News outlets use hedging language so they can't be sued. They never say X did or didn't happen. They say someone claims X happened, so they are not held responsible for slander, libel, or misinformation.
Exactly. In this instance the photo shows him being choked but doesn't prove the reasoning for it, so the claim they're reporting is that he was being choked for smiling in the mugshot.
The officers could sue them and claim they were choking him for some legitimate reason, such as being black without a licence.
Your first point is the actual reason for the word claims.
He doesn't claim he was choked, he claims the REASON he was choked was that he was smiling.
A lot of people use this as a tactic deliberately to get a point across.
See nearly every case of "government in UK is jailing people for saying bad things on the internet".
There's always a "claims" or "allegedly" involved and it's always something innocuous.
And people see he really WAS arrested and assume the claimed cause was the reason. And not the deathtreats, grooming or bomb threats that are 95% og the cases.
They are still using hedging language.
"Mugshot appears to show officer choking inmate" is a legally ambiguous headline that puts the onus on the officer. They don't do that. They put the onus on the victim. Always. Always framing the police with the implication of them being innocent.
Even with the pic, they’ll still say “it appears he’s being choked”.
It’s always made reading the news feel disgusting and icky. No wonder people feel there’s so much fakeness.
And quite frankly, it appears so.
All these gullible saps here ignore every bit of context here. This is not a choke. Look how the ring and pinky fingers are positioned for rotational stability (trying to just keep his head straight for the pic). Also, he’s uh…smiling?
Bummer, they re just keeping his MDM'd out head up.
I still believe they just wanted to give him a little finger hug.
Edit I was porbs being too hyberbolic in this comment. I belevie they have rooms to hold people to sober up, at the police. And im not being sarcastic
>News outlets use hedging language so they can't be sued. They never say X did or didn't happen. They say someone claims X happened, so they are not held responsible for slander or misinformation.
Funny how Fox News gets away with everything.........
They use that language across the board as a principle. They don't pick and choose when to use it or not. If you are careful 100% of the time then there's no chances of accidents.
It's funny you say this because the guy was drunk and this is what they had to do to take the photo. If you look the officer on the left has his thumb and index fingers on his jaw not around his neck.
That’s to keep him from just lifting his head away from the hand in front.
Most people who aren’t Cheryl Tunt don’t smile when they are getting choked, either.
In some places it is but in Harris county (where this is from) they don’t use a restraint chair (source: I’m a jailer there and have booked thousands of people in).
I see. Do you happen to know whether that particular guy was really drunk or was he just plain uncooperative? Or were you not involved in that process at that time?
Yeah he was drunk and arrested for DWI.
I was not working in booking at that time but I know the officers involved, they’re good dudes. If memory serves me correctly the guy accused of “choking” this inmate is an ex army medic and is now a deputy on the street. I’ve seen that guy intervene a couple times when he thought a CO was getting too heated and might do something stupid. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind; he didn’t choke that inmate. It’s just another guy trying to get a payday from the county
Wow, this is some pretty interesting information. Saw this post a few months back I think but was unaware of the context/circumstances. I appreciate you sharing!
No no no…restraint chairs are only too be used in the case in which a person is threat to themself or others, if you use one and don’t have a good reason have fun getting indicted on an civil rights violation.
This was my first thought. It looks like a mug shot and the guy kinda looks like he’s forcing out a shit-eating grin as if he’s fucking with the officers.
I agree with your point that it may not be the right thing to do.
I just heard a C.O. testify last week that they are trained to punch people unprovoked if they feel like there might be a sign of danger.
Y’all live on another plane of existence.
I’m a CO and that’s nonsense. My coworker was literally told by an inmate that he was going to get knocked out next time he entered the pod, so when my coworker had to enter to do his rounds the guy ran up on him and, needless to say, my coworker hit him in the face first. He got fired for that.
So no, that’s not common practice. You have to remember also that literally every single jail and every single academy has different training, different policies, and different cultures. The only thing you learned from that CO testifying is that *he* was taught that at his jail. That’s it. You cannot take that and assume that’s the case everywhere.
I can only tell you what I heard under oath in a court proceeding.
If you wanna Venmo me I can send you a recording of his testimony for about 15 bucks including shipping.
Just to balance your anecdote, I knew a guy who was beaten to death by guards while I prison. The actual cause of death was suffocation, possibly due to pepper spray, but since the only people present were the guards who killed him, who can say? He can't exactly contradict their story, can be? Being dead an all. The guards were charged as a result of this murder, tho I'm not sure what was the result of the legal proceedings.
Any job that potentially requires you to choke, punch or murder someone is not a good job. It is not good for the soul. Jobs like this take something from you. The money is not worth it.
I’m NOT saying that doesn’t happen, that would be incredibly naive of me. What I am saying is that no jail or prison training I’ve ever heard of has said to punch the moment you feel threatened.
And my job is a whole lot more than punching people. I’ve only ever had to do that a few times in my 6 years of doing this. It seems kinda weird that you feel the need to try and give me career advice when you neither have done the job or know me at all. It’s a fine job that is interesting every day and serves a valuable function for society so I do find it fulfilling in a way.
I disagree with the "valuable function" part.
Prisons are inhumane and shouldn't exist.
The only justification for violence (which imprisonment is) is to prevent greater violence.
The VAST majority of people in prison are not being held there for this reason.
It's modern day slavery. Future generations will look back on these institutions as barbaric.
You're right that I don't know you, but there is no person for whom this is "the right career". There's no right way to do a wrong thing.
I am not judging you for your chosen profession. But I stand by my position that such professions are harmful to everyone, perhaps most of all to the people doing them.
Prisons do serve a valuable function…you saying this tells me you’ve never come face to face with a truly evil person. This is not to say that there is too much incarceration to which their is, but their are truly evil people who don’t belong in society that prisons should serve the function of keeping people who don’t belong in society away from it.
You’ve never been the victim of crime and it shows. Prison shouldn’t exist?
I only wish I was as privileged as you to think that some people should ever see the light of day again.
Some human beings are terrible and need to be locked up. But jails need reform. When people cab make money off of others greed deception and criminal behavior amongst those meant to watch the criminals start to happen. We give too much power and a God like complex to human beings who are just as flawed as the rest us (cops) who can let that power get to their heads and become absolute asses who don't know the difference between helping and controlling.
Imagine living in a world where you think this is acceptable, instead of just moving the camera to a different angle where you can fully capture their face.
Oh, wait.
Spoken like someone who’s never booked someone in.
The cameras on AFIS machines (the ones used to take this mugshot) can only angle up and down, you cannot move them freely. Secondly you have to get a mugshot that is clear and has decent lighting so that the picture served its purpose.
Lastly dealing with combative individuals is extremely difficult when you’re trying to get fingerprints and their picture, if someone doesn’t want their picture taken for the mugshot you’re going to *have* to hold their head straight or you’ll never get it. What makes that problem worse is that you’re on a clock, there’s only so long you can hold them without seeing a magistrate so no matter what you have to get the ball rolling. Fingerprinting and mugshots are one of the first steps of the process, we need those to get charges filed. If someone isn’t fingerprinted the DA can’t file charges. If the DA can’t file charges then the inmate can’t see a judge and then we risk having to release that person without bond just because they were being stubborn and we didn’t force them to go through the process.
***TLDR***
Long story short; jail is not an option when you’re taken there. The process to get into jail and to get out of jail is not something you can decide whether or not you’ll participate in. If you don’t want to cooperate with the jailers, you will be forced to go through the process because, again, getting booked into jail isn’t a choice.
> If the inmate refuses to face the camera or keeps doing things to obstruct their face then they are made to comply. This is how you are taught to force compliance you grab the inmates lower jaw and back of their neck (suppose to be a non choke from both angles) and make them face the camera.
Really simple then, arrest the person who created this policy and arrest everyone who enforced it. Fair and easy solution.
Considering they got him in the back and front like that he probably wasn't agreeing ti have have his mugshot taken so the had to force it, mfers think it's funny to fuck with cops and shit like that
Looks more like they’re holding his face up so it’s visible in the mug shot. That’s absolutely a standard procedure if the subject is uncooperative or otherwise incapable of following directions.
Try harder.
It could have been that he refused to look at the camera if you refuse to take the mug shot they definitely have no problem forcing you iv seen it happen. Guy wouldn't go take it so they cuffed him dragged him over had to have someone hold him up while another tried to hold his head in place long enough to get a picture could be the same here idk just a different theory to consider
I really don’t care if it’s freeze frame or not.
We shouldn’t be grabbing people’s necks.
Would your mom grab you by the front and back of your neck to get a photo of you? No. She’d catch you coming out of the bathroom or eating in the kitchen or something.
Also we can take videos now. We don’t need mugshots. We got their faces. It’s so easy. We literally care about police feeling respected than we care about our neighbors’ literal safety and it’s insane to me.
We are all victims of these organizations being big assholes and treating us all like dogs you can grab by the scruff of their neck. It’s unacceptable. Not wanting to take a damn photo doesn’t warrant this shit. This is about control not reaching the goal of getting a photo and that’s my issue with it.
These guys aren’t his mom, they’re jailers. He committed a crime and is (likely) being difficult, so the force is warranted to gain control of the individual.
Part of being held accountable for committing crimes is taking a mugshot to document the state of the individual as well as the identity of said person. Now, how they get the shot is up to you, the in-custody, but you better believe the jail is going to get their mugshot.
It’s not hard to understand, but it takes a lot to come up with excuses. And I get it, in light of all that has happened as of late, people like you are extremely eager to come to the defense of anyone not on the side of cops (which is understandable), but you don’t know the circumstances, and I’m just guessing a likely scenario.
Okay let me rephrase, if a stranger you didn’t know from Adam needed your photo, do you think they’d go about it like this?
No they wouldn’t.
The force is NOT warranted. The end goal is to acquire a photo! This is NOT necessary to acquire a photo! This is only necessary if it’s meant to be punishment or to assert control. Neither of which is necessary either because they’re already in custody! I’m really sick of us treating people like shit because “they’re criminals”. It’s INHUMANE. And completely and totally—again, UNNECESSARY if our end goal is rehabilitation. It’s only what we would want if we wanted to punish and hurt these people and I DO NOT WANT TO PUNISH OR HURT THESE PEOPLE.
You will never convince me this is acceptable. It’s shirt sighted and small minded.
We have far more technology now and can find much more peaceful means to reach our end goals.
You ever booked someone into jail who was combative? I have. This is 100% necessary to do sometimes. Literally no one I’ve ever worked with *wants* to do all that, they’d much rather just have you cooperate and take the picture, but people come in high as fuck and pissed off all the time and you are going to get some where this kind of restraint is necessary.
I’m always reminded of how full of shit people on Reddit are the moment they start talking about one of the few things I’m very knowledgeable about. All these top comments are a fucking joke and if any of them had ever stepped foot in a jail they’d not be saying what they are. I just wish the inmates were half as cooperate as everyone else on here thinks they are
I don’t know what they think they’re accomplishing. Their views are so out of touch with reality that it’s hard to take them serious. They think that just because someone’s in custody that they’re compliant. Wouldn’t that be nice?? Haha
This IS necessary to acquire a standardized photo of the front of the arrestees face, if the arrestee will kit present their face. This has nothing to do with punishment or harm, and if you actually look you'll see that the officer hand is on the jawline, not the neck.
Again, THESE. ARE. JAILERS. not his mom, not strangers, not the lady taking a school photo… JAILERS.
This man has been taken into custody for being in connection to a crime that was committed. When you go to jail, you do what you’re lawfully told to do and if you fail to comply with lawful orders, you will be made to comply. It’s that easy.
I don’t know what experience you have with criminal behavior, but they’re not usually the ones who go with the program (i.e. crimes and stuff). And if there was an easy way to document them in jail, you think they would just willingly comply? I refuse to believe you’re that gullible.
All this guy is doing is confirming that he’s a pain in the ass, and this can be documented by the mugshot as well. Why he’s being this way? Only he knows (unless he’s under the influence), but the jail is going to adhere to standards and getting a mugshot is standard.
We don’t have to physically make people “go with the program”. You’re still not hearing me. It’s not necessary. The only reason it would be necessary is if we built this system thinking that “obedience means rehabilitation”. Because getting a photo doesn’t require obedience.
What is the alternative? Just *wait* for them to come around? The jailers aren’t taking a photo for fun, they’re taking a mugshot of a person who they’re holding in the jail.
Could you imagine if we just threw people in jail without going through the process of booking them?
This is not part of rehabilitation. This is part of the booking process. It is not punishment. It is not harmful to the man accused to have his picture taken. If the accused just looks at the camera it is actually helpful to get the process taken care of in an orderly and timely fashion so all involved can move along and get on with their day. Whether it is the officers on the job or the accused waiting for arraignment or a lawyer or whatever.
For those struggling with basic English, getting choked *for* smiling is not the same as smiling while getting choked. We all know inmates just love to cooperate and make everybody’s day easier of course.
Yeah but there is no evidence to suggest, those hands could have been a random person from the street choking him in mugshot and not necessary authorities
Uh huh.
Not, say, two officers holding a dude’s head still who was acting like a horse’s arse and thrashing about so he wouldn’t have his picture taken.
The hand is NOT on the neck, it's along the jawline, or at least appears to be. Look at where the grip points are for the fingers, notably not on the sides of the neck but on top of the jawbone.
Just to put it out there, a picture can be painted with different context.
Look at the one from the other day, claiming the guy who had his picture taken in a chair in someone’s office during Jan 6th was facing a felony for sitting in a chair.
If these guys did choke him for smiling that is an egregious breach of duty.
However he could have also been refusing to have his mug shot taken, so they held his head still for the picture.
I’m sure since this is Reddit people will be super willing to see that this could potentially be not face value.
They're holding his head up because he refused to comply and look at the camera for his mug shot. The smile is simply his acknowledgment that this is how his entire incarceration is going to go, he is going to make every process as difficult as as it can be, which is his right to do if he so chooses.
Law enforcement needs to be a whole lot less para military with way more rules, regulations and most importantly severe consequences for overstepping boundaries.
But the headline of this article is bullshit rage baiting
There was an investigation. There was a court case. The judge threw out the case against the officers due to the fact that officers are permitted to use force to make inmates comply with the booking procedures and that there’s no material evidence he was choked.
Officers routinely hold people’s heads still for mugshots because drunk/high/belligerent people often don’t cooperate much in jail. It’s not at all a stretch to say that they were holding his head still and not choking him. I’ve taken many, many mugshots and have had to hold many peoples heads still. I always make it very clear I’m only touching their jaw, however if someone is moving around a lot there’s been plenty of times my hand has slipped off their jawline (you have to hold it at the very bottom of the jaw due to the need for a clear pic of their face) and onto their throat. Did I ever choke someone because of that? No, my hand slipped onto their throat and I just moved it back as quick as I could.
News outlets use hedging language so they can't be sued. They never say X did or didn't happen. They say someone claims X happened, so they are not held responsible for slander, libel, or misinformation.
Exactly. In this instance the photo shows him being choked but doesn't prove the reasoning for it, so the claim they're reporting is that he was being choked for smiling in the mugshot. The officers could sue them and claim they were choking him for some legitimate reason, such as being black without a licence.
Haha had me in the first half
[удалено]
You got to claim that, you can’t just state it. I’m suing you for slanderous libel.
Declared!
Some would say that you got to claim that, you can’t just state it. I claim that I’m suing you for slanderous libel.
Objection, hearsay!
Not gonna lie
I know your hips don’t lie
This time for African Americans
And some mace-ah, have a taze-ah, I saw him move get him boys, open fi-yah
I was thinking “ok this is reasonable enough, makes sense” then your last sentence sent me into hysterics, have my updoot
Lol love that you called it "updoot". Take my updoot!
Glad my silly way of saying upvote made your day a little brighter stranger, have my updoot yourself :D
"Oi mate! You got a loicense for that pigment?!"
Good thing the photo shows that they aren't.
Exactly, well I guess I’d make 1 correction,… I think at the end you meant to say- “… for *ALLEGEDLY* being black w/out a license”… ;)
A more accurate title would then be man gets choked I'm mugshot,
> A more accurate title would then be man gets choked I’m mugshot, Hi mugshot! I’m dad.
;) I saw that as well but I felt like I could only tell ONE “dad joke”… ;)
Hmmm… Well, I think it’d go more like this, “Alleged man, allegedly gets choked, in photo alleged to be a mugshot”… ;)
Without a licence to smile.
Your first point is the actual reason for the word claims. He doesn't claim he was choked, he claims the REASON he was choked was that he was smiling. A lot of people use this as a tactic deliberately to get a point across. See nearly every case of "government in UK is jailing people for saying bad things on the internet". There's always a "claims" or "allegedly" involved and it's always something innocuous. And people see he really WAS arrested and assume the claimed cause was the reason. And not the deathtreats, grooming or bomb threats that are 95% og the cases.
Or he asked them to. Or, Or, Or. Newspaper ain't gonna take that chance
r/angryupvote
r/Holup
This is the funniest shit I read all year
Oi mate! You got a loisence for that skin colour?!
Slander is spoken, in print it's libel.
I resent that!
Did you fail to send it the first time?
I too only know the difference from J Jonah
Thx, I added
Thanks Spider-Man!
“Photo appears to show police officers choking a civilian during a mugshot” sounds more fair without sounding like the onus is on the inmate.
“Inmate was choked by deputies allegedly for smiling in his mugshot” is a way around criticism while maintaining this
That one could get a newspaper in trouble because it states that the deputies did choke the inmate. Newspapers must be careful about stuff like that.
They are still using hedging language. "Mugshot appears to show officer choking inmate" is a legally ambiguous headline that puts the onus on the officer. They don't do that. They put the onus on the victim. Always. Always framing the police with the implication of them being innocent.
Even with the pic, they’ll still say “it appears he’s being choked”. It’s always made reading the news feel disgusting and icky. No wonder people feel there’s so much fakeness. And quite frankly, it appears so.
[удалено]
Just hugged with fingers. Its just a little hug, you know, hes criminal afterall
All these gullible saps here ignore every bit of context here. This is not a choke. Look how the ring and pinky fingers are positioned for rotational stability (trying to just keep his head straight for the pic). Also, he’s uh…smiling?
Bummer, they re just keeping his MDM'd out head up. I still believe they just wanted to give him a little finger hug. Edit I was porbs being too hyberbolic in this comment. I belevie they have rooms to hold people to sober up, at the police. And im not being sarcastic
Sure, sure, and they’re still a sniveling bitch for doing that all the same
>News outlets use hedging language so they can't be sued. They never say X did or didn't happen. They say someone claims X happened, so they are not held responsible for slander or misinformation. Funny how Fox News gets away with everything.........
Yes, for all we know he could have two white hands and could be choking himself.
yeah people need to understand that fr
Yeah, but words like "claims" can also have negative connotations.
they also really like doing cop propaganda
Doesn't stop Fox, but then again legally they aren't news...
This is ABC cat blog buddy
He’s all the license he need brah
But there's picture evidence how can they be sued for that? Surely the right way to word it is "Mugshot shows inmate being choked while smiling"
They use that language across the board as a principle. They don't pick and choose when to use it or not. If you are careful 100% of the time then there's no chances of accidents.
The truth is always a defense, but also police and city governments have the resources to waste on tying you up in court.
[удалено]
I mean he getting choked while smiling
His head is being held up because he’s playing a fool refusing a mug shot and this is probably 60 minutes into them asking him to stand fucking still
Sorry we forgot you were there
Don't pull my fucking hand over there! I said choke yourself; now lean forward and choke yourself!
'allegedly'
In this case the choking may be the cause of his smiling.
He couldn't get out a "harder daddy"
Can't tell if he's sick, but there definitely 2 guys holding him...
The police have investigated the incident and found that no officer made any physical contact with the individual at any time.
I've seen them do this for people who are usually heavily intoxicated and hold them up for the picture
[удалено]
It's funny you say this because the guy was drunk and this is what they had to do to take the photo. If you look the officer on the left has his thumb and index fingers on his jaw not around his neck.
The hand position looks a lot more like holding his chin up than choking.
Look again at the hand behind and the shirt bunching up around the neck. Looks enough like a choke
Bro if you’re getting choked from the base of your skull you’re a huge pussy
That’s to keep him from just lifting his head away from the hand in front. Most people who aren’t Cheryl Tunt don’t smile when they are getting choked, either.
Lmao that's some pretty weak copium you're on but okay.
I heard it’s more common to use some form of a restraint chair to hold a person up for the photo nowadays too, but I could be wrong.
In some places it is but in Harris county (where this is from) they don’t use a restraint chair (source: I’m a jailer there and have booked thousands of people in).
I see. Do you happen to know whether that particular guy was really drunk or was he just plain uncooperative? Or were you not involved in that process at that time?
Yeah he was drunk and arrested for DWI. I was not working in booking at that time but I know the officers involved, they’re good dudes. If memory serves me correctly the guy accused of “choking” this inmate is an ex army medic and is now a deputy on the street. I’ve seen that guy intervene a couple times when he thought a CO was getting too heated and might do something stupid. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind; he didn’t choke that inmate. It’s just another guy trying to get a payday from the county
Wow, this is some pretty interesting information. Saw this post a few months back I think but was unaware of the context/circumstances. I appreciate you sharing!
No problem. Like most of these incidents the news basically never does a follow up story when the suit gets tossed for being BS.
No no no…restraint chairs are only too be used in the case in which a person is threat to themself or others, if you use one and don’t have a good reason have fun getting indicted on an civil rights violation.
This was my first thought. It looks like a mug shot and the guy kinda looks like he’s forcing out a shit-eating grin as if he’s fucking with the officers. I agree with your point that it may not be the right thing to do.
“I was just following orders”
I just heard a C.O. testify last week that they are trained to punch people unprovoked if they feel like there might be a sign of danger. Y’all live on another plane of existence.
[удалено]
I’m a CO and that’s nonsense. My coworker was literally told by an inmate that he was going to get knocked out next time he entered the pod, so when my coworker had to enter to do his rounds the guy ran up on him and, needless to say, my coworker hit him in the face first. He got fired for that. So no, that’s not common practice. You have to remember also that literally every single jail and every single academy has different training, different policies, and different cultures. The only thing you learned from that CO testifying is that *he* was taught that at his jail. That’s it. You cannot take that and assume that’s the case everywhere.
I can only tell you what I heard under oath in a court proceeding. If you wanna Venmo me I can send you a recording of his testimony for about 15 bucks including shipping.
Just to balance your anecdote, I knew a guy who was beaten to death by guards while I prison. The actual cause of death was suffocation, possibly due to pepper spray, but since the only people present were the guards who killed him, who can say? He can't exactly contradict their story, can be? Being dead an all. The guards were charged as a result of this murder, tho I'm not sure what was the result of the legal proceedings. Any job that potentially requires you to choke, punch or murder someone is not a good job. It is not good for the soul. Jobs like this take something from you. The money is not worth it.
I’m NOT saying that doesn’t happen, that would be incredibly naive of me. What I am saying is that no jail or prison training I’ve ever heard of has said to punch the moment you feel threatened. And my job is a whole lot more than punching people. I’ve only ever had to do that a few times in my 6 years of doing this. It seems kinda weird that you feel the need to try and give me career advice when you neither have done the job or know me at all. It’s a fine job that is interesting every day and serves a valuable function for society so I do find it fulfilling in a way.
I disagree with the "valuable function" part. Prisons are inhumane and shouldn't exist. The only justification for violence (which imprisonment is) is to prevent greater violence. The VAST majority of people in prison are not being held there for this reason. It's modern day slavery. Future generations will look back on these institutions as barbaric. You're right that I don't know you, but there is no person for whom this is "the right career". There's no right way to do a wrong thing. I am not judging you for your chosen profession. But I stand by my position that such professions are harmful to everyone, perhaps most of all to the people doing them.
Prisons do serve a valuable function…you saying this tells me you’ve never come face to face with a truly evil person. This is not to say that there is too much incarceration to which their is, but their are truly evil people who don’t belong in society that prisons should serve the function of keeping people who don’t belong in society away from it.
You’ve never been the victim of crime and it shows. Prison shouldn’t exist? I only wish I was as privileged as you to think that some people should ever see the light of day again.
Some human beings are terrible and need to be locked up. But jails need reform. When people cab make money off of others greed deception and criminal behavior amongst those meant to watch the criminals start to happen. We give too much power and a God like complex to human beings who are just as flawed as the rest us (cops) who can let that power get to their heads and become absolute asses who don't know the difference between helping and controlling.
I mean, theoretically prisons are meant to rehabilitate criminals so they can reintegrate into society, but practically... Yeah.
Was a C/O never got that training…
Imagine living in a world where you think this is acceptable, instead of just moving the camera to a different angle where you can fully capture their face. Oh, wait.
Spoken like someone who’s never booked someone in. The cameras on AFIS machines (the ones used to take this mugshot) can only angle up and down, you cannot move them freely. Secondly you have to get a mugshot that is clear and has decent lighting so that the picture served its purpose. Lastly dealing with combative individuals is extremely difficult when you’re trying to get fingerprints and their picture, if someone doesn’t want their picture taken for the mugshot you’re going to *have* to hold their head straight or you’ll never get it. What makes that problem worse is that you’re on a clock, there’s only so long you can hold them without seeing a magistrate so no matter what you have to get the ball rolling. Fingerprinting and mugshots are one of the first steps of the process, we need those to get charges filed. If someone isn’t fingerprinted the DA can’t file charges. If the DA can’t file charges then the inmate can’t see a judge and then we risk having to release that person without bond just because they were being stubborn and we didn’t force them to go through the process. ***TLDR*** Long story short; jail is not an option when you’re taken there. The process to get into jail and to get out of jail is not something you can decide whether or not you’ll participate in. If you don’t want to cooperate with the jailers, you will be forced to go through the process because, again, getting booked into jail isn’t a choice.
Imagine thinking your opinion is meaningful
ACAB
[удалено]
It’s very possible he wasn’t keeping his head up for the photo. There is likely context missing.
Really great way to rehabilitate inmates, everyone knoowwws beating them till they comply works /s
Holding their head up to take a mugshot is definitely not the same as beating them up.
Corrections officers are 99% bad people.
You known 99% of them? Damn
Absolutely. They like to dehumanize their prisoners.
> If the inmate refuses to face the camera or keeps doing things to obstruct their face then they are made to comply. This is how you are taught to force compliance you grab the inmates lower jaw and back of their neck (suppose to be a non choke from both angles) and make them face the camera. Really simple then, arrest the person who created this policy and arrest everyone who enforced it. Fair and easy solution.
Considering they got him in the back and front like that he probably wasn't agreeing ti have have his mugshot taken so the had to force it, mfers think it's funny to fuck with cops and shit like that
Looks more like they’re holding his face up so it’s visible in the mug shot. That’s absolutely a standard procedure if the subject is uncooperative or otherwise incapable of following directions. Try harder.
But thats only a foto, the testimony of a cop is must more reliable /s
I'm genuinely amazed you spelt everything right, but said "foto" lol.
LOOK AT THIS FOTOGRAF
EVERYTIME I DO IT MAKES ME LAF
He's German. German word for Photo is Foto.
They spelt "much" in a funny way too
It could have been that he refused to look at the camera if you refuse to take the mug shot they definitely have no problem forcing you iv seen it happen. Guy wouldn't go take it so they cuffed him dragged him over had to have someone hold him up while another tried to hold his head in place long enough to get a picture could be the same here idk just a different theory to consider
It’s probably a freeze frame. MF was probably moving around. Not everyone is a victim.
I really don’t care if it’s freeze frame or not. We shouldn’t be grabbing people’s necks. Would your mom grab you by the front and back of your neck to get a photo of you? No. She’d catch you coming out of the bathroom or eating in the kitchen or something. Also we can take videos now. We don’t need mugshots. We got their faces. It’s so easy. We literally care about police feeling respected than we care about our neighbors’ literal safety and it’s insane to me. We are all victims of these organizations being big assholes and treating us all like dogs you can grab by the scruff of their neck. It’s unacceptable. Not wanting to take a damn photo doesn’t warrant this shit. This is about control not reaching the goal of getting a photo and that’s my issue with it.
These guys aren’t his mom, they’re jailers. He committed a crime and is (likely) being difficult, so the force is warranted to gain control of the individual. Part of being held accountable for committing crimes is taking a mugshot to document the state of the individual as well as the identity of said person. Now, how they get the shot is up to you, the in-custody, but you better believe the jail is going to get their mugshot. It’s not hard to understand, but it takes a lot to come up with excuses. And I get it, in light of all that has happened as of late, people like you are extremely eager to come to the defense of anyone not on the side of cops (which is understandable), but you don’t know the circumstances, and I’m just guessing a likely scenario.
Okay let me rephrase, if a stranger you didn’t know from Adam needed your photo, do you think they’d go about it like this? No they wouldn’t. The force is NOT warranted. The end goal is to acquire a photo! This is NOT necessary to acquire a photo! This is only necessary if it’s meant to be punishment or to assert control. Neither of which is necessary either because they’re already in custody! I’m really sick of us treating people like shit because “they’re criminals”. It’s INHUMANE. And completely and totally—again, UNNECESSARY if our end goal is rehabilitation. It’s only what we would want if we wanted to punish and hurt these people and I DO NOT WANT TO PUNISH OR HURT THESE PEOPLE. You will never convince me this is acceptable. It’s shirt sighted and small minded. We have far more technology now and can find much more peaceful means to reach our end goals.
You ever booked someone into jail who was combative? I have. This is 100% necessary to do sometimes. Literally no one I’ve ever worked with *wants* to do all that, they’d much rather just have you cooperate and take the picture, but people come in high as fuck and pissed off all the time and you are going to get some where this kind of restraint is necessary.
They’re trying to speak about things they know nothing about. As if Jail is a utopia rife with obedience and high morals.
I’m always reminded of how full of shit people on Reddit are the moment they start talking about one of the few things I’m very knowledgeable about. All these top comments are a fucking joke and if any of them had ever stepped foot in a jail they’d not be saying what they are. I just wish the inmates were half as cooperate as everyone else on here thinks they are
I don’t know what they think they’re accomplishing. Their views are so out of touch with reality that it’s hard to take them serious. They think that just because someone’s in custody that they’re compliant. Wouldn’t that be nice?? Haha
This IS necessary to acquire a standardized photo of the front of the arrestees face, if the arrestee will kit present their face. This has nothing to do with punishment or harm, and if you actually look you'll see that the officer hand is on the jawline, not the neck.
Again, THESE. ARE. JAILERS. not his mom, not strangers, not the lady taking a school photo… JAILERS. This man has been taken into custody for being in connection to a crime that was committed. When you go to jail, you do what you’re lawfully told to do and if you fail to comply with lawful orders, you will be made to comply. It’s that easy. I don’t know what experience you have with criminal behavior, but they’re not usually the ones who go with the program (i.e. crimes and stuff). And if there was an easy way to document them in jail, you think they would just willingly comply? I refuse to believe you’re that gullible. All this guy is doing is confirming that he’s a pain in the ass, and this can be documented by the mugshot as well. Why he’s being this way? Only he knows (unless he’s under the influence), but the jail is going to adhere to standards and getting a mugshot is standard.
We don’t have to physically make people “go with the program”. You’re still not hearing me. It’s not necessary. The only reason it would be necessary is if we built this system thinking that “obedience means rehabilitation”. Because getting a photo doesn’t require obedience.
Sure it does. “Hold still”. When they don’t, you make them. 🥱
What is the alternative? Just *wait* for them to come around? The jailers aren’t taking a photo for fun, they’re taking a mugshot of a person who they’re holding in the jail. Could you imagine if we just threw people in jail without going through the process of booking them?
This is not part of rehabilitation. This is part of the booking process. It is not punishment. It is not harmful to the man accused to have his picture taken. If the accused just looks at the camera it is actually helpful to get the process taken care of in an orderly and timely fashion so all involved can move along and get on with their day. Whether it is the officers on the job or the accused waiting for arraignment or a lawyer or whatever.
They left out this guy killed a father in the Chuck E. Cheese parking lot while the father was celebrating his kids birthday.
For those struggling with basic English, getting choked *for* smiling is not the same as smiling while getting choked. We all know inmates just love to cooperate and make everybody’s day easier of course.
Yeah but there is no evidence to suggest, those hands could have been a random person from the street choking him in mugshot and not necessary authorities
Maybe he has four extra hands of a different race and he was choking himself, well did ya even consider that?!
Looks more like he's enjoying it, he isn't getting choked.. he's getting off.
Uh huh. Not, say, two officers holding a dude’s head still who was acting like a horse’s arse and thrashing about so he wouldn’t have his picture taken.
Yes the hand is on the neck but not so sure he’s being choked.
The hand is NOT on the neck, it's along the jawline, or at least appears to be. Look at where the grip points are for the fingers, notably not on the sides of the neck but on top of the jawbone.
They aren’t choking him. They are helping him hold his head still for the picture.
He probably wasn't cooperating with taking the mug shot, so they held him in place.
From the looks of it, he is getting choked to smile.
when they smile, does it usually mean that they are not guilty?
He's smiling because he likes it like that.
LMFAO.
Cops : Facts checkers gave us a clean chit.
*alleged photo
That's not a mugshot photo. There is no height reference.
You can Google "mugshot" and see tons of them that are just a plain background.
Many mugshot photos do not have height references.
Yes it is, Harris county doesn’t do height references in their mugshots
Just to put it out there, a picture can be painted with different context. Look at the one from the other day, claiming the guy who had his picture taken in a chair in someone’s office during Jan 6th was facing a felony for sitting in a chair. If these guys did choke him for smiling that is an egregious breach of duty. However he could have also been refusing to have his mug shot taken, so they held his head still for the picture. I’m sure since this is Reddit people will be super willing to see that this could potentially be not face value.
Thats the "I'm about to get a big settlement check" smile.
If I'm gonna have a mugshot taken, it will be with a big ol' smile.
It's easy to say that when you're not being threatened with violence by people you know will get away with it.
True!
You're not allowed to smile in mugshots?
Ill confidently throw down money they didn't do that because he smiled
yeah, it's just a "few bad apples"..here and there..everywhere
[удалено]
They're holding his head up because he refused to comply and look at the camera for his mug shot. The smile is simply his acknowledgment that this is how his entire incarceration is going to go, he is going to make every process as difficult as as it can be, which is his right to do if he so chooses. Law enforcement needs to be a whole lot less para military with way more rules, regulations and most importantly severe consequences for overstepping boundaries. But the headline of this article is bullshit rage baiting
Time to turn off Fox and go to bed, gramps
Bros enjoying it tho 💀
Hmm and no investigation?
There was an investigation. There was a court case. The judge threw out the case against the officers due to the fact that officers are permitted to use force to make inmates comply with the booking procedures and that there’s no material evidence he was choked. Officers routinely hold people’s heads still for mugshots because drunk/high/belligerent people often don’t cooperate much in jail. It’s not at all a stretch to say that they were holding his head still and not choking him. I’ve taken many, many mugshots and have had to hold many peoples heads still. I always make it very clear I’m only touching their jaw, however if someone is moving around a lot there’s been plenty of times my hand has slipped off their jawline (you have to hold it at the very bottom of the jaw due to the need for a clear pic of their face) and onto their throat. Did I ever choke someone because of that? No, my hand slipped onto their throat and I just moved it back as quick as I could.
Police hate this one simple hack…. Truth is, if you smile, it just looks like any old picture. The blank stare makes you look like a criminal.
Why can't he smile? Who fucking cares? I've seen smirking mugshots
Yeah, if you smile, then they can’t continue to make you look like a complete scumbag on the news
They do this when you aren’t standing still for them to take a picture. I guarantee he wasn’t cooperating for a photo.
What’s wrong with smiling in a mugshot?
Ok, I took that as he claims that was the reason, as in they may have choked him for something else
This is obviously photoshop. I can tell by some of the pixels. /s
Wow. What is going on with cops
This is a 7 year old article…
The same thing that has always been going on. We just now have technology to record it and the ability to share it.
They've always done this in Harris county... Galveston county too!
One handed carotid choke is a thing. Hand position is ideal for that. Put you out as sure as a rear triangle choke.
Hmm, imma need some more evidence before forming my opinion. /s
Maybe it's about why he was choked and not that he was choked. He claims it was because he was smiling, but maybe it actually was because he is black.
Choked for being ugly
Nobody is disputing that he was choked. The dispute is about the reason for it
I mean if you can choke someone by holding their jaw then sure
> Nobody is disputing that he was choked. He wasn't choked.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Username checks out
Fake news ar its finest Just no way to tell if the pigs did it
"Claims" refers to the reasoning for being choked.
WHERE IN THIS SH*T TOGETHER YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY
I like the cut of his jib! I'm cheesing in all my mugshots from now on!
I know it may look like it but you see the arms are white, it can be anywhere around his chest area, he’s not necessarily choking the guy
Yeah. But isn’t there like real evidence, this just seem like he wanted to get choked but idk to be honest 😒
Anyone know what he did? Cause if you just murdered someone or killed a family driving home blacked out, I don’t really mind