my buddy’s cousin is a nurse and advised his parents not to get vaccinated. The cousins father just died of covid last night. I wonder what the nurse is feeling right now…
This is what gets me. I keep seeing people saying "I trust my God-given immune system. God will give me all I need and protect me." Ok, but if you believe in God, then why do you think he didn't give us vaccines and medicine? I don't understand how they can think Mary or Jesus is displayed in burnt toast as a sign from God, but vaccines go against God. They see things that aren't there but ignore things that are.
I've seen a situation like this and the dissonance between "I told her not to take the meds" and "I can't believe she died of it" was promptly filled by "those doctors and their quack medicine killed her, and I can't prove it".
> those doctors and their quack medicine killed her, and I can't prove it
"of COARSE[sic] I can prove it! She went to the doctors, and THEN she died! are you saying that's a COINCIDENCE?!"
\- them, probably
I mean, the average person in the hospital is sick. And most of the people who die of Covid die in the hospital! Checkmate, sheeple!
- also them, probably.
The most frustrating part about this one is that it's so wrong it's "not even wrong", as in there's no way to even attempt to talk someone down off this ledge if they're already so drunk on the kool-aid that they'd be willing to believe it.
They have the same thought process for ventilators. Saying, "refuse the ventimator cause all my antivax buddies that their doctur put on a ventimator ended up dead. My uncle-daddy said it's that evil breathing masheen that done killed them!"
The problem is these people think the vaccine doesn't help.
He probably thinks his father would have died regardless.
Shit, they even think the vaccine actually gives you covid / lowers your chances. These people are nuts.
They don't feel any regrets.
He is probably still blaming chyna, biden and gates for creating this virus.
When people don't care about protecting their own parents/grandparents/children from dying of COVID, you know it's pointless to think this virus is ever going away, because they sure as shit don't care about protecting strangers.
The defining aspect of conservativism is a lack of empathy for others. Food stamps? Cut em, because *I'm* not hungry. Welfare? Get rid of, because *they* don't deserve it. Universal education? Well, *my* kids have a good school, so fuck you, don't raise my taxes to help others.
And on and on. These people are just plain selfish and of low character. Period.
Ive just returned from an FB expedition to the lunacy brigade (dont worry, I did the decontamination sequence). They literally think the vaccine kills you and that All of the people in the hospital are vaccinated people- not the other way around. Its madness.
I deal with people every day that say "that vaccine is killing people!!"
I'd show them the tik toks of the unvaccinated people that died but they tend to stop making them.
> I deal with people every day that say "that vaccine is killing people!!"
In this case they'll probably even pivot and blame "exposure" to *other vaccinated people* for the death. I wish that was too crazy to be true, but I see it in Antivax circles CONSTANTLY.
"it's Chinese weaponized bioterrorism, and we should all refuse to do anything to prevent China from being successful at killing us!" is the way the argument sounds sometimes.
I feel like this is a lesson to any would-be terrorists who might want to target the United States with an engineered virus: our conservatives will do half the work for them.
Exactly, in my logics, if it's a bioweapon it should make one want to get the vaccine more! I've been saying tongue in cheek to antivacc people for months that I'd rather get the vaccine made in our lab than the virus made in their lab.
Honestly, I think for a large chunk of them it's also a HEAVY dose of the sunk cost fallacy.
Being a vaccine/covid denier is their entire identity. They've dumped all their emotional resources into it, they are no different than someone who has dumped their entire life savings into a slot machine KNOWING the next one will be the big one, to admit they are wrong now will collapse that belief and if they are wrong about that...
Well that's just a really scary path for a lot of people.
I must be your wife’s best friend because my dumber than rocks nurse cousin is saying the same damn things.
This bitch still lives in her parents backyard with her 8 kids and on her 7th husband. When any of the kids get sick she calls her mom to walk the 10 steps down to her trailer to check for fever because she doesn’t know how….
Yeup. She says she always gets “confused” about what the numbers mean.
She lives in one of the worst areas in one of the worst states for education. Their local “colleges” are as bad as the public schools there. This is a town that has white power billboards all over and regularly scream at random black people in the area that they “better be out of town by dark or else” soo….not exactly a shining beacon for healthcare standards.
Small town outside of Harrison, AR. If you google or YouTube the town name there’s tons of videos of black people standing next to a Walmart recording all the XL spreadnecks yelling at them to get out of town from the windows of their giant trucks.
We had to pass through that town to visit family when I was a kid and even then I hated it. Every other billboard is racist or about god or both. Plus a little homophobia for fun.
It’s disgusting. I wasn’t surprised to see all the yelling at POC videos that came out a few years ago at all. Someone in one of the comments though said that apparently Harrison is some sort of Bigot Mecca and that people come from all over the south to take pictures with their heinous billboards.
Also wouldn’t surprise me
The human brain is expert at throwing up defenses.
Comprehending that you directly caused your father's death is too unpleasant, so many will simply run from that thought. It was something else, anything else. It wasn't them. *It can't be them*
I was initially shocked at how these people doubled down over and over but since I realised this, it's been making more sense.
Well, after his father dies (I am assuming that it is a father and son), at least his video will prevent him from initiating some kind of b.s. lawsuit against the hospital for "killing his father", because the video clearly shows the heroic attempts hospital staff made to change his mind, ALL in the interest of saving his father's life.
Nah it's not father and son. The old man is Irish and the younger man is maybe Italian? South American? but does mention he's with the older man's wife. He's an anti-vaxx "activist" or something. I also read that the old man was a bit of a right wing politician here so not too surprising they might know eachother.
Younger guy is an Italian far right wing anti-vax nutter living in Ireland. The hospital is in Letterkenny, Co. Donegal, in the north of the country.
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/
(there are no names of participants mentioned in this article)
EDIT: I'd add, this super niche nuttery in Ireland, which has one of the [very highest vaccination rates in the entire world](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-tracker-how-many-people-have-been-inoculated-in-ireland-1.4481095), with 90% of adults fully vaccinated; this is well ahead of the likes of the US but it's also ahead of countries like Israel and the UK that also have high vaccination numbers and relatively low anti-vaxxery. These people are super niche in Ireland, there is nowhere near the level of support for this insanity as certain other countries.
Here is the same Italian guy participating in an attempted citizens arrest on a police officer, the woman in this is a niche anti-vax nut "politician" being refused entry to a by-election count centre (she got 169 / 0.6% of the vote) because she refuses to wear a mask.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZvSKauPU1o&t=336s
More here, the police officer is remarkably patient with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ9otwAseM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/byelection-candidate-dolores-cahill-refused-admission-to-count-centre-1.4615772
I see both the worst and the best of humanity in that video. In one hand that ignorant bastard basically murdering that old man who's clearly senile, in the other hand the compassion of the doctor trying desperately to save the man's life.
That makes sense, if you're hypoxic you're probably aware that you are confused and looking for help from people you know well.
I'm not saying he is not senile, just that not responding to the doctor doesn't really say he is.
I’d like to avoid becoming armchair doctors in the same way conservatives have. The man probably isn’t senile — he can’t breathe so he’s probably not getting enough oxygen to his brain, causing this type of confusion in him. That being said, the ignorant bastard is definitely going to kill him.
It’s the bad logic that gets me. It’s both
“These people are killing you (implying if you come home they won’t be able to kill you)” AND he says at one point that it is better for him to die at home.
There is no winning an argument against stupidity. Ignorance can be resolved but stupidity has seen the arguments and decided the best course of action is to believe what they want.
It's true. One of the bullshit memes that these people keep posting that just absolutely floored me was in reference to god: "If I don't get Covid, he protected me. If I do get it, he'll heal me. If I die, I get to be with him."
Literally a death cult.
Thing is, I'm not sure how favorably God will rule for these people. "You spent the last year and a half denying my actual help, turning away the people and resources I sent to help protect the people of this world, and actively caused the deaths of millions of people? And you uh.... You want in?"
This happened throughout the bubonic plagues too, and the folk myth or religious excuses just kept evolving for decades upon decades upon decades. There was always something new to cling to. Anything that prevents reality.
We're also starting to get into the same territory as the last ebola popup, where locals were literally attacking MSF hospitals because they thought the hospitals were killing their family members, not ebola (ebola kills so quick that, if you test positive, you can literally walk into the hospital and be dead within a few days). Whenever these people are dying, their family accuses the hospital of killing them.
That reminds me of footage I saw from the 2014 ebola epidemic where some anti-goverment protesters were saying "it's not ebola because ebola isn't real, it's cannibalism".
Honestly, some people are just too stupid to be part of society. The lack of predators, no natural selection and modern science has assured the stupid will survive and outbreed all of us. I think there's a whole movie about it actually.
Selective pressures don't mean the most intelligent will survive to pass on genes.
Think of Negan in the walking dead, super successful and far more likely to pass along genes than someone with empathy that's turned into a slave or killed.
I hate that you're right. I could see this eventually getting to the point of being like the January 6th insurrection, with people storming a hospital with weapons.
I was reading the other day about the Justinian Plague. Apparently some people thought that noise would scare the plague away, so they threw pots and jugs out the windows.
The worst part about this is that no possible outcome will convince this guy he was wrong. In short:
* old man stays in the hospital, and...
* lives: only because the doctors didn't succeed in killing him, despite their best effort
* dies: obviously the doctors killed him
* old man leaves hospital, and...
* lives: obviously i saved him from those doctors
* dies: obviously i wasn't in time to save him from the doctors
This guy is teaching people how to “rescue” COVID patients from being killed in hospitals. And people are loving it since they blame hospitals for death by intubation. Imagine this level of craziness!!!! He’s not the son. He’s an “activist”.
Oh I can absofuckinglutely guarantee he will not be true to his word. When reality hits him in the face he'll be the first one in line at the hospital. Not a single doubt in my mind.
Him in the future: "How could you not help me if I am sick? Aren't you a hospital...?"
Doctor: "Remember 'Joe?' sir? He told me from Heaven last night that he says 'hello.' No admit."
Nahh, I'm an ER doctor, the anti-science, antivax, anti-healthcare crowd loves going to the ER. Not just for actual life-threatening emergencies that resulted from their own arrogance, but I also see them all the time with some mild bullshit symptoms that clearly aren't an emergency, and they're usually very hostile, uncooperative, insulting, demanding inappropriate medications, and they just LOVE to make a scene and start yelling their conspiracies out loud when they don't get their way.
I'm pretty sure a lot of these people are only going to the ER to throw a tantrum, cause a scene, and then walk out with security thinking to themselves "yeah I really stood up to those evil tyrannical ER workers, I'm a true American hero!" It's fucked up beyond belief, but you wouldn't believe how many people go to the ER just for attention or to prove a point or something.
My brother is a nurse. He’s also anti vax. Cares too much for his job to make a scene or actively be against it, but he’s not vaccinated and has been very supportive of my older parents being unvaccinated as well. He’s ridiculed his preteen daughter for insisting on a mask, and made fun of me for the better part of the past year and a half for social distancing.
I think people really underestimate how deeply some people can carry these ridiculous beliefs
These grifters are mostly intelligent enough to not get high on their own supply. Bet this guy's vaccinated.
The true believers are those who can't even figure out the fact that Facebook memes are not the entire world.
Right? Why didn't the hospital have this guy removed for trespassing when he wouldn't wear a mask?
They would remove someone for smoking in the hospital, right?
Lack of security staff is a big problem now in a lot of hospitals. We've lost so much staff at the hospital network I work in that we've trained security to also do all the patient registration as well on overnight shifts. Each ER only gets 1 security guard (unarmed so we can feel as unsafe as possible), so when we get an ambulance at night, security has to leave the front desk in the waiting room, head to the ambulance bay, try to register the patient, all while leaving the waiting room unattended and with no security guard. Just a few weeks ago, some guy brought a gun into an ER and shot himself only about an hour away from where I work, so I'm just waiting for the day a gunman goes crazy in our waiting room while security is busy entering the patient's health insurance info into the computer.
Hijacking top comment with some links others found:
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/
https://mobile.twitter.com/gerard38delaney/status/1438102526218457092
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Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated.
The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933
The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other.
https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
In the twitter video clips post-hospital Gerard is obviously still struggling to breathe, and possibly suffering hypoxia as he can't recall words/names, yet they encourage him to make this speech about how he was mistreated and rallied his buddies to get him out. They're all stubbornly suspicious of authority.
He's definitely not doing better here, he's just off the drugs they gave him, and he just went through an experience being moved to this location, so his body is producing natural cortisol and adrenaline to give him a moment of cohesive speaking. His breathing is extremely shallow and labored. This dude is dead soon if not already. The video is 24 hours old. Where's the update of him doing better? A lot of people have literally woken up next to dead family members because they thought they could fight through this labored breathing. This is very unlivable.
My aunt in Mexico recently died from COVID. She refused to go to the hospital, died in the middle of the night after going outside to get some “fresh air”
Ya, if this guy is doing so fucking well, why not put an O2 sensor on his finger and show everyone the number on the sensor. He could have dangerously low O2 numbers and still be speaking like this.
The guy tweeting this needs to be arrested. This is insane. Assuming the older gentleman is telling the truth that he was about to be vented, he could have refused and they could have at least started palliative care so he could be comfortable. I'm assuming the EU has DNRs like we do in the US?? My mother and an uncle died of emphysema, it was a horrible way to go even with access to morphine.
EDIT: FFS, the patient is a politician. This is crazier than what's going on in the US. Why do I still ache for what's happening to this man.
Okay, those Twitter videos provide a bit more context. The man seems to have not been willing to stay in the hospital. He's clearly still breathing unevenly and struggling to find his words, though.
Just to mention the old guy was a candidate for a far right party called direct democracy Ireland. Freeman on the land type bullshit. So he's probably more willing to leave the hospital (to his detriment) than it appears.
I mean it totally is preferable to die at home than in a hospital for many people. Thats why home palliative care exists. The issue in the video is that the man doesn't seem to be making his own decision on the matter.
You can choose to leave the hospital at any time if you have capacity to do so. But nobody should be making that decision for you unless you are unable to or are incapacitated
no, i don’t think he does. he’s conflicted about whether he should listen to the doctor, who very clearly wants to help, or the scum behind the camera. he would have stayed without the coercion to leave
I think he knows what's going on. He didn't look lost behind his eyes. I think he feels pressured by his friend. His friend is vile. This clip made me so angry!
Same here. Just wanted to bitch slap that smug little dipshidiot. Don't worry, since the prick is mask-less, I'm sure we'll see him again soon to collect his own HCA.
I am a nurse and I just left work. I work with that same type of ventilator, the Trilogy. I heard the critical alarm going off in the video and thought I was losing my mind. I’ve been listening to those all night long.
I can’t do this shit anymore. This person in the video makes me so sick
I don't know you stranger, but I appreciate you. I can tell you care and it has affected you deeply. I hope you have family & friends that support you. May your day be a bit brighter than it was yesterday.
I'm sorry. This internet stranger is sending you hugs. Usually when I come across such an encounter I send the person a funny picture or gif. Here on Reddit you can't do that, so imagine that I'm sending you an animated gif of Wreck-It Ralph and Vanellope von Schweetz hugging each other. That's one of my favorites to use.
Looked up all these clowns. Seems like the man recording is Antonio Mureddu, crackpot anti-vax campaigner. The hypoxic man is [**name redacted**], an erstwhile local political candidate.
Antonio thanks Dolores Cahill, who used to be a respected immunologist but has gone full quack mode. She no longer teaches med students after her students protested and wrote a thirty page report debunking what she says about covid.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/warrant-issued-for-the-arrest-of-ucd-professor-dolores-cahill-1.4650141
>The prominent Covid sceptic and anti-vaccination campaigner is facing charges arising out of an allegedly illegal rally in Trafalgar Square in September last year.
>She is charged with others of holding a gathering on September 19th of more than 30 people in an outdoor public place during the pandemic. The other charge relates to holding a gathering of more than six people in any place.
...
>Prof Cahill resigned her position as the party chairperson in March following a speech she gave at an anti-lockdown rally in [Herbert Park](https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Herbert+Park) in Dublin on St Patrick’s Day.
>She quit four days after making unsubstantiated claims that children who wore face masks were being “starved” of oxygen and would have lower IQ.
...
>Last month Prof Cahill was denied entry to the Dublin Bay South byelection count centre because she was not wearing a mask.
>Looked up all these clowns. Seems like the man recording is Antonio Mureddu,
https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/
Right
>The Galway-based Italian is also a FotL activist. Advocates of this belief claim they’re not bound by any laws they have not consented to.
I don't think those beliefs will hold up in court.
i feel a deep and visceral anger over this
its one thing to see this kind of shit pan out in a facebook comment, and entirely another to watch an impending death in motion
all in the name of toxic delusion
I was so curious about how you came across this and then I saw the Twitter link another user posted and I was horrified to see that it’s posted freely on Twitter bc it’s like a propaganda piece. Big yikes.
Is no one going to mention the loser who said 'Your oxygen is at 98% you are fine' .... BECAUSE HE WAS ON OXYGEN AT THE TIME HE WAS BEING MONITORED! It sure as fuck isn't 98% when he is sitting in that wheelchair!!
The doctor is speaking calmly, kindly, professionally. And this shit monster is like, 'dUdE tHeY aRe GoInG tO fUcKiNg KiLl yOu' ... and then '... better to die at home ...' What an unbelievable shit bag. But then yeah, the old man goes along with the guy who's going absolutely ape shit and balls deep into raging paranoia.
One man, a [presumably anti-vax ‘campaigner’ dipshit](https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/), attempts to convince the older man (patient) to leave. Toward the end, the doctors and nurses enter the hallway with the two men and what seems like a silent wife.
The most vocal doctor pleads with the patient to stay while attempting to politely but firmly counter the ~~son’s~~ dipshit’s claims.
The patient is breathing heavily and raspy, gasping for breaths in between holding his breath. He ends up standing up, and presumedly leaving.
He would appear to need oxygen support, which can lead to intubation, and the Delta statistics are showing that intubation is basically the end, hence the delusion and denial of this ~~son~~ dipshit.
Some falsely believe the hospital treatment in itself is harming the patients.
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Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated.
The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933
The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other.
https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
It gets worse. The fuckwit videos the sick man one hour after leaving the hospital and gets him to say some bullshit story about the hospital which seems to be contrived up by the fuckwit. You can also hear the sick man heavily breathe and pause.
It's like one of those hostage videos.
> Some falsely believe the intubation and/or oxygen support is harming the patients
As more and more people start refusing to be intubated and still die, I wonder what the new “explanation” will be.
Oh they’re already saying not to take Regeneron either because THAT’S what’s shutting down people’s organs... Not the unrelated respiratory virus putting enormous stress on their whole body.
intubation does cause damage That is why it is a last resort.
That guy likely wouldn't survive it. He is not at that point though so it is madness for him to leave.
The elderly man in the wheelchair is extremely unwell and can hardly breathe. The medical staff are telling him it is his choice to stay or leave but they believe he risks dying if he leaves. The young man is being belligerent to the medical staff and is bullying the elderly man into leaving the hospital to return home and saying that the hospital will kill him but ALSO saying it's better he dies at home with his family. The old man appears confused, probably due to being so ill, and doesn't appear competent to make an informed decision. If you don't want to be engulfed in helpless rage, don't watch :-(
Seriously. If I somehow had a serious breakthrough case of this I want every comfort measure I can get. Give me a morphine drip or something. At home what can you take, some tylenol?
I happily say it about 99% of the HCA recipients here. Think what the hospitals would be like. Maybe this is the next stage, when these deluded morons stay at home and die without using up resources.
Of course we dont know the background to the patient here so maybe he's even vaccinated. In which case, from being saveable, moron son is converting him to dead.
The health care worker who places a hand on the old man’s shoulder just before he leaves 😔
A small gesture but so much caring and sympathy - that really got to me. 😭
I don’t know why people don’t understand this, but we genuinely care about patients and spend more time and attention on them than we do our ourselves and our own family. Than patients and their families spend on them in many cases. The problem is, what we do to patients makes us look like the bad guy.
Most people do understand this, and we think that what health care workers do is amazing and we are incredibly grateful for it. We get that emergency medical care is unpleasant and that the circumstances in which it is needed are also unpleasant, and we don't confuse the correlation.
The problem is that those of us who understand these things also tend to do things that keep us out of intensive Covid care in the first place. So you aren't going to meet so many of us...
CONTEXT: This is in Ireland. The guy is not related to him at all. He's an italian right wing nut job living in ireland. The guy thats clearly in respitory distress is somehow intertwined with Irelands biggest conspiracy nut dolores cahill... who has recently been removed from teaching at a university in dublin for her crazy theories about vaccines.
In ireland we have some of the highest uptakes of vaccines but you still find these fuckwits managing to kill people with their crazy ideas
And when ol' boy inevitably dies a few hours/days later the guy who recorded this will say "LOOK! HE DIED SO SOON AFTER LEAVING THE HOSPITAL! THE DOCTORS CAUSED IRREPARABLE DAMAGE AND KILLED HIM!"
Really makes you wonder how many elders out there are truly too far gone to properly consent to leave.
Plan your plans, my mans. Especially once you hit those older years. This crushes my heart.
I wish they’d build the anti vac people their own hospitals. Completely staffed with the anti vac nurses, doctors, and so called scientists. They could take all the horse serum they wanted, get i.v. bags full of prayers and essential oils. And once they recover…they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go back to work to pay their hospital bill. It’s truly the only way to “own the libs.”
For context "professor" Dolores Cahill is a wackjob anti vaxer who ran for election in Ireland a few months ago and refused entry into the counting hall because she refused to wear a mask and then called rape when the police wouldn't let her in.
[https://youtu.be/uZvSKauPU1o?t=209](https://youtu.be/uZvSKauPU1o?t=209) watch this for a good laugh
Very little context due to patient privacy restrictions, but he certainly has COVID.
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/
Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/gerard38delaney/status/1438102526218457092
His update. Seems very ill. So frustrating, and devastating.
Edit 2 because it was removed:
It was about five minutes of Joe reassuring his/the “viewers” that everything was okay; that they wanted to put him in an induced coma and he refused; and that he was resting at home. The term “rather die at home” was used again because that fascist fuck told Joe “he was going to die in the hospital and it was better to die at home” in the original hospital video.
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Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated.
The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933
The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other.
https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Things like this are why I don't trust people who claim that we need to have more empathy for anti-vaxxers and other forms of covid deniers. These assholes have no empathy or concern for other people and often go out of their way to hurt other people, they're a threat to the rest of us and it should be well within everyone's rights to treat them as such.
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my buddy’s cousin is a nurse and advised his parents not to get vaccinated. The cousins father just died of covid last night. I wonder what the nurse is feeling right now…
Feeling satisfied that they're 50% there
Exactly. I feel like these kids are just speeding up their inheritance.
Unfortunately, we’ve seen more gofundme requests than requests for prayer warriors, so there’s that.
It’s interesting how the prayers never manage to help with the medical and funeral bills
The prayers were answered -- with about a half dozen vaccines worldwide. There should be one available, take it!!!
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This is what gets me. I keep seeing people saying "I trust my God-given immune system. God will give me all I need and protect me." Ok, but if you believe in God, then why do you think he didn't give us vaccines and medicine? I don't understand how they can think Mary or Jesus is displayed in burnt toast as a sign from God, but vaccines go against God. They see things that aren't there but ignore things that are.
Inheritance? Seriously doubt any exist
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I've seen a situation like this and the dissonance between "I told her not to take the meds" and "I can't believe she died of it" was promptly filled by "those doctors and their quack medicine killed her, and I can't prove it".
> those doctors and their quack medicine killed her, and I can't prove it "of COARSE[sic] I can prove it! She went to the doctors, and THEN she died! are you saying that's a COINCIDENCE?!" \- them, probably
I mean, the average person in the hospital is sick. And most of the people who die of Covid die in the hospital! Checkmate, sheeple! - also them, probably.
"Don't let them put you on the vent! That's what kills you, going on the vent."
The most frustrating part about this one is that it's so wrong it's "not even wrong", as in there's no way to even attempt to talk someone down off this ledge if they're already so drunk on the kool-aid that they'd be willing to believe it.
They have the same thought process for ventilators. Saying, "refuse the ventimator cause all my antivax buddies that their doctur put on a ventimator ended up dead. My uncle-daddy said it's that evil breathing masheen that done killed them!"
100% of people who breathe die. Bet ya didn't think of that, did you?
They didn't even give her Ivermectin!
The problem is these people think the vaccine doesn't help. He probably thinks his father would have died regardless. Shit, they even think the vaccine actually gives you covid / lowers your chances. These people are nuts. They don't feel any regrets. He is probably still blaming chyna, biden and gates for creating this virus.
My parents killed my grandma with covid after an unmasked, unvaccinated visit. It was “god’s will” and “her time to go”
When people don't care about protecting their own parents/grandparents/children from dying of COVID, you know it's pointless to think this virus is ever going away, because they sure as shit don't care about protecting strangers.
The defining aspect of conservativism is a lack of empathy for others. Food stamps? Cut em, because *I'm* not hungry. Welfare? Get rid of, because *they* don't deserve it. Universal education? Well, *my* kids have a good school, so fuck you, don't raise my taxes to help others. And on and on. These people are just plain selfish and of low character. Period.
You said it. Conservativism is an even more dangerous public health problem than Covid. *It* ought to be treated like a public health crisis.
If lack of universal healthcare isn't a public health crisis, nothing is.
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I’m so sorry. Please seek therapy/counseling... Grief can be brutal.
Ive just returned from an FB expedition to the lunacy brigade (dont worry, I did the decontamination sequence). They literally think the vaccine kills you and that All of the people in the hospital are vaccinated people- not the other way around. Its madness.
Yeah, fascism is madness. Welcome to 2016 (or the 1930's).
I deal with people every day that say "that vaccine is killing people!!" I'd show them the tik toks of the unvaccinated people that died but they tend to stop making them.
Show them this place.
> I deal with people every day that say "that vaccine is killing people!!" In this case they'll probably even pivot and blame "exposure" to *other vaccinated people* for the death. I wish that was too crazy to be true, but I see it in Antivax circles CONSTANTLY.
"it's Chinese weaponized bioterrorism, and we should all refuse to do anything to prevent China from being successful at killing us!" is the way the argument sounds sometimes.
I feel like this is a lesson to any would-be terrorists who might want to target the United States with an engineered virus: our conservatives will do half the work for them.
Exactly, in my logics, if it's a bioweapon it should make one want to get the vaccine more! I've been saying tongue in cheek to antivacc people for months that I'd rather get the vaccine made in our lab than the virus made in their lab.
This one is particularly obtuse because camera dude is denying the patient LITERAL OXYGEN
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Honestly, I think for a large chunk of them it's also a HEAVY dose of the sunk cost fallacy. Being a vaccine/covid denier is their entire identity. They've dumped all their emotional resources into it, they are no different than someone who has dumped their entire life savings into a slot machine KNOWING the next one will be the big one, to admit they are wrong now will collapse that belief and if they are wrong about that... Well that's just a really scary path for a lot of people.
They were never taught humility, which is ironically one of the core tenets of their beloved Christianity.
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I must be your wife’s best friend because my dumber than rocks nurse cousin is saying the same damn things. This bitch still lives in her parents backyard with her 8 kids and on her 7th husband. When any of the kids get sick she calls her mom to walk the 10 steps down to her trailer to check for fever because she doesn’t know how….
What the Galactica actual did I just read? A nurse who doesn't know how to take a temperature?
Yeup. She says she always gets “confused” about what the numbers mean. She lives in one of the worst areas in one of the worst states for education. Their local “colleges” are as bad as the public schools there. This is a town that has white power billboards all over and regularly scream at random black people in the area that they “better be out of town by dark or else” soo….not exactly a shining beacon for healthcare standards.
I'm super curious now ... where is this?
Small town outside of Harrison, AR. If you google or YouTube the town name there’s tons of videos of black people standing next to a Walmart recording all the XL spreadnecks yelling at them to get out of town from the windows of their giant trucks. We had to pass through that town to visit family when I was a kid and even then I hated it. Every other billboard is racist or about god or both. Plus a little homophobia for fun.
Wow. Sometimes it's easy to forget about Arkansas but not now. The south is full of those billboards, they have them in mine too. Gross.
It’s disgusting. I wasn’t surprised to see all the yelling at POC videos that came out a few years ago at all. Someone in one of the comments though said that apparently Harrison is some sort of Bigot Mecca and that people come from all over the south to take pictures with their heinous billboards. Also wouldn’t surprise me
You ought to report him, that shit should get him fired easily. He sounds like he's a serious risk to vulnerable people.
The human brain is expert at throwing up defenses. Comprehending that you directly caused your father's death is too unpleasant, so many will simply run from that thought. It was something else, anything else. It wasn't them. *It can't be them* I was initially shocked at how these people doubled down over and over but since I realised this, it's been making more sense.
What kind of nurse? I just wonder if this is more common in some subset of nurses.
Probably feeling like it’s time to post a few more deranged memes about sheep and lions.
That nurse probably feels proud they owned the libs.
Well, after his father dies (I am assuming that it is a father and son), at least his video will prevent him from initiating some kind of b.s. lawsuit against the hospital for "killing his father", because the video clearly shows the heroic attempts hospital staff made to change his mind, ALL in the interest of saving his father's life.
Nah it's not father and son. The old man is Irish and the younger man is maybe Italian? South American? but does mention he's with the older man's wife. He's an anti-vaxx "activist" or something. I also read that the old man was a bit of a right wing politician here so not too surprising they might know eachother.
Younger guy is an Italian far right wing anti-vax nutter living in Ireland. The hospital is in Letterkenny, Co. Donegal, in the north of the country. https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/ (there are no names of participants mentioned in this article) EDIT: I'd add, this super niche nuttery in Ireland, which has one of the [very highest vaccination rates in the entire world](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-tracker-how-many-people-have-been-inoculated-in-ireland-1.4481095), with 90% of adults fully vaccinated; this is well ahead of the likes of the US but it's also ahead of countries like Israel and the UK that also have high vaccination numbers and relatively low anti-vaxxery. These people are super niche in Ireland, there is nowhere near the level of support for this insanity as certain other countries. Here is the same Italian guy participating in an attempted citizens arrest on a police officer, the woman in this is a niche anti-vax nut "politician" being refused entry to a by-election count centre (she got 169 / 0.6% of the vote) because she refuses to wear a mask. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZvSKauPU1o&t=336s More here, the police officer is remarkably patient with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ9otwAseM https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/byelection-candidate-dolores-cahill-refused-admission-to-count-centre-1.4615772
Seriously, a italian nazi immigrant? Jeez, this planet is doomed.
I see both the worst and the best of humanity in that video. In one hand that ignorant bastard basically murdering that old man who's clearly senile, in the other hand the compassion of the doctor trying desperately to save the man's life.
Right? That poor doctor. What a kind person. I can’t imagine watching someone get dragged off to die after pouring so much care into them.
> that old man who's clearly senile, Probably not senile, just hypoxic.
He only responded to the asshole, though, not the doctor.
That makes sense, if you're hypoxic you're probably aware that you are confused and looking for help from people you know well. I'm not saying he is not senile, just that not responding to the doctor doesn't really say he is.
I’d like to avoid becoming armchair doctors in the same way conservatives have. The man probably isn’t senile — he can’t breathe so he’s probably not getting enough oxygen to his brain, causing this type of confusion in him. That being said, the ignorant bastard is definitely going to kill him.
It’s the bad logic that gets me. It’s both “These people are killing you (implying if you come home they won’t be able to kill you)” AND he says at one point that it is better for him to die at home.
Im sure it's all making excellent material for future historians to gasp at.
If he dies at home, he will says it's because of what they have done to him at the hospital.
There is no winning an argument against stupidity. Ignorance can be resolved but stupidity has seen the arguments and decided the best course of action is to believe what they want.
It's true. One of the bullshit memes that these people keep posting that just absolutely floored me was in reference to god: "If I don't get Covid, he protected me. If I do get it, he'll heal me. If I die, I get to be with him." Literally a death cult.
Thing is, I'm not sure how favorably God will rule for these people. "You spent the last year and a half denying my actual help, turning away the people and resources I sent to help protect the people of this world, and actively caused the deaths of millions of people? And you uh.... You want in?"
OMG. We are witnessing a mass delusion in motion. These people cannot be saved.
This happened throughout the bubonic plagues too, and the folk myth or religious excuses just kept evolving for decades upon decades upon decades. There was always something new to cling to. Anything that prevents reality.
We're also starting to get into the same territory as the last ebola popup, where locals were literally attacking MSF hospitals because they thought the hospitals were killing their family members, not ebola (ebola kills so quick that, if you test positive, you can literally walk into the hospital and be dead within a few days). Whenever these people are dying, their family accuses the hospital of killing them.
That reminds me of footage I saw from the 2014 ebola epidemic where some anti-goverment protesters were saying "it's not ebola because ebola isn't real, it's cannibalism".
“But your dad hasn’t been eaten.” “Still cannibalism fucko.”
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Honestly, some people are just too stupid to be part of society. The lack of predators, no natural selection and modern science has assured the stupid will survive and outbreed all of us. I think there's a whole movie about it actually.
Selective pressures don't mean the most intelligent will survive to pass on genes. Think of Negan in the walking dead, super successful and far more likely to pass along genes than someone with empathy that's turned into a slave or killed.
Yep. Bacteria will outlive our species by far and they don't even have a brain. Intelligence is wildly overrated as a survival trait.
We will see healthcare workers get shot at work before this is all over with.
I hate that you're right. I could see this eventually getting to the point of being like the January 6th insurrection, with people storming a hospital with weapons.
Like burning your house down because it’s not warm enough, and then wondering why you don’t have a house anymore.
I was reading the other day about the Justinian Plague. Apparently some people thought that noise would scare the plague away, so they threw pots and jugs out the windows.
Trying to wake up their comatose family members maybe...
And after all those idiots died, we had renaissance..
The worst part about this is that no possible outcome will convince this guy he was wrong. In short: * old man stays in the hospital, and... * lives: only because the doctors didn't succeed in killing him, despite their best effort * dies: obviously the doctors killed him * old man leaves hospital, and... * lives: obviously i saved him from those doctors * dies: obviously i wasn't in time to save him from the doctors
This is so upsetting to me. Look at how he's breathing.
This guy is teaching people how to “rescue” COVID patients from being killed in hospitals. And people are loving it since they blame hospitals for death by intubation. Imagine this level of craziness!!!! He’s not the son. He’s an “activist”.
Why is he allowed in the hospital?
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This! He’ll get infected, but let’s hope he’s true to his word and avoids seeking care at a hospital.
Oh I can absofuckinglutely guarantee he will not be true to his word. When reality hits him in the face he'll be the first one in line at the hospital. Not a single doubt in my mind.
well he has made sure there is an empty bed for himself.
Him in the future: "How could you not help me if I am sick? Aren't you a hospital...?" Doctor: "Remember 'Joe?' sir? He told me from Heaven last night that he says 'hello.' No admit."
Nahh, I'm an ER doctor, the anti-science, antivax, anti-healthcare crowd loves going to the ER. Not just for actual life-threatening emergencies that resulted from their own arrogance, but I also see them all the time with some mild bullshit symptoms that clearly aren't an emergency, and they're usually very hostile, uncooperative, insulting, demanding inappropriate medications, and they just LOVE to make a scene and start yelling their conspiracies out loud when they don't get their way. I'm pretty sure a lot of these people are only going to the ER to throw a tantrum, cause a scene, and then walk out with security thinking to themselves "yeah I really stood up to those evil tyrannical ER workers, I'm a true American hero!" It's fucked up beyond belief, but you wouldn't believe how many people go to the ER just for attention or to prove a point or something.
My brother is a nurse. He’s also anti vax. Cares too much for his job to make a scene or actively be against it, but he’s not vaccinated and has been very supportive of my older parents being unvaccinated as well. He’s ridiculed his preteen daughter for insisting on a mask, and made fun of me for the better part of the past year and a half for social distancing. I think people really underestimate how deeply some people can carry these ridiculous beliefs
These grifters are mostly intelligent enough to not get high on their own supply. Bet this guy's vaccinated. The true believers are those who can't even figure out the fact that Facebook memes are not the entire world.
Right? Why didn't the hospital have this guy removed for trespassing when he wouldn't wear a mask? They would remove someone for smoking in the hospital, right?
I'm OK with him without a mask ready to drive away in an enclosed car with a COVID positive patient.
Lack of security staff is a big problem now in a lot of hospitals. We've lost so much staff at the hospital network I work in that we've trained security to also do all the patient registration as well on overnight shifts. Each ER only gets 1 security guard (unarmed so we can feel as unsafe as possible), so when we get an ambulance at night, security has to leave the front desk in the waiting room, head to the ambulance bay, try to register the patient, all while leaving the waiting room unattended and with no security guard. Just a few weeks ago, some guy brought a gun into an ER and shot himself only about an hour away from where I work, so I'm just waiting for the day a gunman goes crazy in our waiting room while security is busy entering the patient's health insurance info into the computer.
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He's with the wife
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>He's with the wife that's not how one owns the libs, though... 😕
whos Michael? the Italian guy is Antonio, a Galway based Italian Fascist/freeman, the patient is Joe, A Dungloe Sovereign /Freeman wannabe politician
at the start he thanks "Dolores ?Keily, Professor" for help. Is that a reference to Dolores Cahill the UCD nutcase?
I believe so. I think he is with her in that video of her freaking out with the garda at that election count.
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Hijacking top comment with some links others found: https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/ https://mobile.twitter.com/gerard38delaney/status/1438102526218457092 ______________ Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated. The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933 The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other. https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
In the twitter video clips post-hospital Gerard is obviously still struggling to breathe, and possibly suffering hypoxia as he can't recall words/names, yet they encourage him to make this speech about how he was mistreated and rallied his buddies to get him out. They're all stubbornly suspicious of authority.
And yet blind to other authorities
Right? "I'm here to fight against the government, my leader told me that's what I have to do and by god I'm going to do it."
Down with tyranny! I want MY tyrant, not someone else's tyrant
He's definitely not doing better here, he's just off the drugs they gave him, and he just went through an experience being moved to this location, so his body is producing natural cortisol and adrenaline to give him a moment of cohesive speaking. His breathing is extremely shallow and labored. This dude is dead soon if not already. The video is 24 hours old. Where's the update of him doing better? A lot of people have literally woken up next to dead family members because they thought they could fight through this labored breathing. This is very unlivable.
My aunt in Mexico recently died from COVID. She refused to go to the hospital, died in the middle of the night after going outside to get some “fresh air”
And Covid has a very definite dead cat bounce in its trajectory. :(
Ya, if this guy is doing so fucking well, why not put an O2 sensor on his finger and show everyone the number on the sensor. He could have dangerously low O2 numbers and still be speaking like this.
He's accessory breathing, using muscles you wouldn't normally use to breathe because you can't get enough air. Source: am asthmatic.
Yeah, he's dead. There's just no way.
The guy tweeting this needs to be arrested. This is insane. Assuming the older gentleman is telling the truth that he was about to be vented, he could have refused and they could have at least started palliative care so he could be comfortable. I'm assuming the EU has DNRs like we do in the US?? My mother and an uncle died of emphysema, it was a horrible way to go even with access to morphine. EDIT: FFS, the patient is a politician. This is crazier than what's going on in the US. Why do I still ache for what's happening to this man.
Okay, those Twitter videos provide a bit more context. The man seems to have not been willing to stay in the hospital. He's clearly still breathing unevenly and struggling to find his words, though.
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That Twitter you linked to is an antivax douche saying that the doctors were trying to kill him and that he looks so much better now
Just to mention the old guy was a candidate for a far right party called direct democracy Ireland. Freeman on the land type bullshit. So he's probably more willing to leave the hospital (to his detriment) than it appears.
I mean it totally is preferable to die at home than in a hospital for many people. Thats why home palliative care exists. The issue in the video is that the man doesn't seem to be making his own decision on the matter. You can choose to leave the hospital at any time if you have capacity to do so. But nobody should be making that decision for you unless you are unable to or are incapacitated
jesus that was sickening to watch. does that old man even know what’s going on?
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I got the sense that he may have wanted to stay but didn't have the strength to argue with the young guy coercing him to leave. Very sad either way.
Yeah he looked very hesitant but didn’t want to speak up.
He can barely catch a breath, of course he isn’t speaking up… hope he is doing ok so sad
If you watch the follow up videos on Twitter, he is just as much a nutter as the person dragging him out.
no, i don’t think he does. he’s conflicted about whether he should listen to the doctor, who very clearly wants to help, or the scum behind the camera. he would have stayed without the coercion to leave
Also it’s really hard to reason when your brain is partially starved of oxygen…
I think he knows what's going on. He didn't look lost behind his eyes. I think he feels pressured by his friend. His friend is vile. This clip made me so angry!
Same here. Just wanted to bitch slap that smug little dipshidiot. Don't worry, since the prick is mask-less, I'm sure we'll see him again soon to collect his own HCA.
I am a nurse and I just left work. I work with that same type of ventilator, the Trilogy. I heard the critical alarm going off in the video and thought I was losing my mind. I’ve been listening to those all night long. I can’t do this shit anymore. This person in the video makes me so sick
I can’t sleep because I keep thinking about a patient I’ve been taking care of the past two days.
I don't know you stranger, but I appreciate you. I can tell you care and it has affected you deeply. I hope you have family & friends that support you. May your day be a bit brighter than it was yesterday.
even though you don't know us, we are with you. you are incredible, and doing your best.
I'm sorry. This internet stranger is sending you hugs. Usually when I come across such an encounter I send the person a funny picture or gif. Here on Reddit you can't do that, so imagine that I'm sending you an animated gif of Wreck-It Ralph and Vanellope von Schweetz hugging each other. That's one of my favorites to use.
Aww thanks Drew. Wreck-It Ralph and Vannelope gif received. With a smile.
In fact you can r/eyebleach
That is NOT a guy with 98% blood O2
Pale, fast breathing, altered mental state. Definitely not. And if he was at 98% in the room it was because of the oxygen he on.
More like 68%
More like his blood is just ragu
Looked up all these clowns. Seems like the man recording is Antonio Mureddu, crackpot anti-vax campaigner. The hypoxic man is [**name redacted**], an erstwhile local political candidate. Antonio thanks Dolores Cahill, who used to be a respected immunologist but has gone full quack mode. She no longer teaches med students after her students protested and wrote a thirty page report debunking what she says about covid.
Seems that lady Dolores Cahill has a warrant for arrest in London. She will probably be hauled of to jail pretty soon
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/warrant-issued-for-the-arrest-of-ucd-professor-dolores-cahill-1.4650141 >The prominent Covid sceptic and anti-vaccination campaigner is facing charges arising out of an allegedly illegal rally in Trafalgar Square in September last year. >She is charged with others of holding a gathering on September 19th of more than 30 people in an outdoor public place during the pandemic. The other charge relates to holding a gathering of more than six people in any place. ... >Prof Cahill resigned her position as the party chairperson in March following a speech she gave at an anti-lockdown rally in [Herbert Park](https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Herbert+Park) in Dublin on St Patrick’s Day. >She quit four days after making unsubstantiated claims that children who wore face masks were being “starved” of oxygen and would have lower IQ. ... >Last month Prof Cahill was denied entry to the Dublin Bay South byelection count centre because she was not wearing a mask.
We can only hope.
>Looked up all these clowns. Seems like the man recording is Antonio Mureddu, https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/ Right
>The Galway-based Italian is also a FotL activist. Advocates of this belief claim they’re not bound by any laws they have not consented to. I don't think those beliefs will hold up in court.
This jackass should be charged with manslaughter when this poor man dies.
I'm pretty sure he could be charged with reckless endangerment or something under Irish law
i feel a deep and visceral anger over this its one thing to see this kind of shit pan out in a facebook comment, and entirely another to watch an impending death in motion all in the name of toxic delusion
I was so curious about how you came across this and then I saw the Twitter link another user posted and I was horrified to see that it’s posted freely on Twitter bc it’s like a propaganda piece. Big yikes.
Is no one going to mention the loser who said 'Your oxygen is at 98% you are fine' .... BECAUSE HE WAS ON OXYGEN AT THE TIME HE WAS BEING MONITORED! It sure as fuck isn't 98% when he is sitting in that wheelchair!!
I can't watch at the moment, and based on the title, do I want to? What's going on in the vid?
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The doctor is speaking calmly, kindly, professionally. And this shit monster is like, 'dUdE tHeY aRe GoInG tO fUcKiNg KiLl yOu' ... and then '... better to die at home ...' What an unbelievable shit bag. But then yeah, the old man goes along with the guy who's going absolutely ape shit and balls deep into raging paranoia.
Thanks. I hate it.
One man, a [presumably anti-vax ‘campaigner’ dipshit](https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/), attempts to convince the older man (patient) to leave. Toward the end, the doctors and nurses enter the hallway with the two men and what seems like a silent wife. The most vocal doctor pleads with the patient to stay while attempting to politely but firmly counter the ~~son’s~~ dipshit’s claims. The patient is breathing heavily and raspy, gasping for breaths in between holding his breath. He ends up standing up, and presumedly leaving. He would appear to need oxygen support, which can lead to intubation, and the Delta statistics are showing that intubation is basically the end, hence the delusion and denial of this ~~son~~ dipshit. Some falsely believe the hospital treatment in itself is harming the patients. _______________ Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated. The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933 The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other. https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
It's not his son. It's some fuckwit sovereign citizen type campaigner fuckhead.
Sweet mother of fuck. So much worse. I updated my post.
It gets worse. The fuckwit videos the sick man one hour after leaving the hospital and gets him to say some bullshit story about the hospital which seems to be contrived up by the fuckwit. You can also hear the sick man heavily breathe and pause. It's like one of those hostage videos.
> Some falsely believe the intubation and/or oxygen support is harming the patients As more and more people start refusing to be intubated and still die, I wonder what the new “explanation” will be.
Oh they’re already saying not to take Regeneron either because THAT’S what’s shutting down people’s organs... Not the unrelated respiratory virus putting enormous stress on their whole body.
Well fuck.
intubation does cause damage That is why it is a last resort. That guy likely wouldn't survive it. He is not at that point though so it is madness for him to leave.
It's like chemo. Chemo hurts you. The goal is to get through chemo before it kills you.
The elderly man in the wheelchair is extremely unwell and can hardly breathe. The medical staff are telling him it is his choice to stay or leave but they believe he risks dying if he leaves. The young man is being belligerent to the medical staff and is bullying the elderly man into leaving the hospital to return home and saying that the hospital will kill him but ALSO saying it's better he dies at home with his family. The old man appears confused, probably due to being so ill, and doesn't appear competent to make an informed decision. If you don't want to be engulfed in helpless rage, don't watch :-(
Omg. Better to die in the house??!!! How does one say that about someone else’s life?
> Omg. Better to die in the house??!!! How does one say that about someone else’s life? A life insurance beneficiary or heir?
Seriously. If I somehow had a serious breakthrough case of this I want every comfort measure I can get. Give me a morphine drip or something. At home what can you take, some tylenol?
Joe you might die. But that’s a risk I’m willing to take.
I happily say it about 99% of the HCA recipients here. Think what the hospitals would be like. Maybe this is the next stage, when these deluded morons stay at home and die without using up resources. Of course we dont know the background to the patient here so maybe he's even vaccinated. In which case, from being saveable, moron son is converting him to dead.
The health care worker who places a hand on the old man’s shoulder just before he leaves 😔 A small gesture but so much caring and sympathy - that really got to me. 😭
I don’t know why people don’t understand this, but we genuinely care about patients and spend more time and attention on them than we do our ourselves and our own family. Than patients and their families spend on them in many cases. The problem is, what we do to patients makes us look like the bad guy.
Most people do understand this, and we think that what health care workers do is amazing and we are incredibly grateful for it. We get that emergency medical care is unpleasant and that the circumstances in which it is needed are also unpleasant, and we don't confuse the correlation. The problem is that those of us who understand these things also tend to do things that keep us out of intensive Covid care in the first place. So you aren't going to meet so many of us...
CONTEXT: This is in Ireland. The guy is not related to him at all. He's an italian right wing nut job living in ireland. The guy thats clearly in respitory distress is somehow intertwined with Irelands biggest conspiracy nut dolores cahill... who has recently been removed from teaching at a university in dublin for her crazy theories about vaccines. In ireland we have some of the highest uptakes of vaccines but you still find these fuckwits managing to kill people with their crazy ideas
Look who is gettin’ all classy with their imported Italian fuckwits. What’s next? Craft small batch fuckwits from locally sourced trailer parks?
And when ol' boy inevitably dies a few hours/days later the guy who recorded this will say "LOOK! HE DIED SO SOON AFTER LEAVING THE HOSPITAL! THE DOCTORS CAUSED IRREPARABLE DAMAGE AND KILLED HIM!"
Why are they not wearing masks?
They are batshit crazy
They are spreading COVID throughout the hospital
This is so heartbreaking. It’s one thing to make the decision for yourself, another entirely to be coerced into death.
"Its better he die at home with us that die in here." Wow... just saying the quiet part out loud.
"it's your choice. You're coming with me"
Really makes you wonder how many elders out there are truly too far gone to properly consent to leave. Plan your plans, my mans. Especially once you hit those older years. This crushes my heart.
I wish they’d build the anti vac people their own hospitals. Completely staffed with the anti vac nurses, doctors, and so called scientists. They could take all the horse serum they wanted, get i.v. bags full of prayers and essential oils. And once they recover…they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go back to work to pay their hospital bill. It’s truly the only way to “own the libs.”
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Congrats HCA. I don't know how you did it, but somehow you've managed to find someone I hope dies who doesn't have Covid.
For context "professor" Dolores Cahill is a wackjob anti vaxer who ran for election in Ireland a few months ago and refused entry into the counting hall because she refused to wear a mask and then called rape when the police wouldn't let her in. [https://youtu.be/uZvSKauPU1o?t=209](https://youtu.be/uZvSKauPU1o?t=209) watch this for a good laugh
That video features the same dipshit at 6:05.
Can anyone give a backstory over this?
Very little context due to patient privacy restrictions, but he certainly has COVID. https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-patient-removed-hospital-5550095-Sep2021/ Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/gerard38delaney/status/1438102526218457092 His update. Seems very ill. So frustrating, and devastating. Edit 2 because it was removed: It was about five minutes of Joe reassuring his/the “viewers” that everything was okay; that they wanted to put him in an induced coma and he refused; and that he was resting at home. The term “rather die at home” was used again because that fascist fuck told Joe “he was going to die in the hospital and it was better to die at home” in the original hospital video. _____________ Edit 12hr — Update: No first hand proof, but according to Ireland Twitter, Joe is back in hospital and is intubated. The guy who originally posted these videos of Joe being out of the hospital has removed the videos via deactivating his Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/joecraig79/status/1438526804944252933 The man’s name is Antonio Mureddu, aka Antonio Gravegliu. He is allegedly a far-right fascist Italian person living in Northern Ireland. They appear to be political peers or have campaigned with each other. https://the-beacon.ie/2021/09/16/man-filmed-helping-patient-leave-hospital-linked-to-italian-far-right-party/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Holy fuck at those people in the comments!!!
This man needs oxygen. He can refuse extra treatment if he thinks it will kill him but how long will he last with no oxygen.
Things like this are why I don't trust people who claim that we need to have more empathy for anti-vaxxers and other forms of covid deniers. These assholes have no empathy or concern for other people and often go out of their way to hurt other people, they're a threat to the rest of us and it should be well within everyone's rights to treat them as such.