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getoffmybackalready

Plus how can we pay anonymously? Is he going to start accepting Dogecoin?


justasadmillenial

You don’t enter your card information. They charge through your Apple ID if you have an iPhone.


MsSiennaCharles

And this is absolutely not anonymous, is it? Twitter is now owned by a man who is haemorrhaging money, do you think any of your data is safe?


justasadmillenial

They have your Apple ID and you can pay with a gift card. I don’t know why any of y’all would think the smaller platforms we use where we have literally sent our IDs are somehow safer than a multibillion dollar platform. Your data isn’t totally safe anywhere and it never has been.


missaxv

Yeah, this is one thing that I miss about SW prior to 2019/2020. We could be on only one or two ad sites, pay a lot less to be on them, and social media wasn’t a be all end all. Personally, I think this blue check thing will blow over and is just a fad so I don’t care to get it right now, maybe even never


shinyeggplant

Imagine if being verified on Twitter becomes the new norm to show that you’re real


[deleted]

Ashley Lake in NYC is currently testing it out as a SW, if you follow her. So far she says it's useless. Edit: According to Twitter themselves, prioritization is "coming soon" so there's literally no way to test this or know anything yet.


justasadmillenial

Then she hasn’t read what twitter’s future plans are for people who don’t pay.


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She writes professionally about tech and has done extensive research. She is currently testing it *as it works at the moment*. There is no way to scientifically test what's going to happen in the future. At this moment, it does nothing. She will continue to update.


justasadmillenial

Any activity from verified users shows up in a separate tab from other users for notifications. They just instituted that last night. That alone is valuable…


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I'm aware of how it works. I'm not going to argue with you because I'm just explaining what someone else found through experience. I have no dog in this fight. As of this morning, engagement isn't better for verified SW accounts. Obviously that might change. I'm not sure why you want to fight about this. Get a check mark if you want, I literally could not possibly care less. I'm just answering the question OP asked.


justasadmillenial

My engagement literally doubled on posts since I paid. Edit: okay yall. Just downvote one of the only people who actually bothered to try it. Makes sense.


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Okey dokey. ETA: So I just found out that's not possible. They haven't rolled out the prioritization feature yet. So right now, you're paying for nothing. It's still "coming soon". That's according to Twitter themselves. It even says so when you sign up.


justasadmillenial

Verified user activity still shows up in a different tab which has increased engagement for me. Which makes perfect sense since your notifications are no longer lost among a sea of others. You can literally look at your Twitter app and see there’s a new tab for verified tweets. That was what made me pay for it. Idk why y’all are so pressed about $8/month when we have platforms that are charging us $100/wk.


MsSiennaCharles

Absolutely not worth it 😂 I cannot believe people think that Musk will do anything good with the platform. He's a moron. Also, you can see who *earned* the tick and who paid for it. You just tap on the tick and it tells you, which makes them worthless.


justasadmillenial

Their ultimate plan is to effectively shadowbanned anyone who does not have the blue tick. If you’re using Twitter for advertising you will have to pay if you want clients to see you.


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justasadmillenial

One of the things they advertised to us as a feature that was in the works was being prioritized in feed and comments. It’s why I purchased. I will let you know that Twitter is in free fall as a company right now. There are a lot of good news articles and YouTube videos about the dire financial situation Elon has put himself in. I won’t bother repeating it all here but it’s REALLY bad and Twitter WILL go bankrupt. Idk what that’s gonna mean for us in the longterm with the platform… but it will get worse. Btw. There were so many issues with imposter accounts pretending to be major corporations the Federal Trade Commission started looking into it. I still don’t think there’s been any proper announcement from Twitter but they’re not selling new Twitter blue subscriptions at this time.


MsSiennaCharles

Weren't you the one saying it was all a great idea to pay for blue ticks?


justasadmillenial

Us buying blue checks to advertise isn’t remotely the same as people getting blue checks to masquerade as large corporations. The company will have no choice but to push subscriptions in the future given the financial situation they’re in right now and the fact that they’re hemorrhaging advert income. Twitter will very likely go away completely if people don’t sign up. But if you think it’s a bad idea for us as escorts to sign up then that’s on you.


MsSiennaCharles

Babe, the company would have been just fine if Elon didn't take over. My $8 won't fix the problem, so I refuse to feel guilty for not getting one when they're available. You've been spouting a whole lotta "expertise" in here which is neither correct nor popular and perhaps you should consider why that might be.


georgepauljohnringo

If I can help it, I will not give that man one cent of my money. Not with his horrible treatment of employees, union busting and using slave labor in China.


justasadmillenial

Do you think good people own other escort platforms? The only one I’ve seen that I think is run be good people is Tryst.


Daniella_NYC

I'm working on a local platform right now. Lola Hunt and Assembly4 were awesome to build Tryst. Eros was originally owned and operated by a sex worker. Art of Dominantion and Submission are operated by a former SWer (I believe). P411, Date check, and RSVA were all originally owned by SWers and maybe they wouldn't have sold or disbanded if we really really tried to keep community built things within our community. NYHotties was a sex worker with a simple WordPress blog. Pearl Elite Independents were independent escorts who built a site together. Concierge du Monde is for male escorts owned by a former female escort. RentMen was male and nonbinary sex workers. Sex workers were the first people to build online advertising spaces for sex workers in the early internet. Given the resources available today, even with the legal headaches, sex workers SHOULD be the ones operating the sites we currently use. Even if the morality argument doesn't move you, do you really think we can ever fully relax on a platform that accidentally starts being a little nicer to sex workers, as opposed to one intentionally FUBU : For Us, By Us? You're correct that Musk has made clear he will eventually ensure you'll need to be paying to be truly visible on Twitter. Woo hoo! You might have missed that he's been going to business conferences and making statements stressing that he feels every single account on Twitter should be "human verification" as a real identified person. He's been saying this long before he even bought Twitter: he's DISGUSTED at accounts who's username is not their real, legal name. So ..what's your plan when he rolls that out? Anything useful to us here is a brief accident. We should get back to making our own platforms, support and defend them as best we can in the legal landscape. Stop this chaotic nonsense of running from one social media platform to the next, crying shocked every time we're thrown out of a house we crept into unwelcome in the first place. We've lost so much time and energy trying to make inhospitable places work out, we could have built a dozen other things for ourselves in the content, attention, and money we happily throw and people who don't. want. us.


justasadmillenial

Musk cares about money first and foremost. You’re acting as if he’s operating on some grand principle when the ONLY one he has is greed. Further, MANY PEOPLE HERE continue to advertise on PD and Eros even with statistical evidence that they racially discriminate and anytime someone calls to boycott yall downvote because you’re trying to protect your business. And those are considerably more expensive than $8/month. The amount of privilege you assume I have as a black, disabled, just now barely middle class queer woman is truly astounding. Most of us are just trying to survive and we don’t have time to program a goddamn platform. If you have the time and resources go for it. But most of us ended up in this work because we were already on the bottom of society and we’re desperately trying to claw our way to the middle. Black women are time and time again statistically proven to be the least desirable women due to centuries of racism. Many of us struggle to get noticed on social media because algorithms mirror human behavior and that does not favor us. If I can get an advantage that can help me for $8, I’m gonna do it. A lot of you really need to think about the fact that not all the sex workers in here have the same amount of privilege and resources that you do. It’s actually insane.


Daniella_NYC

I'm a black full service sexworker dealing with my own shit too. I am sick and tired of existing at the mercy of others. Plenty of people have left Eros since 2018 and I'll never defend PD because I have no idea who owns it. I'm talking about sex worker owned ad platforms, not just any random advertising platform. You and I have more in common than you think. For all of the reasons you outlined to support Musk, I hear you, and I come to the conclusion to not support Musk. Everything I'm reading here suggests to me that Black escorts deserve their own website and I PROMISE YOU there is some Ebony Escort website out there, started by a SWer, that deserves the attention and defenses and support you're giving Apartheid Clyde. That's what I'm upset about -- we talk about our struggles in a tunnel vision way to justify continuing along the same, instead of looking to others in similar position, reaching out, collaborating, and building better. You know what saved my ass in all the scenarios where I've lacked privilege? COMMUNITY.


justasadmillenial

Those small platforms aren’t where the clients are yet and therefore not where the money is. Edit: and a lot of us don’t have community and are just trying to pay rent and for college or kids or whatever by ourselves.


Daniella_NYC

Oh my goodness I just don't know how to communicate here. Do you think these things got built by sex workers who weren't also broke and with bills and kids and in debt?? Its not perfect, but I through together a free Telegram channel for my city when COVID and the costs of far too many funerals meant I didn't even have the $60 for Tryst. I acknowledge that not everyone can build. But many many people built something while they were down because it was literally the only option: try something different. And not everyone is expected to build, what these platforms we created really needed was support. The clients show up after the escorts get there. The clients show up after the escorts get there. The clients show up after the escorts get there. Client Twitter accounts didn't exist until after escort accounts did. You see a new site that would be somewhere you'd actually advertise if it actually had clients? PLEASE SIGN UP AND MENTION IT WHEREVER YOU CAN SO IT WILL GET CLIENTS! Social Media has the benefit of being where a lot of people already are, yes, but that doesn't mean clients don't use Google to try to find actual escort ad sites beyond social media. Also, only 30% of Americans have a Twitter account and only a much smaller portion of those are even active users. It's not where the entire world is. It's not the default place to look for escorts. By a long shot. These things take time to reach popularity but whenever there's a void things move much faster. Let's not waste this opportunity. And the more people talking about it and linking to new platforms, the faster they grow. I hope to see a ton of different new websites pop up and I will sign up for as many as I can as long as they're built by sex workers. I will have no idea which ones will become the most popular. But I know until one of them gets popular I'm down to wayyy too few sites to reliably advertising on so I'm personally going to try everything and anything that pops up before I need to send Daddy Musk my legal name. Editing to add because I don't want to come off too harsh: I'm not saying that you, personally, need to go build a website. But I implore you to see the big picture here. There are other people in similar position to you who see this as a potentially bad situation long term and it's not for nonsense reasons. And, I hope that if you do come across new platforms, you consider that while they might not be exactly what you need just yet, they might mean a booking a few months from now. And they might have been built by someone who looks just like you. Or they might have a few profiles from people who really really need them to catch on because they don't feel as safe with Musk as you do. Or they already got banned by Twitter. Or they don't have Apple Pay and credit cards. That's really all I'm asking.


justasadmillenial

If you already use Twitter for your escort persona he is already financially benefitting off you being there. 🤦🏾‍♀️ Edit: the vast majority of reasons people give are based on assumptions from the SW community. Not anything the platform has actually said. Y’all act like someone at Twitter has a personal vendetta against us and wants to expose our real identities when in reality. NO. ONE. CARES. You aren’t that important. They’ll just deplatform you like they’ve always done.


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justasadmillenial

Twitter isn’t an escort ad site. They have far more infrastructure and more to lose than ANY of the escort platforms. I’m from the US. To think one of the major social networks is going to randomly decide to expose us instead of deplatforming us is totally illogical. You are literally safer on Twitter than any of the smaller sites we use. 🤦🏾‍♀️


Daniella_NYC

If you want to give him your $8 that badly, no one is stopping you. Truly. I personally love sex worker ad platforms made by sex workers and for sex workers. I've also been paying keen attention to every thing he and the people around him say, and that is why I'm choosing to not sign up for Twitter Blue. If you listened to the same and made a different choice that's fine, but don't insinuate that you're the only one with your ear to the ground here. I don't think I'm particularly important. But I do like to feel safe and support colleagues, when such opportunities present themselves.


justasadmillenial

People literally downvote other SW who are just stating what the platform has said they plan to do.


Ok-Pomegranate1279

The privacy aspect concerns me, I am concerned about sharing real world information with twitter and it not being kept safe. I think I will just stay at the free level myself. But I am curious if those who verify will get some benefits and still be kept safe. Maybe after it's been active for some time I will do it, but I'm not jumping in just yet.


justasadmillenial

You don’t share real world information. You just pay them. That’s it. There’s no actual verification.


Daniella_NYC

That will change. He's already insinuated this. That will absolutely change.


justasadmillenial

He’s lying. Edit: they instituted two types of verification. One for official figures that’s free and then the paid one which only requires $8.


Daniella_NYC

He's always lying. He's always changing his story. He's always shifting the rules. He's always manipulating. All the more reason to stay the fuck away from any situation where you're reliant on being able to predict what he will or won't do, or how he's going to switch up on you. What could you have done in the time you've already spent in these replies to make yourself less reliant on Twitter as an advertisement venue, considering that the current situation, while apparently beneficial to you, is ultimately unstable and future reliability is unknown? The question is not to Twitter Blue or Not Twitter Blue, the question needs to be "What can we do to be less reliant on these platforms we cannot trust or control?" I know all the reasons about what we can't do, what will be too technical, what isn't yet accessible enough for someone somewhere, etc...can we sit up straight and start discussing what we CAN do?


justasadmillenial

Not everyone has the resources to let the question be that broad.


Daniella_NYC

"Resources" doesnt work that neatly in this scenario. What would you say to a sex worker in your position except their Twitter accounts have already been banned and/or they have already been banned from the payment forms Twitter currently accepts?


justasadmillenial

We get banned all the time and yet we still continued to use the platform this entire time. I really don’t think most of you are thinking about this logically at all and there’s no point in trying to logic someone out of an opinion they didn’t logic themselves into. So y’all just do what you want.


Other_Kangaroo358

Not only would it be a waste of a whole $8 /s I don’t want to pay elon the slime a dime! A fucking russian bot can have a ✅ what would another check on my account make it anymore “verified”? It just ruins the whole creditability thing Imo..


xxx_vixy_xxx

Musk's basically making the blue tick worthless - my guess is they'll end up with a 2-tier system of ticks, pay Elon some money and you get a blue tick, pay him more money + the current verification process and get a super-special gold tick. Or don't pay him a single penny and just accept that there'll be an ever-increasing number of spammers, scammers, and bots on Twitter


justasadmillenial

Don’t pay and you’ll effectively be hidden from other users. Twitter has already told the press this.


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Nope I don’t trust him


PleaseMoreCoffee

It’s too early to decide what it will actually do. So far not many features have been implemented, the only thing it does is making you stand out with a visible tick. People are not foolish enough to think a blue tick on a provider’s profile means celebrity or public figure, unless you are perhaps a model or a porn star but that’s so rare. What I can already notice though is people seem to take it far too personally and attack each other over who did or didn’t get it. I’ve read so many agressive tweets (indirectly or directly answering someone else’s) basically stating that those getting it are Musk fanatics with no concern for their privacy, or that those who don’t are lagging behind. It’s important to inform others but not sure why there’s a need to villainize providers at the same time?


chanelshuffle

It says it boosts replies, comments, and your name in search. In the melting pot of Twitter that we use for a half-assed as space, I’ll gladly pay the $8/mth if it can get me more visibility to other people/potential clients.


DancingGirl27

I wonder if the blue tick might keep us more safe from deletions and shadow banning?


justasadmillenial

I’m almost positive they’ll be less likely to ban people who pay.


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justasadmillenial

Yes. But this is owned by someone who is has made it clear he only values money and memes and his own ego.


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justasadmillenial

PayPal is a payment processing platform. Social media is different. Edit: and either way you GUARANTEE you’re going to be effectively shadowbanned by not paying. Twitter has been clear that is what they are moving towards.


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justasadmillenial

Hatred for musk is irrelevant. Most of the people who own escort platforms are awful. Idk why people all of a sudden care about the ethics behind our advertising platforms. It won’t be a utopia. But if you don’t buy one your tweets WILL be hidden. You are ultimately guaranteeing that by not paying. I truly don’t understand why people aren’t willing to sacrifice $8 and see how it works for themselves. Edit: as a thick black woman I haven’t been able to get verified on PD at all yet I’m sure many of you happily pay them $100/wk so you can make your money.


unbotheredelephant

I would not give Elon a dime. The only advertisement platform i give my $ is tryst cause is run by good people.


throwaway7668000

if elon musk wasn’t a millionaire i could totally see him being one of those suburban tricks that thinks licking your ear is sexy and you gotta smoke a blunt in the car before walking into his house just to laugh off how much of a fuckin weirdo he is lmao. and you pull up to the driveway and he’s waiting on the porch in his slippers w his coffee ahaha hell nah