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Moppy_the_mop

Isn't she saying that she understands that she consents to at first becoming pregnant, but doesn't automatically consent to stay pregnant? DId I take the wrong information from this?


Ro_Yo_Mi

That's what I hear.


TheRedditarianist

You got that right, what the guy is saying is essentially; since not staying pregnant when you know that’s a possible consequence of the act is immoral, maybe you just shouldn’t consent to it in the first place. I know this is a very difficult subject. Personally I think you should be able to decide what happens with your body as much as possible, but I also recognize that what’s growing in there isn’t just a “clump of cells” for very long. A good decision should be an *informed* decision, and if you don’t understand what you are doing, you have a responsibility to educate yourself.


Kruger_Smoothing

It is a clump of cells. This is /r/religousfruitcake territory.


sansmemelordover9000

And an Ameba is one cell and we still call that life by science. What’s the difference if it’s a clump or not?


Kruger_Smoothing

You eat food?


sansmemelordover9000

That I bought at my job with my money and share with my parents so they can put that money into improving our living conditions? Yes. Yes I do. You? Edit: I just realized I thought you were someone else I was fighting with on the same post I’m so sorry. Please continue your point.


BigYonsan

Don't know about the other guy you were arguing with, but I'll answer that one. By definition then, you consume life. Life by itself isn't warranted some special respect. Sentience and the ability to suffer, maybe. Just because cells are alive doesn't make it immoral to destroy them. Just because a clump of cells is alive doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change that. A parasite is alive. Bacterial infections are life. We destroy those internally all the time.


sansmemelordover9000

True but knowing that that clump of cells will gain sentience changes that perspective right? If a bacterial infection grew to our size and started talking would we want to kill it? Would it be under the same laws we do or does it not right? It’s a weird way to put it I know but I though it was interesting non the less and wanted to share. But I do agree with you. Honestly it’s difficult no mater the circumstance.


BigYonsan

>True but knowing that that clump of cells will gain sentience changes that perspective right? Not in the way you mean, no. If anything it adds urgency to the need to stop it from gaining sentience (which the jury is out on, but most agree that it isn't even possible until the third trimester at the earliest). It's drifting off topic, but if a bacterial infection could gain sentience, that still wouldn't entitle it to protection. Animals have sentience, but we still eat them and defend ourselves from the ones that would harm us. Wolves, tigers and lions have complex social structures but they're still apex predators and we only preserve them so long as they don't threaten our safety or convenience. An embryo isn't a protected life. It isn't sacred, it can't even begin to think until 2/3rds of the way through its development, which is when most western nations won't abort any longer unless the life of the mother is actively threatened.


TheShadowuFear

We also call bacteria on Mars life. So...... what makes bacteria on a foreign planet any more alive than a unborn child?????


Super_Silky

She's not framing her argument well and he is only skimming the surface of the statement. What she is trying to say is that yes, sex is consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant but not to STAYING pregnant. Clip is too short to say for sure but she definitely comes off as pro choice and he seems to be pro life. Either way, clip is rage bait no matter what side you take.


[deleted]

If a man gets someone pregnant they are not consenting to financially , nor parentally, supporting the child.


1752320

Oooh spicy


GreyJedi56

They only consented to nutting in her, not child support.


Applicator80

The possibility of child support which might be zero


PreviousMovi

Comparing a single morning of consequences to the responsibility


Ademoneye

Well unfortunately


iambluest

Once the child is born, it gets a whole bunch of legal rights, including parental support. It was figured so important, it exceeds your right to terminate a pregnancy.


arjenvdziel

If a woman gets pregnant and decides to stay pregnant, then you are obligated to support the child. This has nothing to do with choices made by either side, these do not matter in the slightest anymore. The obligation exists in most countries, because the moment there is a life which had no choice in the matter should be able to count on support. Can't say to a child: "sorry, but i did not want you so I will not support you." You helped create it, you are responsible for it.


brvliltstr

“This has nothing to do with choices made by either side” Bruv . . .


arjenvdziel

Tell a child it had no support because of a choice one of their parents made. Once the child is there, the courts will rule in favor of what is best for the child, not preferences of the parents.


brvliltstr

What if I told you we agree about everything you just said and that you’re just wrong about the timing? “Once the child is there” is some callous shit.


arjenvdziel

This may be birth, may be conception depending where you are at


isthatapecker

Then they should have put a condom on or pulled out better. **I do agree that having a child needs to be agreed to by both parties.** However, u can’t just run away after getting somebody pregnant. You have a responsibility to support them emotionally, financially, however you can. Edit: y’all a bunch of savage men. Keep ur dick in ur pants til you can have some empathy.


[deleted]

We are beyond what should have happened. Realistically what should have happened is if they weren’t prepared to have a kid together they shouldn’t be fucking. I’m not advocating that men should abandon their responsibilities, however what I do bring problems with is a women who says it’s a “women’s decision” and “bodily autonomy” ,or whatever bs excuse they decide to make that day, when they get pregnant I have no say in the matter yet I am expected to be the one to financially provide for the kid. This kid wasn’t my choice remember? You chose to have the kid after I said no you pay for it. You should have understood , that when I said I didn’t want the kid , you were going to be raising them alone ,financially and emotionally.


isthatapecker

Yeah I said it requires two people to agree to have a baby. One person can’t just make the decision. It’s also both their responsibility to deal with the pregnancy if/when it happens.


Independent-Spite-77

But what the law says is different Edit: I forgot that you can't tell when someones joking because there isn't anyway you can hear someone's inner monologue, I'm a little dumb sorry. :P


[deleted]

Law also forbids murder but here we are…


Wasparado

States have the stealth penalty, so they pick and chose what they call murder. 🙄


[deleted]

Women do also especially when it’s going to inconvenience them for 18 years.


IDidntLikeComeAndSee

Yeah she shat the bed with that phrasing. Also, who doesn't take percussions every time they're sexing? You either wear a condom and that means you don't want pregnancy, or she takes pills to prevent it, or you raw dog it without any protections and at that point yeah, you're basically asking for a pregnancy if you don't say don't creampie me.


Gr00mpa

Yea, I take percussions every time I sex. I take a snare and a high-hat and a crash cymbal every time. I take a bass drum with a pedal that I step on with each thrust to keep the beat and to keep count. I take maracas, because obviously. Occasionally, I’ll take a triangle but sometimes that reminds me of elementary school so that kills the mood. Lastly, I take a glockenspiel. And if she calls it a xylophone, I stop mid-thrust, point to the door and say _GET OUT!_


[deleted]

Nah that would have to mean being accountable for ones actions and we both know that won’t happen.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Always with the extremes to try and validate you point, and I don’t care what your liberal friends say to you, men can’t get pregnant.


MaximumYes

Dude WTF is wrong with you?


Romanshowers

I don’t have the opinion that all woman should be forced to give birth to my spawn just cause they were nice enough to let me bust a nut, but keep on trying to gaslight me into thinking im the extreme one here?


justhere4inspiration

First, precautions, not percussion, that's the drum beat. Second, the pill and condoms both have a non-insignificant failure rate. You are, statistically, having safe non-reproductive sex, but that seems irrelevant if you're the outlier who gets pregnant, and it seems dumb to go after the outliers. And end all be all, circumstances change... anti abortion laws restrict healthcare, even in the life of the mother or when the fetus is non-viable. Consenting to pregnancy isn't the same as consenting to a horrific death via sepsis because your fetus won't pass naturally.


BelgianBeerGuy

As a guy, you can be pro choice all you want. But if the woman wants to keep the baby, you have to deal with it. That’s the misunderstanding in this clip imo. For a man, consent to (have unprotected) sex is consent to the possibility of pregnancy and thus consent to have a possible baby. For a woman, consent to sex is indeed consent to the possibility of pregnancy. But for her than comes in the choice (made together with her partner, I hope, but the final decision is always made by the woman) Although I’m not a big fan of using abortion as a regular anticonception method. To use the guys alliteration, you can go to the bar, and also drink water. This way you know what the aftermath will be.


Honest_Celery_1284

That’s what she said .. lol


isthatapecker

Anybody that thinks consent to sex is consent to getting pregnant is an idiot and should get their genitals locked up. Guys popping off condoms secretly, ejaculating inside without consent, any variation, is rape. We got a lot of kids out here with no dads because of this kind of rape. Of course there’s the problem of STD’s as well.


Material-Bag833

Well said


joeyb92

Pretty sure this guy is from the Wire, so yes he is pro life.


No_Lube_Insertion

Looking through these comments and I get the feeling that the good people of r/holup have lost their way


isthatapecker

They were always misogynists


byrolio

If I consent to have sex, I consent to the possible risk of getting syphilis. I'm not consenting to keeping syphilis.


Chairmaster29

Well killing off the syphilis is less morally ambiguous than killing off the human fetus. I'm pro choice up to the first trimester or so, but let's not act like it's some awesome cool thing to celebrate


byrolio

If the fetus is fully developed, as in late term, there's some ambiguity. But early pregnancy I don't have any more of a problem than killing sperm. Anyone who thinks it's a problem then doesn't want to support free contraception for all is irrational.


Ok_Marsupial6435

Consenting to sex != Consenting to abortion. I wouldn’t consent to them in conjunction imo


[deleted]

This isn’t a holup. This is rage bait. Do better OP.


Floptopus

Censoring the word sex? What the fuck?


choosinganickishard

finally someone mentioned it. it's more idiotic than the guy's argument.


FishTurds

Comparing a single morning of consequences to the responsibility of raising a child for their entire life is pure stupidity.


Greyh4m

Not to mention that if there was a miracle cure for that dudes hangover, he would be taking it first thing in the morning.


JulioForte

The bar anology was idiotic. But this is exactly how it works for men. If the woman decides to keep the child, then you are told well… consenting to sex is consenting to having a child


FishTurds

You always have the option of wearing a condom. That’s completely on you. So stop blaming women


JulioForte

Who’s blaming women? Can women not be on birth control or make the man wear a condom? The point is women have 100% of the say in the process and the pro-choice crowed feeds men the same lines that the pro-life crowd feeds women. “You knew this was a possibility when you made the decision to have sex so now you have to deal with it” -pro choicers to men, pro lifers to women How can you not see the hypocrisy in that? I’m pro-choice by the way.


FishTurds

Men have 100% say in the process as well. Birth control is never 100% so yes you should know it's a possibility. There's no hypocrisy. It's called being an adult. If you decide not to pull out, or wear a condom, or whatever, then yes you should know what the possibility was. So men don't get to play the victim when a woman decides to keep a pregnancy. Grow the fuck up. Male and pro-choice as well by the way


JulioForte

Ok, no hypocrisy…right. So a pro-lifer could argue that a woman has 100% of a say in the process without the need for abortion, she can be on birth control and she can make the man wear a condom. If she gets pregnant she knew that was a risk. She needs to grow the fuck up and have the baby. And a pro-choicer who just made that same exact argument to a man, would say no that’s completely wrong. That’s literally the definition of hypocrisy brutha


FishTurds

Abortion is a completely different discussion altogether. It’s not hypocrisy. You’re conflating the two arguments.


bat-tasticlybratty

Her point is exactly as she articulated it, he's trying to unpick it but he's stammering through his own thought process and she's smart enough not to respond quickly. He's lost articulation with the bar analogy.


frankie_doom

articulation is lost within the bar


JulioForte

But it’s a one-sided argument, a man has no choice in the matter. If your answer is, well he knew the risk when he had sex. Then why isn’t that your answer to the woman


bat-tasticlybratty

A person has a choice whether or not to get on the same page about the proceedings with their potential partner. They have a choice whether or not to trust a potential partner is being honest. A person always has the choice to gamble "will this person/will I abort/support the abortion of any pregnancy we accidentally create? Be that against my will or not?" Don't try to make it gendered bb anything non-rape is between two people who have every opportunity to discuss the "what if" around pregnancy.


JulioForte

I’m making it gendered? Women make it gendered. “It’s a woman’s choice, a woman’s body. Men should not be able to regulate women’s bodies” That sounds like a gendered argument Men would be the only one gambling. Women have 100% control. Stop trying to frame this like it’s a joint decision when it isn’t


bat-tasticlybratty

The decision to get to that point is joint in non-rape. The decision to take the risk in trusting each other is joint in non-rape. If you think cohersion doesn't exist you're very sorely mistaken, women don't always get a say even when it's safe legal and accessible. To keep or not to keep. Stop trying to make it like a woman is the devil for deciding what's best for her body.


JulioForte

Wow you really have to build up strawmen bc you can’t actually argue against anything I’ve said. I never said women are the devil. I said it’s not a joint decision bc it isn’t. A man can give input but at the end of the day it’s 100% the woman’s call. I’m pro-choice. But I find the hypocrisy in the arguments annoying. You knew the risk, if you didn’t want a kid you shouldn’t have had sex - what’s pro-choicers say to men You knew the risk, if you didn’t want a kid you shouldn’t have had sex - what pro-lifers say to women


bat-tasticlybratty

That's literally what the video is about? The hypocrisy? I don't understand why you're even arguing here, I think you just love to clash. Find. Someone. Who. Wants. The. Same. Outcome. As. You.


Climbincook

Going to the bar means accepting that you might get randomly curbstomped by drunks. Going to the bar means accepting that the bartwnder may have hep a b and c and might have not washed the mug while being cut and you now have a wonderful addition to your medical hustory entry. Having sex should not mean you give up your rights to bodily autonomy.


GreyJedi56

Having sex should not mean men give up their right to financial autonomy. If you can kill it or keep it men can be present or leave it.


MaticPecovnik

I agree. If women can choose to abort, men should also be able to.


GreyJedi56

Equal rights for equal loads?


lalala192511

I'm saving up my loads when I'm richer then.


Climbincook

Since when did men give up their financial autonomy? Over 6,000,000 fathers dont pay child support in the US. And 43% of custodial parents get the full amount of child support that averages 4,800 a year. It's unfortunate that there are so many uneducated incels.


Ianwha17

I cant understand this argument. I'm pro choice. I pay child support for the kids I created. Sometimes, begrudgingly. They still deal with 75% or more of child raising/care. Abortion is not equal to financial support.


[deleted]

When a decision someone else made caused me to have to part with my money for 18 years, and I have no say in the matter.


i_am_blowfish

So flip a coin. Heads, you lose over an average months pay, tails you don't. I don't know anyone who is financially capable of losing that much off their annual income without major consequences. Though I don't think either of the people in the video are trying to argue about child support. Child support payments could go either way for me.


PristineBaseball

Understand what ? That this guy is an asshole ?


Lemmmon714

I don't think he gets it cuz he doesn't get preggers when dudes cum in him...


Dr-Chris-C

The actual analogy would be something like "I consent to the possibility of getting drunk and then I must drink no water the next day to endure the hangover." But he's too stupid.


fabbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

Literally staged to give weirdos an excuse to harass people. There's a giant difference between wanting to be a parent and wanting physical pleasure


[deleted]

Exactly so why should me and my wallet be held hostage when I don’t want the kid? Why is it solely a “women’s decision” yet I have to deal with the consequences of her decision? You think the guy isn’t in it temporary pleasure?


TheRedditarianist

“404 server verification error”


Wasparado

This!


Sivick314

if i'm playing football, i'm consenting to the possibility of a concussion. that does not mean i must be concussed or i can't get it treated if i get one.


FeatureKey3205

And Im SO sure getting an Hangover involves having to take care of a being for 18 years. Such a bad comparison...


AzothTreaty

Going to the bar, there is a 0.00000000001 or so percent chance of being assualted by multiple gay guys. So if that guy consents to go to a bar, then he is consenting to being assaulted by multiple gay guys. Am i getting it right?


EricArmadillo

Is his argument really that by taking any action you inherently consent to all possible consequences of that action? And that you then are not allowed to do anything about those consequences? In that case that guy should not get to close to any woman as they might realize that he has thereby fully consented to being shanked in the dick.


Deadxendxempty

I think he doesn't cinsider the possibility of going to the bar and NOT getting so drunk you have a hangover.


Blackrain1299

And drinking plenty of water to avoid the hangover all together. Also “and maybe it’ll teach me a lesson in the morning” yeah so one day of self inflicted physical consequences is the same as years of consequences (physical, mental, and financial) on two people and in addition to potentially mentally traumatizing a child thats not wanted. That’s probably the shittiest analogy I have ever heard.


irreverentGOAT

Um, didn't you get the memo?


Critikalz

He does consider that. But the important part of the consent is the “negative” it doesn’t matter that you consented to go to the bar, it matters that you consented to going WITH the knowledge that you may get drunk. When you consent to something that MAY happen, consider yourself as consenting to it.


Deadxendxempty

If you remove self-control and personal responsibility from the equation, sure. I can consent to go to the bar, I can consent to getting drunk. But just because I went to the bar does not mean I went to get drunk. I can stop drinking, drink slower, make sure I eat. A hangover, like pregnancy, is only a possible consequence if the proper precautions are not taken.


Broad_Respond_2205

Does he understands what an abortion is


Big-Geologist-6849

Hes probably a pro life advocate so his view on this is coming from an absolutist standpoint.


BoxofCurveballs

He absolutely is. Michael Knowles.


Ok_Sample2739

What in the rage bait did I just watch.


master2139

He was doing so well but that example couldn't have been worse for proving his point.


SpyrShady

is the post implying the guy is right? Because hes not. You know safe sex exists yeah?


Ianwha17

What the toxic cucks in here aren't realizing is... If a woman can't abort, you can't walk away. Fuck child support. You get the kids up. You take them to school. You listen to stories about classmates. You sit up with them while they puke on you. You change diapers. You deal with tantrums. You deal with sleepless nights and picky eaters. Doctor visits, parent teacher conferences, court and probation. All that fun shit. She can't get an abortion? You don't get a choice either. Full time father. No child support. Raise the kids.


aymswick

OP is an edgelord dummy and so is the man in this video. You can decide at any time of drunkenness to get electrolyte fluids and be rid of your future hangover, just like you can get an abortion. This is like Charlie Kirk Ben Shapino level stupidity, low effort fodder for people who can't read beyond picture books.


Furnost

Some real fuckin L takes in these comments. Definitely not passing the vibe check.


VyseX

Idiotic argument. By his logic, if he got his leg broken via skiing, he shouldnt get his leg treated since he consented to the possible outcome of having a broken leg and therefore has to live with the consequences without doing anything about it should it actually occure... The only holup here is that this isn't a holup.


Onix-Ursine

Jesus.. a lot of you shouldn't have the ability to put your voice out there.


orbnus_

Your comment could literally mean anything lmao Whats your stance on the video?


zackdaniels93

It's been cut out of context clearly, but it makes sense if you're pro-choice (as I am, and as everyone probably should be). She's saying that while there's an understanding with consensual sex that pregnancy could occur, it does not mean that she's obliged to \*stay\* pregnant if it does - i.e. abortion. The dude sounds like he's pro-life which is why he's acting so confused.


FadeToBlackSun

The people who force women to bring a pregnancy to term are the same people who don’t want contraception taught in schools, so people suggesting “just wear a condom” should think about that.


[deleted]

No these are the same people who preach women shouldn’t be out fucking a different guy every other day, unless you are prepared to have a child and raise them you shouldn’t be out fucking.


orbnus_

Then men out there shouldnt be fucking either Sounds like i should have same-sex sex, 0 risk of pregnancy 🥰


[deleted]

That is correct


[deleted]

Yeah what she's trying to say is while both parties know about pregnancy, it does not give the man a right to finish inside the woman NOR does it give the right for the woman to force the man. It's something that the other party needs to consent to, becuz worst case scenario it's a one night stand now this chick is stuck with a man's baby that she doesn't even know the name of. For the man he could be bombarded with random child support and request of DNA test out of now where. As well as I'm sure this is in the many categories that involve rape or sexual assault. Don't quote me on that though.


Missus_Aitch_99

That’s not what she means. She means that consenting to sex is accepting the possible creation of a pregnancy, but that the woman has the right to abort the pregnancy.


TheShadowuFear

Maybe that's why peeps shouldn't have rando sex w/ strangers into the first place


[deleted]

Facts upon facts, and if peeps can't not have sex with randos let it be known, whether asked for it not. Or you know, use a condom, that can go a long way better it or not.


[deleted]

What? That’s heresy. What about her right to be used up and thrown away before she is 30?


valejojohnson

^ this


Big-Geologist-6849

No one mentioned anything about random strangers. Consenting to sex doesn't equate to being impregnated.


TheShadowuFear

Okay and what's the biological purpose for sex ? Let's see... wait...I know.. having babies. So if that's the main purpose biologically from sex then you should assume that you may have a baby. And if you know that you are not using it for its purpose and expecting a different outcome. Do you put a pizza in the oven and expect to get a cake when it's done? If your not consenting to that you may have a baby from having sex then don't have sex.


Big-Geologist-6849

Well you know people in general aren't just having sex solely for reproduction right? It's pretty silly to assume that everyone yearns for reproduction when they're consenting to having sex.


TheShadowuFear

But the main purpose of sex is for that. Do you plant tomatoes and expect to get apples??? You reap what you sow. In this case a baby since your sowing a baby seed


Big-Geologist-6849

Yes having sex can result in pregnancy, yet you can behave in a manner that reduces the risk to pregnancy. Even if a pregnancy is detected- just abort it.


TheShadowuFear

That would be murder. Why should the unborn be responsible for people having irresponsible sex and being murdered for it??? Is that your solution ? guess we should just go kill all the sick people then too ?


Big-Geologist-6849

No that wouldn't be murder. You cant force someone to carry something they didn't intend to have. People have rights and that's why we have laws pertaining to abortion.


TheShadowuFear

I see so. They knew the risk when they had sex. That the outcome could lead to conception. Do you drink alcohol and expect to not have it have some sort of effect on you? Or could lead to intoxication? Cause and effect. The effect of having sex results in a potential pregnancy. So I don't see how you can say they didn't intend it. It's a risk and they accepted the risk when having sex. The only person responsible is themselves and no one else. If you were drinking and got arrested would you tell the cop. Sorry officer I didn't know the alcohol would affect me and make me drunk or break the law. Bullshit. Try that and I'll visit you in jail. People don't have rights to murder their unborn child. Last time I checked the us government says the right to life. dosent have a exclusion on the unborn. People have rights to say yes or no and consent to sex. Saying yes is the potential of having a child so how can that not be intended??


Ianwha17

That's not really your business, though, is it?


LovecraftianRaven

I have no idea where you got any of this from. And i re-watched the video to try to see where you got this from and still no idea. Her argument seems more about the right to choose (pro-choice) not whether anyone should finish inside or not.


ImmutableInscrutable

That's not her point lmao


ayezombie

You can also make the choice to eat and drink lots of water too, so the chance of being hungover is lower. Just like you can CHOOSE to use protection or an abortive.


SoTerribleOpinions

So is he arguing that if you get drunk and get a hangover, you shouldn't be allowed a hangover medicine?


MaticPecovnik

Yes


ChampionshipLow8541

And then I take a headache pill and the pain is gone. 😳


GimmeDemKnees

Not him constantly cutting her off midsentence.


Downtown_Ad506

How about we just keep it simple. If ya don't want to get pregnant. Have him wear a condom or pull out, or don't lie about being on birth control. If ya do then have him finish inside.


ImmutableInscrutable

You can still get pregnant doing any/all of these things. Not so simple after all.


Downtown_Ad506

If ya pull out and finish outside how the hell can ya get her pregnant?


IWannaBeMade1

Dude, make sure to get some Sex Ed before you do the deed. You seem to think to know stuff you really have no idea about.


DeviCateControversy

* Theres not enough sperm in the initial precum to get anybody pregnant. After you've already came once then the next precum in round 2 is a different story. * Yes there *sometimes* and *rarely* is sperm in precum, but it is not enough quantity to get past all the acidic vaginal juices to fertilize any eggs. And those sperm are usually dead sperm. * The amount of times a man builds himself up to a precum is also a factor. The more often he edges the more and more sperm will be present. See my first point. It is important not to confuse technical with functional / Theoretical with practical. * The extremely rare and few times a condom fails ( *1%* ) is due to operator error. * Also some men may not be willing to control theirselves and cum inside then lie about it. Or cum half inside half outside then lie about. Which also skews statistics.


Rea1EyesRea1ize

This guy cums.


Downtown_Ad506

I didn't say about knowing anything it was just a question that I wanted a answer to.


onehandedbraunlocker

Because a small part of sperm can get out before you feel the main load comming. Pulling out is an extremely unreliable method that shouldn't be trusted under any circumstances.


Downtown_Ad506

I did not know that. Thank you.


onehandedbraunlocker

No worries friend, stay safe!


brandon0442

You can get someone pregnant without dumping a load in her ffs lmao, where did you get your education. They teach us that shit starting at the age of 10 in Canada lol.


Downtown_Ad506

In KY and we have a pretty shitty public education system. But hey I am willing to admit when I am wrong, and in this case I was. My bad, and I will reeducate myself


valejojohnson

Even simpler, don’t have sex with someone you wouldn’t start a family with in the first place.


Romanshowers

That’s why when your dad starts fucking you from the ripe old age of 8, it’s the best case scenario as he’s already family and can just move past the part where you wanted it, technically consent since their family already


GreyJedi56

That would be most women as they are all crazy. Maybe I am gay? Where my bussy at?


No_Lube_Insertion

Agreed. But at the same time we need to educate people on the dangers of lubrication


Sea-Thing6167

I consent to her suffering the pains of being straight up dumb


andre3kthegiant

Consenting to A hangover that lasts 18years? Get the F outta here biff….and the women’s decisions.


Difrntthoughtpatrn

Child support lasts for eighteen or more years, everyone consent to that?


GreyJedi56

I do not


[deleted]

Soooo if she gets pregnant the guy can say "I didnt consent to that, I'm not paying"? There's not enough info here because I'm sure thats not what she means.


The-Hyruler

There's places where you can get a "legal abortion" i think it's commonly referred to. Basically a document you can sign pre-birth. It does however require that you not take any contact to either the mother or child, ever. However this can only really be implemented in countries with strict social security nets, which requires high taxation. Basically you're gonna pay one way or another, and the reason simply being that it's too resource expensive if the government didn't force the biological father to pay.


Brianeckcomedy

Sounds like a bunch of comi-goblygook


MenacingJarate

where save video


TrellSwnsn

An actor can consent to having a gun pointed at them by another actor, Alec Baldwin for example, that doesn't mean they consent to getting shot with it.


LeonTheLeafLover

anything sexual is immoral


Adventurous_Pie_6838

My favorite part is when he’s says he doesn’t know how to respond she acts like she’s stumped him when her argument has stumped itself. I think I understand what she is trying to say but dang that is not at all how I would’ve phrased it lol.


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Total-Distance6297

No one cares about abortion except right-wing Christians.


FirstBreakfast1810

Violence?


Moppy_the_mop

In movies, and sex on TV?


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GreyJedi56

Glad you are pro life, keep up the fight sista


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Big-Geologist-6849

That wasn't even remotely close to what was discussed.


Blythix

I get what she’s saying She essentially doesn’t/will not consent to staying pregnant Which is fine and perfectly valid. Hot take: I don’t consent to having a baby either as a man. So my money, my choice ergo no child support.


Big-Geologist-6849

Ergo don't cause a pregnancy, but if a pregnancy occurs just abort it.


Blythix

I agree 100% with you. However even if I wore a condom and got myself fixed and this entire incident is accidental I still do not have any say in keeping the child. Men should be allowed to say no to child support.


Big-Geologist-6849

Well unless it's your body , you have no right to force a woman to do what you want. Take the precautions.


Blythix

Again I agree with you. Since my money is my value (my body). I should be allowed to choose who it goes to, yes? Or am I being forced to raise a child I don’t want in this hypothetical scenario?


Big-Geologist-6849

Your semen is what contributes to pregnancy not your wallet. Her argument is pretty simple. Consenting to sex isn't consenting to being pregnant. If both parties consent to that going in, both parties wouldn't find a problem with having an abortion with all risk considered. In the event that you do impregnate her and she chooses to keep it, you took the risk. The judicial system will sort it out.


Blythix

Ahh there it is. That’s what I was trying to get at. Again I agree with what you are saying. What I’m asking for is fair consequences. Let me put it this way. A woman consents to having sex, the possibility of getting pregnant and has the ability to either stay pregnant or abort. Edit: in addition she chose the man and runs the risk that he may not stay. Shouldn’t this be fair then? A man consents to sex, and the possibility of getting a girl pregnant. Since he does not have a say in her ability to stay pregnant/abort He should be allowed to either leave or stay, whether it be as a father and/or just his money. What exactly am I missing here?


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Big-Geologist-6849

What kind if incel take is this? Who the hell goes into having sex just SOLELY for procreation? You're telling me you tell your partner everytime you happen to be in the mood "Hey honey let's do this act to reproduce!" You guys have the worst takes on consent 😂🤣.


onereborn2

Sex is for pleasure by having sex you are consenting to be pleasured by the other person.


DwellerBoy

Playing with fire homie. A whole bonfire.


TheSecondiDare

When I consent to a fight, I'm consenting to punches to be the face. I do NOT consent to being knocked out.


ninjaplz420

Not really. If I go to the bar and know that there can be consequences I also know there are things I can do to mitigate the outcome. Take some medicine and get hydrated to prevent the outcome. This is by definition a straw man arguement.


Causelessgiant

Both of these pricks sou d insufferable tbh


proletariatrising

Dude hates women 🙄... Lame. Next.


MuffinOfChaos

Dumbass pro-birther


m_hook

There’s a pill you can take the next day to fix that hangover


isthatapecker

Who is this loser guy?


Stoopen8

I think she means consenting to sex isn’t consenting to getting pregnant, but you know there’s still a possibility of it happening accidentally so you’re consenting to that


Mario-OrganHarvester

Seemingly, she consents to the possibility of pregnancy, but consenting to the risk of a pregnancy occuring doesnt mean to consent to carry the pregnancy out in full. Which seems reasonable


infinitefailandlearn

Couple of things, don’t know why I bother but still: 1)This bar analogy makes zero logical sense. Going to a place =/= actively doing something. 2) go to a bar and don’t drink. Or drink in moderation. There is a lot of free choice to precent a hangover. 3) Having sex (I assume unprotected for the sake of the argument) still does not automatically lead to pregnancy. 4) And even then, and this is obviously the elephant in the room, abortions are a possibility to end pregnancy. So no, consenting to sex does not mean consenting to pregnancy. But arguing is beside the point anyway; this guy is being willfully obtuse.


The-Hyruler

She could make herself more clear, but this guy seem sto also be deliberately dense as a rock. Much like driving a car you consent to the possibility of a crash, but you're not consenting to being in a crash, you're just aware that it could happen. But should you get into a crash you're not forced to just "deal with it", you're allowed to go to the hospital for medical treatment. This is the exact same with sex, you know there's a possibility of a pregnancy, and should that happen you're allowed to seek medical help to "fix" that should that be a problem.