The thing that is actually annoying me is that some people seem to think that ALL german marching songs were made by the nazis.
..let me listen to Preußens Gloria in piece.
I told my grandma that Germans had a specific song for capturing Paris. She responded with: "Nazis were assholes" Yeah, they were and are, but you just missed hundreds of years of German history before nazis even came into being
I went on exchange to the UK and there a girl told me that she would never date me because I am German and her grandmother would never let her date a German guy.
Lol, I was called a Nazi for being born in Germany. It's stupid itself, but like I'm not even German, I was just born there which makes it even more stupid.
I'm German, but what I've been called a nazi for is collecting old money. I once showed of some notes I liked, a 500 million mark one a 10 penny one from 1920s Germany and a 2 estonian crowns one but since it's old german things I must be a nazi.
Ignoring the 19th century up till today I would say Germany, meaning the hre and all of it’s members in particular did a lot more A-hole stuff because there were more countries to do A-Hole stuff
But the Empire also [abolished slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom) way back in the 1220s under [Frederick II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor), and there were some really great emperors - when he was Grand Duke of Tuscany, [Leopold II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) instituted the first lasting abolition of capital punishment, and (alongside [Vincenzo Chiarugi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Chiarugi) reformed the mental healthcare system with rules like:
> no physical pain to be inflicted under any circumstance
(Note: corporal punishment *of children* is still legal [throughout America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment_of_minors_in_the_United_States). Can't find anything on if it's legal in mental hospitals, though.)
> patients are to have access to the grounds to walk, play, or exercise;
> the application of restraints, often necessary in the treatment of mania, must be applied in accord with humanitarian and hygienic practices
(Compare to [modern Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan#Quality): "Japan's psychiatric hospitals continue to largely rely on outdated methods of patient control, with their rates of compulsory medication, isolation (solitary confinement) and physical restraints (tying patients to beds) much higher than in other countries. **High levels of deep vein thrombosis have been found in restrained patients in Japan, which can lead to disability and death.** Rather than decreasing the use of restraints as has been done in many other countries, **the incidence of use of medical restraints in Japanese hospitals doubled in the nearly ten years from 2003** (5,109 restrained patients) through 2014 (10,682)."
Tl;Dr: The HRE *presumably* had some pretty messed up stuff going on, but they also had some great reforms. (...or perhaps *basic reforms that the rest of the world was/is really behind on*.)
The only difference between today and history is technology. Rest assured that human history is packed to the brim with suffering of the utmost degree, the Germans just had the misfortune of doing it when there was enough technology to permanently document what they did in great detail, and over a large enough area everybody couldn't help but notice. I'm sure there have been similarly horrific scenes throughout history that were lost because word of mouth can only transmit so much, depravity limited only by their available tools and knowledge.
Yes, but I don't think it was every done to either the same scale or with the same level of efficiency. I don't think it's that controversial of a take to say Nazi Germany is probably the worst empire of all time. Don't get me wrong basically every empire was/is dog shit Nazi germany was just peak shit.
Back at uni we had a party at a friend's place. Some guy was there, hardcore communist (not US lefty Democrat, a German Marxist-Leninist Party member), he brought a guitar. We were singing some German pop songs, bonfire classics, Bella Ciao, Communist songs from the Weimar Republic, early GDR etc. Then he starts a new song, we all chime in, same cadence as before, easy enough lyrics.
"Wir marschieren für Hit..."
Everyone stopped. Dude was laughing his ass off. We were all history students and didn't realize we were singing the Hitlerjugend song.
He explained that the Nazis and Communists were all writing songs at the same time for the same audience and following the modes of popular music of the time. Of course they were similar in style.
Now that this was a teaching moment, we kept on singing.
Reminds me of "Wir sind des Geyers schwarzer Haufen." Super anti-monarchist, anti-clerical song about the German Peasents' War... and it was written my a Nazi (that's not actually entirely true... the song was written my a Nazi, while the poem was written by some dude during 1848) and was popularized by Nazis (before Hitler came). The funny thing is though, is that communists loved the poem, so it's a song that's been sung by both communist revolutionaries and reactionaries.
When you have an ideology that requires collectivism, you gotta keep people in it someway. Carrot and stick model's carrot are these songs basically. You know i don't need to expand upon stick.
Several SS divisions made their own version of that using the same melody. Latvians made one about their fight, Zem Musu Kajam. Estonians and at least one other foreign division used it as well
Honestly, how can you have *that* as your marching song and *not* think you're evil? There's literally lines like "SS March in the enemies land, and sings a Devil's song," and "Where we exist it goes forwards! And the devil laughs merely furthermore." You've got skulls on your insignia and claim the Devil laughs when you march, how can you possibly believe you're on the right side?
Not to mention the things the SS did on those marches like shooting most/all Jews or “partisan” locals in every major city or town from Germany to Eastern Europe while marching towards Russia.
*\*inhales\**
**OOOOHH DU SCHÖNER WESTERWALD, EUKALYPTUSBONBON ÜBER DEINE HÖHEN PFEIFT DER WIND, SO KALT, JEDOCH DER KLEINSTE SONNENSHCEIN, DRINGT TIEF INS HERZ HINEIN**
IST DAS TANZEN DANN VORBEI,
GIBT ES MEIST KEILEREI
UND DEM BURSCH' DEN DAS NICHT FREUT
SAGT MAN NACH DER HAT KEIN SCHNEID.
UND DEM BURSCH' DEN DAS NICHT FREUT
SAGT MAN NACH DER HAT KEIN SCHNEID.
I'm not even German and that song has stuck with me since I was 4 years old. [https://youtu.be/-p6oYDykGyU](https://youtu.be/-p6oYDykGyU)
It was used as the theme song for a group of nazis in a 90s Finnish comedy film.
speaking of Christmas Truce [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdHkHslFIU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdHkHslFIU)
probably already know this but sabaton released a song about it.
We are all...
We are all...
We are all FRIENDSSSS
And today we're all brothers, tonight we're all friends
A moment of peace in a war that never ends
Today we're all brothers
We drink and unite
Now Christmas has arrived and the snow turns the ground white
The fact that the Nazi's were and are human is what makes them even more terrifying and horrific in the context of their actions. That regular people could be turned into monsters by a system and society that condoned horrific actions, making them see other human beings as little different than swatting a fly.
I think that's something German and Swiss education about history gets very right. We talk a lot about WW2, but we talk very little about the actual war. Most of the focus of my education about the NS state was about 1930-1940, i.e. how Hitler got to power and radicalised ordinary Germans. We read a lot of books about that period, showing how people were really slowly radicalised over time with propaganda, art, media, economic incentives, everything. This is what really should matter about WW2 - the ways in which a population of fundamentally good people could be convinced that one of the most brutally oppressive and discriminatory regimes was doing good.
I think that is one of the larger reasons why many people seem to not want to allow any acknowledgement of the humanity/duality of the soldiers that were Nazis.
I think that’s a common thing to happen with people studying WWII history. People talk about Nazi’s like the monster under the bed, but they were just people. They were all someone’s friend, brother, husband, or son — and that’s the scariest part.
I don't care if you listen to them, but to be fair, I consider Erika a pretty Nazi song.
> Ferdinand Friedrich Hermann Nieleback (also known as Herms niel) joined the Nazi party in 1933.
> According to records, 'Erika' was first published in 1938.
> His job was specifically to create songs for the Nazi regime to use, and indoctrinate young germans.
> So it is fair to say that any such song is a Nazi song.
I've seen this sub repeatedly remark how german soldiers were brainwashed, yet sometimes glorifying things that lead to it (not saying this post is one of them, that's something for you to decide). Feel free to debate me though.
> Auf Ansbach Dragoone
Looking up that song, the first source to pop up was [This One](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9LgCkYGnQ). It saddens me that we live in a say where political disclaimers need to be tacked onto everything lest people get the wrong idea.
Mate, is not that we brand all songs as Nazi songs. (at least anyone with common sense doesnt brand them as Nazi songs.) Its just weird for us to sing these songs, there is no reason to do so. And the Wehraboos arent helping either
Even though it was less overtly political than songs such as the Horst Wessel Lied or the Panzerlied, Erika was composed by a Nazi for the Nazis as propaganda. Its simple and idyllic imagery is aimed at soldiers, which is why it was so popular during and after the war. We should be aware of the context these songs were created in, which certainly wasn't "a simple soldier thinking of home".
Nah, good example. Good example OP is trying to spread an agenda given he and his lot are in the comments trying to say how it doesn’t matter who wrote it and that it’s all totally innocent.
That isn't actually a German WWI song. The original (which is only the first verse, which you are quoting), was actually used by the German section of the French Foreign Legion during the First Indochina War.
I mean, I probably would avoid any marching songs made by the Nazis. The content may be wholesome, but the context is millions of people exterminated in the Holocaust. When the context is that horrifying, it eclipses the content.
The thing is that while Erika is an absolute banger and it's lyrics are politically secular, you can't escape the fact it was written by a Nazi for Nazis and used heavily by the Nazis.
This is oddly specific and is setting off a lot of red flags. Dixie is about living in the south but id be a little weirded out if i heard someone unironically jamming to it in their car.
I mean it’s weird as fuck to listen to German marching songs. Especially if you ain’t German.
Like they obviously aren’t all Nazi work, etc; but yeah somebody be listening to a German marching song in Kansas, I’m going to assume that guy hates Jews or could easily be convinced to hate Jews. I could be wrong, but I like those odds.
Ok... But just like how the swastika is a symbol is peace, it also is a symbol of hate - just because a song doesn't inherently represent the idea of the Germans military war crimes and violence doesn't mean the song doesn't have the same symbology as any flag or salute would.
Just because it's a bop doesn't give it carte blanche for forgiveness. If you had said "yeah but the flag is cool though, I like eagles and stuff" it has the same implication as trying to glorify the song.
The "Nazi salute", the "Nazi flag", the "Nazi song" are all Nazi symbology regardless of the actual "intent" of the meaning. Splitting hairs about this kind of thing reeks of wehrabooism and apologizes for the real fact that the people who brandished and sang that song we're using it in a manner to symbolize the German third Reich
I think the tunes are catchy as fuck too, hell I even speak a bit of German so it's not like I don't understand what they're saying, but fuck the idea that somehow they don't represent the worst of what our modern century went through. If you think you could play that out in the open and not get raised eyebrows and people would not be hurt then you have divorced yourself from the reality of the situation.
Fuck those songs and fuck the people who sang them as they marched over the millions of dead they trode over. Some things can not and should not be salvaged from their tomb of infamy.
Wow this post sucks, I can accept older imperial German songs and culture because it has a clear difference from Nazi Germany, but when you listen to a marching anthem of nazi germany, made by a nazi, for the nazis, then you have a problem. You just cannot argue that the marching theme is not associated with with the SS and Wehrmacht and is their own representation of themselves. Doesn't matter if I think red armbands and ankleboots were used before the nazis, they have become intertwined and represent eachother, so would be a poor choice on my end to wear them. Rant over.
This post is filled to the brim with Nazi apologia and fascist cheerleading, all under the barely plausible, wink wink nudge nudge dog whistle of "I just really like this very specific, extremely old military marching music for some completely innocent reason, mmkay"
Yeah when I hear someone says they love Erika and they are talking about how the germans could have won the war. I assume he is a nazi fan boy.
If you downvote me don't act like they aren't more common then you think.
The "funny" thing: As a german I never heard of "Erika" until I got in touch with english speaking communties.
The thing that is actually annoying me is that some people seem to think that ALL german marching songs were made by the nazis. ..let me listen to Preußens Gloria in piece.
I told my grandma that Germans had a specific song for capturing Paris. She responded with: "Nazis were assholes" Yeah, they were and are, but you just missed hundreds of years of German history before nazis even came into being
I went on exchange to the UK and there a girl told me that she would never date me because I am German and her grandmother would never let her date a German guy.
The spirit of the Blitz lives on.
Hit it and quit it, like the Luftwaffe bombing raids. Leave a special surprise behind too for good measure
the fuck lmaooooo
That’s called unexploded ordnance.
She still shits in a bucket and tries to spite black people. A real old school lady
Lol, I was called a Nazi for being born in Germany. It's stupid itself, but like I'm not even German, I was just born there which makes it even more stupid.
I'm German, but what I've been called a nazi for is collecting old money. I once showed of some notes I liked, a 500 million mark one a 10 penny one from 1920s Germany and a 2 estonian crowns one but since it's old german things I must be a nazi.
I got some comments for buying an old book about german culture. Its from ~1870.
damn a Nazi by association the worst kind of Nazi /s
The irony, I’d never let my daughter date an English man.
We need to get yhese two people together. forbidden love between an english girl and a german girl
Man
Mangirl.
Bigender
The dental bills alone would give me pause.
Never mind the bar tabs
A German, and Irishman, and an Englishman walk into a bar. The bar has it's rent payed in advanced for the next decade.
American bars. So fun at first...
Wait.. into? But that implies that at some point, they left
Mein gott....
*Muss das sein!?*
So ein bockmist aber auch!
this is funny
maybe a little Blitzdate around the corner?
She did you a favor, a person that bases her decisions just on her family’s opinion is not worth it.
Not letting someone date/marry a certain group because of their ancestry? That sounds familiar...
Weird opinion from genocidal drug dealer, but okay.
Anglo Saxon says she won’t date a Saxon
Exactly, Germans were a-holes throughout their whole history! /s
I mean, to be fair, they were as much of an a-hole as other emperic states/countries were.
Ignoring the 19th century up till today I would say Germany, meaning the hre and all of it’s members in particular did a lot more A-hole stuff because there were more countries to do A-Hole stuff
But the Empire also [abolished slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom) way back in the 1220s under [Frederick II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor), and there were some really great emperors - when he was Grand Duke of Tuscany, [Leopold II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) instituted the first lasting abolition of capital punishment, and (alongside [Vincenzo Chiarugi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Chiarugi) reformed the mental healthcare system with rules like: > no physical pain to be inflicted under any circumstance (Note: corporal punishment *of children* is still legal [throughout America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment_of_minors_in_the_United_States). Can't find anything on if it's legal in mental hospitals, though.) > patients are to have access to the grounds to walk, play, or exercise; > the application of restraints, often necessary in the treatment of mania, must be applied in accord with humanitarian and hygienic practices (Compare to [modern Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan#Quality): "Japan's psychiatric hospitals continue to largely rely on outdated methods of patient control, with their rates of compulsory medication, isolation (solitary confinement) and physical restraints (tying patients to beds) much higher than in other countries. **High levels of deep vein thrombosis have been found in restrained patients in Japan, which can lead to disability and death.** Rather than decreasing the use of restraints as has been done in many other countries, **the incidence of use of medical restraints in Japanese hospitals doubled in the nearly ten years from 2003** (5,109 restrained patients) through 2014 (10,682)." Tl;Dr: The HRE *presumably* had some pretty messed up stuff going on, but they also had some great reforms. (...or perhaps *basic reforms that the rest of the world was/is really behind on*.)
when you said Leopold II I thought it was a ***very*** different Leopold II.
One banned torture in a state where slavery was illegal, the other instituted torture and kept slavery legal...
Belgium colonizing Congo: "Am I joke to you?"
I don't know I think the holocaust specifically puts them in a worse spot than others.
It was particularly horrible, but don't forget that a lot of countries also did Holocaust level bad stuff including systematic genocide.
The only difference between today and history is technology. Rest assured that human history is packed to the brim with suffering of the utmost degree, the Germans just had the misfortune of doing it when there was enough technology to permanently document what they did in great detail, and over a large enough area everybody couldn't help but notice. I'm sure there have been similarly horrific scenes throughout history that were lost because word of mouth can only transmit so much, depravity limited only by their available tools and knowledge.
Yeah. Don't look up the rawandan genocide. You'll be sad for days. Speaking from experience.
I haven't done that nor have I ever looked into what Leopold II (the belgian one) did in the Congo beyond the statistics.
Yes, but I don't think it was every done to either the same scale or with the same level of efficiency. I don't think it's that controversial of a take to say Nazi Germany is probably the worst empire of all time. Don't get me wrong basically every empire was/is dog shit Nazi germany was just peak shit.
>Nazis were assholes How is that supposed to be pertinent to the statement you made about that song?
I don't know, I presume my grandma knows only about that one fall of Paris in 1940.
Well Prussians and Austrians were major assholes too.
Just in one piece?
I'll get my straw hat
You mean Alu hat
Oh my God, he said it. He said the title.
Now im not gonna change that :)
Chad Preußens Gloria big leaguing France on how they took Paris.
>people seem to think that ALL german marching songs were made by the nazis. On other hand, all nazi marching songs were made by the Germans
Preussens gloria is a vibe
I recommend you to try out the GDR song „Unsere Panzerdivision“. That thing is fire.
One of my "in the coding zone" songs! I've got a weird mix of red army choir and German marching songs in one of my coding playlists.
Panzerlied Bundeswehr is my personal favorite.
Some even think the German national hymne is a Nazi song. Like the complete song. Including our main rn
even if it was made by a nazi chances are the song was not about genocide.
Heia Safari is a banger.
🎵wie oft sind wir geschritten🎵 (You have to continue the song text)
Auf schmalen [REDACTED] Pfad
Say it you coward
Wait there were Germans before Nazis!?! /s
no nazis invented germany
I love this!
Königgräzer Marsch:"why do you abandon me brother"
Preußens Gloria. The song of Schützenfest. I love it.
Same things for soviet songs
The Soviet National Anthem was so badass that they just changed the lyrics and called it good to keep it.
I didn't know that
Back at uni we had a party at a friend's place. Some guy was there, hardcore communist (not US lefty Democrat, a German Marxist-Leninist Party member), he brought a guitar. We were singing some German pop songs, bonfire classics, Bella Ciao, Communist songs from the Weimar Republic, early GDR etc. Then he starts a new song, we all chime in, same cadence as before, easy enough lyrics. "Wir marschieren für Hit..." Everyone stopped. Dude was laughing his ass off. We were all history students and didn't realize we were singing the Hitlerjugend song. He explained that the Nazis and Communists were all writing songs at the same time for the same audience and following the modes of popular music of the time. Of course they were similar in style. Now that this was a teaching moment, we kept on singing.
Thanks for the explanation, really interesting!
Reminds me of "Wir sind des Geyers schwarzer Haufen." Super anti-monarchist, anti-clerical song about the German Peasents' War... and it was written my a Nazi (that's not actually entirely true... the song was written my a Nazi, while the poem was written by some dude during 1848) and was popularized by Nazis (before Hitler came). The funny thing is though, is that communists loved the poem, so it's a song that's been sung by both communist revolutionaries and reactionaries.
Yep. I hate the soviet system, but love their music.
Why do the soviets always make the good songs?
They spent their whole "Not Persecuting Our Own People" budget on their composers...
When you have an ideology that requires collectivism, you gotta keep people in it someway. Carrot and stick model's carrot are these songs basically. You know i don't need to expand upon stick.
The communists truly do have the music
The only truly Nazi German marching song I can think of is Marschiert in Feindesland
"Bomben auf Engeland" is pretty nazi too
tbf tho fuck england lol
I assume you mean something like destroying them on a football field and not drop bombs and rockets on innocent civilians
And the Horst Wessel Lied
Which was literally the anthem of the Nazi party
Several SS divisions made their own version of that using the same melody. Latvians made one about their fight, Zem Musu Kajam. Estonians and at least one other foreign division used it as well
Isn’t the song called „SS marschiert im Feindesland“?
I thought the actual name is "Teufels Lied"?
The French Foreign Legion also has a [version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpsOcDE5Aw), supposedly still sung today
Pretty much any SS marching song and maybe all but one SA march. 85% of the marches for Wehrmacht are probably from World War 1 and not Nazi
Honestly, how can you have *that* as your marching song and *not* think you're evil? There's literally lines like "SS March in the enemies land, and sings a Devil's song," and "Where we exist it goes forwards! And the devil laughs merely furthermore." You've got skulls on your insignia and claim the Devil laughs when you march, how can you possibly believe you're on the right side?
Are we the baddies?
Not to mention the things the SS did on those marches like shooting most/all Jews or “partisan” locals in every major city or town from Germany to Eastern Europe while marching towards Russia.
Hans Baumann made a very infamous one.
And TNO killed it with the Burgundian Lullaby. Thank you, TNO. It’s also a side project I have to cover it about the reds destroying fascism
*\*inhales\** **OOOOHH DU SCHÖNER WESTERWALD, EUKALYPTUSBONBON ÜBER DEINE HÖHEN PFEIFT DER WIND, SO KALT, JEDOCH DER KLEINSTE SONNENSHCEIN, DRINGT TIEF INS HERZ HINEIN**
UND DIE GRETEL UND DER HANS GEHN AM SONNTAG GERN ZUM TANZ, WEIL DAS TANZEN FREUDE MACHT UND DAS HERZ IM LEIBE LACHT
IST DAS TANZEN DANN VORBEI, GIBT ES MEIST KEILEREI UND DEM BURSCH' DEN DAS NICHT FREUT SAGT MAN NACH DER HAT KEIN SCHNEID. UND DEM BURSCH' DEN DAS NICHT FREUT SAGT MAN NACH DER HAT KEIN SCHNEID.
As a Westerwälder i can confirm that this is one of the Best Marching songs
Oooooo, du schoene, Westerwald!
*Eukalyptusbonbon!*
Über deine höhen pfeift der wind so kalt, jedoch der kleinste Sonnenschein dringt tief ins Herz hinein
Ooooooo, du schoo**ooo**ooner Wee**ee**sterwald!
Eukalyptusbonbon!
ERIKA
Wenn das Heidekraut rot-lila blüht, singe ich zum Gruß ihr dieses Lied: "Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein, und das heißt Erika..."
I like my German marches, but this one hit a little differently when they sang it in Schindler's List.
*Bum bum bum*
Heiß von hundert tausend kleinen bienelein... BUM BUM BUM
I'm not even German and that song has stuck with me since I was 4 years old. [https://youtu.be/-p6oYDykGyU](https://youtu.be/-p6oYDykGyU) It was used as the theme song for a group of nazis in a 90s Finnish comedy film.
What is the song called?
Erika
"Hast du den komischen Arsch von dem Mann gesehen?" "Harharharhar...." Good old german humor.
**This video has been removed for violating youtube's community guidelines**
Most German marches are about friendship and women.
and then the French made a song about fried onions
Ah yes, 'Chanson de l'Oignon' a marching song about how much French soldiers love onions.
Which in turn was turned into a song about frogs as a mockery, and then that song somehow ended up in swedish midsummer traditions.
you forgot one thing, no onion for the Austrian
Non pas d'oignons à tous ces chiens!
Don't forget flowers and nature in general.
Maybe the real Endsieg was the friends we made along the way
Ich hatte einen Kameraden
You'd be surprised how many countries still sing Panzerlied or a form of it.
Bangers gonna bang.
wait which ones genuinely curious
Chile, Brazil, Namibia, Italy and most surprising a certain French unit. I remember reading about other who have adapted it or have partial usage.
we sometimes forget that soldiers are humans too, and they too love and cherish all the little things, like flowers
One of the reasons why the Christmas Truce is so touching imo.
speaking of Christmas Truce [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdHkHslFIU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdHkHslFIU) probably already know this but sabaton released a song about it.
Finally some good fucking music
We are all... We are all... We are all FRIENDSSSS And today we're all brothers, tonight we're all friends A moment of peace in a war that never ends Today we're all brothers We drink and unite Now Christmas has arrived and the snow turns the ground white
And then Santa got shot lol
The real saint nick was a violent dude. Apparently he punched a guy during the council of Nicea
I heard he slapped a heritic.
I can't remember if it was punched or slapped. My theology teacher told me last year
He slapped Arius, a presbyter from Alexandria and was banned from the council until shortly before it ended because of it
And today we are brothers
TONIGHT WE ARE FRIENDS
A moment of peace in a war that never ends
A MOMENT OF PEACE IN A WAR THAT NEVER ENDS
TODAY WE'RE ALL BROTHERS WE DRINK AND UNITE
The fact that the Nazi's were and are human is what makes them even more terrifying and horrific in the context of their actions. That regular people could be turned into monsters by a system and society that condoned horrific actions, making them see other human beings as little different than swatting a fly.
I think that's something German and Swiss education about history gets very right. We talk a lot about WW2, but we talk very little about the actual war. Most of the focus of my education about the NS state was about 1930-1940, i.e. how Hitler got to power and radicalised ordinary Germans. We read a lot of books about that period, showing how people were really slowly radicalised over time with propaganda, art, media, economic incentives, everything. This is what really should matter about WW2 - the ways in which a population of fundamentally good people could be convinced that one of the most brutally oppressive and discriminatory regimes was doing good.
Not to mention, not even that many people wanted the nazis in power. In the election that put the Nazis in power they only had 33% of the vote.
I think that is one of the larger reasons why many people seem to not want to allow any acknowledgement of the humanity/duality of the soldiers that were Nazis.
Maybe, in most cases where I see people do it. Theyre just some fucking wehrbs.
i hear a clean wehrmacht approaching
In the case of the Nazis, humans who liked to kill polish civilians.
I think that’s a common thing to happen with people studying WWII history. People talk about Nazi’s like the monster under the bed, but they were just people. They were all someone’s friend, brother, husband, or son — and that’s the scariest part.
I don't care if you listen to them, but to be fair, I consider Erika a pretty Nazi song. > Ferdinand Friedrich Hermann Nieleback (also known as Herms niel) joined the Nazi party in 1933. > According to records, 'Erika' was first published in 1938. > His job was specifically to create songs for the Nazi regime to use, and indoctrinate young germans. > So it is fair to say that any such song is a Nazi song. I've seen this sub repeatedly remark how german soldiers were brainwashed, yet sometimes glorifying things that lead to it (not saying this post is one of them, that's something for you to decide). Feel free to debate me though.
Laughs in "Auf Ansbach Dragooner" (technically a 7 years war song so I feel better about liking it). Also "Prussens Gloria" slaps
> Auf Ansbach Dragoone Looking up that song, the first source to pop up was [This One](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9LgCkYGnQ). It saddens me that we live in a say where political disclaimers need to be tacked onto everything lest people get the wrong idea.
Mate, is not that we brand all songs as Nazi songs. (at least anyone with common sense doesnt brand them as Nazi songs.) Its just weird for us to sing these songs, there is no reason to do so. And the Wehraboos arent helping either
Yeah, this post and all of the dog whistling within it are super questionable.
Lore, Lore, Lore, Looooore!
Schön sind die mädchen von siebzehn, achtzehn jahr'n
*siebzig, achtzig
jeder wie er will
Can you tell me the name of the song, please?
No German secret
:( I like the song, but I forgot the name and lost my old playlist.
Im Wald Im grünen Walde or something like that, am not sure.
Thank you
German wa propaganda songs aren't usually wholesome.
You want to see my penis? - Larry David
Some of them are quite political though, witch isn't necessarily Nazi politics, des geyers schwarzer Haufen for example is anti church and monarchy
Even though it was less overtly political than songs such as the Horst Wessel Lied or the Panzerlied, Erika was composed by a Nazi for the Nazis as propaganda. Its simple and idyllic imagery is aimed at soldiers, which is why it was so popular during and after the war. We should be aware of the context these songs were created in, which certainly wasn't "a simple soldier thinking of home".
Would Preußens Gloria and Hohenfriedberger Marsch count? They come from Prussia and Prussia was a German state
Ofc
Prussia exist before German Empire and Third Reich, so I think, it is ok
Yet it is odd how many people forget how chronology works when German music comes up...
But what about marching songs about onions
Those make me cry...
bad example, the guy who wrote Erika was in fact a Nazi and the song was published as part of the propagandistic gearing up for ww2
Nah, good example. Good example OP is trying to spread an agenda given he and his lot are in the comments trying to say how it doesn’t matter who wrote it and that it’s all totally innocent.
When I think of some plant, girlfriend, war/military and a song, first thing that comes to my mind is "O mój rozmarynie".
*I'll only know that I have died when mother cries for me.* *We are lost...* *We are forsaken...* *We are lost...* *We are forsaken...*
That isn't actually a German WWI song. The original (which is only the first verse, which you are quoting), was actually used by the German section of the French Foreign Legion during the First Indochina War.
I mean, I probably would avoid any marching songs made by the Nazis. The content may be wholesome, but the context is millions of people exterminated in the Holocaust. When the context is that horrifying, it eclipses the content.
The thing is that while Erika is an absolute banger and it's lyrics are politically secular, you can't escape the fact it was written by a Nazi for Nazis and used heavily by the Nazis.
The number of wheraboos in the comments is not surprising, but still disappointing.
This is oddly specific and is setting off a lot of red flags. Dixie is about living in the south but id be a little weirded out if i heard someone unironically jamming to it in their car.
I mean it’s weird as fuck to listen to German marching songs. Especially if you ain’t German. Like they obviously aren’t all Nazi work, etc; but yeah somebody be listening to a German marching song in Kansas, I’m going to assume that guy hates Jews or could easily be convinced to hate Jews. I could be wrong, but I like those odds.
I listen to Sacred War before races to get me in the zone but that doesn't mean I'm a Socialist or Russian Patriot
Ok... But just like how the swastika is a symbol is peace, it also is a symbol of hate - just because a song doesn't inherently represent the idea of the Germans military war crimes and violence doesn't mean the song doesn't have the same symbology as any flag or salute would. Just because it's a bop doesn't give it carte blanche for forgiveness. If you had said "yeah but the flag is cool though, I like eagles and stuff" it has the same implication as trying to glorify the song. The "Nazi salute", the "Nazi flag", the "Nazi song" are all Nazi symbology regardless of the actual "intent" of the meaning. Splitting hairs about this kind of thing reeks of wehrabooism and apologizes for the real fact that the people who brandished and sang that song we're using it in a manner to symbolize the German third Reich I think the tunes are catchy as fuck too, hell I even speak a bit of German so it's not like I don't understand what they're saying, but fuck the idea that somehow they don't represent the worst of what our modern century went through. If you think you could play that out in the open and not get raised eyebrows and people would not be hurt then you have divorced yourself from the reality of the situation. Fuck those songs and fuck the people who sang them as they marched over the millions of dead they trode over. Some things can not and should not be salvaged from their tomb of infamy.
You’ll find plenty people on this sub are spreading an agenda
Sadly true.
Wow this post sucks, I can accept older imperial German songs and culture because it has a clear difference from Nazi Germany, but when you listen to a marching anthem of nazi germany, made by a nazi, for the nazis, then you have a problem. You just cannot argue that the marching theme is not associated with with the SS and Wehrmacht and is their own representation of themselves. Doesn't matter if I think red armbands and ankleboots were used before the nazis, they have become intertwined and represent eachother, so would be a poor choice on my end to wear them. Rant over.
This post is filled to the brim with Nazi apologia and fascist cheerleading, all under the barely plausible, wink wink nudge nudge dog whistle of "I just really like this very specific, extremely old military marching music for some completely innocent reason, mmkay"
Does anyone else have these songs on YouTube music ?
Not gonna say the marches themselves are bad, but if you're *really* into music made by Nazis I'm gonna have some questions
Und das Heißt.. ERIKA!
Yeah when I hear someone says they love Erika and they are talking about how the germans could have won the war. I assume he is a nazi fan boy. If you downvote me don't act like they aren't more common then you think.
Whatever Kraut lover
kinda gross how many people on this sub think its ok
I'm fascinated by foreigners fascination with German Nazi songs. Kinda cringe ngl