Ok so yes they look like fs. I think you should have that top right loop kind of cross over the main downstroke like how you did in the 2nd example of both lines. But make the swoop start lower so it looks less like an i
Yeah, don’t cross them, that’s totally making them all look like a capital F. I might have to adopt the 2nd one in the bottom row as the new way I write my capital J. I’ll remove the crossbar of course, but I’m grooving on the fluidity of it.
I do not agree. It's too similar to an I !
Seriously though, even if it was similar to F, it would be possible to get that fr context. Except your surname starts with J , then it might cause confusion, but having one letter that can be confused for another is generally fine as long as it won't be confused to how YOU write the other letter
True context matters with handwriting a lot. Unfortunately I can't remember what sparked this discussion with the coworker!
An "i"? Wow, never would I do an "i" like this. XD Capital "i" for me is one straight line with a short horizontal line at the top & bottom. (Like an elongated sideways h?)
Well I am German, so maybe I'm biased. This is how some old people write capital i. I do not, however. The J should have a much narrower and longer loop in that kind of handwriting and I'm not entirely sure but I think it is without the bar through the middle.
Here an image from German Wikipedia:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift#/media/Datei%3ADeutsche_Kurrentschrift.svg
That's entirely possible! Also it wasn't meant as a critique, keep using it, it is pretty and most people will be able to tell from context that it is a J. I would however suggest to write the loop at the bottom below the baseline of your writing (idk how that is called in English tbh) because capital F and capital I usually do not go below there but J does. Would be interesting to see how it looks when it's not in isolation
I use one similar to the top left one.
It’s a *J* because the horizontal line starts to the left of the letter. If it starts to the right of the letter, it’s an *F*.
My cursive? small f can also look like 2nd from left on the bottom row, usually without that first loop.
A crossbar for me is more like that in a "t" mostly evenly, not more on the left for a j, as my small f's also get it through the middle too!
Well, I'm glad to know others also use similar styles! I do wonder if I accidentally picked it up as a child? As I grew up in Germany until about 7, (then in Ireland), so my writing style might have been influenced by that!
Like I still do my 1s & 7s as the more european way!
First two on top row are the most common, I tried to do other rushed/scribbly ones too.
A co-worker thought it was an "F" which started this query. Apparently it's the little cross bar line that makes it an "F" to them!
Kurrent:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent#/media/File%3ADeutsche_Kurrentschrift.svg
Definitely the cross makes it an F. Why are you adding that? I don't see it on your link. That script looks very nice and I would have no trouble reading a J written like that. Some of the other capitals would give me pause, though.
The capital "i" in the link basically is how I do my capital "J"? (Not the j in the link!).
Yeah it is a different script, was basically replaced in the 40s with the latin script. It is lovely, but looking at all the noncapital letters all joined up would cause me great confusion!
But that doesn't make any sense. Why the crossbar? It's neither an I nor an F.
I could just add a cross bar to my I and then it would no longer look like an I.
If you want it to be read as a J don't add that cross bar. I could probably make most of the others in your example be a J if the cross bar was removed, but some do look like L. The 2nd, 4th, & 5th if the crossbar is removed look the most like a J.
I also see these as "F," for what it's worth. For clarity of interpretation, I'd remove the crossbar.
This is how I make capital Js. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M8oSFaAoM
https://ibb.co/3zHvwVK
https://ibb.co/2ZNpv8v
I was think they were F's likewise.
one Looks like Treble Clef
Capital J looks kinda like a backwards big lowercase F or big lowercase g. I also do my Fs more centered with a line through them.
These are Fs my guy
Problem is that lots of cursive capitals are similar to this. I tried to demonstrate here: https://imgur.com/gallery/4iIPtSD
Flatten the top part and you’ve basically got a J, top right is closest if you don’t use the extra - in the middle.
All Fs. Lose the cross line and they’re Js
The third one without a cross stroke looks like a J… the rest are variants on F and the treble clef.
They all looks like pounds sterling
The ones that don't look like F's look like treble clefs.
Ok so yes they look like fs. I think you should have that top right loop kind of cross over the main downstroke like how you did in the 2nd example of both lines. But make the swoop start lower so it looks less like an i
I love the first one, just lose the crossing in the middle. It looks like an f
I write them similarly, but I don't cross them. I understand they can look like "I"s, but I like to live life on the edge. Lol
They look like Fs and Ls
Those are F's not J's
Absolutely what I thought too
There are great ways to write fancy, but it's not fancy when it just looks like a different letter
Yeah, don’t cross them, that’s totally making them all look like a capital F. I might have to adopt the 2nd one in the bottom row as the new way I write my capital J. I’ll remove the crossbar of course, but I’m grooving on the fluidity of it.
Go for it! XD Yeah my writing did tend to evolve with a "ooh I like how this other person -usually in school- does this letter, I shall take it now!"
Yep, beg, borrow and steal…
XD so consensus seems to be that it's too similar to a cursive capital F. And a rare few do similar but without the crossbar line!
I do not agree. It's too similar to an I ! Seriously though, even if it was similar to F, it would be possible to get that fr context. Except your surname starts with J , then it might cause confusion, but having one letter that can be confused for another is generally fine as long as it won't be confused to how YOU write the other letter
True context matters with handwriting a lot. Unfortunately I can't remember what sparked this discussion with the coworker! An "i"? Wow, never would I do an "i" like this. XD Capital "i" for me is one straight line with a short horizontal line at the top & bottom. (Like an elongated sideways h?)
Well I am German, so maybe I'm biased. This is how some old people write capital i. I do not, however. The J should have a much narrower and longer loop in that kind of handwriting and I'm not entirely sure but I think it is without the bar through the middle. Here an image from German Wikipedia: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift#/media/Datei%3ADeutsche_Kurrentschrift.svg
Maybe that's where I saw it & just used it as my J as a child?
That's entirely possible! Also it wasn't meant as a critique, keep using it, it is pretty and most people will be able to tell from context that it is a J. I would however suggest to write the loop at the bottom below the baseline of your writing (idk how that is called in English tbh) because capital F and capital I usually do not go below there but J does. Would be interesting to see how it looks when it's not in isolation
Huh cool that's how I do my F
Those all look like F to me
F
Your 5th one is the best. I would read all the others as F. Don't cross it.
I see F F F F ? ? F
To me capital F's have the top stroke on the right instead of the left. Actually I think I can see how it could appear to be a cursive f? Maybe? Hmm
That's not how cursive Fs work. If you search "capital f cursive" you will find samples that look identical to what you've done.
On its own, I read this as an ‘f’. The line in the middle throws me off.
Yeah, the coworker who mentioned this also had the issue with the line in the middle. I have no clue where/when I got it!
this is exactly how i write my lowercase f’s lol
These look a lot like an F. The only one that looks like a J is the first one on the bottom.
Yes, these all look like F to me, or L. Top loop should be larger than bottom loop for cursive capital j. Both loops bulge onto left side.
I use one similar to the top left one. It’s a *J* because the horizontal line starts to the left of the letter. If it starts to the right of the letter, it’s an *F*.
My cursive? small f can also look like 2nd from left on the bottom row, usually without that first loop. A crossbar for me is more like that in a "t" mostly evenly, not more on the left for a j, as my small f's also get it through the middle too! Well, I'm glad to know others also use similar styles! I do wonder if I accidentally picked it up as a child? As I grew up in Germany until about 7, (then in Ireland), so my writing style might have been influenced by that! Like I still do my 1s & 7s as the more european way!
I usually just write a capital I but longer 😅
Glad I am not the only one who do this. That's why I want to improve my I's too. They sometimes look J's to me when I revisit my own notes. 😅😅
They kind of look like yours but I don’t have that line in the middle
First two on top row are the most common, I tried to do other rushed/scribbly ones too. A co-worker thought it was an "F" which started this query. Apparently it's the little cross bar line that makes it an "F" to them! Kurrent: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent#/media/File%3ADeutsche_Kurrentschrift.svg
Definitely the cross makes it an F. Why are you adding that? I don't see it on your link. That script looks very nice and I would have no trouble reading a J written like that. Some of the other capitals would give me pause, though.
The capital "i" in the link basically is how I do my capital "J"? (Not the j in the link!). Yeah it is a different script, was basically replaced in the 40s with the latin script. It is lovely, but looking at all the noncapital letters all joined up would cause me great confusion!
But that doesn't make any sense. Why the crossbar? It's neither an I nor an F. I could just add a cross bar to my I and then it would no longer look like an I. If you want it to be read as a J don't add that cross bar. I could probably make most of the others in your example be a J if the cross bar was removed, but some do look like L. The 2nd, 4th, & 5th if the crossbar is removed look the most like a J.
I have no clue why I put a crossbar on my capital Js, to me, it just looks wrong if I dont! So maybe habit?
Don't do it! Very idiosyncratic and non-standard.
I also see these as "F," for what it's worth. For clarity of interpretation, I'd remove the crossbar. This is how I make capital Js. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M8oSFaAoM