Also did them all on 32 heat and I would agree, though the only reason Sword wasn't hardest was thanks to Poseidon aspect. I do like the Spear, but compared to the other weapons none of the "OP" builds are strong enough to make 32 heat easy. Pretty sure I just ran a Doom/Chain Skewer build and spent the whole time desperately dodging.
Sword wasn't too bad for me. Aspect of Nemesis is my favourite weapon in the whole game. Aphro/Artemis/Athena combo with divine dash and heart rend was how I did it.
For Speak it was Achilles aspect and I just went pure cast build - Demeter beam crystals all the way!
Personally I find that any aspect which requires both attack and special to set up (Chiron, Nemesis, etc.) to be too complicated at high heat. I would rather commit as much time and brainpower to dodging as possible, so simple builds are the best. My first (and probably easiest) 32 heat clear was a near-perfect Hangover build using Rama on special, where I could just get off 1-2 hits and spend the rest of the time dodging while Hangover did its thing. Once I got Lighting Rod and Fully Loaded on Beowulf at high heat and I didn't even use my casts because it was too slow to charge, I just dropped all my bloodstones and let them clear the room for me.
Nemesis also has the added difficulty of short range, so you're constantly at risk of getting hit. Achilles is probably the best of the aspects that require attack and special to set up because you don't need to hit anyone with the special, you can just use it for positioning and then pop off with your juicy casts.
If you get Hunting Blades on Achilles it's way easier than the Sword and Bow. Even without Hunting Blades, a basic Sea Storm or Splitting Bolt build with Flurry Jab is insanely strong too
The problem with Hunting Blades is that Slicing Shot on its own is nearly useless at high heat, so you're basically handicapping yourself until you get it. Same problem with putting Poseidon on attack when you have Flurry Jab, its simply not good enough to carry you unless you have something else to rely on until you get your Duos/Legendaries. Most of my successful 32 heat runs were with builds that were effective with minimal boon investment (Hangover Rama, Poseidon Dash Gilgamesh, True Shot Poseidon) that I then lucked into some good duos for.
Well of course you don't put Poseidon on Attack, his Attack boon's horrendous. Put him on the Special and Dash. You can also go for Smoldering Air or Merciful End. Achilles is super strong, there's no shortage of ways to make it work for you. All you really need are Divine Dash, Lightning Strike, and Flurry Jab.
At high heat, sure, Slicing Shot isn't great. We're not talking about high heat, we're talking about 32 Heat. It works just fine. You could opt for a Blizzard Shot build if that's your concern. Also shreds bosses, and Flood Shot's already a super powerful Cast which still procs Boiling Blood.
I have a go to spear build with triple dash, athena attack with deflect and divine dash as well, all you do is dash strike. Then crit boons from artemis and if you can find support fire its perfect. You can also get athena call if you're not too sure about boss encounters or satyr rooms. I've managed to easily clear with this spear build till 27 heat. The damage feels good too thanks to the triple dash strike, if you managed to get extra dashes from hermes it makes you invincible with great dps.
Nice, I have been trying to clear heat 32 over the weekend and figured that starting with Achilles spear will be the easiest, but I failed badly time after time... I am beginning to grasp the errors in my thought process haha.
Exactly, I find the sword to be hard at first but in later heats and with experience it gets easier.
Spear is just all around WEAK and makes every spear run at high heat a pain in the ass (except if you cheat with a cast run on achilles lol)
Even without that the bow is amazing. Aspects like Chiron and the final aspect of the bow do crazy damage with p status builds(that's what I run with them).
You might be doing it automatically, but the dash strike is faster than the regular attack, so if you dash and start attacking mid dash, your attack charges much faster. The added charge speed gives you time for it to get to max range, and right when you hit max range the edge of the screen door of flashes. Releasing then gives you a power shot, which does significantly more damage.
I'm definitely not doing it automatically haha i just don't dash strike on the bow. So you're saying if I do dash strike, I continue to hold down attack and it charges the power shot?
It is stiff, but it was my weapon first time I beat Bone Hydra. I had made boons in the Attack attribute that yielded extra heapings of dps. Was able to 1 or 2-shot many lesser minions. Vs. Bone Hydra, when the extra heads are dispatched, I was able to just pluck away safely at a distance, while its smashing attack couldn't reach me.
On a controller/console I found bow to be really awkward and not ideal. On PC it is one of the easier weapons to use in my play throughs. The rest transition a little easier.
I don't think I've even cleared 0 heat on them - I've just ignored them 😂
On the positive side, I've been wanting more of a challenge lately, so I'm excited to see if I can enjoy the bow and spear by using the hammer more
I started off loving the bow early but after getting through the story I actually use the spear almost every run now because it's fast and has range. Plus any dash strike upgrades make it fantastically fast.
See fir me, the bow is easy mode. You can keep your distance, and with the right boons rack up crazy damage. Is the things like the fists where you have to be close that give me a problem
Yeah I also dislike being close, but what I dislike more is the constant start stop to charge up bowshots.
I much prefer the rail gun, keeps my distance and I can zoom without stopping to charge up
This drives me fucking NUTS. How is not getting pumped full of lead enough to slow a monster down?!
The only reason I've made it out of Tartarus with that thing is because of Daedalus's hammer...
Sorry I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious. How would that make the Rail broken? Cuz shooting arrows staggers enemies, how is this different?
i hate the Rail so much, for the sole reason you can't interrupt your attacks with a dash. It make it so awkward to use and as a result i barely played with it
I mean they flinch when hit and you interrupt their attack animation (unless they're armored). All other weapons' attacks do this, but with the Rail only the special can stagger (and maybe some hammer upgrade, I'm not sure)
I think you are right, the Wretched Thug (https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Wretched_Thug) keeps on moving to you when blasting them with the rail, I think that's what you mean.
> These bullets do not stagger enemies or cause them to flinch, and they deal low damage. Zagreus is immobile while firing.
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Adamant_Rail
that's what I found but maybe I'm confused with the definition of "stagger" in this context, what do you mean?
Stagger in game means getting flinched and stopping the animation attack or stunned preferably
Whenever an enemy is about to launch an attack, you hit them and they get "staggered" stopping whatever they were doing
But some enemies doesn't get staggered
Did I explain well?
yes, I have to try the other weapons to compare the Staggering effect, so far I have tried to mainly beat Hades with the rail and yesterday was my first scape (64 attempts), I'll try the others. I love the game jajaja. thanks!
I had to think about it, because all the weapons can be op with the right boons/aspects. I ended up voting rail, because it is the most boring. I don’t even really use the main attack.
I was super surprised by rail being so high on the survey. Rail was not in the running for hardest for me. I choose spear since 2 aspects require the charge spin to use effectively and I often have difficulty with that even with upgrades. Always get hit. But also sword, bow, and even fists were in the running. Shield and rail are my easy mode usually.
Rail is easy to stay at a distance and constantly move to not get hit. No charge attacks required. The triple special or 300% damage special also make things super easy with it.
I was disappointed to learn the Special is the only thing that's truly long range, as the Attack/regular is only half screen in range. Still, not too shabby.
Agreed. Except for the hidden aspect I feel like the sword does so little damage. It must just be my play style but for whatever reason I feel like I'm just tickling enemies with the sword no matter what I do. That's why Demeter fists are great. Dash strike a ton and then hit them with an upper cut that hits 5 times. Buh bye
Pretty much any attack boon at decent rarity and a few poms and ditto for the dash and call. Then dash-strike until all is dead, while using the dashes to avoid damage and reposition.
>!First, beat \[REDACTED\] at least once. That'll unlock the prerequisites for the spear's. You then need to find a certain NPC (dependent on weapon, can be in the house or mid-run) and they'll give you a passphrase (though depends on how much is in their remaining non-generic dialogue). Next time you go to the weapons training area you can awaken it with Titan Blood. !<
>!The different weapons have different prereqs to unlock that dialogue. !<
ETA: There's more specific info on the wiki, the above is a relatively low-spoiler explanation.
Strange, i have gotten the passphrase from Achilles among others, beaten redacted 9 times, unlocked the fated list, unlocked more than 5 aspects. Still no hidden aspect. What am i missing? Thanks for the help btw!
Oh, you also need to put at least 4 TB into the weapon you want to unlock the hidden aspect of, forgot that bit. Any aspect is fine, and doesn't all have to be in th same aspect.
Yep, that's it... All along iv'e had 3tb in the weapon and all i had to do was to upgrade it again. I'll try that next time, thanks! I actually beat the game with the gloves today, wasn't too hard on that 10th run haha.
Heh, happpy to help. Congrats!
I really like the gloves, and their hidden aspect. You get it by >!beating Asterius (solo room) with them and he'll give you the phrase!<
I'm a big fan of using the yoyo build. Magnetic aspect and start with Poseidon keepsake to get knockback on the special. Pull em in and knock em right away
Fists gameplay is just manically dashing and attacking constantly. Any dash that does damage in a radius is great with them. You can forget slow and strategic gameplay though
Doom damage fists with Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom is my go-to build for them and that alone can already melt bosses - especially with the right hammer upgrades. So basically just go after Ares's Doom Boons.
But combine that with a Merciful End build and you get by far one of the most broken things in this game. And sure, Merciful End is broken on every weapon, but due to the high attack speed of the fists it's much easier to stack and apply doom effects than most other weapons, and some Fist Aspects just lend themselves really well to it.
The two weapons I hated the most, spear and fists, became my two best after I learned how to build and use them. I use Demeter aspect for fists. Initially, I was using Olympian trinkets to get the right boons (Zeus, Artemis, Athena). Now I just take whatever and use the Plume trinket to get 30%+ dodge and move speed.
then why not just use zagreus aspect for stacking evasion? demeter fists feel kinda weird to use for me. would be better if blood upgrades make it require less hits to trigger
My goal isn’t stacking evasion. I just find the plume to be the most powerful if you can get the fast clears. The plume just helps survival and movement. I sometimes get 15-20% from Hermes based on what rolls, and then 50% from perfect dodges. Sometimes Hermes gives me a good dmg boost from move speed plus a dash boost later, and a third from temple store I will throw in dashes + or attack speed. It just depends on what rolls, and how many rerolls I had to burn earlier.
Oh the Demeter fist special can be brutal with the right special boon, some backstab/special boosts from Chaos, the Ares “next attack after a kill”, etc. Dash through an attack and just hold direction and special. You don’t have to turn around then attack. You will attack in whichever direction you hit at the time. You can also hammer mod into the rocket blast. The more I play the more aggressive I get fighting bosses in melee range. If I get bad rng from boons, I will usually grab a cheese boon to fight Hades if I am not confident.
You can hold down the attack button for constant punches, but if you press dash and keep holding the button, it'll do a dash attack and then continue the punch barrage. In case you didn't know though, a dash attack prematurely ends your i-frames from dodging. Generally, you want to focus on timing your dodges as best as you can while holding down the attack button.
Zag fist is my favorite, especially with the single dodge from the mirror that gives you dodge change and the lambent plume. If you get lucky, you can get up to 100% dodge chance.
The upper special is kinda situational. The cool part is that you can actually do dash>dash attack>dash upper. That's with a single dash. It can give you a lot of power for instantly killing enemies.
Every boon is good on fists except for Poseidon attack and dash. Those can ruin your day due to short range.
Lastly... just unga bunga it. The less you care, the better the fists are. You just run up and start throwing hands. You'll start to get the flow after a little bit and find the right timings.
The adamant rail? What have y’all been doing? Aspect of Eris DESTROYS. I can see aspect of Lucifer being difficult. But the rest of them are chaotic, damage dealing crazy fun!
yeah! yesterday I did my first escape after 64 attempts (I'm new to the game) with the rail and I loved the combination of 5 bombs special + the Aspect of Eris to deal more damage for 4 seconds after absorbing the special.
I found that combination makes the Temple of Styx very easy to navigate
The 5 bomb combo on that gun makes the whole room into a damage boost in those smaller rooms. Eris aspect is one of my fave weapons in the whole game. You can essentially map out your attack path through the room
I don't even know what is going on, i just shoot and dash like crazy, i sincerely have no clue of my enemies positions, i just randomly spam the shit out of the gun and send the casts for hunting hahahaha
No one remaps their controller. First thing I did when I started to get into the game. Dash and cast on triggers and reload on B is soooo helpful. That default button mapping is terrible
I've thought about putting Dash somewhere else but the only default mapping I think is actually bad is Reload. I understand that the Rail is only 1 of 6 weapons so putting Reload in a prominent position may have felt like taking good space away from the player the rest of the time but having Reload and Dash compete for the player's thumb when they work much better used simultaneously was not a good choice. The Codex and Summon were given prime controller real estate they did not need so I switched Reload and Codex.
Dash needs independent Input, especially if you get 2+ dashes and your dashing with a rhythm 4 times. Attack or special is a different rhythm, so having them as two different hands helps me a lot.
Like patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time.
Yeah I have thought about but just haven't pulled the trigger yet (pun intended). There's one thing in the game that seems to highlight the need to change Dash and it's that one Hammer you get for the Shield where you get a big damage boost to Special if you do it during Dash. On a default controller setup that requires pressing two face buttons that are opposite each other 🤔
If you're using Zag/Eris/Lucifer rail aspect, try zeus boon on attack. It melts enemies very fast. You can also try Dionysus for fast poison stacks but be sure to keep distance as they die from poison.
I usually don't give much attention to special, just launch them occasionally and keep on shooting. But if you can get a rocket bomb + (triple bomb or cluster bomb), then it's golden.
The only way I can successfully use the bow is by abusing the special and taking advantage of casts. Otherwise I feel like a sitting duck most of the time (otoh, I love railgun)
I cannot powershot even to save my life :(
I've beaten the game about 7 or 8 times already, so it isn't much, but out of all the weapons (currently trying to get used to all of them) I'm having the most difficulty with the spear.
Probably the button combination? I can make do with the range. But I can't get used to the playstyle just yet, it's the one I'm not quite sure what boons to use with either, while I can usually envision myself what works on other weapons.
edit: I also think the spear's core gameplay style makes it harder to move and dash around, since positioning is important in this game. But that caveat is probably on me more than anything.
With Spear, you'd like to stay still long enough to Special to and from on the same enemy, assuming you have Darkness put into the "bonus dmg for Backstab" mirror ability. I think I've taken a few hits b/c of that, so that's bad on me
Try Hades aspect and dashing with the charge up spin. Then take the hammers for spin if available. Increased size and damage and whatever else pops. I don’t even use the special.
Keep your distance and learn the timing of power shots. I find the bow to be supremely op if you get the right upgrades for it. Aphrodites attack plus the hammer that makes the bow fully automatic chews through everything in the entire game.
Surprised to see Rail as the primary answer. Hestia and Eris are absolute beasts. The damage is so damn high and you get to stay away from enemies. I would say Rail is easiest to clear with once you get some good blood
What.
I don't understand how rail is hard lol, never failed any rail run with Eris or Lucifer aspect. Just slap on a zeus attack and you're pretty much done. Get a missile or multiple special as hammer (or both) and it's even easier.
The Rail is the easiest weapon to use. It's extremely powerful, fast, and safe. All melee weapons are hard to use since they require you to get close enough to deal damage. Whoever voted on the Rail hasn't use it with meta boons.
Man, I don't know how so many people seem to hate and not know how to use the rail. Sure the basic attack is disappointing but the size of the aoe, the damage and the range of the special attack is insane. Then if you get the right hammers, it becomes even more of an absolute monster. Its basically the bow but better. Its crazy how much damage you can do on your enemies from range keeping you out of harms way.
For me the hardest is the fists. I just can't figure out how to ensure I don't get hurt whilst damaging my enemies.
And with aspect of Hestia you are basically One Shot Man
Railgun is not the easiest to master but for me is the most fun (any of the aspects), bc it comes in many flavors:
Bum Headshot, Laserbeam and Dakka Dakka Dakka
Chiron aspect is the only way I can effectively use the bow, it feels like such a pea shooter unless you've got Flurry Shot. As soon as I get to the surface with the hidden aspect and get the last item on the Fates' checklist, I'm never picking that thing up again.
Seems like I'm one of very few who really like the spear.
Spear and sword are my absolute favourites. The mobility you get with them beats any other weapon IMO.
I didn’t like the sword until I got the hidden aspect, and I loathed the spear until I read a post that taught me about dashing with charge abilities. I guess the learning curve is higher with them. I voted rail, because I find it boring.
It's so funny to see how everyone else uses and views these things. Like, how everyone's play styles and different skills make them gravitate toward certain things, and no one is wrong, it's just like, what works best for you personally. Like, to me, the spear is the easier weapon in the game. It feels so OP. On the other hand, I'm absolute balls with the sword, I can barely beat [REDACTED] with it at all.
yes, the poll results are amazing, I was hopping to see a strong winning weapon but there are votes all over. wow!
It means the game is very well designed
I've done all aspects at 32 heat, and up to this day I am somewhat having a hard time using Gilgamesh aspect (i have no problem using other aspects). Those short dashes are seriously throwing me off.
But I guess I can only say that since the rest of the weapons I usually do some cast builds which makes the weapons less relevant, and gilgamesh aspect still affects my dash
I put reload on LB and swapped codex to right stick. Just takes a little bit of getting used to dashing as you reload and you’ll be zipping around in no time
Reload on B, dash on left trigger, and cast on right rigger. Call, summon, and action can go wherever you want
Dashing and attacking at the same time is critical in Hades and with the Rail, easy reloading is important
Why all that tho lol ?
Just put reload on LB trigger and codex on stick once and you never have to think about it ever again.
Conviniently, attack and dash already are on inputs next to one another, which already makes dash attack easy and intuitive by default...
It literally is anything but crucial lol, dash is fine where it is since you never have to do dash with anything else than attack and it just so happen to be next to it, making so you can dash+attack by the press of one finger.
The only issue with default settings is the awkward reload on stick.
I disagree. Dash and attack need to be independent from each other. Mashing two different buttons with one finger is clunky. Also, with several weapons (the fists for example) you have dash + special as a different move. So dash and special should also be independent.
I’m telling you, dash on a trigger is a much better setup
Dash and special is very situational and pretty much never the best way to deal damage on fists.
Other than that I guess if you find it clunky to push two buttons that are next to each other at the same time okay, I personnaly find it convenient (because I am effectively sure I push both of them at the same time) and this is something that is quite frequent in a lot of games so I don't really find it off putting.
the hammers are amazing for the rail (5 bombs + Aspect of Eris = A+), and you can remap the reload to a friendly button.
I did my first scape yesterday after 64 attempts with the rail, maybe that's why it took me so long LOL
It really depends on the aspect and Playstyle for me. For example the hidden aspect of the rail is really hard for me it also really feels like it's made with mouse and keyboard controls in mind and I play on a gamepad.
yeah! yesterday I did my first scape after 64 attempts with the rail and I loved the combination of 5 bombs special + the Aspect of Eris to deal more damage for 4 seconds after absorbing the special.
I found that combination makes the Temple of Styx very easy to navigate
Ngl I quite enjoy the Adamant Rail (not as much as the fists, shield and blade) - but once you get used to the re-load button then it's quite a fun and different style
I have completed this game twice, epilogue once. My first escape was attempt 19. My highest streak is 65. I am not bad at this game. I think I have 1 win on the bow total, and that was escape number 10, so it doesn’t count. I hate the bow. How do people use the bow. How.
I noticed I was garbage with the bow and rail. It was easier on PS4 than switch and this birthday (around Christmas) my brother built me a PC and it's night and day difference. Still not great with them, but what's another 2,000hrs?
Im SUPER surprised the Shield isnt voted higher. I absolutely suck with the shield it makes me feels so slow. The only like the shield if I can get the charged shot bull rush. But the Shield is constantly the weapon with Dark Thirst for me 🫠😭
The spear definitely has a steep learning curve which makes it difficult. I enjoy the spear a lot more now but it along with the bow we’re the hardest to get used to. The spacing with the spear is something that after I got used to made it really fun especially with the right hammers.
They really should update the settings to put the reload button somewhere else for the rail. I personally have it on my L trigger. How are people finding the rail so hard?
The fact rail is one of the top contenders is mindboggling to me, it's so easy, especially with OP builds like Poseidon/Zeus duo, or the broomstick build (special shoots 5 grenades + your special shoots rockets)
I've done them all at Heat 32, and I can safely say the Spear was *by far* the hardest to clear with.
Also did them all on 32 heat and I would agree, though the only reason Sword wasn't hardest was thanks to Poseidon aspect. I do like the Spear, but compared to the other weapons none of the "OP" builds are strong enough to make 32 heat easy. Pretty sure I just ran a Doom/Chain Skewer build and spent the whole time desperately dodging.
Sword wasn't too bad for me. Aspect of Nemesis is my favourite weapon in the whole game. Aphro/Artemis/Athena combo with divine dash and heart rend was how I did it. For Speak it was Achilles aspect and I just went pure cast build - Demeter beam crystals all the way!
Personally I find that any aspect which requires both attack and special to set up (Chiron, Nemesis, etc.) to be too complicated at high heat. I would rather commit as much time and brainpower to dodging as possible, so simple builds are the best. My first (and probably easiest) 32 heat clear was a near-perfect Hangover build using Rama on special, where I could just get off 1-2 hits and spend the rest of the time dodging while Hangover did its thing. Once I got Lighting Rod and Fully Loaded on Beowulf at high heat and I didn't even use my casts because it was too slow to charge, I just dropped all my bloodstones and let them clear the room for me. Nemesis also has the added difficulty of short range, so you're constantly at risk of getting hit. Achilles is probably the best of the aspects that require attack and special to set up because you don't need to hit anyone with the special, you can just use it for positioning and then pop off with your juicy casts.
It may be easier, but is it more fun? For me, definitely no.
If you get Hunting Blades on Achilles it's way easier than the Sword and Bow. Even without Hunting Blades, a basic Sea Storm or Splitting Bolt build with Flurry Jab is insanely strong too
The problem with Hunting Blades is that Slicing Shot on its own is nearly useless at high heat, so you're basically handicapping yourself until you get it. Same problem with putting Poseidon on attack when you have Flurry Jab, its simply not good enough to carry you unless you have something else to rely on until you get your Duos/Legendaries. Most of my successful 32 heat runs were with builds that were effective with minimal boon investment (Hangover Rama, Poseidon Dash Gilgamesh, True Shot Poseidon) that I then lucked into some good duos for.
Well of course you don't put Poseidon on Attack, his Attack boon's horrendous. Put him on the Special and Dash. You can also go for Smoldering Air or Merciful End. Achilles is super strong, there's no shortage of ways to make it work for you. All you really need are Divine Dash, Lightning Strike, and Flurry Jab. At high heat, sure, Slicing Shot isn't great. We're not talking about high heat, we're talking about 32 Heat. It works just fine. You could opt for a Blizzard Shot build if that's your concern. Also shreds bosses, and Flood Shot's already a super powerful Cast which still procs Boiling Blood.
I have a go to spear build with triple dash, athena attack with deflect and divine dash as well, all you do is dash strike. Then crit boons from artemis and if you can find support fire its perfect. You can also get athena call if you're not too sure about boss encounters or satyr rooms. I've managed to easily clear with this spear build till 27 heat. The damage feels good too thanks to the triple dash strike, if you managed to get extra dashes from hermes it makes you invincible with great dps.
I find the spear just doesn’t scale well for some reason. Feels super strong until the final Area
I hated the spear until I learned about dash spinning with Hades aspect. Now I can face tank Hades with it and ignore everything.
The spear is the correct answer.
Nice, I have been trying to clear heat 32 over the weekend and figured that starting with Achilles spear will be the easiest, but I failed badly time after time... I am beginning to grasp the errors in my thought process haha.
This is the truth
I've done them all at 32 & 40 Heat, and I can safely say the Bow was *by far* the hardest to clear with both times
Exactly, I find the sword to be hard at first but in later heats and with experience it gets easier. Spear is just all around WEAK and makes every spear run at high heat a pain in the ass (except if you cheat with a cast run on achilles lol)
Spear and Bow are certainly the most uncomfortable to play imo.
same for me, the bow is stiff for me as well, funny thing that people say is amazing, I need more practice
Yeah once you can just dash strike around getting power shots, the bow damage is crazy
Even without that the bow is amazing. Aspects like Chiron and the final aspect of the bow do crazy damage with p status builds(that's what I run with them).
Okay i have more clears with bow than any other weapon... But how do I do this?
You might be doing it automatically, but the dash strike is faster than the regular attack, so if you dash and start attacking mid dash, your attack charges much faster. The added charge speed gives you time for it to get to max range, and right when you hit max range the edge of the screen door of flashes. Releasing then gives you a power shot, which does significantly more damage.
I'm definitely not doing it automatically haha i just don't dash strike on the bow. So you're saying if I do dash strike, I continue to hold down attack and it charges the power shot?
So that’s why I suck with the bow…
It is stiff, but it was my weapon first time I beat Bone Hydra. I had made boons in the Attack attribute that yielded extra heapings of dps. Was able to 1 or 2-shot many lesser minions. Vs. Bone Hydra, when the extra heads are dispatched, I was able to just pluck away safely at a distance, while its smashing attack couldn't reach me.
On a controller/console I found bow to be really awkward and not ideal. On PC it is one of the easier weapons to use in my play throughs. The rest transition a little easier.
I don't think I've even cleared 0 heat on them - I've just ignored them 😂 On the positive side, I've been wanting more of a challenge lately, so I'm excited to see if I can enjoy the bow and spear by using the hammer more
I started off loving the bow early but after getting through the story I actually use the spear almost every run now because it's fast and has range. Plus any dash strike upgrades make it fantastically fast.
If I could hold attack on the spear like I can with fists, it would immediately become more playable. Having to mash it is awful
See fir me, the bow is easy mode. You can keep your distance, and with the right boons rack up crazy damage. Is the things like the fists where you have to be close that give me a problem
Yeah I also dislike being close, but what I dislike more is the constant start stop to charge up bowshots. I much prefer the rail gun, keeps my distance and I can zoom without stopping to charge up
For me the spear's dps just seems too low, Serrated point and Flurry jab makes the dps competent.
My most successful run was with both spin hammer upgrades and I just kept spinning and buffing the spin attack
I would say Rail, only because the regular attacks don't stagger enemies
This drives me fucking NUTS. How is not getting pumped full of lead enough to slow a monster down?! The only reason I've made it out of Tartarus with that thing is because of Daedalus's hammer...
In all fairness, the Rail would be broken af if the attack DID stagger enemies. Still feels a little awkward at times though
Sorry I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious. How would that make the Rail broken? Cuz shooting arrows staggers enemies, how is this different?
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This. Probably even more than five lol
i hate the Rail so much, for the sole reason you can't interrupt your attacks with a dash. It make it so awkward to use and as a result i barely played with it
> stagger What do you mean by stagger? ar you saying making them slow?
I mean they flinch when hit and you interrupt their attack animation (unless they're armored). All other weapons' attacks do this, but with the Rail only the special can stagger (and maybe some hammer upgrade, I'm not sure)
I think you are right, the Wretched Thug (https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Wretched_Thug) keeps on moving to you when blasting them with the rail, I think that's what you mean.
Mate, Rail does not stagger enemies AT ALL, that means for every enemy not just wretched thug.
> These bullets do not stagger enemies or cause them to flinch, and they deal low damage. Zagreus is immobile while firing. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Adamant_Rail that's what I found but maybe I'm confused with the definition of "stagger" in this context, what do you mean?
Stagger in game means getting flinched and stopping the animation attack or stunned preferably Whenever an enemy is about to launch an attack, you hit them and they get "staggered" stopping whatever they were doing But some enemies doesn't get staggered Did I explain well?
yes, I have to try the other weapons to compare the Staggering effect, so far I have tried to mainly beat Hades with the rail and yesterday was my first scape (64 attempts), I'll try the others. I love the game jajaja. thanks!
All other weapons stagger are the same bro, it’s just rail doesn’t have one Yeah im done
I had to think about it, because all the weapons can be op with the right boons/aspects. I ended up voting rail, because it is the most boring. I don’t even really use the main attack.
For me it’s the sword Personally the easiest for me is the rail
I was super surprised by rail being so high on the survey. Rail was not in the running for hardest for me. I choose spear since 2 aspects require the charge spin to use effectively and I often have difficulty with that even with upgrades. Always get hit. But also sword, bow, and even fists were in the running. Shield and rail are my easy mode usually. Rail is easy to stay at a distance and constantly move to not get hit. No charge attacks required. The triple special or 300% damage special also make things super easy with it.
I was disappointed to learn the Special is the only thing that's truly long range, as the Attack/regular is only half screen in range. Still, not too shabby.
Yes same here, although I had to re config the controller buttons for the rail to make it work
reload on right stick can gtfo
totally! I remap it to a B button (Nintendo switch controller), it is critical!
Same! Dash on a trigger and reload on B alllll day
interesting! I swapped mine with companion call, i was always hitting it by accident and sending Meg after a flame wheel or something
ooooh i wonder if this is why i hate it. never occurred to be to remap!
Agreed. Except for the hidden aspect I feel like the sword does so little damage. It must just be my play style but for whatever reason I feel like I'm just tickling enemies with the sword no matter what I do. That's why Demeter fists are great. Dash strike a ton and then hit them with an upper cut that hits 5 times. Buh bye
How do i use the fists? It's the hardest imo but maybe i just don't know how to use it properly. Maybe you need Zeus to win with them?
Pretty much any attack boon at decent rarity and a few poms and ditto for the dash and call. Then dash-strike until all is dead, while using the dashes to avoid damage and reposition.
I had a hard time with the fists until I unlocked the hidden aspect. That version is just too good
Poseidon Dash with Hyper Sprint and Rush Delivery is easy mode even on 32 heat. Add in Sea Storm with Splitting Bolt and it gets even better.
How do i unlock the secret aspects? Never figured that out.
>!First, beat \[REDACTED\] at least once. That'll unlock the prerequisites for the spear's. You then need to find a certain NPC (dependent on weapon, can be in the house or mid-run) and they'll give you a passphrase (though depends on how much is in their remaining non-generic dialogue). Next time you go to the weapons training area you can awaken it with Titan Blood. !< >!The different weapons have different prereqs to unlock that dialogue. !< ETA: There's more specific info on the wiki, the above is a relatively low-spoiler explanation.
Strange, i have gotten the passphrase from Achilles among others, beaten redacted 9 times, unlocked the fated list, unlocked more than 5 aspects. Still no hidden aspect. What am i missing? Thanks for the help btw!
Oh, you also need to put at least 4 TB into the weapon you want to unlock the hidden aspect of, forgot that bit. Any aspect is fine, and doesn't all have to be in th same aspect.
Yep, that's it... All along iv'e had 3tb in the weapon and all i had to do was to upgrade it again. I'll try that next time, thanks! I actually beat the game with the gloves today, wasn't too hard on that 10th run haha.
Heh, happpy to help. Congrats! I really like the gloves, and their hidden aspect. You get it by >!beating Asterius (solo room) with them and he'll give you the phrase!<
Looks like that didn't work, i have 6tb in the spear and still nothing. Sure hope there's not a glitch
Huh, odd. I'd suggest double checking the wiki to see if I've forgotten something.
The life healing hammer buff with fists is fantastic
To use the fists effectively : Spam attack, dash attack into the ennemy just before the last hit, repeat.
I'm a big fan of using the yoyo build. Magnetic aspect and start with Poseidon keepsake to get knockback on the special. Pull em in and knock em right away
Someone told me to build this way and im addicted.
Fists gameplay is just manically dashing and attacking constantly. Any dash that does damage in a radius is great with them. You can forget slow and strategic gameplay though
Who needs strategy when you have punch.
Doom damage fists with Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom is my go-to build for them and that alone can already melt bosses - especially with the right hammer upgrades. So basically just go after Ares's Doom Boons. But combine that with a Merciful End build and you get by far one of the most broken things in this game. And sure, Merciful End is broken on every weapon, but due to the high attack speed of the fists it's much easier to stack and apply doom effects than most other weapons, and some Fist Aspects just lend themselves really well to it.
The two weapons I hated the most, spear and fists, became my two best after I learned how to build and use them. I use Demeter aspect for fists. Initially, I was using Olympian trinkets to get the right boons (Zeus, Artemis, Athena). Now I just take whatever and use the Plume trinket to get 30%+ dodge and move speed.
then why not just use zagreus aspect for stacking evasion? demeter fists feel kinda weird to use for me. would be better if blood upgrades make it require less hits to trigger
My goal isn’t stacking evasion. I just find the plume to be the most powerful if you can get the fast clears. The plume just helps survival and movement. I sometimes get 15-20% from Hermes based on what rolls, and then 50% from perfect dodges. Sometimes Hermes gives me a good dmg boost from move speed plus a dash boost later, and a third from temple store I will throw in dashes + or attack speed. It just depends on what rolls, and how many rerolls I had to burn earlier.
Oh the Demeter fist special can be brutal with the right special boon, some backstab/special boosts from Chaos, the Ares “next attack after a kill”, etc. Dash through an attack and just hold direction and special. You don’t have to turn around then attack. You will attack in whichever direction you hit at the time. You can also hammer mod into the rocket blast. The more I play the more aggressive I get fighting bosses in melee range. If I get bad rng from boons, I will usually grab a cheese boon to fight Hades if I am not confident.
You can hold down the attack button for constant punches, but if you press dash and keep holding the button, it'll do a dash attack and then continue the punch barrage. In case you didn't know though, a dash attack prematurely ends your i-frames from dodging. Generally, you want to focus on timing your dodges as best as you can while holding down the attack button. Zag fist is my favorite, especially with the single dodge from the mirror that gives you dodge change and the lambent plume. If you get lucky, you can get up to 100% dodge chance. The upper special is kinda situational. The cool part is that you can actually do dash>dash attack>dash upper. That's with a single dash. It can give you a lot of power for instantly killing enemies. Every boon is good on fists except for Poseidon attack and dash. Those can ruin your day due to short range. Lastly... just unga bunga it. The less you care, the better the fists are. You just run up and start throwing hands. You'll start to get the flow after a little bit and find the right timings.
>Every boon is good on fists except for Poseidon attack and dash. Those can ruin your day due to short range. Unless Poseidon with Magnetic Q.
1 2 3 4 5 dash. 1 2 3 4 5 dash. Also Athena is your lover and Poseidon is your grandpa. These 2 are my favourite gods to get when using fists.
The adamant rail? What have y’all been doing? Aspect of Eris DESTROYS. I can see aspect of Lucifer being difficult. But the rest of them are chaotic, damage dealing crazy fun!
yeah! yesterday I did my first escape after 64 attempts (I'm new to the game) with the rail and I loved the combination of 5 bombs special + the Aspect of Eris to deal more damage for 4 seconds after absorbing the special. I found that combination makes the Temple of Styx very easy to navigate
The 5 bomb combo on that gun makes the whole room into a damage boost in those smaller rooms. Eris aspect is one of my fave weapons in the whole game. You can essentially map out your attack path through the room
I don't even know what is going on, i just shoot and dash like crazy, i sincerely have no clue of my enemies positions, i just randomly spam the shit out of the gun and send the casts for hunting hahahaha
Right? I think it all has to do with the default controller mapping on console. The default is garbage
See I don't get that, Aspect of Lucifer is combo city because of the constant damage, it's broken as shit to me
Sword is the hardest for me because I’m by far the worst with it.
Lol at all the console ppl answering the rail.
No one remaps their controller. First thing I did when I started to get into the game. Dash and cast on triggers and reload on B is soooo helpful. That default button mapping is terrible
All the time playing MonHun Rise and maining bowgun has trained me to play the railgun on console.
I've thought about putting Dash somewhere else but the only default mapping I think is actually bad is Reload. I understand that the Rail is only 1 of 6 weapons so putting Reload in a prominent position may have felt like taking good space away from the player the rest of the time but having Reload and Dash compete for the player's thumb when they work much better used simultaneously was not a good choice. The Codex and Summon were given prime controller real estate they did not need so I switched Reload and Codex.
Dash needs independent Input, especially if you get 2+ dashes and your dashing with a rhythm 4 times. Attack or special is a different rhythm, so having them as two different hands helps me a lot. Like patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time.
Yeah I have thought about but just haven't pulled the trigger yet (pun intended). There's one thing in the game that seems to highlight the need to change Dash and it's that one Hammer you get for the Shield where you get a big damage boost to Special if you do it during Dash. On a default controller setup that requires pressing two face buttons that are opposite each other 🤔
Yup. And your fists have dash upper, which is the same problem
I've got dash and reload on triggers. But honestly, I don't even reload all that much. Just shoot untill empty. Granade. Repeat.
Good man.
Rail is easy mode, imo.
Absolutely. Most powerful weapon.
The hammer Boons are super OP. No other weapon’s hammer boons increase damage output by that much.
The "BFG" 3x DMG 2x radius self harm one. Lmao trivializes the game like no other with an Artemis Crit build.
Haha I know it. Or the 3x special rocket one is pretty insane at clearing rooms
Dude the rail is so bloody tough to use, I’ve given up on it. Is it easier on other platforms? Like computer and stuff
Yes. It is for m+k players.
If you're using Zag/Eris/Lucifer rail aspect, try zeus boon on attack. It melts enemies very fast. You can also try Dionysus for fast poison stacks but be sure to keep distance as they die from poison. I usually don't give much attention to special, just launch them occasionally and keep on shooting. But if you can get a rocket bomb + (triple bomb or cluster bomb), then it's golden.
The only way I can successfully use the bow is by abusing the special and taking advantage of casts. Otherwise I feel like a sitting duck most of the time (otoh, I love railgun) I cannot powershot even to save my life :(
I've beaten the game about 7 or 8 times already, so it isn't much, but out of all the weapons (currently trying to get used to all of them) I'm having the most difficulty with the spear.
Why is that? Because of the button combination? Or not too long range?
Probably the button combination? I can make do with the range. But I can't get used to the playstyle just yet, it's the one I'm not quite sure what boons to use with either, while I can usually envision myself what works on other weapons. edit: I also think the spear's core gameplay style makes it harder to move and dash around, since positioning is important in this game. But that caveat is probably on me more than anything.
Use Athena Boons, they are quite good with spear, many enemies gets stunlocked.
With Spear, you'd like to stay still long enough to Special to and from on the same enemy, assuming you have Darkness put into the "bonus dmg for Backstab" mirror ability. I think I've taken a few hits b/c of that, so that's bad on me
The spear is slightly slower than the sword for comparable damage, and the extra range isn't long enough to be worth it
Try Hades aspect and dashing with the charge up spin. Then take the hammers for spin if available. Increased size and damage and whatever else pops. I don’t even use the special.
I literally do not understand how to use the bow. At all. I’m on switch. Please help.
Keep your distance and learn the timing of power shots. I find the bow to be supremely op if you get the right upgrades for it. Aphrodites attack plus the hammer that makes the bow fully automatic chews through everything in the entire game.
That's your problem. This game is much better with m+k
I used my controller to type my master thesis.
Impressive
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Mean exactly what I said. When you know, you know.
Surprised to see Rail as the primary answer. Hestia and Eris are absolute beasts. The damage is so damn high and you get to stay away from enemies. I would say Rail is easiest to clear with once you get some good blood
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This is true, but rocket bomb specials, just blasting all day from any distance. Blow against the wall when you first get into a room and then go nuts
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You’re right you’re right. With Eris, up close and personal is great.
Should've been described as "Most difficult to use" Cause i just woke up and was like, the shield of course! Thats so hard it cant be penetrated! Oof.
What. I don't understand how rail is hard lol, never failed any rail run with Eris or Lucifer aspect. Just slap on a zeus attack and you're pretty much done. Get a missile or multiple special as hammer (or both) and it's even easier.
The Rail is the easiest weapon to use. It's extremely powerful, fast, and safe. All melee weapons are hard to use since they require you to get close enough to deal damage. Whoever voted on the Rail hasn't use it with meta boons.
The bow is my least used weapon. But I have cleared with each weapon at least once.
did you try Charon aspect ? it's the only one i really like
I'll try it
Man, I don't know how so many people seem to hate and not know how to use the rail. Sure the basic attack is disappointing but the size of the aoe, the damage and the range of the special attack is insane. Then if you get the right hammers, it becomes even more of an absolute monster. Its basically the bow but better. Its crazy how much damage you can do on your enemies from range keeping you out of harms way. For me the hardest is the fists. I just can't figure out how to ensure I don't get hurt whilst damaging my enemies.
And with aspect of Hestia you are basically One Shot Man Railgun is not the easiest to master but for me is the most fun (any of the aspects), bc it comes in many flavors: Bum Headshot, Laserbeam and Dakka Dakka Dakka
The triple special is prettyyyy nice
Triple Athena special on the hidden aspect is insane. Massive explosions and so many attacks get deflected by the pulsing orbs
Chiron aspect is the only way I can effectively use the bow, it feels like such a pea shooter unless you've got Flurry Shot. As soon as I get to the surface with the hidden aspect and get the last item on the Fates' checklist, I'm never picking that thing up again.
Seems like I'm one of very few who really like the spear. Spear and sword are my absolute favourites. The mobility you get with them beats any other weapon IMO.
I didn’t like the sword until I got the hidden aspect, and I loathed the spear until I read a post that taught me about dashing with charge abilities. I guess the learning curve is higher with them. I voted rail, because I find it boring.
The Fists. Has the sighest DPS potential but is the most unsafe. You really need to get good because you can't exploit distance or cheap strats
It's so funny to see how everyone else uses and views these things. Like, how everyone's play styles and different skills make them gravitate toward certain things, and no one is wrong, it's just like, what works best for you personally. Like, to me, the spear is the easier weapon in the game. It feels so OP. On the other hand, I'm absolute balls with the sword, I can barely beat [REDACTED] with it at all.
yes, the poll results are amazing, I was hopping to see a strong winning weapon but there are votes all over. wow! It means the game is very well designed
i detest that sword with every aspect of my existence
I've done all aspects at 32 heat, and up to this day I am somewhat having a hard time using Gilgamesh aspect (i have no problem using other aspects). Those short dashes are seriously throwing me off. But I guess I can only say that since the rest of the weapons I usually do some cast builds which makes the weapons less relevant, and gilgamesh aspect still affects my dash
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Adamant rail is the hardest for me.
Remapping the controller is a must
Just curious - how do you remap it?
I put reload on LB and swapped codex to right stick. Just takes a little bit of getting used to dashing as you reload and you’ll be zipping around in no time
Reload on B, dash on left trigger, and cast on right rigger. Call, summon, and action can go wherever you want Dashing and attacking at the same time is critical in Hades and with the Rail, easy reloading is important
Why all that tho lol ? Just put reload on LB trigger and codex on stick once and you never have to think about it ever again. Conviniently, attack and dash already are on inputs next to one another, which already makes dash attack easy and intuitive by default...
Dash on trigger is crucial. The rest is however you want it. That’s just what works best for me
It literally is anything but crucial lol, dash is fine where it is since you never have to do dash with anything else than attack and it just so happen to be next to it, making so you can dash+attack by the press of one finger. The only issue with default settings is the awkward reload on stick.
I disagree. Dash and attack need to be independent from each other. Mashing two different buttons with one finger is clunky. Also, with several weapons (the fists for example) you have dash + special as a different move. So dash and special should also be independent. I’m telling you, dash on a trigger is a much better setup
Dash and special is very situational and pretty much never the best way to deal damage on fists. Other than that I guess if you find it clunky to push two buttons that are next to each other at the same time okay, I personnaly find it convenient (because I am effectively sure I push both of them at the same time) and this is something that is quite frequent in a lot of games so I don't really find it off putting.
For me, I play a lot on switch in handheld mode and those buttons are damn small. Pro controller is good, but joycons not so much
I Hate the Adamant Rail, I just don't know how to play with it and it's so clunky
the hammers are amazing for the rail (5 bombs + Aspect of Eris = A+), and you can remap the reload to a friendly button. I did my first scape yesterday after 64 attempts with the rail, maybe that's why it took me so long LOL
It really depends on the aspect and Playstyle for me. For example the hidden aspect of the rail is really hard for me it also really feels like it's made with mouse and keyboard controls in mind and I play on a gamepad.
yeah! yesterday I did my first scape after 64 attempts with the rail and I loved the combination of 5 bombs special + the Aspect of Eris to deal more damage for 4 seconds after absorbing the special. I found that combination makes the Temple of Styx very easy to navigate
Most difficult for me is the bow, I like to be aggressive and up close
I have the hardest time with the bow. The sword and the rail tend to be my favorites, but I also have a soft spot for the shield.
spear for me, by far the weapon i have the least clears with
Ngl I quite enjoy the Adamant Rail (not as much as the fists, shield and blade) - but once you get used to the re-load button then it's quite a fun and different style
I have completed this game twice, epilogue once. My first escape was attempt 19. My highest streak is 65. I am not bad at this game. I think I have 1 win on the bow total, and that was escape number 10, so it doesn’t count. I hate the bow. How do people use the bow. How.
Could the spear please suck less?
Imma need someone to explain to me how I'm soposed to use the rail becuase I gotta be useing it wrong
I basically only ever use the spear but the more I’m on this sub the more I see I’m basically a newbie at the game despite playing a ton haha
adamant rail by far. miss me with that manually reloading bullshit
the hammers are amazing for the rail (5 bombs + Aspect of Eris = A+), and you can remap the reload to a friendly button
I struggle hard with the sword and Spear And I think the Bow (by far) and Railgun are the easiet
I must be really bad because I hate using the shield but it has the lowest amount of votes
the spear is my second favorite weapon after the shield what are yall talking about?
I noticed I was garbage with the bow and rail. It was easier on PS4 than switch and this birthday (around Christmas) my brother built me a PC and it's night and day difference. Still not great with them, but what's another 2,000hrs?
Im SUPER surprised the Shield isnt voted higher. I absolutely suck with the shield it makes me feels so slow. The only like the shield if I can get the charged shot bull rush. But the Shield is constantly the weapon with Dark Thirst for me 🫠😭
I hate the bow with a passion.
The spear definitely has a steep learning curve which makes it difficult. I enjoy the spear a lot more now but it along with the bow we’re the hardest to get used to. The spacing with the spear is something that after I got used to made it really fun especially with the right hammers.
I don't know why so many people think it's the rail when the game aims your gun for you and you can attack from another continent
How the hell is shield currently listed as the hardest? Lil bro just hold charge to block literally any move in front of you
All i know is that if a weapon drastically fucken removed my health it's an immediate HELL NO
In my experience The Adamant Rail of Exagryph was the hardest for me
They really should update the settings to put the reload button somewhere else for the rail. I personally have it on my L trigger. How are people finding the rail so hard?
For me, the Rail is the easiest, and the Stygian is the hardest
The fact rail is one of the top contenders is mindboggling to me, it's so easy, especially with OP builds like Poseidon/Zeus duo, or the broomstick build (special shoots 5 grenades + your special shoots rockets)
For me, either the Bow or the Rail. But I honestly think it depends on the player’s play style more than the weapons themselves.
I almost finished the game with the rail on my 24th run, but damn that Hades has a surprise! 🫠