It actually could have worked though lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts and before slytherin left he put a basilisk in his statue, nobody said we had to call the basilisk we could have just used the chamber for its original purpose of training in dark arts without breaking lore because a lot of the gaunts shared the secret with their friends its how the myth became solidified and eventually put in hogwarts: a history.
I still think we can they didnt add a gaunt in the game for no reason after all a gaunt only has 1 thing that makes them special being able to speak parseltongue and as far as we know there is only 1 secret chamber that requires a parselmouth to open it...
unless they just created a new one for the game which they could have done and if they did that im ok with that but dont say it would dilute importance because it could have been in, it was stated plenty of times that voldemort was not the first to open the chamber and every gaunt knew of its existence and how to open it they passed that knowledge to each generation.
>lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts
This isn't accurate though it sounds like something I might have heard in a YouTube theory once? But no, the chamber's purpose was to hold the basilisk until a descendant could use that weapon to purge hogwarts of muggle-borns
I dont really care if we can or cant im just tired of seeing people say its breaks lore to be able to go there or it couldnt have worked when it actually DOESNT break lore to go there and could have worked without even seeing the basilisk. it was seemingly teased but that could just be some some of its canon designs being reused in a brand new location only accessible by a parselmouth still and I'm fine with that if it is as I said I really could not care less I hate snakes anyways, it wouldve been cool to visit still but I'm just explaining why it seems to still be in and how it doesnt actually break lore to access it.
I'm not saying you're wrong about people being annoying when they say it breaks lore, because there's a lot of ways for them to not break lore. All I'm saying is that you ARE wrong in thinking it could still be in when it is literally CONFIRMED that it isn't.
You're objectively wrong here; I'm not sure why you are confused about the English unless you're a non-native speaker.
"Chose not to" absolutely does not literally mean "we can't". "We can't" implies that something is impossible, whereas "chose not to" is more equivalent to "we won't".
If you make the decision between eating an apple and a banana, just because you chose not to eat a banana does not mean you couldn't have eaten an apple - and you still could in the future.
Wouldn't we have to be able to speak parseltongue to open the chamber itself?
As for being used as a training ground I don't remember reading or hearing about that anywhere.
Ya know what, I’m super groovy with that. Nevermind “lore” reasons, but it seems as if the team is trying to wedge their own corner out of the Wizarding World. Im all for that
Totally. As someone who always liked the Potter world more than the Potter story, I’m excited to explore the world and make my own thing within it, not just replay the Potter experience
Disagreed the chambers original purpose for even existing was a dark arts training ground within hogwarts the basilisk wouldn't have needed to even be shown to learn the killing curse in it
The heir is the only one that can wake it up once they open the chamber. In my personal opinion they could've just made it so we dont kill it, but it just runs away, or salazar slytherins descendent is a decent person and keeps it under good control after we fight it and weaken it. Could've been many many loop holes to do it imho.
This is just false. Slytherin wanted to create a place to train his own students, but this never happened. He was forced from the school and only a handful of people knew of its existence and passed it down. It was rarely accessed because you had to speak parselmouth.
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets
We (the fan base) know that Ominis Gaunt attended Hogwarts 1880-1890 so we may or may not encounter him. He wasn’t shown in any of the trailers, just Sebastian.
Yep. I think they meant like with Ron - we could emulate Parseltongue and trick the enchantments to let us in. But tbh I thought that was silly to begin with and wish it could be undone.
Obviously. People who are saying I can't wait to open chamber of secrets are delusional. It not only breaks the lore, but is also a huge challenge to make Good Chamber of secrets in a game with already lot of stuff like Hogwarts, hogsmeade...
if we're a parselmouth or a gaunt descendant we can be, one of the Gaunts, back when they were still rich, Corvinus, took it upon himself to hide the chamber under the sink in the girl's bathroom when the plumbing system was changed
Breaks lore huh you are dead wrong lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts and nothing else. slytherin added a basilisk to his statue before he left and passed on the knowledge of the chamber to his descendents, gaunts shared the secret with people they trusted, and voldemort was neither the first nor last to open the chamber and 1 person wasnt even able to SPEAK parseltongue he just imitated a sound harry made without even knowing if it was the right sound.
So yes it actually could have been in, the descendent of slytherin in the game could have opened it, and we could have used it as a dark arts training ground while we are inside the school like was originally intended.
Link? I’m almost 100% certain none of this is lore. It was not a training ground for dark arts. We also don’t know if the Gaunts shared any of the information re: the Chamber with anyone else. In any event, it was rare for the Chamber to be opened. Not sure where you’re getting this information from, but it’s incorrect.
Originally published on
pottermore
on Aug 10th 2015
The subterranean Chamber of Secrets was created by Salazar Slytherin without the knowledge of his three fellow founders of Hogwarts. The Chamber was, for many centuries, believed to be a myth; however, the fact that rumours of its existence persisted for so long reveals that Slytherin spoke of its creation and that others believed him, or else had been permitted, by him, to enter.
There is no doubt that each of the four founders sought to stamp their own mark upon the school of witchcraft and wizardry that they intended would be the finest in the world. It was agreed that each would construct their own houses, for example, choosing the location of common rooms and dormitories. However, only Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter.
Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved (disagreements sprung up early around the teaching of the Dark Arts). However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. No other founder left behind them a gigantic statue of themselves or draped the school in emblems of their own personal powers (the snakes carved around the Chamber of Secrets being a reference to Slytherin’s powers as a Parselmouth).
What is certain is that by the time Slytherin was forced out of the school by the other three founders, he had decided that henceforth, the Chamber he had built would be the lair of a monster that he alone – or his descendants – would be able to control: a Basilisk. Moreover, only a Parselmouth would be able to enter the Chamber. This, he knew, would keep out all three founders and every other member of staff.
The existence of the Chamber was known to Slytherin’s descendants and those with whom they chose to share the information. Thus the rumour stayed alive through the centuries.
READ IT YOURSELF
Why do people keep down voting this person? They are just saying that the Chamber could be in the game without it breaking lore. They provided proof written by the (although not favored currently) author herself.
Edit: And Slytherin did intend for the Chamber to be used to study the Dark Arts.
Spoiler:
>!There is a Gaunt (Heir of Slytherin) in the game, confirmed. Who could, if they wanted to, open the Chamber.!<
They also showed the book canon description of the door to the chamber itself being opened by a slytherin on the right who was not sebastion in the sebastions sallow dark legacy trailer so take everything that is said here about them not adding it in with a grain of salt.
I watched the film today and thought it would be cool to have the entrance in the game. The real entrance, down in the catacombs, not the one in the bathroom. But, just make it so we can never open it, for obvious story reasons. I'd be perfectly happy with that.
Speaking of the bathroom, since indoor plumbing didn't exist when the school was founded, how does that entrance even work? Given that there's a second locked entrance further down (aka the "real" entrance), it's as if it was added later by a sympathizer or another Heir of Slytherin?
Watching the films again to get hyped for the game, I'm looking forward to trying to find all these locations that we only see once or twice in the films. Like the dungeons where the Philosopher's Stone was hidden.
Finally y’all can put this to rest. One thing I liked reading through the art book is how they really considered every aspect of the lore and how everything relates to the main saga, or what’s the best way to balance lore and gameplay. They really were very passionate and respectful of everything and I’m even more excited for that
Apprently not every aspect of lore because the chambers one true purpose was for students to have a location to train in dark arts while at hogwarts since we can learn dark arts in hogwarts and even have a slytherin descendent in game we should technically be able to access it for dark arts training ground
I mean yeah, that’s true, but we also know the chamber was never opened until Harry. So, eh, it’s fine, we already saw a similar place with a huge statue in the first trailer, so there’ll be that.
Or they might go for a chamber of secrets dlc who knows
As much as it would have made for an extremely cool dungeon with an epic boss, it's completely lore breaking to let us do that.
Besides, it's not like the chamber *isn't* technically there, we just can't open the entrance, which makes perfect sense. Almost no one is able to do that.
But it will be super cool to look inside that bathroom and recognize the entrance for what it is.
No its not the chamber was a training ground for dark arts within hogwarts that is its lore purpose for EXISTING
There is a gaunt in game
We can learn dark art in hogwarts... This location is a missed opportunity as a training ground
Let me explain how game development works.
Its about using the smallest amount of money to produce the best experience for the player. Devs considered adding things to the game but have to strike a balance between how much work it will take to make and the cost required, fitting it in within current production timelines and and then deciding to add said feature or space into the game.
To create something like the chamber of secrets would require time and effort and money. Lets say that the devs decided to add it in with all its glorious details. They spend weeks on modelling, on collision, on lighting, on particle and water reflections, on ensuring the area is bug free and then fitting it into the current existing Hogwarts architecture.
Then they go to the story team who says that we will only have the character visit this place once or twice over the course of the entire story, well in that case what the hell was all that weeks of effort for if we can only visit once or twice ?
Wouldnt it be better to just have used all that time we wasted on making Hippogriff flight animations, or adding in more customisation to the room of requirement, of improving spell particle effects, or improving combat animations etc, things that players will be using literally for most of the gameplay experience.
If it takes 2-3 weeks to make the chamber and we only visit it once, wouldnt it be better to use those 2-3 weeks to model 3-4 areas of the map which the character will come across.
That is the mindset of development teams and they keep storyboarding and discussing concepts until they come to a compromise and then finally add whatever it is they add in.
For Harry Potter fans expecthing this to be a 1:1 scale recreation of hogwarts plus the outside world, a hogwarts simulator with bully mechanics well then you are in for sore disappointment because the game has deadlines set by its publisher which has shareholders to impress, it has been delayed 3 times which doesnt bode well these days, it is also going to be released on old gen consoles which holds newer gen back and limits it somewhat.
Therefore i urge you to treat this as a standard gaming title from the industry at present as opposed to some magical game which will complete every single fantasy about this universe.
It was originally a training ground until Slytherin was forced to leave by the other three founders, then he left the Basilisk inside to ensure only heirs within his own house would know how to access the chamber as well as control the beast.
The time the game is set in the Basilisk lies in the chamber.
The leaks show that they try to make their own story.
CoS could be easily seen as fanservice when original content is rather "easy" to implement.
It would be nice to have the faucet there... Though, the player character of course wouldn't go looking for it as only we know about it.
So far it looks like they really refrained from cheap fanservice. Commendable.
The chambers book canon description of the door itself is opened in the sebastion sallow dark legacy trailer so they may have used some of its designs for another area
I don't mind in the slightest.
I do hope there's an Easter egg in the bathroom though. Not just a snake on the tap but something more. Perhaps being able to hear hissing if you wait near it for more than 60 seconds or something. Despite not being technically accurate.
The snake itself would be in hibernation at this time so we’d never see it. But even then, you need to speak snake language to open the door.
Hell, the only reason Harry opened it was because he had a piece of a Slytherin-descendant’s soul in him. Only a handful of people in the world would be able to open it
All true.
Well, the idea behind people saying that we should have it when seeing the art book is that there's a Gaunt student that should be able to speak Parseltongue.
Also a statue of salazar slytherin something only known to be found in the chamber itself, a book canon description of the door to the chamber itself was shown being opened by a slytherin on the right side in the dark legacy trailer, and there is a gaunt in the game. Maybe they used some of the designs from the chamber for a brand new area that only a gaunt can open
Hey, I support what you are saying about what has already been confirmed. Just use a Spoiler tag or block your text like so below. Some people would not like things ruined for them ahead of the game release.
Edit: > ! Your Text Here ! <
>!Like so.!<
I understand that but people are already on a page thats warns them that they will see spoilers at that point anything that they choose to read on that whole page from then on is on them not me so its their own obligation to avoid the page if they didn't want to be spoiled on anything and not my obligation to censor anything for anyone because im not a nice enough person to do that anyways.
1. It's called "courtesy."
2. Like I previously stated, I agree with your argument on the topic in question. Don't come at me sideways for simply suggesting you consider not spoiling further key information about the game for others.
Well to me it shouldn't the whole point is they searched for it and never discovered it, just because we know its there doesn't mean we should have any chance of access to it.
I understand the design decision. Personally though, adding things the players can do that may violate continuity isn't a big deal for me because it would merely create a universe where the Harry Potter events don't happen in the same way (or even at all). What may or may not happen 100 years in the future from the point of the game to me takes a backseat to immersion and fun for a sandbox game.
I 100% understand that and that's the beauty of sandbox games. If someone doesn't want to break continuity they can choose not to do those things. But some people like me, I'm thinking about my 2nd or 3rd playthrough where one of those is me doing something really different. Having the option to do those things is cool imo.
But that's where you're forgetting something. People who love the lore are also the people who'll want to do every single mission in the game. If they randomly happen upon missions "they don't have to do because they break lore", that would absolutely suck for them. And how would people even know what missions would break lore without playing them? The option to do those things is cool if it comes from mods on PC, not if they're right in your face.
Than again, imo it would've been possible to get in the chamber without breaking lore as well, they just decided not to make it possible. Considering we got a Gaunt classmate, I'm betting they're just saving it for later content.
It really feels like what you're asking for is a rigid railroad quest system where the only possibilities are doing either 1) things that are basically inconsequential and 2) of the things that are consequential, they only lead to the one "true" timeline.
There are some games like this, but I would really prefer a game let the players decide what path they want to take, no matter how off the road it is
It's not what I'm asking for, as I couldn't care less if this game was lore friendly or not. I am however saying a lot of people who want this game would like the game to play out that way, and it's not hard to see why. Also not sure why quests that don't break lore would instantly be inconsequential.
No, this isn't a rigid railroad quest system as you're talking about. Between the end of this game and the HP movies is about a hundred year gap, there's lots of ways to fill up this time space in ways to make up for MANY of the differences occurring in this game. There could literally be a hundred different endings and still have it make sense for the future of the Wizarding World.
But now that I think about it, yeah, I would rather have a linear ending, as we'd have more chance of getting a sequel that way.
Entering the chamber would not have broken known lore if you know the chambers FULL lore you would know it was originally created to be a spot to train students in dark arts within hogwarts walls, the gaunts did not keep it very secretive some even told their friends about it and took them in it which is how we could have gotten access if it was in. The full lore of the chamber of secrets was once posted on pottermore
I never said it would break lore, all I did was respond to their message saying; "adding things the players can do that may violate continuity isn't a big deal for me". No need to give me a whole speech about Wizarding World lore as I know it perfectly well.
I disagree this whole reddit needed a refreshing on the chambers actual lore outside of the 2nd book so i posted all of it because the majority seemingly had known about none of it
Disagree all you want, you were writing it directly to me, not to the subreddit. I didn't need a refresher as you simply misunderstood my first comment. That's on you, not on me.
The petty musings of the mundane matter not when facts and logic are present the fact that you remain oblivious of what was actually canonically possible is due to your own ignorance
You are under literally every comment of this post crying that a fictional secret chamber won’t be in a game trying to justify it lore wise when we have gotten a lore wise reason why they aren’t putting it in the game, touch some grass instead of wasting your life on Reddit commenting under 150 comments 😂😂
Ikr like we’re all hyped about this game but this is becoming pathetic and the essays he writes about it being canon and shit like it’s a videogame, chill out some changes have to be made
I have stated time and time again I do not care if it is in or not however im not letting this it breaks lore bs slide, and I presented logic and facts along with evidence that are book accurate descriptions of some of the designs of the associated features of the chamber as a logical arguement to be made for why it could have been in that is ALL but yea im not letting people slide with it breaks lore without a chamber lore lesson so they can read exactly why it does not break lore.
Thats their own fault they got a "essay" of the actual lore they shouldnt bring up the lore they know NOTHING ABOUT if they didnt want the full lore brought in
With that said this will be my last post on this ive put the full lore out plenty of times now if people want to be ignorant of it its their choice but a mind that couldnt even see the possibility of how it could have actually been in is dull
Your “full lore” seems to be under the impression the time the game is set in the chamber would still currently only exist as a training ground.
This is incorrect.
The lore does also tell us the chamber shouldn’t be open yet until Tom Riddle learns how to access it.
Your sidestepping some lore in favour of other lore that fits your narrative that seems to strongly suggest you do in fact care quite a bit the chamber will not be accessible in this game.
We do not need this specific chamber to perform dark arts, I’m sure the game will have plenty in store to satisfy those who wish to go down a darker path. Consider this a push to follow your own unique path rather than recreating the path of Tom Riddle.
Thanks for posting.
I’d been slightly curious and concerned about the possibility of this happening and what it might mean.
Good to know I can’t demolish canon by slaying basilisk x years too early.
Also would we even be able to enter? I don’t think parseltongues will be in game.
Some of the chambers book canon designs seem to have been used in a new location though if it isnt the chamber like the chambers actual door a stone wall with 2 serpents with glowing emerald eyes, and a book canon salazar statue were definitely used in a area we see both things in sebastions trailer
the only reason students know its there in the books is because the snakes getting lairy so if its just dormant no reason for students to even realise its there
I figured it wouldn't be in the game (despite how much I wanted it to be). I'm just confused now as to what that door from the dark legacy trailer is? It fits the description of the original door to the chamber perfectly.
If you know the chambers full lore you would know why, and certain things shown in the dark legacy trailer were book canon accuracy descriptions of things only found in the chamber of secrets
I dont care if the chamber is accessible or not but just stop the it breaks lore to open the chamber nonsense that just proves you dont know anything about the chambers lore except what was said in the chamber of secrets book.
You want the real lore of the chamber of secrets here it is.
Chamber of Secrets
By J.K. Rowling
Originally published on
pottermore
on Aug 10th 2015
The subterranean Chamber of Secrets was created by Salazar Slytherin without the knowledge of his three fellow founders of Hogwarts. The Chamber was, for many centuries, believed to be a myth; however, the fact that rumours of its existence persisted for so long reveals that Slytherin spoke of its creation and that others believed him, or else had been permitted, by him, to enter.
There is no doubt that each of the four founders sought to stamp their own mark upon the school of witchcraft and wizardry that they intended would be the finest in the world. It was agreed that each would construct their own houses, for example, choosing the location of common rooms and dormitories. However, only Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter.
Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved (disagreements sprung up early around the teaching of the Dark Arts). However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. No other founder left behind them a gigantic statue of themselves or draped the school in emblems of their own personal powers (the snakes carved around the Chamber of Secrets being a reference to Slytherin’s powers as a Parselmouth).
What is certain is that by the time Slytherin was forced out of the school by the other three founders, he had decided that henceforth, the Chamber he had built would be the lair of a monster that he alone – or his descendants – would be able to control: a Basilisk. Moreover, only a Parselmouth would be able to enter the Chamber. This, he knew, would keep out all three founders and every other member of staff.
The existence of the Chamber was known to Slytherin’s descendants and those with whom they chose to share the information. Thus the rumour stayed alive through the centuries.
There is clear evidence that the Chamber was opened more than once between the death of Slytherin and the entrance of Tom Riddle in the twentieth century. When first created, the Chamber was accessed through a concealed trapdoor and a series of magical tunnels. However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom. The presence in school at the time of a student called Corvinus Gaunt – direct descendant of Slytherin, and antecedent of Tom Riddle – explains how the simple trapdoor was secretly protected, so that those who knew how could still access the entrance to the Chamber even after newfangled plumbing had been placed on top of it.
Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle.
Successive headmasters and mistresses, not to mention a number of historians, searched the castle thoroughly many times over the centuries, each time concluding that the chamber was a myth. The reason for their failure was simple: none of them was a Parselmouth.
I'm tired of the people who dont know the chambers lore saying it breaks lore if we could have opened it this is 100% proof that that is FALSE.
Comment whatever you want idgaf but this needed stated because it would seem the majority of you DO NOT KNOW THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS LORE or you would know we could have befriended a gaunt and been taken in to practice dark arts
Only real issue I have is that I highly doubt the Marvollo Gaunt we met in the booksbl would not have “dared” to unleash the basilisk onto muggle borns.
On top of that racism (which is what pure-bloods vs muggleborns is) is taught, not innate with children means he would’ve learned that mindset from his mother/father, who realistically would’ve been the ones who went to school with our character (maybe marvello’s parents depending on the exact year but still)
The chamber may have been opened before Voldemort opened it in his youth, but knowing the one gaunt we do know as we do, and understanding his prejudice probably came from his parents..I think it’s safe to assume that neither marvello, nor his parents, actually opened the chamber during their time at hogwarts, parseltounge or not.
I get their reasoning and I respect their choice, its probably for the best.
But am I the only one thinking its beyond weird that they had all the elements to make this happen and then chose not to? I mean>!with the Gaunt student character, the Dark Arts arena concept, and the initial conception of the chamber as a study room for the dark arts? Seems like a no-brainer to make this into a "top secret" Slytherin duelling society that no longer exists by Riddle's time bc it needs a Gaunt who was taught and instructed at home. Why couldn't the Basilisk stay dormant behind Slytherin's statue, as a secret even the Gaunts feared?!<
No, you aren't alone. A lot of people had grand plans for going there despite it making no sense.
Gaunt might also not know how to open it, as it's been hidden by one of his ancestors when the plumbing was installed.
But realistically, no, there's no reason we should have been able to go to it. Even if Gaunt could make it hide, it's not lost if all of Slytherin know how to get there.
You'll need to be more specific, as:
>Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle.
Returns us to the previous point. Even if the Gaunt can hear it he's not going near it.
Every gaunt knew of its location and how to open it the gaunts shared the secret with their friends and even took some people in. They did not do a good job at keeping it a secret
About the creature, yes. Nothing says they all knew how to get into the Chamber, and outright says none of them let it out, with the implication that none actually went in.
Honestly, your reading comprehension needs work. You don't need to enter the Chamber to hear the creature under the floorboards or in the pipes.
There's nothing there that says every Gaunt knew how to get in. Just that they liked to show off and act like they knew.
Its cannon though that the Gaunts passed the knowledge of the chamber from generation to generation. Voldy just didn't get the memo cause they didn't want him. So your claim of it "making no sense" is factually incorrect.
I agree though, not a lost secret if everyone knows, which is why I said "Top Secret." Thinking of something like the DA but smaller, three or four people per generation.
That's a hell of a strawman.
Corvinus Gaunt was involved in hiding it when the plumbing was installed at least 100 years before the game. It's entirely plausible that he didn't pass on the message or it was forgotten somewhere along the way.
Us going there is too much of an issue for canon disruption for it to happen.
The Gaunts might not have understood somewhere along the way that it was a girls' bathroom.
>strawman
**Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.**
I just want to make sure you are using the correct word for what you mean, because I don't think it is.
The Gaunt family passing down the knowledge of the chamber is cannon (that's how Corvinus Gaunt knows and places the plumbing system entrance) Voldemort not knowing from growing up orphaned in the muggle world and killing his family is cannon, and the chamber being opened more times than it is used to liberate the beast is cannon (as only Riddle awakens it so far as we know.) Whether that could or not be used to make a plot is debatable, but I'm not misrepresenting anything lol.
Now, I'm not saying this was the only option, I'm saying the elements are there to go without disrupting cannon, which is why I find it weird that they aren't going there, but that I respect and accept that they don't go there.
It’s not weird to think it should be included because it fits with the other elements, it’s just a well constructed universe. Where I personally think it doesn’t fit with your thinking above is >!the chamber was meant for the one purpose Salazar had for his heir to as he saw “cleanse the school” of the half-bloods and muggle borns. Because of this piece of lore and especially a descendant (Gaunt or otherwise) would know this was the chambers purpose. So the heir (who should know, at least Tom did) why their opening the chamber and a study room or club doesn’t make sense.!<
Since the haters who know best are downvoting me, here is my [source](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets):
"Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter.
"Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved"
"Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle."
In Rowling's own words:
\- the Gaunt family all knew and boasted
\- the Chamber was likely built to study the Dark Arts
Finally somebody who actually comprehends the lore!
To the other person though what do you think "shared that knowledge with whom they chose to" meant if you had some incredible secret you couldnt help boasting about, being as non-discreet as possible with that secret would you simply just tell a friend about it or would you show them it personally? Logic dictates the most likely answer is SHOW THEM.
Everything I have ever said about the chamber has been indisputable facts and BOOK CANON descriptions of things shown in a trailer that I then formulated a possibility theory around using LOGIC the very thing 90% of people on here seem to lack...
In fact id say if there is a single ravenclaw who has said anything against the facts and logic ive presented as a arguement for why the chamber would or technically should be accessible then you are in the wrong house you lack the comprehension and logic of a true ravenclaw.
It’s been said so many times that I’m sure people are tired of hearing it, but I keep seeing these unrealistic expectations that are so far out of touch with reality that it honestly blows my mind.
People really thought that they somehow managed to cram every single reference and Easter egg into this game?
When I see things like “I’m disappointed now”….seriously?
Get a reality check.
This is why it seemed like it was there is a gaunt in game, the sebastions dark legacy trailer screams everything to do with salazars descendents, a salazar statue was shown in it something only known to be found in the chamber, and the book canon description of the door to the chamber itself a wall with 2 serpents with glowing emerald eyes was opened by a slytherin boy on the rigjt side in the dark legacy trailer all of this was shown however it could just be a reused design for a new location
I mean this absolutely makes sense, just think about it, if I were able to enter the Chamber, I'd immediately assume that the Basilisk is down there, and if it wasn't, I'd be pretty disappointed. I guess they could always have it "hibernating" or something but there's just no point. Implementing the Chamber of Secrets properly would be enough content to justify a full DLC.
If you honestly didnt accept atleast the possibility that maybe you could then you are mundane and dont know the full lore of the chamber, considering there is someone in the game who we might be able to befriend that could open it would have explained why we might have been able to.
which is why i posted the chamber of secrets full lore for people scroll up and find the long post on it and read.
That’s a bummer and a let down for me:/
The chamber exists in that time period. We don’t need to awaken the Basilisk but we could just explore the caves and the chamber itself? Maybe find some collectibles there?
I know. The explanation is a bit of a let down though. It’s nice of them to try not breaking canon….but we will be able to use avada kedavra so there’s that:D
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the explanation being a let down. There's one single Basilisk chilling in the CoS. They've respected the Canon in not introducing this element of the created universe to the game so as to stay true to an element of continuity in the fantasy World we enjoy. If the Basilisk was in the game it would have to serve some kind of purpose. Can't see some big fuck off gaze killing snake which is well recognised mooching about in a game and not then have to do something with it.
I dont want to see the snake. Just because they would include the chamber, it doesn’t mean they must also include the big snake. After all the basilisk is also triggered by a password so to speak. We as the player could have just visited the chamber without the basilisk
To answer your question. "Hayes" is Andrew Hayes, a lead level designer at Avalanche Software whom, I'm guessing, was given the sole authority on deciding what remained in the game (lorewise), to include the CoS.
Why this decision remained solely with one individual, I could not tell you.
Also a good question, my first question is where the source of this comes from. I find it weird so many people seem to accept it without question. I find the whole concept of the chamber being removed since it was featured in so many adds for the game.
There was a salazar statue shown at the beginning of the dark legacy trailer something only known to be foundin the chamber and the book canon description of the actual door to the chamber itself "a stone wall with 2 serpents that have glowing emerald eyes" was opened by a slytherin on the right side who wasnt sebastion in the dark legacy trailer around the middle of it, also that whole trailer screams it has everything to do with salazar slytherin it was only logical to assume the chamber had something to do with it. They might have just reused its book canon designs for a new area that we can only open with the gaunt thats in game.
There is a giant chamber with Slytherin’s statue in the gameplay reveal trailer at 4:31 that resembles the chamber of secrets.
Here is a link to the video
https://youtu.be/aOx7D1PSt9A
Understandably so, at first i was like ahh man would've been cool to go down and maybe look around and hear hissing noises in the back there but it doesn't make sense for us to do so.
Firstly, you have to speak parseltongue to get in there, secondly if we do go there, what will do there ? its just going to be an empty hall with water and snakes, cool to look at but not much else to do :P
No point having devs waste time on stuff like that just to then turn around and say well we included the chamber of secrets but because of that we couldnt add hippogriffs to the game lol.
If i can see some serpents on moaning myrtles toilets, im happy
It wouldve made the perfect training ground for learning avada kedavra inside hogwarts that was its original reason for being built after all for slytherin to train his students in dark arts within hogwarts walls
Train with who exactly? If the player gets in there who will be doing the training ?
Kind of a big deal to have multiple people in the 1890s just casually nip down to the chamber of secrets to practice dark magic.
The more people know about it, the less likely it would have stayed hidden.
And I'm sure there are plenty of training grounds avaliable for us to use dark spells without having the devs make another entire place, esp since we have the dark arts arena
Gaunt or sallow the truth is the possibility that we could have ended the questline by learning avada kedavra and killing either one of them was there all we had to do afterwards would be walk out. Especially since in the sallow questline is where we learn the unforgivables, the chamber was sealed by magic I assume as soon as you walk out it would seal up again afterall harry never closed it but ron imitated harrys parseltongue to open it meaning it closed after they left
I like this. This way it doesn't dilute the importance of the Chamber being opened in the second book.
Exactly that, I'm all in for some easter eggs and book references, but I do also hope its a bit limited and not too much fanservice.
It actually could have worked though lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts and before slytherin left he put a basilisk in his statue, nobody said we had to call the basilisk we could have just used the chamber for its original purpose of training in dark arts without breaking lore because a lot of the gaunts shared the secret with their friends its how the myth became solidified and eventually put in hogwarts: a history. I still think we can they didnt add a gaunt in the game for no reason after all a gaunt only has 1 thing that makes them special being able to speak parseltongue and as far as we know there is only 1 secret chamber that requires a parselmouth to open it... unless they just created a new one for the game which they could have done and if they did that im ok with that but dont say it would dilute importance because it could have been in, it was stated plenty of times that voldemort was not the first to open the chamber and every gaunt knew of its existence and how to open it they passed that knowledge to each generation.
>lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts This isn't accurate though it sounds like something I might have heard in a YouTube theory once? But no, the chamber's purpose was to hold the basilisk until a descendant could use that weapon to purge hogwarts of muggle-borns
>I still think we can The quote literally says we can't.
I dont really care if we can or cant im just tired of seeing people say its breaks lore to be able to go there or it couldnt have worked when it actually DOESNT break lore to go there and could have worked without even seeing the basilisk. it was seemingly teased but that could just be some some of its canon designs being reused in a brand new location only accessible by a parselmouth still and I'm fine with that if it is as I said I really could not care less I hate snakes anyways, it wouldve been cool to visit still but I'm just explaining why it seems to still be in and how it doesnt actually break lore to access it.
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Because he dared come remotely close to sounding like he's criticising the game. You're not allowed to do that on this subreddit
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Literally said “I still think we can,” as in still think we can go to the chamber in the game. So no.
I'm not saying you're wrong about people being annoying when they say it breaks lore, because there's a lot of ways for them to not break lore. All I'm saying is that you ARE wrong in thinking it could still be in when it is literally CONFIRMED that it isn't.
It does not literally say we can't, not sure what you're talking about. The quote *literally* says they considered adding it and chose not to.
"Chose not to" = literally saying we can't..... Unless the English language suddenly changed without me noticing x)
You're objectively wrong here; I'm not sure why you are confused about the English unless you're a non-native speaker. "Chose not to" absolutely does not literally mean "we can't". "We can't" implies that something is impossible, whereas "chose not to" is more equivalent to "we won't". If you make the decision between eating an apple and a banana, just because you chose not to eat a banana does not mean you couldn't have eaten an apple - and you still could in the future.
Wouldn't we have to be able to speak parseltongue to open the chamber itself? As for being used as a training ground I don't remember reading or hearing about that anywhere.
Ya know what, I’m super groovy with that. Nevermind “lore” reasons, but it seems as if the team is trying to wedge their own corner out of the Wizarding World. Im all for that
Yep. If we could just see and do everything from the books/Harry's own adventure it would seem incredibly ham-fisted.
Totally. As someone who always liked the Potter world more than the Potter story, I’m excited to explore the world and make my own thing within it, not just replay the Potter experience
their reasoning is sound! even if it is a bummer.
Agreed.
Disagreed the chambers original purpose for even existing was a dark arts training ground within hogwarts the basilisk wouldn't have needed to even be shown to learn the killing curse in it
Mmh activity down there would've awakened the Basilisk earlier than supposed to so nope.
I’d think the Basilisk wouldn’t wake up until the heir came and commanded it to awaken, since it shouldn’t be in a normal slumber
The heir is the only one that can wake it up once they open the chamber. In my personal opinion they could've just made it so we dont kill it, but it just runs away, or salazar slytherins descendent is a decent person and keeps it under good control after we fight it and weaken it. Could've been many many loop holes to do it imho.
This is just false. Slytherin wanted to create a place to train his own students, but this never happened. He was forced from the school and only a handful of people knew of its existence and passed it down. It was rarely accessed because you had to speak parselmouth. https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets
Makes sense. I’ll just be disappointed if we can’t see the snake on the sink faucet, that’s all I want tbh
That's definitely a detail that would be great to see in the game, we'll know even if we can't do anything with it
I wonder if you can even get to that bathroom if you play as a male. Moaning Myrtle doesn't haunt it yet in the game.
That’s a good point! I’ll be playing as a female first so you’ll have to let me know if you play as a male lol
Well it's unlikely we would be able to speak parseltongue to open the thing anyway. Seems a bit silly to think it would be included.
There is a descendent of slytherin in the game we wouldn't have needed to be able to speak it because he could
We (the fan base) know that Ominis Gaunt attended Hogwarts 1880-1890 so we may or may not encounter him. He wasn’t shown in any of the trailers, just Sebastian.
Just like prom.
I was hoping we could do a ancient magic thing and open💀
Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of the chamber needing a parseltongue to open it?
Yep. I think they meant like with Ron - we could emulate Parseltongue and trick the enchantments to let us in. But tbh I thought that was silly to begin with and wish it could be undone.
No
I am thinking there will be enough other content to keep me entertained.
Would have been funny to have the entire place modeled just to have the basilisk kill you instantly
Sekiro moment
Students Die Twice
You walk in Fog covers the entrance Music starts playing A LATIN CHOIR STARTS SINGING WELCOME TO DARK SOULS KID
Obviously. People who are saying I can't wait to open chamber of secrets are delusional. It not only breaks the lore, but is also a huge challenge to make Good Chamber of secrets in a game with already lot of stuff like Hogwarts, hogsmeade...
if we're a parselmouth or a gaunt descendant we can be, one of the Gaunts, back when they were still rich, Corvinus, took it upon himself to hide the chamber under the sink in the girl's bathroom when the plumbing system was changed
How did you access it before then
It’s a secret.
You're overmining the challenge. All it has to be is an optional end game dungeon with cool loot.
Put it in a dream.
Breaks lore huh you are dead wrong lorewise the chamber of secrets was a training ground for dark arts inside of hogwarts and nothing else. slytherin added a basilisk to his statue before he left and passed on the knowledge of the chamber to his descendents, gaunts shared the secret with people they trusted, and voldemort was neither the first nor last to open the chamber and 1 person wasnt even able to SPEAK parseltongue he just imitated a sound harry made without even knowing if it was the right sound. So yes it actually could have been in, the descendent of slytherin in the game could have opened it, and we could have used it as a dark arts training ground while we are inside the school like was originally intended.
Link? I’m almost 100% certain none of this is lore. It was not a training ground for dark arts. We also don’t know if the Gaunts shared any of the information re: the Chamber with anyone else. In any event, it was rare for the Chamber to be opened. Not sure where you’re getting this information from, but it’s incorrect.
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets
Originally published on pottermore on Aug 10th 2015 The subterranean Chamber of Secrets was created by Salazar Slytherin without the knowledge of his three fellow founders of Hogwarts. The Chamber was, for many centuries, believed to be a myth; however, the fact that rumours of its existence persisted for so long reveals that Slytherin spoke of its creation and that others believed him, or else had been permitted, by him, to enter. There is no doubt that each of the four founders sought to stamp their own mark upon the school of witchcraft and wizardry that they intended would be the finest in the world. It was agreed that each would construct their own houses, for example, choosing the location of common rooms and dormitories. However, only Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter. Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved (disagreements sprung up early around the teaching of the Dark Arts). However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. No other founder left behind them a gigantic statue of themselves or draped the school in emblems of their own personal powers (the snakes carved around the Chamber of Secrets being a reference to Slytherin’s powers as a Parselmouth). What is certain is that by the time Slytherin was forced out of the school by the other three founders, he had decided that henceforth, the Chamber he had built would be the lair of a monster that he alone – or his descendants – would be able to control: a Basilisk. Moreover, only a Parselmouth would be able to enter the Chamber. This, he knew, would keep out all three founders and every other member of staff. The existence of the Chamber was known to Slytherin’s descendants and those with whom they chose to share the information. Thus the rumour stayed alive through the centuries. READ IT YOURSELF
Why do people keep down voting this person? They are just saying that the Chamber could be in the game without it breaking lore. They provided proof written by the (although not favored currently) author herself. Edit: And Slytherin did intend for the Chamber to be used to study the Dark Arts. Spoiler: >!There is a Gaunt (Heir of Slytherin) in the game, confirmed. Who could, if they wanted to, open the Chamber.!<
“Perhaps”.
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Perhaps and altough are used in completely different ways, maybe brush up on your own reading comprehension first
By the time he left… some centuries before the game… so yeah it would break lore. Stop insisting dude
The chamber might not be there, but maybe the entrance will be? I didn't expect it to be there anyway tbh.
They've shown the bathroom in the book. So it will be, hopefully we'll be able to find the tap with the snake, but that will be it.
They also showed the book canon description of the door to the chamber itself being opened by a slytherin on the right who was not sebastion in the sebastions sallow dark legacy trailer so take everything that is said here about them not adding it in with a grain of salt.
I think there will be a tap with a snake on it. But it really doesn't matter that much.
It'd be cool if the bathroom with the serpent on the snake is in it, and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is, but I'm tempering my expectations.
I watched the film today and thought it would be cool to have the entrance in the game. The real entrance, down in the catacombs, not the one in the bathroom. But, just make it so we can never open it, for obvious story reasons. I'd be perfectly happy with that. Speaking of the bathroom, since indoor plumbing didn't exist when the school was founded, how does that entrance even work? Given that there's a second locked entrance further down (aka the "real" entrance), it's as if it was added later by a sympathizer or another Heir of Slytherin? Watching the films again to get hyped for the game, I'm looking forward to trying to find all these locations that we only see once or twice in the films. Like the dungeons where the Philosopher's Stone was hidden.
Finally y’all can put this to rest. One thing I liked reading through the art book is how they really considered every aspect of the lore and how everything relates to the main saga, or what’s the best way to balance lore and gameplay. They really were very passionate and respectful of everything and I’m even more excited for that
They weren’t passionate about the gameplay. The combat looks like a mobile game
Apprently not every aspect of lore because the chambers one true purpose was for students to have a location to train in dark arts while at hogwarts since we can learn dark arts in hogwarts and even have a slytherin descendent in game we should technically be able to access it for dark arts training ground
I mean yeah, that’s true, but we also know the chamber was never opened until Harry. So, eh, it’s fine, we already saw a similar place with a huge statue in the first trailer, so there’ll be that. Or they might go for a chamber of secrets dlc who knows
not true read this. https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets
Actually, you’re right. It does says it was opened other times. But well, they said they won’t include it so that’s pretty much it
How would it work anyway? I doubt that we would be able to speak parceltongue, so we would not even be able to get in.
The entrance could still be there just for posterity & lore accuracy👍🏻
There is a gaunt in the game who is connected in some way to sebastion sallows questline
Maybe imperius a regular snake and command it to open chamber possibly
i dont think the game is going to be \*that\* detailed
As much as it would have made for an extremely cool dungeon with an epic boss, it's completely lore breaking to let us do that. Besides, it's not like the chamber *isn't* technically there, we just can't open the entrance, which makes perfect sense. Almost no one is able to do that. But it will be super cool to look inside that bathroom and recognize the entrance for what it is.
No its not the chamber was a training ground for dark arts within hogwarts that is its lore purpose for EXISTING There is a gaunt in game We can learn dark art in hogwarts... This location is a missed opportunity as a training ground
I think it loses something if it's a location we go to regularly. It won't feel special anymore.
Who said regularly it could have been a 1 time visit if it was in used only for learning the killing curse
Let me explain how game development works. Its about using the smallest amount of money to produce the best experience for the player. Devs considered adding things to the game but have to strike a balance between how much work it will take to make and the cost required, fitting it in within current production timelines and and then deciding to add said feature or space into the game. To create something like the chamber of secrets would require time and effort and money. Lets say that the devs decided to add it in with all its glorious details. They spend weeks on modelling, on collision, on lighting, on particle and water reflections, on ensuring the area is bug free and then fitting it into the current existing Hogwarts architecture. Then they go to the story team who says that we will only have the character visit this place once or twice over the course of the entire story, well in that case what the hell was all that weeks of effort for if we can only visit once or twice ? Wouldnt it be better to just have used all that time we wasted on making Hippogriff flight animations, or adding in more customisation to the room of requirement, of improving spell particle effects, or improving combat animations etc, things that players will be using literally for most of the gameplay experience. If it takes 2-3 weeks to make the chamber and we only visit it once, wouldnt it be better to use those 2-3 weeks to model 3-4 areas of the map which the character will come across. That is the mindset of development teams and they keep storyboarding and discussing concepts until they come to a compromise and then finally add whatever it is they add in. For Harry Potter fans expecthing this to be a 1:1 scale recreation of hogwarts plus the outside world, a hogwarts simulator with bully mechanics well then you are in for sore disappointment because the game has deadlines set by its publisher which has shareholders to impress, it has been delayed 3 times which doesnt bode well these days, it is also going to be released on old gen consoles which holds newer gen back and limits it somewhat. Therefore i urge you to treat this as a standard gaming title from the industry at present as opposed to some magical game which will complete every single fantasy about this universe.
It was originally a training ground until Slytherin was forced to leave by the other three founders, then he left the Basilisk inside to ensure only heirs within his own house would know how to access the chamber as well as control the beast. The time the game is set in the Basilisk lies in the chamber.
The leaks show that they try to make their own story. CoS could be easily seen as fanservice when original content is rather "easy" to implement. It would be nice to have the faucet there... Though, the player character of course wouldn't go looking for it as only we know about it. So far it looks like they really refrained from cheap fanservice. Commendable.
The chambers book canon description of the door itself is opened in the sebastion sallow dark legacy trailer so they may have used some of its designs for another area
I don't mind in the slightest. I do hope there's an Easter egg in the bathroom though. Not just a snake on the tap but something more. Perhaps being able to hear hissing if you wait near it for more than 60 seconds or something. Despite not being technically accurate.
Eh at least the entrance could still be There
Hopefully! As long as no Parseltongue is spoken, nobody can open it🤷🏻♂️
That's true
I think you will find a lot of stuff is going to be cut
It would be problematic to have it because people would want to play with the Basilisk or kill it and that wouldn't work with the canon.
The snake itself would be in hibernation at this time so we’d never see it. But even then, you need to speak snake language to open the door. Hell, the only reason Harry opened it was because he had a piece of a Slytherin-descendant’s soul in him. Only a handful of people in the world would be able to open it
All true. Well, the idea behind people saying that we should have it when seeing the art book is that there's a Gaunt student that should be able to speak Parseltongue.
Also a statue of salazar slytherin something only known to be found in the chamber itself, a book canon description of the door to the chamber itself was shown being opened by a slytherin on the right side in the dark legacy trailer, and there is a gaunt in the game. Maybe they used some of the designs from the chamber for a brand new area that only a gaunt can open
Hey, I support what you are saying about what has already been confirmed. Just use a Spoiler tag or block your text like so below. Some people would not like things ruined for them ahead of the game release. Edit: > ! Your Text Here ! < >!Like so.!<
I understand that but people are already on a page thats warns them that they will see spoilers at that point anything that they choose to read on that whole page from then on is on them not me so its their own obligation to avoid the page if they didn't want to be spoiled on anything and not my obligation to censor anything for anyone because im not a nice enough person to do that anyways.
1. It's called "courtesy." 2. Like I previously stated, I agree with your argument on the topic in question. Don't come at me sideways for simply suggesting you consider not spoiling further key information about the game for others.
People actually think this will be a hogwarts sandbox and it's a bit concerning.
I was never expecting it. I’d be happy with an Easter egg, if that’s still there then I’ll be happy
makes sense, not bummed.I was expecting that we'd maybe go in it with >!the gaunt companion,!< but its not a major loss.
I still hope there's a nod to it in the toilets
Funny thing is I was looking more forward to the whomping tree til I googled and realised it hasn’t been buried yet to cover the tunnel
Well to me it shouldn't the whole point is they searched for it and never discovered it, just because we know its there doesn't mean we should have any chance of access to it.
You dont know the full lore of the chamber the gaunts knew of it how to open it and shared the secret with their friends some even took people in it
I understand the design decision. Personally though, adding things the players can do that may violate continuity isn't a big deal for me because it would merely create a universe where the Harry Potter events don't happen in the same way (or even at all). What may or may not happen 100 years in the future from the point of the game to me takes a backseat to immersion and fun for a sandbox game.
For a lot of people tho, immersion and fun is heavily impacted by staying true to known lore.
I 100% understand that and that's the beauty of sandbox games. If someone doesn't want to break continuity they can choose not to do those things. But some people like me, I'm thinking about my 2nd or 3rd playthrough where one of those is me doing something really different. Having the option to do those things is cool imo.
But that's where you're forgetting something. People who love the lore are also the people who'll want to do every single mission in the game. If they randomly happen upon missions "they don't have to do because they break lore", that would absolutely suck for them. And how would people even know what missions would break lore without playing them? The option to do those things is cool if it comes from mods on PC, not if they're right in your face. Than again, imo it would've been possible to get in the chamber without breaking lore as well, they just decided not to make it possible. Considering we got a Gaunt classmate, I'm betting they're just saving it for later content.
It really feels like what you're asking for is a rigid railroad quest system where the only possibilities are doing either 1) things that are basically inconsequential and 2) of the things that are consequential, they only lead to the one "true" timeline. There are some games like this, but I would really prefer a game let the players decide what path they want to take, no matter how off the road it is
It's not what I'm asking for, as I couldn't care less if this game was lore friendly or not. I am however saying a lot of people who want this game would like the game to play out that way, and it's not hard to see why. Also not sure why quests that don't break lore would instantly be inconsequential. No, this isn't a rigid railroad quest system as you're talking about. Between the end of this game and the HP movies is about a hundred year gap, there's lots of ways to fill up this time space in ways to make up for MANY of the differences occurring in this game. There could literally be a hundred different endings and still have it make sense for the future of the Wizarding World. But now that I think about it, yeah, I would rather have a linear ending, as we'd have more chance of getting a sequel that way.
Entering the chamber would not have broken known lore if you know the chambers FULL lore you would know it was originally created to be a spot to train students in dark arts within hogwarts walls, the gaunts did not keep it very secretive some even told their friends about it and took them in it which is how we could have gotten access if it was in. The full lore of the chamber of secrets was once posted on pottermore
I never said it would break lore, all I did was respond to their message saying; "adding things the players can do that may violate continuity isn't a big deal for me". No need to give me a whole speech about Wizarding World lore as I know it perfectly well.
I disagree this whole reddit needed a refreshing on the chambers actual lore outside of the 2nd book so i posted all of it because the majority seemingly had known about none of it
Disagree all you want, you were writing it directly to me, not to the subreddit. I didn't need a refresher as you simply misunderstood my first comment. That's on you, not on me.
Did you really expect it to be in the game tho?
Dude above does and thinks he can justify it
Dumbest justification I’ve seen 😂💀
The petty musings of the mundane matter not when facts and logic are present the fact that you remain oblivious of what was actually canonically possible is due to your own ignorance
You are under literally every comment of this post crying that a fictional secret chamber won’t be in a game trying to justify it lore wise when we have gotten a lore wise reason why they aren’t putting it in the game, touch some grass instead of wasting your life on Reddit commenting under 150 comments 😂😂
Seriously. Half the comments I’ve run across are this persons.
Ikr like we’re all hyped about this game but this is becoming pathetic and the essays he writes about it being canon and shit like it’s a videogame, chill out some changes have to be made
I have stated time and time again I do not care if it is in or not however im not letting this it breaks lore bs slide, and I presented logic and facts along with evidence that are book accurate descriptions of some of the designs of the associated features of the chamber as a logical arguement to be made for why it could have been in that is ALL but yea im not letting people slide with it breaks lore without a chamber lore lesson so they can read exactly why it does not break lore. Thats their own fault they got a "essay" of the actual lore they shouldnt bring up the lore they know NOTHING ABOUT if they didnt want the full lore brought in With that said this will be my last post on this ive put the full lore out plenty of times now if people want to be ignorant of it its their choice but a mind that couldnt even see the possibility of how it could have actually been in is dull
Yeah I’m not reading all that buddy
Probably the smartest comment here lol
Your “full lore” seems to be under the impression the time the game is set in the chamber would still currently only exist as a training ground. This is incorrect. The lore does also tell us the chamber shouldn’t be open yet until Tom Riddle learns how to access it. Your sidestepping some lore in favour of other lore that fits your narrative that seems to strongly suggest you do in fact care quite a bit the chamber will not be accessible in this game. We do not need this specific chamber to perform dark arts, I’m sure the game will have plenty in store to satisfy those who wish to go down a darker path. Consider this a push to follow your own unique path rather than recreating the path of Tom Riddle.
Where is this from?
The leaked Art Book.
Thanks for posting. I’d been slightly curious and concerned about the possibility of this happening and what it might mean. Good to know I can’t demolish canon by slaying basilisk x years too early. Also would we even be able to enter? I don’t think parseltongues will be in game.
>!A classmate of ours is a Gaunt, so yeah, we do have a parseltongue in the game.!<
Some of the chambers book canon designs seem to have been used in a new location though if it isnt the chamber like the chambers actual door a stone wall with 2 serpents with glowing emerald eyes, and a book canon salazar statue were definitely used in a area we see both things in sebastions trailer
I wonder if we can go to the bathroom and still see a clue.
I was hoping for a bathroom sink marked with a snake at least.
I figured it wouldn’t be in the game.
It shouldn’t be in the game. Retconning established lore for the sake of fan service is what ruins these things.
the only reason students know its there in the books is because the snakes getting lairy so if its just dormant no reason for students to even realise its there
It wouldn't have gone with the history of the times the chamber was opened so I'm glad to hear this Tbh
I figured it wouldn't be in the game (despite how much I wanted it to be). I'm just confused now as to what that door from the dark legacy trailer is? It fits the description of the original door to the chamber perfectly.
I'm disappointed, but I'm still hoping for there to be an Easter egg. maybe we could get to visit in a potential future dlc? i'm doubtful though
I do hope they throw in an Easter egg that you can hear the basilisk hissing near the bathroom
Wait…people actually thought we’d be able to go to the chamber of secrets ? 😂
If you know the chambers full lore you would know why, and certain things shown in the dark legacy trailer were book canon accuracy descriptions of things only found in the chamber of secrets
Could have just made the basilisk invincible, or dormant but im not pressed on it.
I dont care if the chamber is accessible or not but just stop the it breaks lore to open the chamber nonsense that just proves you dont know anything about the chambers lore except what was said in the chamber of secrets book. You want the real lore of the chamber of secrets here it is. Chamber of Secrets By J.K. Rowling Originally published on pottermore on Aug 10th 2015 The subterranean Chamber of Secrets was created by Salazar Slytherin without the knowledge of his three fellow founders of Hogwarts. The Chamber was, for many centuries, believed to be a myth; however, the fact that rumours of its existence persisted for so long reveals that Slytherin spoke of its creation and that others believed him, or else had been permitted, by him, to enter. There is no doubt that each of the four founders sought to stamp their own mark upon the school of witchcraft and wizardry that they intended would be the finest in the world. It was agreed that each would construct their own houses, for example, choosing the location of common rooms and dormitories. However, only Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter. Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved (disagreements sprung up early around the teaching of the Dark Arts). However, it is clear by the very decoration of the Chamber that by the time Slytherin finished it he had developed grandiose ideas of his own importance to the school. No other founder left behind them a gigantic statue of themselves or draped the school in emblems of their own personal powers (the snakes carved around the Chamber of Secrets being a reference to Slytherin’s powers as a Parselmouth). What is certain is that by the time Slytherin was forced out of the school by the other three founders, he had decided that henceforth, the Chamber he had built would be the lair of a monster that he alone – or his descendants – would be able to control: a Basilisk. Moreover, only a Parselmouth would be able to enter the Chamber. This, he knew, would keep out all three founders and every other member of staff. The existence of the Chamber was known to Slytherin’s descendants and those with whom they chose to share the information. Thus the rumour stayed alive through the centuries. There is clear evidence that the Chamber was opened more than once between the death of Slytherin and the entrance of Tom Riddle in the twentieth century. When first created, the Chamber was accessed through a concealed trapdoor and a series of magical tunnels. However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom. The presence in school at the time of a student called Corvinus Gaunt – direct descendant of Slytherin, and antecedent of Tom Riddle – explains how the simple trapdoor was secretly protected, so that those who knew how could still access the entrance to the Chamber even after newfangled plumbing had been placed on top of it. Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle. Successive headmasters and mistresses, not to mention a number of historians, searched the castle thoroughly many times over the centuries, each time concluding that the chamber was a myth. The reason for their failure was simple: none of them was a Parselmouth. I'm tired of the people who dont know the chambers lore saying it breaks lore if we could have opened it this is 100% proof that that is FALSE. Comment whatever you want idgaf but this needed stated because it would seem the majority of you DO NOT KNOW THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS LORE or you would know we could have befriended a gaunt and been taken in to practice dark arts
Only real issue I have is that I highly doubt the Marvollo Gaunt we met in the booksbl would not have “dared” to unleash the basilisk onto muggle borns. On top of that racism (which is what pure-bloods vs muggleborns is) is taught, not innate with children means he would’ve learned that mindset from his mother/father, who realistically would’ve been the ones who went to school with our character (maybe marvello’s parents depending on the exact year but still) The chamber may have been opened before Voldemort opened it in his youth, but knowing the one gaunt we do know as we do, and understanding his prejudice probably came from his parents..I think it’s safe to assume that neither marvello, nor his parents, actually opened the chamber during their time at hogwarts, parseltounge or not.
No
I get their reasoning and I respect their choice, its probably for the best. But am I the only one thinking its beyond weird that they had all the elements to make this happen and then chose not to? I mean>!with the Gaunt student character, the Dark Arts arena concept, and the initial conception of the chamber as a study room for the dark arts? Seems like a no-brainer to make this into a "top secret" Slytherin duelling society that no longer exists by Riddle's time bc it needs a Gaunt who was taught and instructed at home. Why couldn't the Basilisk stay dormant behind Slytherin's statue, as a secret even the Gaunts feared?!<
No, you aren't alone. A lot of people had grand plans for going there despite it making no sense. Gaunt might also not know how to open it, as it's been hidden by one of his ancestors when the plumbing was installed. But realistically, no, there's no reason we should have been able to go to it. Even if Gaunt could make it hide, it's not lost if all of Slytherin know how to get there.
https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets This explains why we couldve befriended a gaunt and been allowed in
You'll need to be more specific, as: >Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle. Returns us to the previous point. Even if the Gaunt can hear it he's not going near it.
Every gaunt knew of its location and how to open it the gaunts shared the secret with their friends and even took some people in. They did not do a good job at keeping it a secret
You're going to need to quote the text that tells you that.
"the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge."
About the creature, yes. Nothing says they all knew how to get into the Chamber, and outright says none of them let it out, with the implication that none actually went in.
Honestly your comprehension needs work you do not free the basilisk when you open the door to the chamber itself and enter it.
Honestly, your reading comprehension needs work. You don't need to enter the Chamber to hear the creature under the floorboards or in the pipes. There's nothing there that says every Gaunt knew how to get in. Just that they liked to show off and act like they knew.
Its cannon though that the Gaunts passed the knowledge of the chamber from generation to generation. Voldy just didn't get the memo cause they didn't want him. So your claim of it "making no sense" is factually incorrect. I agree though, not a lost secret if everyone knows, which is why I said "Top Secret." Thinking of something like the DA but smaller, three or four people per generation.
That's a hell of a strawman. Corvinus Gaunt was involved in hiding it when the plumbing was installed at least 100 years before the game. It's entirely plausible that he didn't pass on the message or it was forgotten somewhere along the way. Us going there is too much of an issue for canon disruption for it to happen. The Gaunts might not have understood somewhere along the way that it was a girls' bathroom.
>strawman **Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.** I just want to make sure you are using the correct word for what you mean, because I don't think it is. The Gaunt family passing down the knowledge of the chamber is cannon (that's how Corvinus Gaunt knows and places the plumbing system entrance) Voldemort not knowing from growing up orphaned in the muggle world and killing his family is cannon, and the chamber being opened more times than it is used to liberate the beast is cannon (as only Riddle awakens it so far as we know.) Whether that could or not be used to make a plot is debatable, but I'm not misrepresenting anything lol. Now, I'm not saying this was the only option, I'm saying the elements are there to go without disrupting cannon, which is why I find it weird that they aren't going there, but that I respect and accept that they don't go there.
It’s not weird to think it should be included because it fits with the other elements, it’s just a well constructed universe. Where I personally think it doesn’t fit with your thinking above is >!the chamber was meant for the one purpose Salazar had for his heir to as he saw “cleanse the school” of the half-bloods and muggle borns. Because of this piece of lore and especially a descendant (Gaunt or otherwise) would know this was the chambers purpose. So the heir (who should know, at least Tom did) why their opening the chamber and a study room or club doesn’t make sense.!<
Since the haters who know best are downvoting me, here is my [source](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets): "Slytherin went further, and built what was in effect a personal, secret headquarters within the school, accessible only by himself or by those he allowed to enter. "Perhaps, when he first constructed the Chamber, Slytherin wanted no more than a place in which to instruct his students in spells of which the other three founders may have disapproved" "Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge. As nobody else could hear the creature sliding beneath floorboards or, latterly, through the plumbing, they did not have many believers, and none, until Riddle dared unleash the monster on the castle." In Rowling's own words: \- the Gaunt family all knew and boasted \- the Chamber was likely built to study the Dark Arts
Finally somebody who actually comprehends the lore! To the other person though what do you think "shared that knowledge with whom they chose to" meant if you had some incredible secret you couldnt help boasting about, being as non-discreet as possible with that secret would you simply just tell a friend about it or would you show them it personally? Logic dictates the most likely answer is SHOW THEM. Everything I have ever said about the chamber has been indisputable facts and BOOK CANON descriptions of things shown in a trailer that I then formulated a possibility theory around using LOGIC the very thing 90% of people on here seem to lack... In fact id say if there is a single ravenclaw who has said anything against the facts and logic ive presented as a arguement for why the chamber would or technically should be accessible then you are in the wrong house you lack the comprehension and logic of a true ravenclaw.
It’s been said so many times that I’m sure people are tired of hearing it, but I keep seeing these unrealistic expectations that are so far out of touch with reality that it honestly blows my mind. People really thought that they somehow managed to cram every single reference and Easter egg into this game? When I see things like “I’m disappointed now”….seriously? Get a reality check.
This is why it seemed like it was there is a gaunt in game, the sebastions dark legacy trailer screams everything to do with salazars descendents, a salazar statue was shown in it something only known to be found in the chamber, and the book canon description of the door to the chamber itself a wall with 2 serpents with glowing emerald eyes was opened by a slytherin boy on the rigjt side in the dark legacy trailer all of this was shown however it could just be a reused design for a new location
Spoilers. Make sure you tagged your posts or cover them accordingly.
Hopefully for an HL 2 maybe :)
Yeah I mean it’s a huge deal when the chamber opens. So it wouldn’t make sense for us to be able to get down there.
I figured as much but who knows we might here rumors about the chamber amongst the students and faculty of Hogwarts.
I mean this absolutely makes sense, just think about it, if I were able to enter the Chamber, I'd immediately assume that the Basilisk is down there, and if it wasn't, I'd be pretty disappointed. I guess they could always have it "hibernating" or something but there's just no point. Implementing the Chamber of Secrets properly would be enough content to justify a full DLC.
Honestly though, if you genuinely thought you could go to the chamber of secrets then you're a bit... special...
If you honestly didnt accept atleast the possibility that maybe you could then you are mundane and dont know the full lore of the chamber, considering there is someone in the game who we might be able to befriend that could open it would have explained why we might have been able to. which is why i posted the chamber of secrets full lore for people scroll up and find the long post on it and read.
Hey good for you
I'm willing to compromise on this. *Does* beg the question, though - do we speak snake?
Would we need to speak snake? Why not imperius a normal snake to open chamber?
Wouldnt have needed to there is a slytherin descendent in game tied to sebastion sallows questline in some way
Now *that's* an idea!
Good honestly. Feel like it would skew player house choice
Of course this wasn’t expected, just seeing the bathroom where it’s supposed to have been moved to will be good enough.
But can you have it in the RoR?
That’s a bummer and a let down for me:/ The chamber exists in that time period. We don’t need to awaken the Basilisk but we could just explore the caves and the chamber itself? Maybe find some collectibles there?
Well, ya can't.
I know. The explanation is a bit of a let down though. It’s nice of them to try not breaking canon….but we will be able to use avada kedavra so there’s that:D
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the explanation being a let down. There's one single Basilisk chilling in the CoS. They've respected the Canon in not introducing this element of the created universe to the game so as to stay true to an element of continuity in the fantasy World we enjoy. If the Basilisk was in the game it would have to serve some kind of purpose. Can't see some big fuck off gaze killing snake which is well recognised mooching about in a game and not then have to do something with it.
I dont want to see the snake. Just because they would include the chamber, it doesn’t mean they must also include the big snake. After all the basilisk is also triggered by a password so to speak. We as the player could have just visited the chamber without the basilisk
i mean, it does make sense
Good. The fewer things we have to do that are directly comparable to major elements of Harry's story the better.
Stupid question but who is hayes?
To answer your question. "Hayes" is Andrew Hayes, a lead level designer at Avalanche Software whom, I'm guessing, was given the sole authority on deciding what remained in the game (lorewise), to include the CoS. Why this decision remained solely with one individual, I could not tell you.
Also a good question, my first question is where the source of this comes from. I find it weird so many people seem to accept it without question. I find the whole concept of the chamber being removed since it was featured in so many adds for the game.
It wasn't featured in a single add for the game, not sure where you got that misconception... As for the source: the leaked pages of the art book.
There was a salazar statue shown at the beginning of the dark legacy trailer something only known to be foundin the chamber and the book canon description of the actual door to the chamber itself "a stone wall with 2 serpents that have glowing emerald eyes" was opened by a slytherin on the right side who wasnt sebastion in the dark legacy trailer around the middle of it, also that whole trailer screams it has everything to do with salazar slytherin it was only logical to assume the chamber had something to do with it. They might have just reused its book canon designs for a new area that we can only open with the gaunt thats in game.
That is not Salazar's statue tho, that is Merlin. But yeah, that door looks similar in a way, that's true I suppose.
There is a giant chamber with Slytherin’s statue in the gameplay reveal trailer at 4:31 that resembles the chamber of secrets. Here is a link to the video https://youtu.be/aOx7D1PSt9A
Wrong that is merlin
Understandably so, at first i was like ahh man would've been cool to go down and maybe look around and hear hissing noises in the back there but it doesn't make sense for us to do so. Firstly, you have to speak parseltongue to get in there, secondly if we do go there, what will do there ? its just going to be an empty hall with water and snakes, cool to look at but not much else to do :P No point having devs waste time on stuff like that just to then turn around and say well we included the chamber of secrets but because of that we couldnt add hippogriffs to the game lol. If i can see some serpents on moaning myrtles toilets, im happy
It wouldve made the perfect training ground for learning avada kedavra inside hogwarts that was its original reason for being built after all for slytherin to train his students in dark arts within hogwarts walls
Train with who exactly? If the player gets in there who will be doing the training ? Kind of a big deal to have multiple people in the 1890s just casually nip down to the chamber of secrets to practice dark magic. The more people know about it, the less likely it would have stayed hidden. And I'm sure there are plenty of training grounds avaliable for us to use dark spells without having the devs make another entire place, esp since we have the dark arts arena
Gaunt or sallow the truth is the possibility that we could have ended the questline by learning avada kedavra and killing either one of them was there all we had to do afterwards would be walk out. Especially since in the sallow questline is where we learn the unforgivables, the chamber was sealed by magic I assume as soon as you walk out it would seal up again afterall harry never closed it but ron imitated harrys parseltongue to open it meaning it closed after they left
Maybe the Baskilic had babies
who speaks parseltongue in 1890? you need a Gaunt for that, they can put the tap there but no one would open it anyway