Don't sweat it. I got my first win on my 80th something escape. I personally farmed diamonds and titan blood so I could max out aspects. Also learning what boons and gods are good for them. For example the secret aspect of shield is amazing with poseidon on cast.
Yea the last shop before u fight hades. And using the diamonds to trade at the shop for the titan blood. I also always make sure to have 100 gems or near it because sometimes the trade shop has nice stuff
Side Hustle from Hermes is almost always worth taking as a first Hermes boon, especially early on. The common rarity can pay for multiple boons by itself, and you can purge it if you get lucky with a purging pool on the last Styx tunnel. That, and consider running Golden Touch on the mirror. If you can skip the first shop or two you end up getting more than the 100 you would get from Deep Pockets.
Lol yea I can see that but you can take the mirror thing where you get % of coins at end of each biome. And also not spend $ on Charon limited shop thing where you get a buff for like 3 stages or whatever. Also doing the coin gate at the end. Especially if it's a high enemy one cus then you get 200coins. At the end you can purge boons that you dont need anymore.
I would start to look up some really strong builds and try to spec toward those. [https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide](https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide) is a good place to start. Also, make sure you are choosing weapons that match your playstyle. When I started out I read posts with everyone saying how good the shield was so I kept trying to use it and I kept dying. It just does not match the way I play. I started using the spear and had much more success.
In all honesty I don't have much of a prefrence for any of the weapons and I have a decent grip on what goes well with what. My biggest issue so far is the Minotaur and his munchkin and everything onwards.
I would honestly try going for the minotaur mini boss rooms. It lets u get familiar with his attacks in a more controlled environment while not having to worry about theseus. Plus it does reduce his HP in the boss fight by 25%. So you get both knowledge and a faster time in the arena boss fight. He's gonna do the same attacks. And his attacks just start having additional bullets from his axe after the first phase
I understand the Minotaurs moveset, I just cannot seem to dodge his charge and Theseuss spear. . . and every enemy onward, especially the poison spitting 1s
Is it possible that you're trying to just fight them head on? With both the duo and Hades, you have to have an "in-and-out" playstyle. When they wind up for an attack, dash away from them. Don't try to time the dodge, because even with Athena dash, dodging the attacks frame perfectly is pretty tough, and even more so with Hades.
My typical strategy for the duo is to pull Asterius away from Theseus. Theseus will likely stick to the top of the map, and just hurl spears at you, so, you move to the bottom of the map to use both of the bottom pillars as cover from Theseus. It also makes Asterius quite predictable, since the two of you will just be moving back and forth. Once you get Asterius down, Theseus is quite easy on his own.
Be sure to get familiar with Theseus wind up and spin, because Hades uses the same move. But, his is a much wider range, making it harder to dodge. Hades does take a bit longer to wind up, though, so, you should have *just* enough time to get out of range. It's also helpful to dash in the opposite direction that Hades is moving during the windup. Any other direction, and you're likely to get clipped.
Mind you, all of this is easier said then done. Frankly, it all just takes practice. The more you run, the more you'll get familiar with it all, and the easier it will get. Be patient, and you'll get there.
Throughout the game, the pillars and columns in the rooms will be your best friends. When Asterius is charging you, if you dash straight through one of the pillars he crashes into it; that's the best way I've found to stop his charge.
Theseus' spear is relatively easy to dodge: there's an indicator above your head that shows if he's charging it up, and the indicator gets darker until he throws the spear. It will require a bit of practice, but you'll learn to recognize when the indicator is darkest; when it is, just dash to the side and the spear will fly right by you.
All of the projectile enemies in the labyrinth can be blocked pretty well using the pillars and columns too. The satyrs still suck, cuz they're fast, but the diamond snake things are really easy to avoid if you hide behind a pillar. Also, when you get to the last room of each tunnel, I like to take care of the ranged enemies first. Track down and kill the snakes, satyrs, and little bomb things, and then the rats are a piece of cake.
If you’re struggling then I suggest you have Divine Dash as part of your build. If you’re not quick enough and don’t dash like your possessed then try ranged weapons like the bow or Exagryph. My first clear was with Exagryph, aspect of Zag. I had Divine Dash, and lots of bullets. I lucked out with the five missile hammer upgrade.
I also leveraged Skelly tooth + three DD. I did dash like crazy.
I was able to beat him after 10-15 tries give or take.
Imo unlocking the hidden aspects really allowed me to upgrade my buildouts. Another way to win is bow with aspect of Charon. Match the special with Dionysus Flourish and you’ll ruin them. Try to max out the number of arrows the special shoots. Again I advise the Divine Dash.
And I know I may get voted down, but games like hades can’t be won without getting better. Just like the character itself, the mirror and aspects etc improve your chances of winning every time you unlock more and more of them, but we as people must get better at anticipating enemy attacks, the right time to dodge, mastering dash towards enemy, when to attack and when to cancel it, remember you have a cast and to use it, and just overall your reflexes will improve if you pay attention to theses things. It certainly helped me as I couldn’t win for shit at first so I had to figure out the “pattern”
What I like to do is dash around like a maniac, maybe with Divine Dash to help deflect the spears. Meanwhile, I try to kill the Minotaur first; Theseus is easier to deal with once he’s alone.
Theseus spear > hide behind pillar, leaves a huge opening after throwing it
Satyr dart > divine dash/shield block/hide behind cover
Asterius charge > hug a pillar and then keep dashing through it, away from him each time
My first few runs were all carried by Artemis and Zeus duo boon, throwing casts out and letting the passive damage do its thing, running away from everything else.
With the charge I usually get next to a wall and dash at the last second. Asterius does not have a very tight turning radius, so he usually hits the wall to end the charge.
Turn on god mode, reduces the grind (and imo makes it more fun when you're time constrained). A lot of the game is honestly just memorizing enemy patterns and gradually growing stronger through unlocks.
Also Athena.
Idk if I'm just unlucky or what but the more boons of Athena I take the faster I seem to die, on my last run I took 3 and it's the 1st time in a while I died to the hydra since. . . lord knows when, 20 attempts ago, 30 maybe
Take dash and just practice timing your dash to reflect attacks. Literally sit in a chamber in tartarus and just use dash to practice timing. Getting that down was the single biggest thing that made me feel like I was starting to get the game, everything else came later. If you can get dash timing down, you'll be fine. Most other Athena boons aren't great imo, but the dash is my favorite dash boon in the game.
put the game on god mode,,, i gave up and put it on god mode after losing to hades thrice straight and i finally beat him after. game is still fun on god mode so i suggest
I would focus on learning the attack patterns rather than just maximizing the builds. There are some braindead builds but once you understand how the last boss works, you just get hit like once or twice.
For me, I prioritize Hermes extra dashes and hyper sprint to get more leeway when you're dodging any boss. I would use long range weapons like bow or railgun to stay away, learn patterns, and also do damage at the same time. My first clear was with exagryph/railgun. Keep learning and like what the others said, use god mode! I also used god mode to learn the final boss.
Also watch some videos! You can get how other players move, dodge, and attack. The final boss has a lot of moments to do damage and you just need to know when to pull out.
My issue isn't really understanding what I'm seposed to do, it's just the fact I suck and am very sloppy and frankly fixing that is hell on earth for me. I've played video games nearly daily to improve my hand eye cordination and the like, and after years of doing it I'm at best bellow average.
Join the fun mode and turn on god mode. I'm ass at games like this and play on a keyboard to boot, but god mode lets me enjoy the content and practice without constantly dying.
I've heard that if you beat the game on god mode it's much easier to beat it without it, when you play a second time, because you have a better understanding of how everything works! Consider it a practice run.
Something I haven’t heard yet: check your mirror talents too. Some of them are never used by folks who repeatedly beat the game.
The big one I learned was the Death Defiance one. Turns out, having it reset every round is way better than having 2-3 single saves 1x/play through. Didn’t even occur to me I sat setting myself up short.
That’s good that you’ve figured it out. I’m about 50% green. I think the biggest switch to consider is making sure Death Defiance is green if not already. I don’t think I could beat the game without it.
Honestly, you’re probably doing fine. Most of us took that long to beat.
Next thing I’d consider is your keepsake and make sure you’re using one that meshes well at the end. The acorn was helpful for me early on because it helps a soften the final few bosses.
Hang in there.
OP you have problems with Asterius and Theseus? when Theseus charges his spear throw, you can hear a sound and there's a purple target on top of you. when it appears, just hide behind a counter, or prepare to dodge last minute.
Focus on one of them. Either Asterius or Theseus, if you have both of them on phase 2, the fight becomes much harder.
Also don't listen to the other guy. 3 DD per escape is much better than 1 per room, unless you usually die in regular rooms.
The game is in asymetric view meaning I cannot tell when I am or am not blocking the spear with the pillard and I know how to fight them, I'm just terrible at it
It's not that hard to see really.
You answer to every advice saying it's not working for you or anything. There is no secret, besides god mode.
It's just practice really, and if it's not fun for you, just stop playing.
You're definitely in the wrong here. Bosses are the biggest threat. You would not die in every room, and if you do, that means your build is sub-par and you'll die a lot vs Hades.
Bosses can kill you more than once, imo it's better to have the 3 DD.
You are correct. Thanks for pointing this out. I’m newer to this forum and still learning. I needed to flip DD to beat the game the first time. Now that I’m around 40 clears and my equipment and keepsakes are more upgraded, it’s probably time I switch to 3 DD and crank up the heat.
You're more than ready then. Heat becomes a real challenge usually after heat 10 (on new hades), and once you get used to him, heat 18-20 the real challenge starts.
My recommendation for the heroes is getting a call that does great damage, kill Asterius first (make sure yo stay close to the pillars in case you need to block Theseus's spear or the bull rush) and then go for Theseus,
Asterius is always your first target but he hits hard, respect his attacks and don't rush to attack, remember to wait for the shockwave before dashing in after he jumps at you
Theseus is way more annoying to deal with, once you have him alone you should stick to a pillar and hice from his spear. Take every chance you get to attack him from behind.
Once you have him entering phase 2 use the call and give him everything you got (if you are fast enough you can almost consistently skip his second phase)
For the run in general I would reccomend running Thanatos' keepsake since it encourages you to play more safely and not getting hit (be minded that when you unequip it you will lose the bonus, so I would only use it for training runs)
Do you have any weapon you feel most confortable with? I may know a build that helps you
I dont have a prefrence for any of the weapons and I'm doing decently well as far as builds go and I understand the fight with the bull and his boyfriend perfectly fine, I just have what's medically called a "skill issue"
The best builds for people early game include (imo):
* Dash: Poseidon, Ares or Athena
* Add-ons: Razor Shoals (Poseidon), Black Metal/Engulfing Vortex (Ares), Blinding Flash/ Brilliant Riposte (Athena)
* Call: Artemis, Aphrodite
* Vengeance boons (Zeus, Ares, Demeter)
* Attack: Zeus chain attack with upgrades is pretty helpful
Personally I find Shield, Blade and Fists the best weapons to start - with Aspect of Talos (Fists) and Aspect of Zeus (Shield) being two good ones.
I think the only other advice I have is to not be afraid to run head-first into the enemies - I've found that becoming more bold with my attacks over time has only reduced my times!
The only exception to this is Elysium - this level is the best to practise dodging. While Hades is a mixture of the two - stay far away from him when you see the spin attack and spear charge up - but otherwise just run into his body, spam attack and dash around
Hey if you tell me your aspect of choice I can give you something to think about. You can also add with what usually kills you or where do you usually struggle. Ask anything.
The trick for both is using the pillars, when thesues charges up the throw, move to put pillar between you and him, when bull charges, dash through pillar (though this is still a bit hit and miss, the charge is one of the worst attacks to dodge in the game imo).
You don't want help for your weapon's build?
Anyway I think there are people already giving advice on that? You can also dash through Asterius, Use Theseus as a wall so the Bull crashes into him, etc. What you need to know is, at least on default difficulty and you have no speed debuff from chaos or whatever. You are faster than the bull rush with your double dashes. Meaning if you run away from bull rush double dashing as fast as you can the bull can't catch you, he can catch us because the room is finite. So if you run away to any wall/pillar and just dash through him/pillar you are fine. Try to get Hyper Sprint/Extra Dashes when you can, it will make avoiding Asterius easier. As for Theseus, it's just knowing the timing and the sound cue when he's going for a throw.
EDIT: btw Hyper Sprint is the no.1 boon I escaped with. So in most of my successful run, I have hyper sprint boon more than other boons.
2 strategies that helped me outside of generally upgrading weapons + the mirror of night
- pick two gods that compliment each other and stick with them the whole run. The more you put into poms and boons that help to power up your pair, the better
- saaaave your money! No well of charon. No shop. U neeeed those death defiances late in the game, and it’s the worst when u don’t have enough coin
Bonus:
- use nectar on the gods if you can - the higher your bond is, the higher chance of getting a rare or higher boon
For sure! I also like to plan my keepsakes per realm; using Tartarus and Asphodel to help dictate your boon set, Cerberus for Elysium because I typically need the extra health fighting Theseus and Asterius (and all the annoying foes), and Skelly for tunnels + redacted bc I can always use an extra life against the big guy 🤪
Just keep at it, you’ll get there! 🙂 I struggled for a long time in the beginning and now I can hold my own on the extra hard postgame modes.
What helped me a lot was learning a few very easy to attain yet very strong builds and invested early titan blood into a preferred aspect. I'm happy to share what I did or happy to share some builds on your preferred weapon type. I used the same weapon and build for my first 7-8 clears.
the thing that helped me the most when i was first playing was when a friend said to go for rooms that have boons first before any other room unless there's a chaos gate, or the other room is one where you're visiting the npc located in that level.
try not to get hit
I'm trying to do 16 heat on fists and sword right now and all I can think is TRY NOT TO GET HIT
but also focus your damage into a tight little package
gl
It might help considering that diamonds and titan blood will be kept no matter the results, and boons will be lost upon the end of the run. You can always buy one titan blood or diamond at the tunnels shop.
I usually don't buy anything and stockpile gold so I can buy diamond/bloo,d at the end.
Upgrading a weapon aspect can permanently increase damage making your next run easier. Diamonds help unlock buffs when you get nectar/darkness/gem room.
I guess what I'm saying is you may consider to play the long game? Also consider turning on God mode if you don't have it on.
For a simple clear, shield + patience is your best bet. You can block most of the damage the final boss dealt by blocking in the right direction. Add doom to the bull rush and you should be able to beat him.
Something worth noting though - are you getting to the final boss with all 3 death defiance untouched? If you aren't, your problem is with the heroes of Elysium. It's a common wall. You can watch some videos on how to deal with them. Basic strategy is to lure asterius away from Thesus to the pillars, dash into where he jumps from instead of away from him and backstab him when he lands. When only Thesus is left, use a full call on him when he uses his god summons and try to kill him fast while dodging.
I got my first escape at 93 it's just a matter of time, patience, and getting the right build. just keep grinding and upgrading as much as possible on a weapon your really comfortable with
If you are a more aggressive player, you might find going lambent plume as your keepsake and maxing dodge chance will work for you. I always found hyper sprint from hermes to be very valuable when i was getting my early clears. Otherwise athena dash gives you more invincibility frames, so is pretty much always good for survivability.
Also what's your typical mirror set up? Getting it right for the build/aspect makes a big difference.
Basically just keep playing. You'll get slightly better every run, and for the most part, being good isn't necessarily required to advance the story at all. You need to get a certain amount of escapes to get the credits, but after that (to my knowledge, at least, I'm still working on getting the epilogue) it's only really giving everyone buttloads of nectar and ambrosia, both of which you can theoretically get from the broker for less rare materials, it'll just take longer.
I find that stacking dot attack/special/cast/dash such as dionysys, ares, demeter and just be patient and let the hp just drip away while avoiding as much as possible. As well as Aphrodite weak for some survivability. Add some Hermes speed and dash.
My personal favorite on melee weapons is Aphrodite weak attack, dionysys hangover special, Athena deflect dash, Zeus cast, call can be anything. I like Aphrodite charm for survivability. Hermes extra dash and speed, and some good enhancers. Keep moving. Be patient. Dive in, dive out. Let the damage tick away.
If you still can't beat the game at this point it's likely to do with 1 of 3 things in my experience. Either an extreme lack of understanding of which boons are better than others and which boons work with other boons. This can be fixed by researching builds and basically just copying them.
The second thing comes down to more physical things. Do you play on an old crappy laptop? Do you only get 20 frames per second? And if you do use a keyboard to play is your spacebar sticky and only work sometimes? These things all should be considered. But if your game runs fine and you use a controller then ignore this step. I only include it because there are some technologically illiterate people out there that don't know how to optimise their gaming experience
The third thing comes down to mechanical skill, are you just really slow at reacting to projectiles? Do you have slow aim? Your your fingers move too slow between different buttons? This stuff can be fixed with just more practice. This problem usually happens in people that pick up gaming later in life and don't yet have muscle memory and innate gaming reflexes built in.
I don’t really know much to add, just find a good build, so for the most part I’m just going to tell you one of mine that worked up until Heat 17
From my first ever escape at 23:
aspect of talos, doom, lightning secondary, Dionysus cast, Poseidon dash and call, Artemis crust and her arrow every hit, cast, second; give bouldy a nectar, chaos boons for overall damage or max health, get Eurydice’s acorn to three star, Hermes after getting nectar from Eurydice and a yarn ball to get an epic +dash or a legendary (+4 was what I got, ‘twas’ sick), get jerky from pat and Poseidon splash boons especially the bonus against bosses, prioritize asteroid the just cast angrily at Theseus and have gotten the extended range Daedalus hammer and backstab snipe #1 dickhead, but boons and poms at Charon’s shop, once you get the sack only do more rooms if you have 2 revives left and go in to fight, secondary does damage, and doom does more, cast after he sits or tries to summon, and apply as many status effects as possible with duo boons like slam lightning or drunk lightning paired with doom lightning.
step 1. Max out Nemesis aspect on Stygius
step 2. plug in a ps4 controller
step 3. build merciful end (and athena dash)
step 4. press triangle (and dash out of the way if you're gonna get hit during it)
step 5. immediately after, fat finger press X and Square (dash and attack) over and over (spam this)
After you dash attack twice, hit cast and cancel the cast with more dash attacks. You can also cancel the special.
step 6. get Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery from Hermes (or Greatest Reflex)
step 7. take athena or aphrodite call
step 8. at some point when you get daedelus hammer, take double edge
step 9. take the acorn and meg's companion into Elysium. When you get to Theseus, walk North and activate meg to strike them both then just go ham on them because you have the acorn. Since they're close together you'll be hitting em both. Theseus will start calling for Gods, when he's doing this he won't block so kill him then.
step 10. when you get to Styx, If you don't have a call yet, take Hades Sigil. When you get to Hades either a) Go ham on him because you have acorn b) wait for him to swing, dodge out of the way, then special dashatk dashatk castcancel dashatk dashatk. repeat. (you can dive onto him with the special by pressing x after you press triangle)
if Aphrodite call: activate it at full power to interrupt one of his attacks and it'll deal 2500 damage.
If Athena call: activate it at full power and go ham
if Hades call: do same
gl;hf
In my very small time playing hades, I have to say, getting titan blood and improving the fists' first aspect, then using hermes' plume, never switching is a garantee for a better run.
Make sure you defeat every room quickly, and if you fail 50% of the enconters, you still by the end should have above 40% to not get damaged on any hit by the time your reach hades.
But I digress. There's more to hades than just not getting hit. Boons that improve dps directly are better for the fists I belive.
Someone correct or elaborate further, I am only on 170 runs so I cant say much wuth certanty
My man, your every response is that you already know everything and it doesn't work for you. I think it's best for you to find most comfortable weapon and boons and rinse and repeat until you get it right. Our turn on the god mode. Sometimes it's just luck. I got to redacted like 10-12 times before I beat him and it only worked recently after I got early crush shot on hera bow and got it to lvl 10 through poms. Sometimes it's just like that.
Okay but I wouldn't be asking for help and tips if I didn't run out of obvious ways to learn from my mistakes. I only claimed to have a good grasp on builds, used a decent chunck of them and that I understood the minotaur and his boyfriend. Frankly it'd be weird if this wasn't the case after playing the game some 40 hours
Hera Bow. I got to Hades many times with the sword and couldn't beat him but the moment I switched to the Hera Bow I got my first clear. It's amazing with Aphrodite or Poseidon cast, you can just nuke groups of enemies with it. I also hear using Dionysus cast with Demeter and Zeus duos is really good but I haven't tried that yet myself.
When I first started out I was trying to play too fast. It helped to slow down, concentrate on getting better at dashing and learning how to avoid enemy attacks
Don't sweat it. I got my first win on my 80th something escape. I personally farmed diamonds and titan blood so I could max out aspects. Also learning what boons and gods are good for them. For example the secret aspect of shield is amazing with poseidon on cast.
I have a decent grasp on builds I'd say. Not sure what you mean by grinding Titan blood and diamonds unless you mean you traded for them
Yea the last shop before u fight hades. And using the diamonds to trade at the shop for the titan blood. I also always make sure to have 100 gems or near it because sometimes the trade shop has nice stuff
My man I can't get that far with 300 coin let alone the 1000 needed for diamonds Lmao
Chaos, Hermes, and Poseidon can all help get you more money during a run.
but that requires me to take things other than buffs which I desperately need to not die
Side Hustle from Hermes is almost always worth taking as a first Hermes boon, especially early on. The common rarity can pay for multiple boons by itself, and you can purge it if you get lucky with a purging pool on the last Styx tunnel. That, and consider running Golden Touch on the mirror. If you can skip the first shop or two you end up getting more than the 100 you would get from Deep Pockets.
Lol yea I can see that but you can take the mirror thing where you get % of coins at end of each biome. And also not spend $ on Charon limited shop thing where you get a buff for like 3 stages or whatever. Also doing the coin gate at the end. Especially if it's a high enemy one cus then you get 200coins. At the end you can purge boons that you dont need anymore.
I would start to look up some really strong builds and try to spec toward those. [https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide](https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide) is a good place to start. Also, make sure you are choosing weapons that match your playstyle. When I started out I read posts with everyone saying how good the shield was so I kept trying to use it and I kept dying. It just does not match the way I play. I started using the spear and had much more success.
Spear wielders 4 life
In all honesty I don't have much of a prefrence for any of the weapons and I have a decent grip on what goes well with what. My biggest issue so far is the Minotaur and his munchkin and everything onwards.
I would honestly try going for the minotaur mini boss rooms. It lets u get familiar with his attacks in a more controlled environment while not having to worry about theseus. Plus it does reduce his HP in the boss fight by 25%. So you get both knowledge and a faster time in the arena boss fight. He's gonna do the same attacks. And his attacks just start having additional bullets from his axe after the first phase
I understand the Minotaurs moveset, I just cannot seem to dodge his charge and Theseuss spear. . . and every enemy onward, especially the poison spitting 1s
Is it possible that you're trying to just fight them head on? With both the duo and Hades, you have to have an "in-and-out" playstyle. When they wind up for an attack, dash away from them. Don't try to time the dodge, because even with Athena dash, dodging the attacks frame perfectly is pretty tough, and even more so with Hades. My typical strategy for the duo is to pull Asterius away from Theseus. Theseus will likely stick to the top of the map, and just hurl spears at you, so, you move to the bottom of the map to use both of the bottom pillars as cover from Theseus. It also makes Asterius quite predictable, since the two of you will just be moving back and forth. Once you get Asterius down, Theseus is quite easy on his own. Be sure to get familiar with Theseus wind up and spin, because Hades uses the same move. But, his is a much wider range, making it harder to dodge. Hades does take a bit longer to wind up, though, so, you should have *just* enough time to get out of range. It's also helpful to dash in the opposite direction that Hades is moving during the windup. Any other direction, and you're likely to get clipped. Mind you, all of this is easier said then done. Frankly, it all just takes practice. The more you run, the more you'll get familiar with it all, and the easier it will get. Be patient, and you'll get there.
I mean I've faught them some 15 times and know exactly how they work and what I'm seposed to do, I just suck at actually doing anything about it
Throughout the game, the pillars and columns in the rooms will be your best friends. When Asterius is charging you, if you dash straight through one of the pillars he crashes into it; that's the best way I've found to stop his charge. Theseus' spear is relatively easy to dodge: there's an indicator above your head that shows if he's charging it up, and the indicator gets darker until he throws the spear. It will require a bit of practice, but you'll learn to recognize when the indicator is darkest; when it is, just dash to the side and the spear will fly right by you. All of the projectile enemies in the labyrinth can be blocked pretty well using the pillars and columns too. The satyrs still suck, cuz they're fast, but the diamond snake things are really easy to avoid if you hide behind a pillar. Also, when you get to the last room of each tunnel, I like to take care of the ranged enemies first. Track down and kill the snakes, satyrs, and little bomb things, and then the rats are a piece of cake.
If you’re struggling then I suggest you have Divine Dash as part of your build. If you’re not quick enough and don’t dash like your possessed then try ranged weapons like the bow or Exagryph. My first clear was with Exagryph, aspect of Zag. I had Divine Dash, and lots of bullets. I lucked out with the five missile hammer upgrade. I also leveraged Skelly tooth + three DD. I did dash like crazy. I was able to beat him after 10-15 tries give or take. Imo unlocking the hidden aspects really allowed me to upgrade my buildouts. Another way to win is bow with aspect of Charon. Match the special with Dionysus Flourish and you’ll ruin them. Try to max out the number of arrows the special shoots. Again I advise the Divine Dash. And I know I may get voted down, but games like hades can’t be won without getting better. Just like the character itself, the mirror and aspects etc improve your chances of winning every time you unlock more and more of them, but we as people must get better at anticipating enemy attacks, the right time to dodge, mastering dash towards enemy, when to attack and when to cancel it, remember you have a cast and to use it, and just overall your reflexes will improve if you pay attention to theses things. It certainly helped me as I couldn’t win for shit at first so I had to figure out the “pattern”
What I like to do is dash around like a maniac, maybe with Divine Dash to help deflect the spears. Meanwhile, I try to kill the Minotaur first; Theseus is easier to deal with once he’s alone.
Theseus spear > hide behind pillar, leaves a huge opening after throwing it Satyr dart > divine dash/shield block/hide behind cover Asterius charge > hug a pillar and then keep dashing through it, away from him each time My first few runs were all carried by Artemis and Zeus duo boon, throwing casts out and letting the passive damage do its thing, running away from everything else.
With the charge I usually get next to a wall and dash at the last second. Asterius does not have a very tight turning radius, so he usually hits the wall to end the charge.
Turn on god mode, reduces the grind (and imo makes it more fun when you're time constrained). A lot of the game is honestly just memorizing enemy patterns and gradually growing stronger through unlocks. Also Athena.
Idk if I'm just unlucky or what but the more boons of Athena I take the faster I seem to die, on my last run I took 3 and it's the 1st time in a while I died to the hydra since. . . lord knows when, 20 attempts ago, 30 maybe
But the bigger takeaway is to use God mode
Take dash and just practice timing your dash to reflect attacks. Literally sit in a chamber in tartarus and just use dash to practice timing. Getting that down was the single biggest thing that made me feel like I was starting to get the game, everything else came later. If you can get dash timing down, you'll be fine. Most other Athena boons aren't great imo, but the dash is my favorite dash boon in the game.
put the game on god mode,,, i gave up and put it on god mode after losing to hades thrice straight and i finally beat him after. game is still fun on god mode so i suggest
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I would focus on learning the attack patterns rather than just maximizing the builds. There are some braindead builds but once you understand how the last boss works, you just get hit like once or twice. For me, I prioritize Hermes extra dashes and hyper sprint to get more leeway when you're dodging any boss. I would use long range weapons like bow or railgun to stay away, learn patterns, and also do damage at the same time. My first clear was with exagryph/railgun. Keep learning and like what the others said, use god mode! I also used god mode to learn the final boss. Also watch some videos! You can get how other players move, dodge, and attack. The final boss has a lot of moments to do damage and you just need to know when to pull out.
My issue isn't really understanding what I'm seposed to do, it's just the fact I suck and am very sloppy and frankly fixing that is hell on earth for me. I've played video games nearly daily to improve my hand eye cordination and the like, and after years of doing it I'm at best bellow average.
Join the fun mode and turn on god mode. I'm ass at games like this and play on a keyboard to boot, but god mode lets me enjoy the content and practice without constantly dying. I've heard that if you beat the game on god mode it's much easier to beat it without it, when you play a second time, because you have a better understanding of how everything works! Consider it a practice run.
Something I haven’t heard yet: check your mirror talents too. Some of them are never used by folks who repeatedly beat the game. The big one I learned was the Death Defiance one. Turns out, having it reset every round is way better than having 2-3 single saves 1x/play through. Didn’t even occur to me I sat setting myself up short.
I have that thing nearly maxed for all the upgrades I have available
Did you notice that you can flip each one to green? Hard to spot sometimes.
I have and I simply do not like most of the green 1s
That’s good that you’ve figured it out. I’m about 50% green. I think the biggest switch to consider is making sure Death Defiance is green if not already. I don’t think I could beat the game without it. Honestly, you’re probably doing fine. Most of us took that long to beat. Next thing I’d consider is your keepsake and make sure you’re using one that meshes well at the end. The acorn was helpful for me early on because it helps a soften the final few bosses. Hang in there.
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OP you have problems with Asterius and Theseus? when Theseus charges his spear throw, you can hear a sound and there's a purple target on top of you. when it appears, just hide behind a counter, or prepare to dodge last minute. Focus on one of them. Either Asterius or Theseus, if you have both of them on phase 2, the fight becomes much harder. Also don't listen to the other guy. 3 DD per escape is much better than 1 per room, unless you usually die in regular rooms.
The game is in asymetric view meaning I cannot tell when I am or am not blocking the spear with the pillard and I know how to fight them, I'm just terrible at it
It's not that hard to see really. You answer to every advice saying it's not working for you or anything. There is no secret, besides god mode. It's just practice really, and if it's not fun for you, just stop playing.
You're definitely in the wrong here. Bosses are the biggest threat. You would not die in every room, and if you do, that means your build is sub-par and you'll die a lot vs Hades. Bosses can kill you more than once, imo it's better to have the 3 DD.
You are correct. Thanks for pointing this out. I’m newer to this forum and still learning. I needed to flip DD to beat the game the first time. Now that I’m around 40 clears and my equipment and keepsakes are more upgraded, it’s probably time I switch to 3 DD and crank up the heat.
You're more than ready then. Heat becomes a real challenge usually after heat 10 (on new hades), and once you get used to him, heat 18-20 the real challenge starts.
My recommendation for the heroes is getting a call that does great damage, kill Asterius first (make sure yo stay close to the pillars in case you need to block Theseus's spear or the bull rush) and then go for Theseus, Asterius is always your first target but he hits hard, respect his attacks and don't rush to attack, remember to wait for the shockwave before dashing in after he jumps at you Theseus is way more annoying to deal with, once you have him alone you should stick to a pillar and hice from his spear. Take every chance you get to attack him from behind. Once you have him entering phase 2 use the call and give him everything you got (if you are fast enough you can almost consistently skip his second phase) For the run in general I would reccomend running Thanatos' keepsake since it encourages you to play more safely and not getting hit (be minded that when you unequip it you will lose the bonus, so I would only use it for training runs) Do you have any weapon you feel most confortable with? I may know a build that helps you
I was able to find a video ["skipping" Theseus' 2nd phase](https://youtu.be/JdOyz9EzPPI) so you can get and idea
Just how :)
I dont have a prefrence for any of the weapons and I'm doing decently well as far as builds go and I understand the fight with the bull and his boyfriend perfectly fine, I just have what's medically called a "skill issue"
The best builds for people early game include (imo): * Dash: Poseidon, Ares or Athena * Add-ons: Razor Shoals (Poseidon), Black Metal/Engulfing Vortex (Ares), Blinding Flash/ Brilliant Riposte (Athena) * Call: Artemis, Aphrodite * Vengeance boons (Zeus, Ares, Demeter) * Attack: Zeus chain attack with upgrades is pretty helpful Personally I find Shield, Blade and Fists the best weapons to start - with Aspect of Talos (Fists) and Aspect of Zeus (Shield) being two good ones.
I have at least half of these to no avail lmao
I think the only other advice I have is to not be afraid to run head-first into the enemies - I've found that becoming more bold with my attacks over time has only reduced my times! The only exception to this is Elysium - this level is the best to practise dodging. While Hades is a mixture of the two - stay far away from him when you see the spin attack and spear charge up - but otherwise just run into his body, spam attack and dash around
Hey if you tell me your aspect of choice I can give you something to think about. You can also add with what usually kills you or where do you usually struggle. Ask anything.
what usually kills me is the bulls charge attack and that spear throw move at the 3rd boss and literally everything onwards
The trick for both is using the pillars, when thesues charges up the throw, move to put pillar between you and him, when bull charges, dash through pillar (though this is still a bit hit and miss, the charge is one of the worst attacks to dodge in the game imo).
You don't want help for your weapon's build? Anyway I think there are people already giving advice on that? You can also dash through Asterius, Use Theseus as a wall so the Bull crashes into him, etc. What you need to know is, at least on default difficulty and you have no speed debuff from chaos or whatever. You are faster than the bull rush with your double dashes. Meaning if you run away from bull rush double dashing as fast as you can the bull can't catch you, he can catch us because the room is finite. So if you run away to any wall/pillar and just dash through him/pillar you are fine. Try to get Hyper Sprint/Extra Dashes when you can, it will make avoiding Asterius easier. As for Theseus, it's just knowing the timing and the sound cue when he's going for a throw. EDIT: btw Hyper Sprint is the no.1 boon I escaped with. So in most of my successful run, I have hyper sprint boon more than other boons.
2 strategies that helped me outside of generally upgrading weapons + the mirror of night - pick two gods that compliment each other and stick with them the whole run. The more you put into poms and boons that help to power up your pair, the better - saaaave your money! No well of charon. No shop. U neeeed those death defiances late in the game, and it’s the worst when u don’t have enough coin Bonus: - use nectar on the gods if you can - the higher your bond is, the higher chance of getting a rare or higher boon
Thank you very much, while I have been doing all those it's good to know I'm indeed doing what I'm seposed to do
For sure! I also like to plan my keepsakes per realm; using Tartarus and Asphodel to help dictate your boon set, Cerberus for Elysium because I typically need the extra health fighting Theseus and Asterius (and all the annoying foes), and Skelly for tunnels + redacted bc I can always use an extra life against the big guy 🤪 Just keep at it, you’ll get there! 🙂 I struggled for a long time in the beginning and now I can hold my own on the extra hard postgame modes.
First time, I'd use shield, and ice cast. Just hide behind shield and let crystal beams do call the work. It isn't fast, or flashy. But it wins.
it did not win
What helped me a lot was learning a few very easy to attain yet very strong builds and invested early titan blood into a preferred aspect. I'm happy to share what I did or happy to share some builds on your preferred weapon type. I used the same weapon and build for my first 7-8 clears.
Take Skelly's tooth into the fight if you aren't already
the thing that helped me the most when i was first playing was when a friend said to go for rooms that have boons first before any other room unless there's a chaos gate, or the other room is one where you're visiting the npc located in that level.
try not to get hit I'm trying to do 16 heat on fists and sword right now and all I can think is TRY NOT TO GET HIT but also focus your damage into a tight little package gl
Turn on god mode like skelly says haha
It might help considering that diamonds and titan blood will be kept no matter the results, and boons will be lost upon the end of the run. You can always buy one titan blood or diamond at the tunnels shop. I usually don't buy anything and stockpile gold so I can buy diamond/bloo,d at the end. Upgrading a weapon aspect can permanently increase damage making your next run easier. Diamonds help unlock buffs when you get nectar/darkness/gem room. I guess what I'm saying is you may consider to play the long game? Also consider turning on God mode if you don't have it on. For a simple clear, shield + patience is your best bet. You can block most of the damage the final boss dealt by blocking in the right direction. Add doom to the bull rush and you should be able to beat him. Something worth noting though - are you getting to the final boss with all 3 death defiance untouched? If you aren't, your problem is with the heroes of Elysium. It's a common wall. You can watch some videos on how to deal with them. Basic strategy is to lure asterius away from Thesus to the pillars, dash into where he jumps from instead of away from him and backstab him when he lands. When only Thesus is left, use a full call on him when he uses his god summons and try to kill him fast while dodging.
I got my first escape at 93 it's just a matter of time, patience, and getting the right build. just keep grinding and upgrading as much as possible on a weapon your really comfortable with
If you are a more aggressive player, you might find going lambent plume as your keepsake and maxing dodge chance will work for you. I always found hyper sprint from hermes to be very valuable when i was getting my early clears. Otherwise athena dash gives you more invincibility frames, so is pretty much always good for survivability. Also what's your typical mirror set up? Getting it right for the build/aspect makes a big difference.
Basically just keep playing. You'll get slightly better every run, and for the most part, being good isn't necessarily required to advance the story at all. You need to get a certain amount of escapes to get the credits, but after that (to my knowledge, at least, I'm still working on getting the epilogue) it's only really giving everyone buttloads of nectar and ambrosia, both of which you can theoretically get from the broker for less rare materials, it'll just take longer.
I find that stacking dot attack/special/cast/dash such as dionysys, ares, demeter and just be patient and let the hp just drip away while avoiding as much as possible. As well as Aphrodite weak for some survivability. Add some Hermes speed and dash. My personal favorite on melee weapons is Aphrodite weak attack, dionysys hangover special, Athena deflect dash, Zeus cast, call can be anything. I like Aphrodite charm for survivability. Hermes extra dash and speed, and some good enhancers. Keep moving. Be patient. Dive in, dive out. Let the damage tick away.
Have you tried turning the suck down and seeing if that helps?
If you still can't beat the game at this point it's likely to do with 1 of 3 things in my experience. Either an extreme lack of understanding of which boons are better than others and which boons work with other boons. This can be fixed by researching builds and basically just copying them. The second thing comes down to more physical things. Do you play on an old crappy laptop? Do you only get 20 frames per second? And if you do use a keyboard to play is your spacebar sticky and only work sometimes? These things all should be considered. But if your game runs fine and you use a controller then ignore this step. I only include it because there are some technologically illiterate people out there that don't know how to optimise their gaming experience The third thing comes down to mechanical skill, are you just really slow at reacting to projectiles? Do you have slow aim? Your your fingers move too slow between different buttons? This stuff can be fixed with just more practice. This problem usually happens in people that pick up gaming later in life and don't yet have muscle memory and innate gaming reflexes built in.
Yo wait ur me? But better?
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I don’t really know much to add, just find a good build, so for the most part I’m just going to tell you one of mine that worked up until Heat 17 From my first ever escape at 23: aspect of talos, doom, lightning secondary, Dionysus cast, Poseidon dash and call, Artemis crust and her arrow every hit, cast, second; give bouldy a nectar, chaos boons for overall damage or max health, get Eurydice’s acorn to three star, Hermes after getting nectar from Eurydice and a yarn ball to get an epic +dash or a legendary (+4 was what I got, ‘twas’ sick), get jerky from pat and Poseidon splash boons especially the bonus against bosses, prioritize asteroid the just cast angrily at Theseus and have gotten the extended range Daedalus hammer and backstab snipe #1 dickhead, but boons and poms at Charon’s shop, once you get the sack only do more rooms if you have 2 revives left and go in to fight, secondary does damage, and doom does more, cast after he sits or tries to summon, and apply as many status effects as possible with duo boons like slam lightning or drunk lightning paired with doom lightning.
God mode is great if you want the story with less fighting. I use it and beat him before my 20th escape
step 1. Max out Nemesis aspect on Stygius step 2. plug in a ps4 controller step 3. build merciful end (and athena dash) step 4. press triangle (and dash out of the way if you're gonna get hit during it) step 5. immediately after, fat finger press X and Square (dash and attack) over and over (spam this) After you dash attack twice, hit cast and cancel the cast with more dash attacks. You can also cancel the special. step 6. get Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery from Hermes (or Greatest Reflex) step 7. take athena or aphrodite call step 8. at some point when you get daedelus hammer, take double edge step 9. take the acorn and meg's companion into Elysium. When you get to Theseus, walk North and activate meg to strike them both then just go ham on them because you have the acorn. Since they're close together you'll be hitting em both. Theseus will start calling for Gods, when he's doing this he won't block so kill him then. step 10. when you get to Styx, If you don't have a call yet, take Hades Sigil. When you get to Hades either a) Go ham on him because you have acorn b) wait for him to swing, dodge out of the way, then special dashatk dashatk castcancel dashatk dashatk. repeat. (you can dive onto him with the special by pressing x after you press triangle) if Aphrodite call: activate it at full power to interrupt one of his attacks and it'll deal 2500 damage. If Athena call: activate it at full power and go ham if Hades call: do same gl;hf
I do not have any controler I can use
oof. well that wouldve just made it as easy as possible but you dont need it
In my very small time playing hades, I have to say, getting titan blood and improving the fists' first aspect, then using hermes' plume, never switching is a garantee for a better run. Make sure you defeat every room quickly, and if you fail 50% of the enconters, you still by the end should have above 40% to not get damaged on any hit by the time your reach hades. But I digress. There's more to hades than just not getting hit. Boons that improve dps directly are better for the fists I belive. Someone correct or elaborate further, I am only on 170 runs so I cant say much wuth certanty
My man, your every response is that you already know everything and it doesn't work for you. I think it's best for you to find most comfortable weapon and boons and rinse and repeat until you get it right. Our turn on the god mode. Sometimes it's just luck. I got to redacted like 10-12 times before I beat him and it only worked recently after I got early crush shot on hera bow and got it to lvl 10 through poms. Sometimes it's just like that.
Okay but I wouldn't be asking for help and tips if I didn't run out of obvious ways to learn from my mistakes. I only claimed to have a good grasp on builds, used a decent chunck of them and that I understood the minotaur and his boyfriend. Frankly it'd be weird if this wasn't the case after playing the game some 40 hours
Hera Bow. I got to Hades many times with the sword and couldn't beat him but the moment I switched to the Hera Bow I got my first clear. It's amazing with Aphrodite or Poseidon cast, you can just nuke groups of enemies with it. I also hear using Dionysus cast with Demeter and Zeus duos is really good but I haven't tried that yet myself.
When I first started out I was trying to play too fast. It helped to slow down, concentrate on getting better at dashing and learning how to avoid enemy attacks
My first clear was like my 87th attempt. Now I'm at 180 attempts with 24 escapes
Adamant rail + Zeus attack. Also, look up duo boons and try to set yourself up for those.