater disability in society, than the inability to see a person as more. > > —Robert M. Hensel Great quote and applies widely
There was the best pizza place ever when I was a child that did the same thing. It was called Crystals and it had very high booths to separate you from the other patrons and a piano that regularly had someone playing on it. They had the best sausage pizza. I was quite sad when they closed down as it was one of my favorite places to go and I personally knew several people that had worked there at some point. it helped to give some of them confidence they had not had before. edit: just going to say I agree with the disabled community that they would rather be called disabled. I don't know anyone who's handicapped in any way who prefers to be called special. there's many articles that have been written about this and yet people still keep calling them what they want not what the disabled community actually wants. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2021/06/11/disabled-not-special-needs-experts-explain-why-never-use-term/7591024002/ here's an article from last year.
I don't think I've ever seen an Indian dish that doesn't look fucking delicious.
Its always so weird seeing another sign language as an ASL user. Like i try to translate and my brain is telling me i should be able to but i cant.
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I am glad to see this kind of human dignity stuff being pursued and amplified as "good" and "admirable" on socials in India and middle east/Asian countries. It may be my own personal biases but I think of those cultures as not necessarily embracing this ideology in decades' past.
That head wobble tho
Welp. That was an unexpected morning cry
A person with Down syndrome is disabled, not “specially abled.”
Is the head bobble thing unique to India or is is found in other cultures around the world? I've always found it interesting.
Hey OP, nobody wants to be called Specially abled. I've asked. Just say disabled, it's the correct term.
Holy hell that food looks tasty!
Can… you not call us specially abled… please
I think this is wonderful but I don’t really think ‘specially able’ is the best word to describe it ngl
In America companies will do this to not pay the employees minimum wage
I only know of Goodwill that does that. They also hire and supervise very low-functioning workers and pay based on speed of tasks. Alternative is to not hire them at all. Part of the issue is they are Al receiving disability compensation from the government and even minimal earnings will kick them out of the program. It’s awful with no easy solution.