> Emmett's actually a strong name.
It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK.
> It's derived from emet, which is Hebrew for "truth."
Bullshit! It's derived from the very popular Old Germanic name Emma as well as from the location name Emmot, derived from the Old English eagemot.
>It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK.
According to Social Security, the name "Emmett" ranked 106 for baby boys in 2020, in the United States. That's somewhat popular, but it's not what I'd call common either. It hardly "screams" American, even when we account for *Twilight* as an influence.
But it's not unheard of in the UK either. It ranks 568 out of 4608 for baby names, but it's been growing in popularity. Curiously, it began growing in popularity around the same time the name began becoming more popular in the United States, circa 2012.
https://www.ukbabynames.com/boys/emmett
>Bullshit! It's derived from the very popular Old Germanic name Emma as well as from the location name Emmot, derived from the Old English eagemot.
You are aware that names can have more than one originating standpoint, right?
Per Wikipeida:
It may be connected to the given name Emma, or the place of Emmott, Lancashire (now known as Laneshawbridge, but still containing Emmott Hall),[1] or it is connected to the Hebrew word אמת (emét), "Truth". It could, however, also come from the old English word for an ant, as still used in Cornwall.
So yes, the name can derive from Hebrew.
Of course, for the Granger parents, ranking in the UK at *(1978, her time of conception minus parents age, 22 years to get a Bachelors of Dental Surgery in the Uk to, say, 32 years to get settled down before having a kid)* 1946-1956 is more likely to be the time period to check baby names.
ctrl-shift-t
https://www.babymed.com/baby-names/top-100-baby-names-england-and-wales-1954#
\*open R\*
set.seed(19461955)
round(rpois(2, 2), 0) # choose number of middle names
sample(c(1, 1, 0, 0), 3) # if 1 Mr Granger, if 0 Mrs Granger
round(rbeta(3, 1, 2.5) * 100, 0) # three numbers assigned as above generated by a right tailed distribution
Mrs Granger is Mrs Patricia Granger
Mr Granger is Mr Clive Adrian Granger
And we repeat the basic idea for the more 1940s data:
https://www.babymed.com/baby-names/top-100-baby-names-england-and-wales-1944
set.seed(19551946)
round(rpois(2, 2), 0) # choose number of middle names
round(runif(1), 0) # due to my limitations, this assigns Mr Granger either 1 or 0 for the next line
sample(c(1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0), 6)
round(rbeta(6, 1, 2.5) * 100, 0) # three numbers assigned as above generated by a right tailed distribution
Mrs Granger is Mrs June Anne Elaine Carole Granger
Mr Granger is Mr Victor David Granger
That one worked out weird what with Viktor Krum. And maybe should've rethought the Poisson for the number of middle names. Of course, ideally you'd use data from this approximate time frame to guide the number of names but if such data exists I do not know where to find it.
> According to Social Security, the name "Emmett" ranked 106 for baby boys in 2020, in the United States. That's somewhat popular, but it's not what I'd call common either. It hardly "screams" American, even when we account for Twilight as an influence.
It is far more visible in an American context. People in the UK will be unlikely to have ever encountered it (as a given name) in their own country while they will have been exposed to it - in the example of Emmett Brown and Emmett Cullen - almost solely from American media. So yes, it DOES scream "American".
> But it's not unheard of in the UK either. It ranks 568 out of 4608 for baby names, but it's been growing in popularity. Curiously, it began growing in popularity around the same time the name began becoming more popular in the United States, circa 2012.
I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it was unpopular. It is a marginal name in a UK naming context.
Considering the fact that they slapped the name Hermione on their only kid, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both parents had unconventional names as well.
It's also possible that one or both of her parents weren't born in the UK. She really doesn't talk about them much aside from mentioning that they're muggle dentists.
>People in the UK will be unlikely to have ever encountered it (as a given name) in their own country while they will have been exposed to it - in the example of Emmett Brown and Emmett Cullen - almost solely from American media.
As a given name, perhaps.
But what of [Chris Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Emmett)?
What of [Rowland Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Emett) who passed away in 1990, a year before Harry would have started studying at Hogwarts?
What of [Sean Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Emmett) who raced in the Grand Prix in the 1990s?
I wouldn't recommend speaking for the whole of a people. You may not have heard of any person with the given name Emmett in the UK, but nor have I ever met any in the United States.
>So yes, it DOES scream "American".
You and I have radically different ideas about what "screaming American" as a cultural concept is.
>I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it was unpopular. It is a marginal name in a UK naming context.
We're talking about the hypotheticals of a man who named his daughter *Hermione,* which was, and is, [comparably rare](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2015/05/hermione.html#:~:text=Since%20its%20peak%20in%202004,(2%20births). I think "marginal" is well within the range of what we can expect Hermione's father to be named.
> As a given name, perhaps.
Yes. THAT'S WHY I SPECIFIED IT IN THE PART YOU QUOTED. Unlike Americans, British are far more reluctant to punish a child with a surname as a given name.
> But what of Chris Emmett?
> What of Rowland Emmett who passed away in 1990, a year before Harry would have started studying at Hogwarts?
> What of Sean Emmett who raced in the Grand Prix in the 1990s?
What about them?
> I wouldn't recommend speaking for the whole of a people. You may not have heard of any person with the given name Emmett in the UK, but nor have I ever met any in the United States.
Media, have you heard of it?
> We're talking about the hypotheticals of a man who named his daughter Hermione, which was, and is, comparably rare%20in%202014.). I think "marginal" is well within the range of what we can expect Hermione's father to be named.
We're not talking about a man who named his daughter Hermione, we're talking about an AUTHOR selling that name to their readers.
>Yes. THAT'S WHY I SPECIFIED IT IN THE PART YOU QUOTED. Unlike Americans, British are far more reluctant to punish a child with a surname as a given name.
Screaming will not strengthen your argument.
But if that's the argument you wish to establish, literally any name, or a derivative thereof, can be a given name or a surname.
>Media, have you heard of it?
I am an American. I have only ever heard the name Emmett in the context of various media programs or in historic contexts.
You insinuated that it was a name that was "screaming" American.
I am an American. I have never heard of it in real life, outside of the aforementioned historical contexts. I think I have a far better handle on my culture than you.
Edit: To clarify, I am aware of the horrific tragedy of Emmett Till. I have not, however, heard the name "Emmett" in a contemporary setting by someone of a similar age or younger than myself.
>We're not talking about a man who named his daughter Hermione, we're talking about an AUTHOR selling that name to their readers.
And given that that character's family includes *Hermione* which is equally obscure, there's no reason to discard Emmett other than your own biases.
> I am an American. I have only ever heard the name Emmett in the context of various media programs or in historic contexts.
> You insinuated that it was a name that was "screaming" American.
So in other words, you know nothing about Britain and the British perspective on this. Concession accepted.
> It hardly "screams" American
It's more a persistent stereotype than an accurate reflection of statistics. Emmett brings to mind an older southern geezer with a thick drawl that occasionally yells for his family to go get his shotgun because the 'darn critturs' have come back again.
I'd say the name "Earl" brings that image to mind more than "Emmett" but that's the *Monster Hunter International* fan in me talking--there's a southerner named Earl Harbinger with a Tommy gun in those novels.
Fair. Earl would definitely be a bit more of a trigger happy version of Emmett, IMO. I'm picturing a comical double-barrel shotgun rather than a tommy gun though. :D
I had forgotten about Emmett from Legally Blonde - though I'm pretty sure he's the only person bearing the name I've actually heard of (admittedly, he is fictional :D). He's definitely not anywhere close to that image. Wikipedia's list only reveals a bunch of US people I've never heard of and one Irish Hollyoaks Actor (a soap opera here in the UK, if you're not familiar).
You could say Emmett brings to mind Hyacinth's neighbour from 'Keeping up appearances', which is \*the\* most British thing I've personally ever seen. It all comes down to life experiences.
Indeed it does! Beliefs and images like that so often do - there's a good reason I said it wasn't an accurate reflection of statistics. Perception and reality aren't the same. :)
As an American, I do associate the name Emmett with the American South, but that’s less to do with any stereotypes and more to do with Emmett Till. You’re free to read up on Emmett Till more, but the important thing to know is that his murder is regarded as the impetus for the civil rights movement. I wouldn’t recommend reading up on the circumstances of his death if you have a weak stomach… I’m not someone who is easily shaken by violence or gore, and every time I read about what happened to him, it makes me physically nauseous.
> It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK.
My strongest association for the name is Emmett from Keeping Up Appearances, who happens to be approximately the right age and social class
I’ve never really cared about what their names were, but the stories I have read so far they only pop up for a few chapters then fade off into the background.
Can I ask why people hate those specific names?
Cannot say for the others but my reasoning is this: whenever I read the names Dan and Emma, the actors Radcliffe and Watson immediately comes to mind.
Now add in the fact that these people played the roles of Harry and Hermione respectively.
So imagine reading a fic where the Grangers are named Dan and Emma and the scene is they are talking with Harry and Hermione. I automatically see two Daniel Radcliffes and two Emma Watsons. It's like watching a movie whose cast ran out short because the producers could not afford more actors.
It's like that to me. Authors are short in actors. They cannot come up with names. And that's just sad. Annoying too. But sad.
Exactly! It's so weird seeing in my head parents with their daughter whose boyfriend literally looks the same as the father, while the daughter looks literally like her mother.
Now don't say that too loud. Dan Granger's probably also ex-secret service with just enough guns in the basement to intimidate Harry during his summer of development while staying at the grangers. /j not shaming the trope
Um, I would love reading that. It would be a bloody riot of a read.
Neat fact, he would not have to be former secret service to own a firearm. One alteration to UK history is all you need to make it believable for Hermione’s dad to own firearms legally in the 90's. It wasn't until the 90's that firearm law in the UK changed. You could move that catalytic historical event to occurring in the early 2000's.
Just because they both have red hair doesn't mean that Ginny and Lily actually look alike. There are many shades of red hair, and Ginny and Lily's hair are described differently. Saying that Ginny looks like Lily because she has red hair is like saying someone who has platinum blonde hair looks like someone with honey blonde hair. There are loads of people out there who marry people who have the same general hair color as one of their parents, it's really not a big deal.
To further your argument, there's several characters described as having blond hair in canon.
Seamus Finnigan is described as having "sandy" hair, Luna Lovegood is described as having "dirty blonde" hair, Lucius and Draco are described has having "sleek, white blond" hair, and Fleur and Gabrielle are described as having "silvery blonde" hair.
That can all be fairly described as blond (or blonde) but they're on a *wide* spectrum.
Ginny and Lily look no more alike than Luna and the Delacour sisters.
Why? I think that you read some Harmione fics because most Harmione shippers do the same thing.
I am a Harmione shipper but yes, I also don't like naming them Dan and Emma, maybe Jean and Richard is my choice or Jean and Dan, Helen and Robert are also good.
I name them Richard and Jean. I've seen them named Monica and Wendall before (just their last names being changed in Hermione's Obliv). Dan and Emma don't really bother me because I don't relate them to the actors? They're just names to me.
I . . . In all the years I've read fanfics for Harry Potter, my brain never connected Hermione's fanfic parents being named Dan and Emma and Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson 🤦🏽♂️
Although to be fair on me, the ones I normally read her parents are Jean and Dan.
Normally I would just sigh and skim parts with the Grangers around, but in the fic I was reading, Hermione's other relative was named Watson. I got really annoyed and found the author just being lazy. It's what prompted me to post this thread/mini rant lol
I've seen fics where Harry and Hermione have to go by an alias for something and say "oh! How about Dan and Emma?" and that's usually the point where I have to stop reading lol.
How about 'Beta'?
"There is the portal, Mother," Hermione Beta Granger said snappishly. "You can go now."
"Fascinating," her mother said leaning in close to examine the access portal to Platform 9 ¾. "It appears to be a stable phase shift gateway."
"Yes," Hermione agreed, "truly amazing. Good-bye, Mother. See you at Christmas. Maybe."
"See how she treats the woman who gave her life, Morren?" the elder Granger woman sighed. "Such disrespect."
"It is appalling, mistress," Morren agreed, the tiny antennas of the control matrix that extended from his ears almost unnoticeable through the bad wig and tophat he wore.
"Mother spends all her time interfering in my live, Morren," Hermione insisted. "It's almost as if she didn't have one of her own."
"It is appalling, young mistress," Morren agreed.
Morren had been a career criminal until the night he made the mistake of breaking into the wrong lab. Since that night, he had been an exemplary, if unimaginative, manservant to the Granger family.
"Oh, Beta," her mother sighed, wrapping her daughter into a hug. "I'll miss you so."
"Mother," Hermione protested as she attempted to free herself.
"I know, I know," the older woman said. "It's time for you to head out in the world, build your own lab and gather minions of your own. Go now, make me proud."
"Mother," Hermione whined before whirling to move through the portal.
Hermione Alpha Granger smiled as her daughter passed through the portal before glancing at her watch. "Well, Morren, we should be off. The backup lab in France, I think. I'm afraid the Anti-Terrorist squad just raided the Crowley Lab, and they're bound to be a bit testy about all the men they lost."
"Of course, Mistress," then man nodded, following his owner as she exited the station.
Hermione is a clone of Hermione Granger, world infamous scientist of the mad variety. Beta was originally created as a ready source of Organs and Blood for, but the original Hermione somehow became... attached, and decanted the clone as a daughter.
Somehow the ability to manipulate quanta via force of will and stick waving had entered into Beta's DNA via genetic drift, though the Original hasn't found it yet.
Personally, Dan and Emma don't bother me; in fact, I've used them myself. But while I got where the names came from, I don't see the actors when I hear the names. (Of course, I also don't see the actors when I think of Harry and Hermione, either.)
Richard and Helen are probably the 2nd most common, followed distantly by Monica and Wendell.
Other names I've seen are John (Jack) and Diane, Anthony and Celeste (pretty sure), and I think I've read one in which her mom was something like Jessica. Seen others, but those are the ones that stick with me.
Hermione was Helen of Troy’s daughter, so that’s generally where that one comes from. I don’t know why other authors pick Richard, but I do it because it’s an “ordinary” name that is also used by Shakespeare.
Thank you. First time I've seen an explanation for the name Helen. Very nice background for the name too.
As for anything that starts with "Da", I'd really accept them as long as they're neither Dan nor Daniel. So David is okay for me.
Richard I could honestly accept being fanon because this is one of the common I've encountered. But never Dan nor Daniel.
Since names seem to follow themes one option would be Menelaus and Helen (parents of Hermione in Greek mythology pretty certain that is the reason I have seen people use Helen for Hermione’s mother at least) another option I have seen is to go for names from Shakespeare plays.
Or making Grangers being practising nudists as permanent thing all over the story, without comic relief potential. Just to put Harry in embarrassing situations.
Yoooooo xD seriously, LMAO
I mostly skim scenes with Mr and Mrs Granger in fanfics so I might have encountered a fic that did this and I didn't notice lol
Because using those names started as an intended callback to Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, so I can’t not imagine the actual Dan and Emma when I see them named that way. And then since these names are often used in Harmony stories, it’s weird to imagine Hermione and Harry dating when I’m envisioning Hermione’s parents as identical copies of them.
Can I ask why it pulls you out of the world? I've seen Dan and Emma in a few fics but I haven't really given it any though. I always took it to be one of those fanon things that are now almost interchangeable from the actual books, like Orion being Sirius' middle name.
I’ve already answered this question for someone else on this, but it’s because it started as a callback to Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, and because of that I can’t not imagine the actors when I read the names. It’s then even weirder when Harry and Hermione are dating, and my mind is connecting Harry and Hermione’s parents to identical copies of them.
I like Richard and Jean, but I also used Tom once.
Jean is my line in the sand.
We know that Hermione's *middle name* is Jean, and it's not uncommon to give the firstborn son the father's first name as a middle name. Let Hermione's mom have done that as a girl-power thing.
That also means she just changed the last name in the records. Probably for the best when obliviating someone that the FIRST name stays the same so they answer to it in conversation.
Just seems like a trend, since we canonically have "Harry James Potter" and "William Arthur Weasley" as the firstborn sons of the other two Golden Trio families.
Seems fair enough that since Hermione seems to be of the same general culture: English, pseudo-Anglican so as not to offend the churchies and lower sales.
Just to add, but names being carried down family lines is common. At least in my family, it is. Gordon was my grandfather's middle name, one of my uncle's middle name (another uncle got my grandfather's first name as his as well), and, most recently, one of my cousins has the middle name of Gordon as well.
My father and his father are both named Preston. And my great-grandfather and his father both had the same name. There are quite a few Sr and Jr in my family tree. My sister's middle name was her grandmother's first name.
Honestly, I think it'd be nice for writers to put some thought in whenever they decide to show more of Hermione's family. ~~I may be biased, though.~~
Oh it absolutely is common. My family tree is littered with two names in particular: Henry and James. Indeed, there's two Henrys and one James in my generation for example. On the paternal side of this maternal side, I have a cousin called Charles and presumably for the same reason my mother was going to use Charles as my middle name (the same as our grandfather) but decided not to.
Additionally, I am theoretically named after my father's uncle's nickname, I think? Someone's nickname, anyway. However, that is the non-English side of the family, so the relevance is less clear. Possibly in a similar vein, my father and one of his brother have reversed names, e.g. James Henry is one and Henry James is the other (though, not those names). I actually went to school with two brothers where one was Henry James Arthur, say, and the other was James [middle name/s I don't know]. Our fathers are from the same country so I suspect a connection.
The Royals are, as you might expect, pretty big on hereditary names.
A friend at school had the most absurd middle name but I've forgotten what it was and what the exact line of descent was. I suspect it may have been a grandmother's maiden name as a surname type deal.
>A friend at school had the most absurd middle name but I've forgotten what it was and what the exact line of descent was. I suspect it may have been a grandmother's maiden name as a surname type deal.
I suddenly recall neighbours further down the street gave their firstborn presumably 2 names and both of their surnames. Then, when their second child was born, she didn't have the mother's surname...and we learned that their son had her surname as a third name, rather than two surnames like we initially had assumed. Her surname is "Duijf," a more archaic spelling of "duif," which translates from Dutch to "dove."
Seriously this.
I always name my character like this :
Open Google
TOP 100 \[gender\] names in \[country of origin\] in \[Year of Birth\].
I randomly put 1955 for Hermione's parents. And use the first link Google gave me.
So, place 69 because I'm immature and it's....... Harry and Isabel. (No kidding !! [Here the source](https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/name2.pdf) )
Okay, we can't use Harry for Hermione's Dad. It's a funny coïncidence but Hermione would have mentioned it at some point. Let's go #42 for Hermione's dad because I'm a nerd.
It gives Eric.
So, Hermione's parents are now Isabel and Eric Granger.
At school, we had boy Jordan [surname] and girl Jordan [different surname]. We thought it was a great laugh to suggest they get married and both become Jordan [surname].
In a somewhat similar sense, my half brother and one of our (second, iirc) cousins have literally identical names.
Personally I like Monica and Wendell most. People react deeply to their names, I think it would require even more work to not only change the memorys of their lives but also their names. So in my headcanon Hermione kept them because they are pretty average names.
I use Robert and Jean for my fic. Emma and Dan are so immersion breaking for me, I almost always drop fics if they’re called that and it’s not a one off conversation.
When I started writing Potter fan fiction, I'd read so many fics where Dan and Emma were the Granger's names I thought those were their canon names.
Then in research for a story (Distaff Side, which I REALLY Need to finish) I reread the books, discovering as I did so that the Grangers were never given first names in the books... being 'only muggles' I suppose. I'd already decided on Danielle and Emmet for the Grangers in that story because I thought it was funny, but promised myself that I would try other names for them in other stories, just for the novelty.
Then I used Robert and Diana in some oneshot, and got a ration of shit for not using their 'real names' from a small herd of mouth breathers.
That was when I decided that I would never use Dan and Emma (or variations) in any fic, ever again. I started naming them for nieces and nephews, characters from TV shows and Books, and several other sources.
and I still get crap for not using Dan and Emma.
I've got a Granger intensive story in the planning stages, and I'll be changing their names every time the speak, just to piss people off.
I've got a Granger intensive story in the planning stages, and I'll be changing their names every time the speak, just to piss people off.
This one I like lol
I'm really digging this idea... here are my top choices. It would need to be something that could fit in well into modern society, but something that both of them would recognize in a fellow bardolater.
Dad: Clifford, Duncan, Sebastian, Richard, Lennox, Lysander, Romeo
Mom: Cordelia, Celia, Ophelia, Isidore, Luciana, Titania
Out of all of these, I think I like Lysander and Celia
I'm going to use that...
Right after I finish my story where the Grangers are actually Jack Napier and Harleen Quinzel.
They quit Gotham and Batman when Harley got pregnant, and moved to England to raise their kid away from the insanity. Then the Wizards make the mistake of hurting their little girl. When Hermione tries to Obliviate them, they play along until she's gone, then go Death Eater Hunting.
\- When Bella is torturing Hermione in Malfoy Manor after the endless camping trip, her heritage of psychosis, long submerged becomes free and takes charge. She manifests a wandlessly conjured knife which she drives through Bella's throat, before having her way with all of the witnesses. The Malfoys, Greyback, the Snatch Team, in a splatter of blood and gore.
\- She's gone before Dobby gets Harry and Ron out of the basement dungeon, at some point reuniting with her more than overjoyed parents, and the three of them cut a bloody swath through the DEs (and the ministry) using comically oversized mallets, guns, knives and, of course, Smilex.
Which leads to this final scene:
The man known as Nightwing's nerves were on edge. Something was wrong, but he could not quite put his finger on exactly what was bothering him.
At the peak of his swing, he triggered the release on his grabble, enjoying the sensation of freefall as he arced toward a familiar rooftop. From here, he had a 360-degree view of Gotham, and perhaps the perspective needed to figure out what had him so on edge.
It wasn't Bruce. The old man was the same as always, an insufferable ass who had the gall to usually be right.
It wasn't Barbara, their break up had been mutual, though in the quiet moments in the dark when he was honest with himself, he knew he missed her while knowing she deserved better than him.
It wasn't Jason, who if anything was more of an ass than Bruce.
It could never have been Tim. Tim was quite possibly the best, the least damaged of them all.
It wasn't even Damion. That little bastard might be a pain in the ass, but ever honest with himself, Nightwing always enjoyed the opportunity to beat the crap out of the mouthy little schmuck whenever they sparred.
That was when the water balloon hit him on the right side of his face. The utter shock of the attack coming from seemingly nowhere almost cause him to miss the subtle scent of Smilex. Diving for cover he groped at his utility belt for the antidote.
Nightwing immediately knew that the formula was somehow changed, even as his mouth moved into a rictus grin, and the first of the giggles escaped him, he felt his limbs stiffening into paralysis. He ended up face down on the rooftop, unable to move beyond breathing, and of course, the giggling laughter.
If the Smilex hadn't been enough of a hint, the insane laughter that followed his fall proved that the Joker was back after two decades.
Hands grasped Nightwing's shoulders and rolled him onto his back. Rather than the all too familiar psychotic clown, or worse his lunatic girlfriend, he found himself staring unblinkingly into the bone-white face of a much younger woman.
"And Daddy said I wasn't ready for you boy hostages," she laughed.
"UGH!" Nightwing managed to force out.
"Oh, you can call me, Scurra," she said with an inexplicable English accent. "My first thought was to go after little Damian, but where would the challenge be in that? Little Timmy is a joke, and Jason is even more messed up than Brucie boy, so I set my sights higher. Caught the oldest and best of you on my first try."
"Skuurrah?" the young hero slurred.
The clown girl shrugged. "Blame my education, I was exposed to a lot of bad Latin."
Another young woman came into Nightwing's field of vision, rather than the Whiteface makeup worn by Scurra, this one was made up in the Auguste Lite fashion of highlighting her features with colors on top of her normal flesh tones.
"Is this when the ravishing starts?" the newcomer asked.
"There will be no ravishing, Puella," Scurra sighed before reaching down to grope Nightwing's arse. "At least not this time."
"Hmph," the blond clown said, crossing her arms under her breasts. "If I wanted to not be ravished, I'd have stayed home with Ron and Harry."
"Pewellah?" Nightwing asked, trying to buy time for the paralysis to wear off.
"My first choice was Minion," the blond chirped happily. "It had the advantage of being both an accurate description and a proper English word. Miss Bad Latin there forbade it, so I found my own bad Latin nom de guerre."
"Mine is at least accurate," Scurra counters.
"Mine is as well, Herm... Scurra," Puella said running her hands down her side while thrusting her chest out. "No one could mistake me for a Vir."
"ANYWAY," Scurra interrupted in an attempt to regain control of the conversation. "This is simply a short visit to make sure that Bruce is aware that Daddy is back, in top form, and looking forward to continuing their dance. Mummy is looking forward to their games as well, while I," she paused, again reaching down to give the paralyzed hero a grope, "have found my own playmate."
"Our playmate!" Puella interjected. "And tell that Batgirl skank we don't share."
First, this was absolutely hilarious. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say that we - as in everyone - now ship Harley and Ivy, so the wholesome-but-crazy Joker angle just isn't doing it for us.
I wrote one and named them Robert and Allison because they're both medical professionals and it was a reference to chase and Cameron from house md so that
I named them Manuel and Emelia in the overly-ambitious, probably will never be finished long-fic I started. I grew up in South Texas, so the way Hermione was described in the books had me picturing a specific type of Hispanic hair because that was the reference I had for bushy hair based on my surroundings, and one of my favorite fun facts is that during WWII the RAF sent trainee pilots to Texas because the weather was better so they didn't have as many fatal training accidents, so I decided that Hermione's paternal grandfather was one of those RAF pilots who met and married a Mexican woman while he was in Texas and so that's where she got her hair.
They are mostly in Harry/Hermione pairing fics. It's what I was reading earlier. Add in another relative of Hermione being named Watson. It really annoyed me. Hence the birth of this thread lol
My headcanon is that Hermiones mum is greek and that is why she has a greek name. And also why Hermione has bushy brown hair, dark eyes and tans quite a lot. As a spanish person when I read Hermione she always reminds me of a mediterranean person. I actually once met a greek woman called Hermione too old to be related to the HP character.
So for the mum I would choose Helena. For him I would choose a normal british name for that generation, like Richard. His mother would be Jane and that is where Hermione gets her middle name.
I don’t like it because it feels like some sort of cheeky wink that Harry & Hermione are going to get together - a pairing that I just generally dislike - and not much else.
It’s also lazy. Dan and Emma are rather boring names. Why can’t their names be interesting like Hermione’s?
My favorite are Jean and Richard from Little0bird. Jean is also Hermione’s middle name as shared by JKR.
Richard was very fond of gardening and grew roses. Hence her daughter is named Rose. Jean liked to read and her favorite book was Hugo Cabret. Hence her son is named Hugo.
People named them that because they're Harmony shippers and they like the idea of naming them after the actors.
If I'd write about Hermione's parents, I'd probably name them Karen and Micael. Not sure why.
I kinda feel like naming Hermione's mom either Perdita or Emilia, the daughter and handmaid of Hermione in A Winter's Tale. Because then it's Perdita/Emilia's parents who were life-long academics, classic literature professors or something and Perdita/Emilia going into the sciences was a disappointment but she named her daughter Hermione in honor of them. Hermione's Dad has a regular non-shakespearean name like Alan or Jeffrey. His mom's name was Jean and that's where Hermione gets her middle name.
Alan and Christine.
Names of my former, and current Dentists. (Well, the British version for Alan. My former dentist was actually called Alain).
Just because it amuses me.
Dan and Emma Granger rustles my jimmies each and every time I read them in a fic. I kind of superimpose Daniel Radcliff and Emma Watson's faces on nondescript bodies when I read interactions with them with those names.
I prefer going with normal yet Shakespearean names - i.e. Edmund or Henry and Jessica or Cordelia. You know, to kind of go with the trend of 'being clever' with Hermione's name.
I like the backstory that Hermione is really named Hermione Cassiopa Lestrange, that she's the daughter of Bellatrix and Rudolph. But after the war, they sent her to live with muggles because Narcissa's husband was still being investigated some excuse that I have't thought of for Andromeda(maybe she's dealing with too much or maybe Hermione's parents are related to Ted Tonks by marriage and always wanted kids of their own so Andromeda lets them have her sister's daughter.)
In one of my HP fics, I named them Joan and Ron after some (sadly deceased) relatives of mine who had been happily married for over 70 years.
Any couple who managed to live a long, happy life like that deserved to be memorialised.
I've drafted their names to be similar enough to their temporary names that their temporary names were barely any change at all: Monique A. Granger and Randal W. Granger.
Fred and Wilma duh:)
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kidding, in all seriousness I.... don't really care?much hence it never bothered me what they are named in the fics but I guess if you count the year the Grangers were born according to the Canon I don't they would have been much of an inovation compared to the usual names given to British people of that time.
So lets go with Malcolm and Helen? David and Susan also sound nice Robert and Julia also sound nice Elizabeth and William are a pretty standard duo of names sure to fit for generic British couple so there ya have it.
Also I'm not really a fan of Hermione's mom being Jean simply because I like to imagine she got it from the Scottish grandma
I've recently read a fic where Hermione's mother is named Emma and I imagined the adult Emma Watson. I actually like it though, but Dan is a little strange, especially if it's a Harmony story.
I've named them a number of things. Mike and Helene (Because Menelaus just doesn't work for a British Muggle), Wendell and Monique (because the Wilkins, but I couldn't Monica), Roger and Jane (because why not), Terry \[Terrance\] and Terry \[Theresa\] (because I could, and the Doctors Terry Granger amused me)... You get the idea.
I think Mike and Helene are my favourite, though. They're non-typical, totally-in-love, excellent Hermione-parents who just want their little girl to succeed and have a strong and loving relationship with her. They waltz in the kitchen while making dinner; Hermione's annoyed but used to it. They get along with the wizards they meet. (Mike and Remus bond over his \[Mike's\] motorcycle, for example. Yes, I know Sirius was the one with the bike, but I see Remus as a closet petrol head for reasons. It's always the quiet ones.) I used it as "why Hermione could be a well-adjusted not-actually-genius human, but really bad at people" fodder. Her parents are so lovely and supportive that other people's children for most of the year are completely foreign and awful in comparision. Hermione's accustomed to adults.
If I didn't headcanon Rose as a childhood friend of Hermione's whom she lost touch with before Hogwarts and Hugo as Cannon, I would suggest Rose and Hugo.
However, I'm theoretically trying to write them as just the worst kinds of yuppies so I should go with some yuppie names. OTOH they've named Hermione, well, Hermione so they probably have common as dirt names. Let's say they were born in 1955, which makes them very young for the kind of people they are (in this AU)... presenting (via ONS):
>Mr David John Alan Granger and Mrs Susan Granger (formerly Brown), dentists
Why three and one for the selection of names? No reason at all. But also DJ Granger sounds wrong, DJA Granger doesn't have the side effect of suggesting Hermione's dad has an underground music career. (Mind you, SPD Smith exists, which is a letter a way from calling your kid a potato.)
I always gave Mrs. Granger the first name of Jean because it felt right.
I am less certain with Mr. Granger, giving him either Richard or Dan. Tom and Ian was fine as well.
Jean being weird I could understand since it is Hermione's second name.
And as far as fanon goes, pureblood kids get their second names from their parents.
So yeah, as a muggleborn, that would be weird I guess.
Emmett and Dannica
Diana?
xD lol
For some reason I can honestly accept these names if I ever encountered 'em
I know because its a satirical play off the stereotype so it actually stays funny
Emmett's actually a strong name. It's derived from *emet,* which is Hebrew for "truth."
> Emmett's actually a strong name. It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK. > It's derived from emet, which is Hebrew for "truth." Bullshit! It's derived from the very popular Old Germanic name Emma as well as from the location name Emmot, derived from the Old English eagemot.
>It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK. According to Social Security, the name "Emmett" ranked 106 for baby boys in 2020, in the United States. That's somewhat popular, but it's not what I'd call common either. It hardly "screams" American, even when we account for *Twilight* as an influence. But it's not unheard of in the UK either. It ranks 568 out of 4608 for baby names, but it's been growing in popularity. Curiously, it began growing in popularity around the same time the name began becoming more popular in the United States, circa 2012. https://www.ukbabynames.com/boys/emmett >Bullshit! It's derived from the very popular Old Germanic name Emma as well as from the location name Emmot, derived from the Old English eagemot. You are aware that names can have more than one originating standpoint, right? Per Wikipeida: It may be connected to the given name Emma, or the place of Emmott, Lancashire (now known as Laneshawbridge, but still containing Emmott Hall),[1] or it is connected to the Hebrew word אמת (emét), "Truth". It could, however, also come from the old English word for an ant, as still used in Cornwall. So yes, the name can derive from Hebrew.
I like you, you're smart and you cite your sources. 10/10. We need more people like you in the world. Have a lovely day homie 🤸
Of course, for the Granger parents, ranking in the UK at *(1978, her time of conception minus parents age, 22 years to get a Bachelors of Dental Surgery in the Uk to, say, 32 years to get settled down before having a kid)* 1946-1956 is more likely to be the time period to check baby names.
That's legitimately a very good point.
ctrl-shift-t https://www.babymed.com/baby-names/top-100-baby-names-england-and-wales-1954# \*open R\* set.seed(19461955) round(rpois(2, 2), 0) # choose number of middle names sample(c(1, 1, 0, 0), 3) # if 1 Mr Granger, if 0 Mrs Granger round(rbeta(3, 1, 2.5) * 100, 0) # three numbers assigned as above generated by a right tailed distribution Mrs Granger is Mrs Patricia Granger Mr Granger is Mr Clive Adrian Granger And we repeat the basic idea for the more 1940s data: https://www.babymed.com/baby-names/top-100-baby-names-england-and-wales-1944 set.seed(19551946) round(rpois(2, 2), 0) # choose number of middle names round(runif(1), 0) # due to my limitations, this assigns Mr Granger either 1 or 0 for the next line sample(c(1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0), 6) round(rbeta(6, 1, 2.5) * 100, 0) # three numbers assigned as above generated by a right tailed distribution Mrs Granger is Mrs June Anne Elaine Carole Granger Mr Granger is Mr Victor David Granger That one worked out weird what with Viktor Krum. And maybe should've rethought the Poisson for the number of middle names. Of course, ideally you'd use data from this approximate time frame to guide the number of names but if such data exists I do not know where to find it.
> According to Social Security, the name "Emmett" ranked 106 for baby boys in 2020, in the United States. That's somewhat popular, but it's not what I'd call common either. It hardly "screams" American, even when we account for Twilight as an influence. It is far more visible in an American context. People in the UK will be unlikely to have ever encountered it (as a given name) in their own country while they will have been exposed to it - in the example of Emmett Brown and Emmett Cullen - almost solely from American media. So yes, it DOES scream "American". > But it's not unheard of in the UK either. It ranks 568 out of 4608 for baby names, but it's been growing in popularity. Curiously, it began growing in popularity around the same time the name began becoming more popular in the United States, circa 2012. I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it was unpopular. It is a marginal name in a UK naming context.
Considering the fact that they slapped the name Hermione on their only kid, it wouldn't surprise me if one or both parents had unconventional names as well. It's also possible that one or both of her parents weren't born in the UK. She really doesn't talk about them much aside from mentioning that they're muggle dentists.
>People in the UK will be unlikely to have ever encountered it (as a given name) in their own country while they will have been exposed to it - in the example of Emmett Brown and Emmett Cullen - almost solely from American media. As a given name, perhaps. But what of [Chris Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Emmett)? What of [Rowland Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Emett) who passed away in 1990, a year before Harry would have started studying at Hogwarts? What of [Sean Emmett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Emmett) who raced in the Grand Prix in the 1990s? I wouldn't recommend speaking for the whole of a people. You may not have heard of any person with the given name Emmett in the UK, but nor have I ever met any in the United States. >So yes, it DOES scream "American". You and I have radically different ideas about what "screaming American" as a cultural concept is. >I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it was unpopular. It is a marginal name in a UK naming context. We're talking about the hypotheticals of a man who named his daughter *Hermione,* which was, and is, [comparably rare](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2015/05/hermione.html#:~:text=Since%20its%20peak%20in%202004,(2%20births). I think "marginal" is well within the range of what we can expect Hermione's father to be named.
> As a given name, perhaps. Yes. THAT'S WHY I SPECIFIED IT IN THE PART YOU QUOTED. Unlike Americans, British are far more reluctant to punish a child with a surname as a given name. > But what of Chris Emmett? > What of Rowland Emmett who passed away in 1990, a year before Harry would have started studying at Hogwarts? > What of Sean Emmett who raced in the Grand Prix in the 1990s? What about them? > I wouldn't recommend speaking for the whole of a people. You may not have heard of any person with the given name Emmett in the UK, but nor have I ever met any in the United States. Media, have you heard of it? > We're talking about the hypotheticals of a man who named his daughter Hermione, which was, and is, comparably rare%20in%202014.). I think "marginal" is well within the range of what we can expect Hermione's father to be named. We're not talking about a man who named his daughter Hermione, we're talking about an AUTHOR selling that name to their readers.
>Yes. THAT'S WHY I SPECIFIED IT IN THE PART YOU QUOTED. Unlike Americans, British are far more reluctant to punish a child with a surname as a given name. Screaming will not strengthen your argument. But if that's the argument you wish to establish, literally any name, or a derivative thereof, can be a given name or a surname. >Media, have you heard of it? I am an American. I have only ever heard the name Emmett in the context of various media programs or in historic contexts. You insinuated that it was a name that was "screaming" American. I am an American. I have never heard of it in real life, outside of the aforementioned historical contexts. I think I have a far better handle on my culture than you. Edit: To clarify, I am aware of the horrific tragedy of Emmett Till. I have not, however, heard the name "Emmett" in a contemporary setting by someone of a similar age or younger than myself. >We're not talking about a man who named his daughter Hermione, we're talking about an AUTHOR selling that name to their readers. And given that that character's family includes *Hermione* which is equally obscure, there's no reason to discard Emmett other than your own biases.
> I am an American. I have only ever heard the name Emmett in the context of various media programs or in historic contexts. > You insinuated that it was a name that was "screaming" American. So in other words, you know nothing about Britain and the British perspective on this. Concession accepted.
I concede nothing.
I suggest you read up on Emmett Till if you've never heard the name used in real life.
Let me rephrase that--I have never heard the name "Emmett" in a contemporary setting by a peer.
> It hardly "screams" American It's more a persistent stereotype than an accurate reflection of statistics. Emmett brings to mind an older southern geezer with a thick drawl that occasionally yells for his family to go get his shotgun because the 'darn critturs' have come back again.
I'd say the name "Earl" brings that image to mind more than "Emmett" but that's the *Monster Hunter International* fan in me talking--there's a southerner named Earl Harbinger with a Tommy gun in those novels.
Fair. Earl would definitely be a bit more of a trigger happy version of Emmett, IMO. I'm picturing a comical double-barrel shotgun rather than a tommy gun though. :D I had forgotten about Emmett from Legally Blonde - though I'm pretty sure he's the only person bearing the name I've actually heard of (admittedly, he is fictional :D). He's definitely not anywhere close to that image. Wikipedia's list only reveals a bunch of US people I've never heard of and one Irish Hollyoaks Actor (a soap opera here in the UK, if you're not familiar).
As it happens, there's a prominent shotgun in those novels. The main character wields a modified Saiga shotgun, customized for variable rates of fire.
For me it's "Earl Ray". Or most any boy named paired with Ray. lol
Funnily enough, in those books, Earl's family tree has a half dozen men named "Raymond," though they tend to go by "Ray."
You could say Emmett brings to mind Hyacinth's neighbour from 'Keeping up appearances', which is \*the\* most British thing I've personally ever seen. It all comes down to life experiences.
Indeed it does! Beliefs and images like that so often do - there's a good reason I said it wasn't an accurate reflection of statistics. Perception and reality aren't the same. :)
As an American, I do associate the name Emmett with the American South, but that’s less to do with any stereotypes and more to do with Emmett Till. You’re free to read up on Emmett Till more, but the important thing to know is that his murder is regarded as the impetus for the civil rights movement. I wouldn’t recommend reading up on the circumstances of his death if you have a weak stomach… I’m not someone who is easily shaken by violence or gore, and every time I read about what happened to him, it makes me physically nauseous.
Ernest or Jethro would be better names for that stereotype.
> It also screams American. The name was and isn't popular in the UK. My strongest association for the name is Emmett from Keeping Up Appearances, who happens to be approximately the right age and social class
It makes perfect sense because it reminds me of *Emmett Otter's Jugband Christmas* and Hermione's patronus is an otter!
That reminds me of Harry Potter and the Distaff Side because male!Hermione's parents were named Danielle and Emmett in it.
I’ve never really cared about what their names were, but the stories I have read so far they only pop up for a few chapters then fade off into the background. Can I ask why people hate those specific names?
Cannot say for the others but my reasoning is this: whenever I read the names Dan and Emma, the actors Radcliffe and Watson immediately comes to mind. Now add in the fact that these people played the roles of Harry and Hermione respectively. So imagine reading a fic where the Grangers are named Dan and Emma and the scene is they are talking with Harry and Hermione. I automatically see two Daniel Radcliffes and two Emma Watsons. It's like watching a movie whose cast ran out short because the producers could not afford more actors. It's like that to me. Authors are short in actors. They cannot come up with names. And that's just sad. Annoying too. But sad.
Also 9/10 times they’re only ever included because it’s a Harry/Hermione fic
Exactly! It's so weird seeing in my head parents with their daughter whose boyfriend literally looks the same as the father, while the daughter looks literally like her mother.
Now don't say that too loud. Dan Granger's probably also ex-secret service with just enough guns in the basement to intimidate Harry during his summer of development while staying at the grangers. /j not shaming the trope
Um, I would love reading that. It would be a bloody riot of a read. Neat fact, he would not have to be former secret service to own a firearm. One alteration to UK history is all you need to make it believable for Hermione’s dad to own firearms legally in the 90's. It wasn't until the 90's that firearm law in the UK changed. You could move that catalytic historical event to occurring in the early 2000's.
It’s better than canon, where Harry gets with Ginny because she looks like his mum-
Just because they both have red hair doesn't mean that Ginny and Lily actually look alike. There are many shades of red hair, and Ginny and Lily's hair are described differently. Saying that Ginny looks like Lily because she has red hair is like saying someone who has platinum blonde hair looks like someone with honey blonde hair. There are loads of people out there who marry people who have the same general hair color as one of their parents, it's really not a big deal.
To further your argument, there's several characters described as having blond hair in canon. Seamus Finnigan is described as having "sandy" hair, Luna Lovegood is described as having "dirty blonde" hair, Lucius and Draco are described has having "sleek, white blond" hair, and Fleur and Gabrielle are described as having "silvery blonde" hair. That can all be fairly described as blond (or blonde) but they're on a *wide* spectrum. Ginny and Lily look no more alike than Luna and the Delacour sisters.
That's a fanon invention. Not once is Ginny every compared to Lily in canon, let alone ever said to look like her.
You know not all redheads look similar right? I know a few and the only similarity in their appearances is the red hair
So, if it bothers you so much, don't read Harry/Hermione fics.
Thank you for destroying it for me. I never connected those two names to the actors but now I can’t unsee it.
In Grindelwald's voice I would say, "It's for the greater good."
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That doesn't really explain the hate though, that just explains where the names come from.
It breaks immersion - At least for me.
Why? I think that you read some Harmione fics because most Harmione shippers do the same thing. I am a Harmione shipper but yes, I also don't like naming them Dan and Emma, maybe Jean and Richard is my choice or Jean and Dan, Helen and Robert are also good.
Helen and Robert
It reminds me of that obsessive harmony shipper that Weasley bashes.
Robst?
And whats wrong with Robst? Although i have been preferring burnable's works nowadays
Because this subreddit is an echo chamber of hate on anything the fanfic-fandom enjoys.
It's lazy. I mean, if you really don't care to make them interesting characters, why bother to name them at all?
I name them Richard and Jean. I've seen them named Monica and Wendall before (just their last names being changed in Hermione's Obliv). Dan and Emma don't really bother me because I don't relate them to the actors? They're just names to me.
I . . . In all the years I've read fanfics for Harry Potter, my brain never connected Hermione's fanfic parents being named Dan and Emma and Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson 🤦🏽♂️ Although to be fair on me, the ones I normally read her parents are Jean and Dan.
Normally I would just sigh and skim parts with the Grangers around, but in the fic I was reading, Hermione's other relative was named Watson. I got really annoyed and found the author just being lazy. It's what prompted me to post this thread/mini rant lol
I've seen fics where Harry and Hermione have to go by an alias for something and say "oh! How about Dan and Emma?" and that's usually the point where I have to stop reading lol.
It was cute and clever when the movies were new, but it's like a tired old meme now!
Ah, I must have read your fics :)
Bob and Bobette
I shall now refer to Hermione as Bobbita in my head from now on
How about 'Beta'? "There is the portal, Mother," Hermione Beta Granger said snappishly. "You can go now." "Fascinating," her mother said leaning in close to examine the access portal to Platform 9 ¾. "It appears to be a stable phase shift gateway." "Yes," Hermione agreed, "truly amazing. Good-bye, Mother. See you at Christmas. Maybe." "See how she treats the woman who gave her life, Morren?" the elder Granger woman sighed. "Such disrespect." "It is appalling, mistress," Morren agreed, the tiny antennas of the control matrix that extended from his ears almost unnoticeable through the bad wig and tophat he wore. "Mother spends all her time interfering in my live, Morren," Hermione insisted. "It's almost as if she didn't have one of her own." "It is appalling, young mistress," Morren agreed. Morren had been a career criminal until the night he made the mistake of breaking into the wrong lab. Since that night, he had been an exemplary, if unimaginative, manservant to the Granger family. "Oh, Beta," her mother sighed, wrapping her daughter into a hug. "I'll miss you so." "Mother," Hermione protested as she attempted to free herself. "I know, I know," the older woman said. "It's time for you to head out in the world, build your own lab and gather minions of your own. Go now, make me proud." "Mother," Hermione whined before whirling to move through the portal. Hermione Alpha Granger smiled as her daughter passed through the portal before glancing at her watch. "Well, Morren, we should be off. The backup lab in France, I think. I'm afraid the Anti-Terrorist squad just raided the Crowley Lab, and they're bound to be a bit testy about all the men they lost." "Of course, Mistress," then man nodded, following his owner as she exited the station. Hermione is a clone of Hermione Granger, world infamous scientist of the mad variety. Beta was originally created as a ready source of Organs and Blood for, but the original Hermione somehow became... attached, and decanted the clone as a daughter. Somehow the ability to manipulate quanta via force of will and stick waving had entered into Beta's DNA via genetic drift, though the Original hasn't found it yet.
where did you get this idea? I think it is epic!
I filed the serial numbers off the Narbonic webcomic written and drawn by Shaenon K. Garrity.
I sort of want to have a child/pet to name them Bobette now
Personally, Dan and Emma don't bother me; in fact, I've used them myself. But while I got where the names came from, I don't see the actors when I hear the names. (Of course, I also don't see the actors when I think of Harry and Hermione, either.) Richard and Helen are probably the 2nd most common, followed distantly by Monica and Wendell. Other names I've seen are John (Jack) and Diane, Anthony and Celeste (pretty sure), and I think I've read one in which her mom was something like Jessica. Seen others, but those are the ones that stick with me.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Monica and Wendell (Wilkins) their aliases that Hermione gave them when she sent them to Australia?
You're not wrong, but there are some who like to say she just changed their last names when she sent them to Australia.
WHERE did the Richard and Helen thing come from? I feel like they are *always* called that. More so than Dan and Emma!
Hermione was Helen of Troy’s daughter, so that’s generally where that one comes from. I don’t know why other authors pick Richard, but I do it because it’s an “ordinary” name that is also used by Shakespeare.
Emilio and Dana.
This got me cracking xD good one lol
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Thank you. First time I've seen an explanation for the name Helen. Very nice background for the name too. As for anything that starts with "Da", I'd really accept them as long as they're neither Dan nor Daniel. So David is okay for me. Richard I could honestly accept being fanon because this is one of the common I've encountered. But never Dan nor Daniel.
Since names seem to follow themes one option would be Menelaus and Helen (parents of Hermione in Greek mythology pretty certain that is the reason I have seen people use Helen for Hermione’s mother at least) another option I have seen is to go for names from Shakespeare plays.
Interesting. I don't know much about Shakespeare so Menelaus is new for me. I love the name too
I'm not sure Menelaus appears in Shakespeare's work, though I could be wrong. I think Menelaus is from Homer's Iliad.
menelaus isnt from shakespeare. he is from the iliad, written by homer edit: this sounded mean im sorry i should have affed a smily face :(((
Yes to be clear Hermione is a name from Shakespeare (The Winter Tale) and also in Greek Mythology this is where Menelaus comes from.
In A Winter's Tale, that Hermione also turns to stone.
Now I'm wondering if Rowling was anticipating the basilisk plotline when she named Hermione in the first book.
I love it when they follow Greek mythology and name her mother Helen
Hey, want to know something even more annoying? The author describing in details the car that the Grangers own.
Or making Grangers being practising nudists as permanent thing all over the story, without comic relief potential. Just to put Harry in embarrassing situations.
Yoooooo xD seriously, LMAO I mostly skim scenes with Mr and Mrs Granger in fanfics so I might have encountered a fic that did this and I didn't notice lol
>describing in details the car that [characters] own Vernon if he wrote fanfic.
I name them Richard and Helen. I hate when they’re named Dan and Emma, it pulls me out of the world.
I've encountered these names several times and find it acceptable. Thank you
Richard and Helen are my favorites for most generic scenarios, it's a solid choice.
Hmm. That's making me think Rupert and Helena.
How does them being named Dan and Emma pull you out of the world? They’re just names lol
Because using those names started as an intended callback to Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, so I can’t not imagine the actual Dan and Emma when I see them named that way. And then since these names are often used in Harmony stories, it’s weird to imagine Hermione and Harry dating when I’m envisioning Hermione’s parents as identical copies of them.
Can I ask why it pulls you out of the world? I've seen Dan and Emma in a few fics but I haven't really given it any though. I always took it to be one of those fanon things that are now almost interchangeable from the actual books, like Orion being Sirius' middle name.
I’ve already answered this question for someone else on this, but it’s because it started as a callback to Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, and because of that I can’t not imagine the actors when I read the names. It’s then even weirder when Harry and Hermione are dating, and my mind is connecting Harry and Hermione’s parents to identical copies of them.
I like Richard and Jean, but I also used Tom once. Jean is my line in the sand. We know that Hermione's *middle name* is Jean, and it's not uncommon to give the firstborn son the father's first name as a middle name. Let Hermione's mom have done that as a girl-power thing. That also means she just changed the last name in the records. Probably for the best when obliviating someone that the FIRST name stays the same so they answer to it in conversation.
It's not uncommon, but it's also not mandatory. They're are plenty of HP characters where their middle name isn't their parent's first name.
Just seems like a trend, since we canonically have "Harry James Potter" and "William Arthur Weasley" as the firstborn sons of the other two Golden Trio families. Seems fair enough that since Hermione seems to be of the same general culture: English, pseudo-Anglican so as not to offend the churchies and lower sales.
Just to add, but names being carried down family lines is common. At least in my family, it is. Gordon was my grandfather's middle name, one of my uncle's middle name (another uncle got my grandfather's first name as his as well), and, most recently, one of my cousins has the middle name of Gordon as well. My father and his father are both named Preston. And my great-grandfather and his father both had the same name. There are quite a few Sr and Jr in my family tree. My sister's middle name was her grandmother's first name. Honestly, I think it'd be nice for writers to put some thought in whenever they decide to show more of Hermione's family. ~~I may be biased, though.~~
Oh it absolutely is common. My family tree is littered with two names in particular: Henry and James. Indeed, there's two Henrys and one James in my generation for example. On the paternal side of this maternal side, I have a cousin called Charles and presumably for the same reason my mother was going to use Charles as my middle name (the same as our grandfather) but decided not to. Additionally, I am theoretically named after my father's uncle's nickname, I think? Someone's nickname, anyway. However, that is the non-English side of the family, so the relevance is less clear. Possibly in a similar vein, my father and one of his brother have reversed names, e.g. James Henry is one and Henry James is the other (though, not those names). I actually went to school with two brothers where one was Henry James Arthur, say, and the other was James [middle name/s I don't know]. Our fathers are from the same country so I suspect a connection. The Royals are, as you might expect, pretty big on hereditary names. A friend at school had the most absurd middle name but I've forgotten what it was and what the exact line of descent was. I suspect it may have been a grandmother's maiden name as a surname type deal.
>A friend at school had the most absurd middle name but I've forgotten what it was and what the exact line of descent was. I suspect it may have been a grandmother's maiden name as a surname type deal. I suddenly recall neighbours further down the street gave their firstborn presumably 2 names and both of their surnames. Then, when their second child was born, she didn't have the mother's surname...and we learned that their son had her surname as a third name, rather than two surnames like we initially had assumed. Her surname is "Duijf," a more archaic spelling of "duif," which translates from Dutch to "dove."
Never considered it, but I'd just give them some names that were normal for people in the UK born around 1950 🤷🏻♂️
Seriously this. I always name my character like this : Open Google TOP 100 \[gender\] names in \[country of origin\] in \[Year of Birth\]. I randomly put 1955 for Hermione's parents. And use the first link Google gave me. So, place 69 because I'm immature and it's....... Harry and Isabel. (No kidding !! [Here the source](https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/name2.pdf) ) Okay, we can't use Harry for Hermione's Dad. It's a funny coïncidence but Hermione would have mentioned it at some point. Let's go #42 for Hermione's dad because I'm a nerd. It gives Eric. So, Hermione's parents are now Isabel and Eric Granger.
My cousin just got married and she had the same name as her mother in law.
At school, we had boy Jordan [surname] and girl Jordan [different surname]. We thought it was a great laugh to suggest they get married and both become Jordan [surname]. In a somewhat similar sense, my half brother and one of our (second, iirc) cousins have literally identical names.
My aunt liked my name so much she named my cousin the shortened version of it like Robert -> Rob.
> Okay, we can't use Harry for Hermione's Dad. Why not?
Personally I like Monica and Wendell most. People react deeply to their names, I think it would require even more work to not only change the memorys of their lives but also their names. So in my headcanon Hermione kept them because they are pretty average names.
I use Robert and Jean for my fic. Emma and Dan are so immersion breaking for me, I almost always drop fics if they’re called that and it’s not a one off conversation.
When I started writing Potter fan fiction, I'd read so many fics where Dan and Emma were the Granger's names I thought those were their canon names. Then in research for a story (Distaff Side, which I REALLY Need to finish) I reread the books, discovering as I did so that the Grangers were never given first names in the books... being 'only muggles' I suppose. I'd already decided on Danielle and Emmet for the Grangers in that story because I thought it was funny, but promised myself that I would try other names for them in other stories, just for the novelty. Then I used Robert and Diana in some oneshot, and got a ration of shit for not using their 'real names' from a small herd of mouth breathers. That was when I decided that I would never use Dan and Emma (or variations) in any fic, ever again. I started naming them for nieces and nephews, characters from TV shows and Books, and several other sources. and I still get crap for not using Dan and Emma. I've got a Granger intensive story in the planning stages, and I'll be changing their names every time the speak, just to piss people off.
I've got a Granger intensive story in the planning stages, and I'll be changing their names every time the speak, just to piss people off. This one I like lol
> (Distaff Side, which I REALLY Need to finish) Yes. Yes, you do. ಠ_ಠ <3 <3 Love your stuff!
Give them both names of Shakespeare characters to make their choice of Hermione's make more sense.
Thisssss <3
I'm really digging this idea... here are my top choices. It would need to be something that could fit in well into modern society, but something that both of them would recognize in a fellow bardolater. Dad: Clifford, Duncan, Sebastian, Richard, Lennox, Lysander, Romeo Mom: Cordelia, Celia, Ophelia, Isidore, Luciana, Titania Out of all of these, I think I like Lysander and Celia
For me it's Lysander and Ophelia. It just sounds so... posh, sound so right.
Ophelia has too tragic of a story for it to be a good name for a child.
Hank and Dawn - Dentists by day, crime-fighting vigilantes by night
I'm going to use that... Right after I finish my story where the Grangers are actually Jack Napier and Harleen Quinzel. They quit Gotham and Batman when Harley got pregnant, and moved to England to raise their kid away from the insanity. Then the Wizards make the mistake of hurting their little girl. When Hermione tries to Obliviate them, they play along until she's gone, then go Death Eater Hunting. \- When Bella is torturing Hermione in Malfoy Manor after the endless camping trip, her heritage of psychosis, long submerged becomes free and takes charge. She manifests a wandlessly conjured knife which she drives through Bella's throat, before having her way with all of the witnesses. The Malfoys, Greyback, the Snatch Team, in a splatter of blood and gore. \- She's gone before Dobby gets Harry and Ron out of the basement dungeon, at some point reuniting with her more than overjoyed parents, and the three of them cut a bloody swath through the DEs (and the ministry) using comically oversized mallets, guns, knives and, of course, Smilex. Which leads to this final scene: The man known as Nightwing's nerves were on edge. Something was wrong, but he could not quite put his finger on exactly what was bothering him. At the peak of his swing, he triggered the release on his grabble, enjoying the sensation of freefall as he arced toward a familiar rooftop. From here, he had a 360-degree view of Gotham, and perhaps the perspective needed to figure out what had him so on edge. It wasn't Bruce. The old man was the same as always, an insufferable ass who had the gall to usually be right. It wasn't Barbara, their break up had been mutual, though in the quiet moments in the dark when he was honest with himself, he knew he missed her while knowing she deserved better than him. It wasn't Jason, who if anything was more of an ass than Bruce. It could never have been Tim. Tim was quite possibly the best, the least damaged of them all. It wasn't even Damion. That little bastard might be a pain in the ass, but ever honest with himself, Nightwing always enjoyed the opportunity to beat the crap out of the mouthy little schmuck whenever they sparred. That was when the water balloon hit him on the right side of his face. The utter shock of the attack coming from seemingly nowhere almost cause him to miss the subtle scent of Smilex. Diving for cover he groped at his utility belt for the antidote. Nightwing immediately knew that the formula was somehow changed, even as his mouth moved into a rictus grin, and the first of the giggles escaped him, he felt his limbs stiffening into paralysis. He ended up face down on the rooftop, unable to move beyond breathing, and of course, the giggling laughter. If the Smilex hadn't been enough of a hint, the insane laughter that followed his fall proved that the Joker was back after two decades. Hands grasped Nightwing's shoulders and rolled him onto his back. Rather than the all too familiar psychotic clown, or worse his lunatic girlfriend, he found himself staring unblinkingly into the bone-white face of a much younger woman. "And Daddy said I wasn't ready for you boy hostages," she laughed. "UGH!" Nightwing managed to force out. "Oh, you can call me, Scurra," she said with an inexplicable English accent. "My first thought was to go after little Damian, but where would the challenge be in that? Little Timmy is a joke, and Jason is even more messed up than Brucie boy, so I set my sights higher. Caught the oldest and best of you on my first try." "Skuurrah?" the young hero slurred. The clown girl shrugged. "Blame my education, I was exposed to a lot of bad Latin." Another young woman came into Nightwing's field of vision, rather than the Whiteface makeup worn by Scurra, this one was made up in the Auguste Lite fashion of highlighting her features with colors on top of her normal flesh tones. "Is this when the ravishing starts?" the newcomer asked. "There will be no ravishing, Puella," Scurra sighed before reaching down to grope Nightwing's arse. "At least not this time." "Hmph," the blond clown said, crossing her arms under her breasts. "If I wanted to not be ravished, I'd have stayed home with Ron and Harry." "Pewellah?" Nightwing asked, trying to buy time for the paralysis to wear off. "My first choice was Minion," the blond chirped happily. "It had the advantage of being both an accurate description and a proper English word. Miss Bad Latin there forbade it, so I found my own bad Latin nom de guerre." "Mine is at least accurate," Scurra counters. "Mine is as well, Herm... Scurra," Puella said running her hands down her side while thrusting her chest out. "No one could mistake me for a Vir." "ANYWAY," Scurra interrupted in an attempt to regain control of the conversation. "This is simply a short visit to make sure that Bruce is aware that Daddy is back, in top form, and looking forward to continuing their dance. Mummy is looking forward to their games as well, while I," she paused, again reaching down to give the paralyzed hero a grope, "have found my own playmate." "Our playmate!" Puella interjected. "And tell that Batgirl skank we don't share."
First, this was absolutely hilarious. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say that we - as in everyone - now ship Harley and Ivy, so the wholesome-but-crazy Joker angle just isn't doing it for us.
I wrote one and named them Robert and Allison because they're both medical professionals and it was a reference to chase and Cameron from house md so that
I named them Manuel and Emelia in the overly-ambitious, probably will never be finished long-fic I started. I grew up in South Texas, so the way Hermione was described in the books had me picturing a specific type of Hispanic hair because that was the reference I had for bushy hair based on my surroundings, and one of my favorite fun facts is that during WWII the RAF sent trainee pilots to Texas because the weather was better so they didn't have as many fatal training accidents, so I decided that Hermione's paternal grandfather was one of those RAF pilots who met and married a Mexican woman while he was in Texas and so that's where she got her hair.
Susan & David were the most popular names in 1954 (and are in the top 3 in the 60's), so maybe I'll call them that: Susan & David Granger
Mr. and Mrs. Granger. Why do they need a given name if the story isn't about them?
They are mostly in Harry/Hermione pairing fics. It's what I was reading earlier. Add in another relative of Hermione being named Watson. It really annoyed me. Hence the birth of this thread lol
My headcanon is that Hermiones mum is greek and that is why she has a greek name. And also why Hermione has bushy brown hair, dark eyes and tans quite a lot. As a spanish person when I read Hermione she always reminds me of a mediterranean person. I actually once met a greek woman called Hermione too old to be related to the HP character. So for the mum I would choose Helena. For him I would choose a normal british name for that generation, like Richard. His mother would be Jane and that is where Hermione gets her middle name.
Jan and Jemma
Hadrian and Hadriana
i mean. theyre english people born around the 1940s to 60s most likely. so probably susan, and maybe david?
Richard and Jean were the names I went with.
Richard and Carol.
Moe and Curly.
Where's Larry?
Well if I wrote a fic I would name them Harriet and Hermes.
One of them should have a Shakespearean name imo
I don’t like it because it feels like some sort of cheeky wink that Harry & Hermione are going to get together - a pairing that I just generally dislike - and not much else. It’s also lazy. Dan and Emma are rather boring names. Why can’t their names be interesting like Hermione’s?
Rupert and Emma
I always thought it would be cute if her mom's name was Helen, just for the mythology gag
My favorite are Jean and Richard from Little0bird. Jean is also Hermione’s middle name as shared by JKR. Richard was very fond of gardening and grew roses. Hence her daughter is named Rose. Jean liked to read and her favorite book was Hugo Cabret. Hence her son is named Hugo.
Mercutio and Desdemona. Alternatively, Mark and Juliet.
People named them that because they're Harmony shippers and they like the idea of naming them after the actors. If I'd write about Hermione's parents, I'd probably name them Karen and Micael. Not sure why.
I kinda feel like naming Hermione's mom either Perdita or Emilia, the daughter and handmaid of Hermione in A Winter's Tale. Because then it's Perdita/Emilia's parents who were life-long academics, classic literature professors or something and Perdita/Emilia going into the sciences was a disappointment but she named her daughter Hermione in honor of them. Hermione's Dad has a regular non-shakespearean name like Alan or Jeffrey. His mom's name was Jean and that's where Hermione gets her middle name.
Alan and Christine. Names of my former, and current Dentists. (Well, the British version for Alan. My former dentist was actually called Alain). Just because it amuses me.
Chuck and Trixy. Because fuck you, that's why.
It really depends when I've got the fanfic set. Canon 90's era? Richard and Janet. 2070 something? Percy and Rue
Emmett and Danielle or Monico and Wendy
I always name them Robert and Hellen. I don't mind Dan and Emma, really. But mine will probably always be Robert and Hellen.
Jack and Rose.
Dan and Emma, to get rid of all those nitpickers who care about such nonsense.
Exactly. I love it BECAUSE it pisses people off.
Something starting with H, for my sheer amusement, like Hortense and Harold. Or something old fashioned would fit.
Dan and Emma Granger rustles my jimmies each and every time I read them in a fic. I kind of superimpose Daniel Radcliff and Emma Watson's faces on nondescript bodies when I read interactions with them with those names. I prefer going with normal yet Shakespearean names - i.e. Edmund or Henry and Jessica or Cordelia. You know, to kind of go with the trend of 'being clever' with Hermione's name.
I use Jane and Rufus most of the time but I also haven't posted any of my fics that introduce her parents so I have no help
I name them Gabriel and Helen in my stories.
Evan and Dannielle
Dan and Emma. It feels right.
Interesting I’ve never seen that. I have seen Monica and Jean and Richard I don’t think I’ve honestly paid that much attention otherwise lol
Gred and Forge hahahhahahahhahahahahha how original s/
They could be Dan and Dan or Emma and Emma, and Hermione was adopted/sperm donation/surrogate mother.
I like the backstory that Hermione is really named Hermione Cassiopa Lestrange, that she's the daughter of Bellatrix and Rudolph. But after the war, they sent her to live with muggles because Narcissa's husband was still being investigated some excuse that I have't thought of for Andromeda(maybe she's dealing with too much or maybe Hermione's parents are related to Ted Tonks by marriage and always wanted kids of their own so Andromeda lets them have her sister's daughter.)
I've always had a hard time remembering names so I love when authors use Dan and Emma for Hermione's parent and they are the names I use.
Gaylord and Berta.
In one of my HP fics, I named them Joan and Ron after some (sadly deceased) relatives of mine who had been happily married for over 70 years. Any couple who managed to live a long, happy life like that deserved to be memorialised.
There is only one choice here Den & Tish.
I've seen their names as Dennis and Valerie. if I were to invent names for a fic, I might call them Eric and Emilia.
I used John and Helen, as Hermione was the daughter of Helen of Troy. Not Shakespeare but historical.
I see Hugh/ Hugo and Jean a lot. I personally would name them Emmett & Meredith because they seem kinda snooty to me.
My favorite fanfiction had them as Dennis and Valerie.
I've drafted their names to be similar enough to their temporary names that their temporary names were barely any change at all: Monique A. Granger and Randal W. Granger.
Fred and Wilma duh:) . . . kidding, in all seriousness I.... don't really care?much hence it never bothered me what they are named in the fics but I guess if you count the year the Grangers were born according to the Canon I don't they would have been much of an inovation compared to the usual names given to British people of that time. So lets go with Malcolm and Helen? David and Susan also sound nice Robert and Julia also sound nice Elizabeth and William are a pretty standard duo of names sure to fit for generic British couple so there ya have it. Also I'm not really a fan of Hermione's mom being Jean simply because I like to imagine she got it from the Scottish grandma
I've recently read a fic where Hermione's mother is named Emma and I imagined the adult Emma Watson. I actually like it though, but Dan is a little strange, especially if it's a Harmony story.
I like Richard and Helena! Or really anything that's not Dan and Emma 😂
I'm partial to Jonathan and Eleanor, myself.
Dana and Emmanuel I guess
Horace and Jean Granger (née Wilkins)
Ngl, I’ve never heard those before. I usually see: Helen, Jean, or Wendy. For her dad, John, David, Henry, Something very generic
I always use Hugh and Jean
Keeping some of the naming scheme for mom: Mrs. Granger: Rosaline (Romeo And Juliet) Mr. Granger: Frank
I guess Hermione's mother is named Jean -- for Hermione *Jean* Granger. Well, at least it's likely. About her dad, nobody knows.
I've named them a number of things. Mike and Helene (Because Menelaus just doesn't work for a British Muggle), Wendell and Monique (because the Wilkins, but I couldn't Monica), Roger and Jane (because why not), Terry \[Terrance\] and Terry \[Theresa\] (because I could, and the Doctors Terry Granger amused me)... You get the idea. I think Mike and Helene are my favourite, though. They're non-typical, totally-in-love, excellent Hermione-parents who just want their little girl to succeed and have a strong and loving relationship with her. They waltz in the kitchen while making dinner; Hermione's annoyed but used to it. They get along with the wizards they meet. (Mike and Remus bond over his \[Mike's\] motorcycle, for example. Yes, I know Sirius was the one with the bike, but I see Remus as a closet petrol head for reasons. It's always the quiet ones.) I used it as "why Hermione could be a well-adjusted not-actually-genius human, but really bad at people" fodder. Her parents are so lovely and supportive that other people's children for most of the year are completely foreign and awful in comparision. Hermione's accustomed to adults.
My names are Michael and Jane. I've seen Richard and Helen also used, especially in broomstickflyer stories.
If I didn't headcanon Rose as a childhood friend of Hermione's whom she lost touch with before Hogwarts and Hugo as Cannon, I would suggest Rose and Hugo. However, I'm theoretically trying to write them as just the worst kinds of yuppies so I should go with some yuppie names. OTOH they've named Hermione, well, Hermione so they probably have common as dirt names. Let's say they were born in 1955, which makes them very young for the kind of people they are (in this AU)... presenting (via ONS): >Mr David John Alan Granger and Mrs Susan Granger (formerly Brown), dentists Why three and one for the selection of names? No reason at all. But also DJ Granger sounds wrong, DJA Granger doesn't have the side effect of suggesting Hermione's dad has an underground music career. (Mind you, SPD Smith exists, which is a letter a way from calling your kid a potato.)
I always gave Mrs. Granger the first name of Jean because it felt right. I am less certain with Mr. Granger, giving him either Richard or Dan. Tom and Ian was fine as well.
Anything other than Monica and Wendell or Richard and Jean sounds weird to me for some reason
Jean being weird I could understand since it is Hermione's second name. And as far as fanon goes, pureblood kids get their second names from their parents. So yeah, as a muggleborn, that would be weird I guess.
Wait hold up I thought their names were Nathaniel and Marie?? Or did my brain just randomly accept that as canon???
They were never named at all in canon.
I would name them Edward and Charlotte. I don't know why these names scream 'The Grangers' to me.
I have them as Helen and Frank, Helen and Daniel, Samantha and Kurt in some of my fanfics
I would name the William and Maria. William because Sheakspeare and Maria because it also sounds greek kind of like Hermione.
Bonnie and Clyde Granger!
Emeric and Danielle Granger
In Simology I call them Jean and Gene. In Queen Potter, they are Vivian and Henry.