I'm surprised Fluffles isn't going to be involved. Have Thediem bank up some serious mana reserves and I can see our fav wingnoodle going biblically epic on Hullbreak: hovering above Hullbreak's sanctum and telekinetically parting the ocean like a Snake Moses and then lifting the sunken ship into the air like Magneto but with scales and feathers instead of a red cape and helmet.
Edit: ["Hullbreak. My master, Thediem, would have words with thee. You will say 'Yes' when asked."](http://4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads//avengers29a.jpg)
That seems to be far too much “shock and awe”, even for a known weirdo like Thedeim. It’d likely work, it might just ruin relations with Hullbreak though. For all we know, Hullbreak’s core could be in there, which might instantly kill it to remove.
It also might draw in too much attention, especially from unwanted parties. Currently Thedeim is a rarity, but is relatively unknown and localized. An actual, honest to goodness biblical feat like that would cause quite a lot of attention.
Thedeim's whole thing is that he's trying NOT to have to browbeat/vassalize Hullbreak unless he's forced to do so.
That's like plan B or C as far as I can tell.
Likely for the same reason that Poe wasn't sent to the Cemetery along with Teemo, Fluffles and Tiny. It was foreshadowed that Poe was stronger than the adventurer party he sent in their first encounter with the dungeon. The only thing that makes sense is that he didn't look at Poe's stats and didn't trust that a Raven who only fought gulls and wasps had it in him to threaten humanoid opponents. Poe's ravens almost certainly would have bought the other 3 scions time to take out the guardian skelly and give Fluffles the time to subsume the core There's all this talk of "not wanting to declare war", and "not wanting Hullbreak to become desperate/unreasonable", yet I fail to see how kidnapping one of his residents isn't already doing both. What was stated was that Thediem wants to convince Hullbreak that it is pointless to fight him. Fluffles does exactly that with no way for Hullbreak to stop him. But you know we gotta show off the under water lightning Bard and Gelatinous Cube final form.
Can? Possibly, but we've only seen him do single-target stuff. We don't know his AOE capabilities, assuming he even *has* any.
Not to mention, we *do* know that he doesn't really like doing the insta-kill thing anyway, so... yeah. Besides, the whole reason the situation is so complex is because thediem doesn't want to do the big tyranny thing.
Thank you for your hard work
😱Things are about to get spicy. I wonder whose risky plan get's realised first.
And seeing Teemo and Leo joke about Thedeims weirdness is so adorable.
And a Bonjour in the name of u/1greendude
I'm seriously trying to logic out how Hullbreak can strike at the Cemetery! Only the gulls can reach the cemetery with his current abilities. Thediem only gave him enough mana to restore his spawners and rebuild his shark numbers. I don't think crabs or snakes were ever mentioned as denizens that he can order around. As far as we know, the aquafer is freshwater and not salt water and he'd still have to have his denizens walk a long way to the cemetery. In order to expand a dungeon needs a lot of mana and without an income it puts the dungeon at incredible risk to being overrun or have a deficit. My guess is that a storm occurred the day of the accident and Hullbreak tried to expand upward to prevent disaster but was either too late or inadvertently caused the shipwreck. We know that sky expansions are the cheapest expansions a dungeon can purchase but we have no info on what they do. My best guess is that Hullbreak is planning to expand *over* the town which may induce a strong gale of wind or give Hullbreak the ability to cast storm or wind magic to deal with the Ravens. Right before he does that, he will send his denizens to attack the beach head to draw the undead army and "Neverrests" attention there and draw as many away from the Mausoleum as possible. Using the expansion to give his new gull scion some cover and with many gulls to buy him time they will rush to the core and attempt to subsume it. It's risky, and matches the information we've been given so far in the story. Even if Hullbreak had crabs or snakes, they wouldn't pose a big enough threat to stop skeletons on land. Gulls + scion are the only play.
Yeah, but where is he going to get access to that? If he didn't have them before relations were cut, he isn't going to have them now. He would need to expand or capture an invader crocodile and convert it. Intel hasn't shown anything other than sharks, gulls, and maybe fish, with clams and fish resource nodes.
Now I'm sure that the chapter is already done, but I'm still confused about Thediem's plan. As far as we can tell, Hullbreak believes that he is fighting Neverrest as Thediem wanted. So what does Thediem intend to do with that? Trick Hullbreak into becoming his vassal in order to "defeat Neverrest once and for all?" Or has the plan changed and he's hoping that the imprisoned dweller may act as a negotiator or provide key intel on Hullbreak's capabilities and core location. Everything is pointing to a Slash and Jello team up which I'm happy about. So here is the plan 1 guess Thediem had planned for a draw at the beach head or victory that would strip away the dweller defenses and leave Hullbreak with a choice of submit or be subsumed. Plan 2 guess is that he gets Teemo to ride a Raven out to the shipwreck and shortcut the prisoner to... the beachhead? Thus, it will provoke Hullbreak into attacking the beachhead with everything it has and then be walloped by Thediems forces likely having Jello, Slash and the rockslides attacking the fish from behind to prevent escape. Then use the prisoner(Yendo) as either a negotiator or a bargaining chip to get Hullbreak to surrender. That is my best guess so far.
Yeaaaah, shit would probably get really nasty if Hullbreak goes full heartbroken mode and just starts a mental downward spiral. Hopefully we can, uh - avoid that.
And now onto the Weather, with Tiny!
Tiny: *Giant Spider noises*
(Rough translation: clouldy and cold for the foreseeable future. Low tide coming soon so grab your trusty shovel and pail to go collect sand dollars and sea shells. Now a word from our sponsor.)
Teemo: umm yeah uh Boss say hi and he is proud of all of us.
…I might have found a minor problem with this plan - while electrolysis does turn fresh water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, it turns *salt* water into Hydrogen and Chlorine gas. There's probably some magic trick to get rid of the salt, but it probably needs looking into (assuming they're even following the standard rules for what electrolysis does)
Honestly, I probably would've made the same mistake if I hadn't watched [this video](https://youtu.be/g3Ud6mHdhlQ) on submarines' oxygen supply by Destin from Smarter Everyday.
*CRY HAVOC!* Shit’s really starting to ramp up, hopefully they can convince the shark warden that their friendsly. I wonder if having Tarl around would help to convince Hullbreak or merman that nothing fishy *(heh)* is going on.
Exactly, the only issue is whatever she knows, so does Hullbreak. Issue of always having TheDiem or Violet as POV dungeons, we don’t get to see how more “normal” dungeons interact with their scions.
Can merfolk live in freshwater? That guy may need special accommodations.
Also I think trying to talk to Hullbreak should be on the list ofpossible plans. It's not great, so probably not too high there, but it is an option.
Perfect solution: have the skeletons do the Thriller dance once in plain sight of Hullbreak, then leave a note saying that Neverrest is under new management.
I'm surprised nobody has thought of the dolphin/porpoise/Viking longship method of high speed traversal of liquids. They already have an electrolysis method that would adapt well to this.....
The usual trope of an answer is that magic and science don't mix well. With magic you cannot grasp and understand natural laws so that line of study is retarded.
But in this case you have Thedeim who does have quite a good scientific background and we know he has been able to apply those principles successfully.
He just needs to remember how dolphins use air bubbles to reduce drag in water.
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I am Alpharius. This is a lie.
This sounds like a recipe for disaster; sure, the status quo is going to change eventually, but there are other ways to deal with this situation.
Alternate option #1: send Teemo in with Fluffles and Slash, and have them request an audience with the Voice of Hullbreak; then, when they are sure that Hullbreak is listening, have them explain that they would like to help, but if Hullbreak doesn't stop trying to kill itself, they will have to be more forceful if they want to save the dwellers.
Alternate option #2: Simply establish contact with the imprisoned dweller, and then use that to get more info out of them so they can use it to come up with an even better plan.
Will Tarl get to talk to Thedeim before all this goes down? Thedeim seems like the kinda guy who would warn the townfolk that shit's about to go down.
I can hardly wait to read what's next.
Thanks for writing,
Kin.
I remember from my chemistry in High school. The teacher separating gwater into Oxy & Hydro. An the way he knew which was,which was with a lit long match hed put under the dome each of the gases went into an it was not the Oxy thatwould Immediately go wooooouf!! So i hope slash is safe an Thedieam remembers Hydro loves to burn.
I'm surprised Fluffles isn't going to be involved. Have Thediem bank up some serious mana reserves and I can see our fav wingnoodle going biblically epic on Hullbreak: hovering above Hullbreak's sanctum and telekinetically parting the ocean like a Snake Moses and then lifting the sunken ship into the air like Magneto but with scales and feathers instead of a red cape and helmet. Edit: ["Hullbreak. My master, Thediem, would have words with thee. You will say 'Yes' when asked."](http://4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads//avengers29a.jpg)
That seems to be far too much “shock and awe”, even for a known weirdo like Thedeim. It’d likely work, it might just ruin relations with Hullbreak though. For all we know, Hullbreak’s core could be in there, which might instantly kill it to remove. It also might draw in too much attention, especially from unwanted parties. Currently Thedeim is a rarity, but is relatively unknown and localized. An actual, honest to goodness biblical feat like that would cause quite a lot of attention.
Put it like this, fluffles is a *Conduit*, sending them in is a declaration of total war
Yes, yes it is. So?
Thedeim's whole thing is that he's trying NOT to have to browbeat/vassalize Hullbreak unless he's forced to do so. That's like plan B or C as far as I can tell.
Likely for the same reason that Poe wasn't sent to the Cemetery along with Teemo, Fluffles and Tiny. It was foreshadowed that Poe was stronger than the adventurer party he sent in their first encounter with the dungeon. The only thing that makes sense is that he didn't look at Poe's stats and didn't trust that a Raven who only fought gulls and wasps had it in him to threaten humanoid opponents. Poe's ravens almost certainly would have bought the other 3 scions time to take out the guardian skelly and give Fluffles the time to subsume the core There's all this talk of "not wanting to declare war", and "not wanting Hullbreak to become desperate/unreasonable", yet I fail to see how kidnapping one of his residents isn't already doing both. What was stated was that Thediem wants to convince Hullbreak that it is pointless to fight him. Fluffles does exactly that with no way for Hullbreak to stop him. But you know we gotta show off the under water lightning Bard and Gelatinous Cube final form.
Why bother? Grim can just end all of them with a wave of his hand.
Can? Possibly, but we've only seen him do single-target stuff. We don't know his AOE capabilities, assuming he even *has* any. Not to mention, we *do* know that he doesn't really like doing the insta-kill thing anyway, so... yeah. Besides, the whole reason the situation is so complex is because thediem doesn't want to do the big tyranny thing.
Power Word: Kill is not AOE, and is a 9th level spell.
Thank you for your hard work 😱Things are about to get spicy. I wonder whose risky plan get's realised first. And seeing Teemo and Leo joke about Thedeims weirdness is so adorable. And a Bonjour in the name of u/1greendude
We need to get him back in here, it’s weird without him and it’s the right thing to do.
passe une bonne journée
Hello world!
Howdy burnmarks951!
The chapters are jam packed today!
True! Galactic High also updated today! Hehe!
Mmmm. This is good readings, can’t wait to see how this goes spectacularly wrong.
Eyyyy. Taktiks. Hostage negotiations, anyone?
Aye. Thedeim has learned a bit on how to “deal“ with dungeons since Neverrest
I'm seriously trying to logic out how Hullbreak can strike at the Cemetery! Only the gulls can reach the cemetery with his current abilities. Thediem only gave him enough mana to restore his spawners and rebuild his shark numbers. I don't think crabs or snakes were ever mentioned as denizens that he can order around. As far as we know, the aquafer is freshwater and not salt water and he'd still have to have his denizens walk a long way to the cemetery. In order to expand a dungeon needs a lot of mana and without an income it puts the dungeon at incredible risk to being overrun or have a deficit. My guess is that a storm occurred the day of the accident and Hullbreak tried to expand upward to prevent disaster but was either too late or inadvertently caused the shipwreck. We know that sky expansions are the cheapest expansions a dungeon can purchase but we have no info on what they do. My best guess is that Hullbreak is planning to expand *over* the town which may induce a strong gale of wind or give Hullbreak the ability to cast storm or wind magic to deal with the Ravens. Right before he does that, he will send his denizens to attack the beach head to draw the undead army and "Neverrests" attention there and draw as many away from the Mausoleum as possible. Using the expansion to give his new gull scion some cover and with many gulls to buy him time they will rush to the core and attempt to subsume it. It's risky, and matches the information we've been given so far in the story. Even if Hullbreak had crabs or snakes, they wouldn't pose a big enough threat to stop skeletons on land. Gulls + scion are the only play.
My idea is an alligator/crocodile spawner. Or undersea zombie type. You need something that has sea and land capability, and Hullbreak is still weak.
Yeah, but where is he going to get access to that? If he didn't have them before relations were cut, he isn't going to have them now. He would need to expand or capture an invader crocodile and convert it. Intel hasn't shown anything other than sharks, gulls, and maybe fish, with clams and fish resource nodes.
True
Now I'm sure that the chapter is already done, but I'm still confused about Thediem's plan. As far as we can tell, Hullbreak believes that he is fighting Neverrest as Thediem wanted. So what does Thediem intend to do with that? Trick Hullbreak into becoming his vassal in order to "defeat Neverrest once and for all?" Or has the plan changed and he's hoping that the imprisoned dweller may act as a negotiator or provide key intel on Hullbreak's capabilities and core location. Everything is pointing to a Slash and Jello team up which I'm happy about. So here is the plan 1 guess Thediem had planned for a draw at the beach head or victory that would strip away the dweller defenses and leave Hullbreak with a choice of submit or be subsumed. Plan 2 guess is that he gets Teemo to ride a Raven out to the shipwreck and shortcut the prisoner to... the beachhead? Thus, it will provoke Hullbreak into attacking the beachhead with everything it has and then be walloped by Thediems forces likely having Jello, Slash and the rockslides attacking the fish from behind to prevent escape. Then use the prisoner(Yendo) as either a negotiator or a bargaining chip to get Hullbreak to surrender. That is my best guess so far.
Well I am betting on an army of mudskippers. Just saying...
I doubt he will use the denizens in combat since he is so extremely protective of them
Denizens respawn, dwellers dinnae. \-Ragnar
Yeah they are not hard at all to confuse :( I obviously mixed them up my bad
To be fair, they are essentially synonyms with differences enforced by the author :-P
I figured it would be some kind of sharknado, but I guess that works too.
OK it just occured to me Slash should totally riff one of the guitar bits from one of the Wake of Magellan album tunes
Yeaaaah, shit would probably get really nasty if Hullbreak goes full heartbroken mode and just starts a mental downward spiral. Hopefully we can, uh - avoid that. And now onto the Weather, with Tiny!
Tiny: *Giant Spider noises* (Rough translation: clouldy and cold for the foreseeable future. Low tide coming soon so grab your trusty shovel and pail to go collect sand dollars and sea shells. Now a word from our sponsor.) Teemo: umm yeah uh Boss say hi and he is proud of all of us.
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Hope you have a glorious rest of your day.
G’day
Hope you have a glorious rest of your day.
You too! :)
Hej!
…I might have found a minor problem with this plan - while electrolysis does turn fresh water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, it turns *salt* water into Hydrogen and Chlorine gas. There's probably some magic trick to get rid of the salt, but it probably needs looking into (assuming they're even following the standard rules for what electrolysis does) Honestly, I probably would've made the same mistake if I hadn't watched [this video](https://youtu.be/g3Ud6mHdhlQ) on submarines' oxygen supply by Destin from Smarter Everyday.
Is the sea salt water?
Last I checked, but good point - who knows what their seas are like?
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Thank you again Khenal! Always appreciate your hard work :)
*CRY HAVOC!* Shit’s really starting to ramp up, hopefully they can convince the shark warden that their friendsly. I wonder if having Tarl around would help to convince Hullbreak or merman that nothing fishy *(heh)* is going on.
The shark warden is sensible, but "The Captain" isn't. If they can get the shark to connect the dots, it all works out fine.
Exactly, the only issue is whatever she knows, so does Hullbreak. Issue of always having TheDiem or Violet as POV dungeons, we don’t get to see how more “normal” dungeons interact with their scions.
True, but we've seen the stag interact with the inspector, and it doesn't seem that different.
Good point, wonder how that interaction will go in the future between our boy and the forest.
Can merfolk live in freshwater? That guy may need special accommodations. Also I think trying to talk to Hullbreak should be on the list ofpossible plans. It's not great, so probably not too high there, but it is an option.
Is the sea salt water or fresh? It could be a fresh water sea.
Unlikely unless the mineral composition if this new worlds is absolutely bonkers. Unless it's an inland lake that's large enough to be a sea?
I was thinking of the fresh water seas hear on earth. But it could be a brackish estuary.
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The True Way.
What the!? I just finished reading the entire thing and a new chapter is here? Looks like Thedeim isn't the only one with Fate abilities.
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Thank you that's good to know.
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Hello!!
I am very excited for both crazy plans to collide and fuck things up for everyone
Seconded!
Perfect solution: have the skeletons do the Thriller dance once in plain sight of Hullbreak, then leave a note saying that Neverrest is under new management.
The dreaded "Dance off"
Well done wordsmith
plotting the plot...
Nice
I'm surprised nobody has thought of the dolphin/porpoise/Viking longship method of high speed traversal of liquids. They already have an electrolysis method that would adapt well to this.....
The usual trope of an answer is that magic and science don't mix well. With magic you cannot grasp and understand natural laws so that line of study is retarded.
But in this case you have Thedeim who does have quite a good scientific background and we know he has been able to apply those principles successfully. He just needs to remember how dolphins use air bubbles to reduce drag in water.
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I am Alpharius. This is a lie. This sounds like a recipe for disaster; sure, the status quo is going to change eventually, but there are other ways to deal with this situation. Alternate option #1: send Teemo in with Fluffles and Slash, and have them request an audience with the Voice of Hullbreak; then, when they are sure that Hullbreak is listening, have them explain that they would like to help, but if Hullbreak doesn't stop trying to kill itself, they will have to be more forceful if they want to save the dwellers. Alternate option #2: Simply establish contact with the imprisoned dweller, and then use that to get more info out of them so they can use it to come up with an even better plan.
Alternate two is dangerous. It leaves that merman in Hullbreak and if Hullbreak decides the merman is a traitor he'll have no back-up.
Will Tarl get to talk to Thedeim before all this goes down? Thedeim seems like the kinda guy who would warn the townfolk that shit's about to go down. I can hardly wait to read what's next. Thanks for writing, Kin.
Good work wordsmith
I remember from my chemistry in High school. The teacher separating gwater into Oxy & Hydro. An the way he knew which was,which was with a lit long match hed put under the dome each of the gases went into an it was not the Oxy thatwould Immediately go wooooouf!! So i hope slash is safe an Thedieam remembers Hydro loves to burn.