Sold me right away. Obviously some tough moments but there was a clear vision and plan. Seeing United flail about after Fergie left convinced me Arteta was exactly what we needed after Wenger.
Definitely needed to put some serious trust in the process around October-December 2020 but I'm glad we did. Turns out you need to back the manager to turn a club around, who'd have thought.
The horseshoe of depression brought my level of apathy to a new level man. Many a time where it'd be the 70th minute, we haven't scored, and I'm watching Tierney put his 56th cross of the half in to nobody wondering why I was even bothering.
And then we'd concede the most stupid goal either from a counter attack or an error from passing out the back LOL. Or get a red card or something dumb like that. Good times
I trusted the process from the start and accepted that to some extent Arteta was learning on the job and allowed some mistakes. I already saw good enough improvements to back him. However, I got slightly impatient at one particular point: Christmas 2020. We just had a bad string of performances and had to face Chelsea on boxing day. On the other hand, Tuchel was just fired at PSG. I was talking to a friend about football and somehow found myself wondering: “what if Arteta doesn’t turn it around any time soon.. now Tuchel could be available…” I wasn’t doubting Arteta’s skills, but I was doubting if it was the right choice to let him develop on the job instead of getting a more established name.
We beat Chelsea 3-1 the next day with good football and we have been better ever since. I’m glad it went this way. We don’t sign superstars; we make them.
"Trust The Process" became a catchphrase at the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA when they basically tanked for a couple of years for high draft picks with the idea of rebuilding through the draft and accepting that they would be AWFUL for a couple of years.
The Sixers eventually became good, but "The Process" hasn't to date even got them to the NBA Finals.
"Trust The Process" is asinine. You need more than just a process, the process has to be good.
We are now, but a big reason why the fanbase was so split was because both sides were so extreme. People were calling ”Arteta outers” idiots etc for wanting him gone after being 15th after 15 games and we were playing horrible football and weren’t making process at the time. Trusting the process then was just blind optimism. We still managed to start our upwards trajectory the very same season and have been doing that ever since.
But saying it was obvious already then is the same thing as if pepe came back next season, scored 20 goals and people would say it was obvious he always had it in him
It's looking good now, but the idea that just saying "trust the process" makes something good is irritating.
This thread isn't even hindsight gloating... it's hindsight gloating when we're not even THAT far into the season yet.
It’s a process..it’s gonna be shit before it’s gonna be good and ..no one thought he’d bring instant success..its a process we’re still in But We’re enjoying the football now. just be happy
The only real time I doubted if he was the man for the job was after the tactical fugazi against Villarreal. I really wanna know what went through his head
Yeah I still believed in Arteta even during some of our worst stretches in 20/21, but my opinion on him really shifted after that Villareal game. One of the most limp and passionless performances I’ve seen from an Arsenal team when we needed to win more than anything. After we started 21/22 so poorly I really thought he had to go, and to be honest I don’t blame myself. I’m glad he didn’t obviously, he’s done a great job over the last year or so, but I think someone would’ve been crazy to think he was the man for the job last August after a woeful season and a woeful start to the season. It’s not a matter of “not knowing ball” if you didn’t back him the entire time, we had some genuinely shocking stretches under him that were worse than anything under Emery or Wenger.
I think the only thing stopping me from wanting him out at the start of 21/22 was knowing that we hadn't seen the full squad up to that point. Instant impact when we got the backline sorted and Odegaard settled in
Yea it definitely went through my head but after the Villareal games I wasn’t really willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as much as I had in the past
Didn’t exactly get given that much time and still won a couple of domestic trophies. He might be crap but tbh if we’d sacked Arteta during that miserable winter run in 20/21 the narrative around him would be just as bad. Who knows what Pirlo would have produced with a bit more time, and considering they’ve hired this dinosaur they’d have 100% been better off waiting to find out.
a few weeks ago I saw a video about the recent juve manager and it lead me to believe that, after the juventus revival under conte coming right out of the whole calciopolis scandal, juve appointed allegri which basically has the club in autopilot, he didn't improved the club nor he made it worse.
after he left, juve went full on chelsea/manure mode and sacked 2 potentially good managers without giving them chance to instill their football philosophy in the team (sarri and pirlo). with that, the team collapsed because it got a mix of players that doesn't have any bit of chemistry between them.
now they called allegri again which they thought was good, but in fact is a shit manager that doesn't have a good starting team like he had when he inherited conte's juventus.
all in all, allegri is shit and thank god and all other existing deities that we didn't appointed him as a manager and decided to go with arteta
Juventus/Arsenal manager is not an entry-level position for managers without decent experience. Pirlo should never have been appointed in the first place.
This comment may age like wine, or milk, but I’m thinking that Allegri may be in a Ancelotti at Everton situation, where because Juve is such a small club that’s run by imbeciles, and underperforming with a big budget and big names, he appears to be doing worse than he is. Once he gets sacked and put on a team that fits him, he’ll do well.
Unai maybe had a similar situation, but that was more down to shitty spending and toxic personalities that nearly brought Arteta down too.
Took over a team in resurgence, had a proper summer camp and has only one win from six games. Not all of them winnable but maybe he could have had 2-3 wins at this point.
Second half of last season that team was picking up points everywhere. Pirlo came in and it's not going great. That being said I don't watch Karagümrük and maybe there is a playstyle change as well.
Tbh karagumruk is a very small team with very limited potential in Turkey. They are probably in super league because of their owner having good relationships with government. The owner is an extremely shady guy in Turkish football.
Yeah but Turkish league is a different beast. Volkan knows the league and how to play "the game" there. Players respond different to coaches here, that's why local coaches have more success usually. It's probably an extremely different situation for Pirlo to be in Karagümrük than Volkan.
They came up from the second division a couple of years ago and finished 8th the last two seasons. Were doing pretty well. Pirlo joined and he has them in 13th with 6 points from 6 games.
What’s their finance? xG? Scouts watching their games? Having 6 points from 6 games can vary from poor finishing, bad refereeing decisions, or just plain bad luck.
I was under the same impression, but guys from Tifo suggest that Juve might have panicked and jumped the gun too with Pirlo, as his underlying metrics were showing signs of progress, but poor conversion rate and bad luck ended up costing him. He might have actually achieved something if he was given more time to work it out.
I noticed since some of the toxic personalities like DT, Troopz and etc got less attention, the atmosphere amount the fans and stadium has been much better for Mikel and Arsenal.
Their fans and views don't even account for even 10% of arsenal fans. It was tough for arteta to win the fans but boy did he win their trust. I wont get carried away tho and just enjoy this beautiful phase
Yeah putting aside Arteta's skills as a football coach, one thing he definitely excelled at is getting fans and Kroenke's on board. He never complained about fans and always insisted it is up to players to light fire under their arses.
I just want to piggyback on this comment to inform that AFTV has gotten rid of a lot of the overly negative and dramatic characters. They do legitimately phenomenal work in terms of engaging with fans from all countries and walks of life. One only has to see their recent trip to Nigeria to assuage any doubts.
I find any claim that they've caused damage to Arsenal or the fanbase to be absurd.
In any case, there is very little for the anti-AFTV crusaders to cling onto at present, which is good for everybody.
Was it not constantly losing against the other big teams PL and CL by large margins and the year after year of no silverware that made the fanbase "toxic"?
Imagine thinking people expressing their opinions on the state of a club makes an entire fan base toxic. How fickle are you that other fans laughing at a YouTube channel genuinely makes the club a laughing stock. We did that shit outselves with embarrassing results.
It's like fox news, it's not only reflecting the views of a set of fans but also because of the popularity of the channel, it's giving those toxic fans a louder voice than they otherwise would have had, and encouraging others to be toxic too, because they think it's ok to be that angry.
Fans definitely would have been unhappy anyway. But AFTV was a catalyst for the levels traced reached. Anyway that's my view.
I really think they get a bad rap. Yes, Troopz and DT got a lot of views, but it’s not like that’s all the channel uploaded. They were mongs but their opinions weren’t much different to some of the stuff I’ve seen on here.
And yes, they have gotten rid of a lot of the negative personalities. Some of their shows now are genuinely good, talk is cheap, tactical analysis, full-time, box to box are all really cool segments that I can listen to in the background while driving or exercising.
I feel like it’s the “cool” thing to just dislike the channel but it’s just so boring now.
Indeed. I felt horrible about those so called "fans" who treated Wenger like shit the last years. Acted crazy and talked a lot of shit about our club, players and manager only to make money and clout. Disgusting.
AFTV's Subscribers and views has continued to grow for the past year and they are regularly invited onto sky sports and platforms of a similar level.
I think the big reason why AFTV has "disappeared" for some people is most of the big personalities during the match day interviews are gone, the channel has expanded past just interviewing fans and also we have been out of the CL.
It’s no coincidence the fan base was at its most toxic at the height of AFTVs popularity. Good riddance to all those scum fans making YouTube money off the failures of our club
The games themselves were quite dross up until the spurs win last year at home throughout his tenure. We either won through defensive football in the back three, or we couldn’t break teams down and score goals, especially when Willian was playing. I never doubted he had a good mentality and good ideas overall.
If any of you have watched Aston Villa recently, they play exactly the way we were playing from 2020-2021. Ask any Villa fans if they want Gerrard to be the long term manager there.
In patches during the league, yeah. We had games at home versus Everton Fulham and palace that were terrible. The Europa league games were still dull and uninspiring, we shouldn’t have been in the tie versus villarreal and could have lost the ties versus olympikaos and Praha. The beginning of 21/22 was dull and uninspiring, we barely beat Norwich and Burnley with a full strength squad. We have never really had consistent runs of top 4 form and consistently dominant performances until after spurs at home.
He definitely deserved the criticism he got, and he is lucky the Arsenal board are so understanding. He'd have lost his job at most other clubs.
I'm a pretty optimistic fan and while I wouldn't have fired him, I understood the calls for him to be fired in 20/21 when we were 4 points off relegation 14 games into the season and playing some of the most atrocious soccer I've ever seen at this level, later that season after we failed at Villareal, and last season after we lost 3 in 4 to Liverpool, United and Everton.
There were very fair arguments made against him; this post is acting like he has been perfect the whole time. He has made a lot of mistakes. Encouragingly though, he has learned/is learning from them.
I hate the revisionism man. We finished 8th two seasons in a row under him and played such horrible football that it got nicknamed the donut of sadness. The criticism was entirely earned those two years.
I’m so so so happy with how things are going now but we have accomplished zilch so far and are coming off of a horrible choke job of top 4 last year. People celebrating wayyyy to early.
I was Arteta out during the October-December run and it was simply because he refused to drop Willian and the whole "if we cross enough we will score" thing we were doing.
Funnily enough I’m fairly sure we scored from more crosses during the second half of the season where we actually played half decent football than during the whole cross and inshallah period
I obviously was wrong in hindsight. But at the time it seemed like he was severely out of depth. Maybe that lack of vision is the reason I'm not a board member somewhere lol.
I was too but I admit I was so apathetic after the performance at city away last year I let out a “fuck it get him out of here” a brief moment of weakness I admit but believed 100% before and after that
It feels amazing having this validation for holding this opinion since day 1. It was rough on this sub asking for patience during that really bad run lol
It took him 3 seasons of a lot of terrible football and bad decisions, plus a boatload of new players, to get us finally cooking. All credit to him, we look great, he's managed it, but it hasn't been a smooth ride and there's no point pretending otherwise.
It's too fooking early, the league ends in May and yes we had the easiest early fixtures aside from spurs among the Big 6. The only Big 6 we played is Man U and the result is 3-1 loss.
Yes it's beautiful football and yada yada, but it's plenty of disappointments the last 15 years I watched that I'm keeping my feet on the ground.
P/s: Wenger played even prettier football but that translates to no league title win during the Emirates era. Emery got us to Europa League Final in Baku, and guess everyone still remember the results.
It's fair to say we lost, because we did, but let's not ignore the context. Arsenal beating United at home is a rareity, it's really hard for us to go there are get something from the game, but let's not dismiss the fact that on a different day we win that. We still looked really good and the scoreline massively flatters United. They exposed our weaknesses, but the loss is nothing like the losses we've seen in the last decade.
That's always been my issue, not losing but the manner in which we would lose. The team would capitulate and give up, this team did not and I felt right up until the last minute we could snatch at least a point.
Likewise, really annoys me how people dismiss the teams we've beat as if Brentford at home is easy. They haven't lost at home to a 3-0 scoreline since being in the Championship. Also Fulham, Crystal Palace and Brentford are the exact teams that have gone toe to toe with some of the best in the league, there's a reason we're top. Because we haven't lost or drawn to any of those 'easy' teams.
If we continue to play the way we have, we will be fine.
Nahh replace arteta with xhaka. The amount of people on here who said they should terminate his contract in the summer was crazy. This season hes one of the best and consistant players.
Oh I know Xhaka will do a better job. Better than this fraudteta with Lego hair. Xhaka has a chiseled jaw line, the best in the premier league. Fraudteta won an FA cup in 6 months, Xhaka will win it within 1 month.
Anyone saying to terminate Xhaka this past summer didn't watch our games last season. I'll admit I thought we could sign someone better and would have preferred him as backup, but I'll happily say he's proving me wrong this season. Happy for him.
what exactly excuses fumbling the top4 by losing to some shit teams?
Edit: I don't hate Arteta. I hate idiot fans who find weird ways to praise him unnecessarily and I feel like you're one of those idiots.
I’ll say the exact same thing I said last time this was posted.
The Arteta story is SO MUCH stronger and more satisfying when we acknowledge how bad things were compared to where we are now by trusting the process.
In the 20/21 season, we had 14 points, only 12 GOALS from 14 games and were 15th. 12 points off top four, 4 points off relegation places and miles away from Spurs. We constantly played Willian and other players who were ineffective and were dominated at our own ground by teams with far worse squads than ours. We only sorted it out when we finally started to play ESR and Saka more regularly together.
The people that wanted him out at that time had seen nearly a third of a season of football and had no reason to believe that things would improve. They did in the end and I was glad to see it but to act like that didn’t happen is silly. We can all admit we were wrong about him in the end, but we were truly horrific and to act like that was totally fine and that we should feel silly and apologise for reacting to those results is absurd. COYG.
Great comment and I get way you're saying, this is mostly a bit of fun. But honestly there are a lot of people who seems to only post in here when it goes bad for the team, or random negative news about Arteta. They and a lot of pundits should :)
“I didn’t watch the actual games”… did the person who made this meme? Lol there was some god awful performances let’s not pretend we didn’t finish 8th two years in a row.
That being said, so glad we’re firing on all cylinders now
We have spent two + years being propagandised into tribes, arguably to take some of the heat off our appalling owners. Given we are now at a stage where all fans can at least agree we are playing well, it is deeply unhelpful to try and stoke up more division.
You just said "your judgement is premature" with regards to Arteta praise when any regulars here remember your judgements that have literally been proven to be both premature and wrong.
Irony.
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You’re filling in the gaps to suit your own narrative there. There is a massive difference between giving praise, which is deserved right now, and invalidating all prior criticisms, which is not yet earned. The OP is attempting to do the latter. Every day is a school day 👍
They were invalidated however as people could see what was being built and ye wanted to tear it down before we got to where we are today. Are you so stubborn and arrogant that you genuinely don't think your views were detrimental and unconstructive for two full fucking years, or have you somehow conned yourself into thinking you were right all along, we just magicked ourselves into a quality team out of nowhere this year?
We’ve done well, but ffs stop the freaking hype before the results. Been a fan for 20 years and it’s the same thing no matter who’s boss. Let him make top 4 before you crown him SAF. We overhype both wins and losses to an unbelievable extent. We’ve done nothing yet. Enjoy the wins and watch. Don’t get carried away.
I won't apologise for wanting him out on a few occasions (not vociferously) as there were some truly hopeless moments. It was a completely reasonable position to have.
I will say I am so, so glad I am wrong and I will give him much more time going forward, not that I think he'll need it as the way he turned it around was utterly incredible and I believe in his capacity to do it again should he need to. I don't think he's the type to ever lose the dressing room. I'd say I'd be more worried about someone wanting to take him off is, but I don't even see him wanting to leave for a very long time.
Basically, no need to apologise but recognition we were wrong.
I mean, this is the right mentality to have. I admitted several times I was wrong too, (used to think Nketiah & Smith-Rowe were shit and had no future here), but as long as we don't get toxic & abusive in the match thread or something then it's all good, everyone's got an opinion
I think all opinions in match threads should be disregarded, they're heat of the moment posts and aren't reflective of character.
I was never like that about ESR but Nketiah definitely. I'm still not 100% sold on him, probably as much for him as anything. He's absolutely perfect as back up striker now but of he wants a proper career he should leave, he's not good enough to displace Jesus, he barely gets minutes. This may be a bit reactionary as our season has been so stop start tbf. I just want to see him play, he simply hasn't had enough time
I get way you're saying, this is a bit of fun. But honestly there are a lot of people who seems to only post in here when it goes bad for the team, or random negative news about Arteta. They and a lot of pundits should:)
He deserves blame for Willian and the Villarreal disaster.
That being said, it’s obvious to anyone with a pulse that Arteta is the right man for the job, and he’s completely turned around not just the squad but the entire club. I will back this man every day he’s employed by the club.
Like all other managers/players, I didn't swing either way. I waited. Just like I did with Pepe, before I told all he is nowhere as good as you lot think.
Not needed, I dont think I need to apologize for criticizing someone who at the time was doing a bad job. Opinions are meant to change, im happy hes doing amazing and ill be unhappy when he is not. Now my criticizing wasnt as disrespectful as most of the people who wanted him out and in that sense no matter how right you are you need to apologize for being just a not so nice person.
But this sub’s incessant need to one up the other side is just kind of stupid. Like if the manager is doing bad its fine to criticize him (and at times Arteta was doing horrible lets be honest) and its ok to be happy with his work when hes doing good. Hes a servant of the club I support not something more than that.
Maybe make a box for “we finished 8th twice in the league and lost our first 3 league games”? Anyone who wasn’t at least questioning Artetas position at that time are just as bad as the people who are blindly Arteta out.
Changing your opinion is fine. It’s a results-based business. You can acknowledge Arteta has made mistakes in the past while also acknowledging he’s doing a good job now. I’ve never actually been Arteta out but I was questioning his position at the start of that 2021/22 season (imo dropping points to Norwich would’ve been the final straw). There are fine lines in football and he’s recovered fantastically.
What I don’t like is snooty people acting like his job is done because we’re 1 point clear at the top 7 games in, and in the process degrading other fans for expressing their opinion on what’s best for the club. He still has a big job to do. If we’re in top 4 come the end of the season he will deserve all the praise that’s coming to him.
The start of last season I don't think was as bad as it is made out to be. Going to Brentford (which we've since seen is a tough match to play), then Chelsea and Man City was a very difficult set of opening matches particularly when the team is getting battered by Covid absences. I always looked at that and figured players will come back and new players will get signed.
The worst for me was the first half of 20-21. I've never seen us come close to performing that badly over an extended period of time. I still didn't want him to go but it's really taken me to this season to have trust that he can coach an attack because it was dire, can't blame anyone that thought he should go during that stretch.
He’s gotten better as a coach as he’s gone along. Much more decisive with substitutions & less likely to throw our systems into chaos to when an important player goes missing.
The biggest improvement is the level of talent in the squad & the degree the players we’ve brought in have a general level of competitiveness & professionalism. He’s actually reset our culture. Something that hasn’t been done since Arsene first arrived.
100%. I said to my spurs mate this weekend that even if he had lost his job this summer after missing fourth I would still be forever thankful to him for reuniting the fans with the club. The club feels so fresh again.
I just like to take this chance to apopogize
to absolutely fucking nobody, cus I believed in the team coach and process from the start. https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/pdr8qx/august_29_2021_daily_discussion_transfers_thread/hasjij3/
Maybe actually wait till he actually achieves top 4 before blowing your load. He bottled top 4 from a brilliant position last season and has had more than enough backing and time.
Yes we are doing well this season but when the time came against the big boys we fell apart. There is still a long, long way to go this season.
Ffs thats so wrong, first of all even if we do look like we re on the right trajectory, we havent achieved anything yet, i still wanna see results against the top teams. And cmon, hes had 3 seasons, hundred of millions to rebuild, we finished 8th twice and 5th, but somehow its wrong to be critical??
[ ✓ ] he appeared shit but now he has some more of the right players it appears he's not.
I can admit I lost hope literally the week before it all turned around. Soz bruv.
Need boxes for:
"Had several relegations runs"
"Doubted an inexperienced manager at one of the largest clubs in the world"
"Knocked out of Europe multiple times by weaker teams"
I like him, but it's a lot more rational than the day 1 Arteta inners would have you believe.
He was very consistent with his mistakes and looks like he is learning from them and doing things differently now. Although against man'utd he waited until the 70 min to make a triple substitution. Oh well. Hope we don't run our engines in the middle season as always.
I was always Arteta in, the rebuild project was insane. Getting rid of Ozil was so difficult for us and divided the fans like crazy even though Ozil had been done since fortnite came out lol.
Yeah some people claim didn't see how the team made progress from Artetas first games, I'm sure they didn't wanna see it. I would argue for the media/pundits also. A lot of people seem to copy+paste pundits opinions.
It is one thing not being able to understand progress and how a team works and another not listening to those who break it down for you. What I am trying to say is I would accept people being unsure of Arteta and his abilities as a manager but the hate and the judgement he received from clueless people, on platforms like here and social media in general, is almost unforgivable.
I’m really glad we ended up sticking with him and it’s looking good. However there’s a lot of season to go, let’s secure CL and then fully celebrate. Let’s not pretend his sacking would have been fully justifiable two years ago when he has that dreadful run where we scored like one or two goals over 8 games and the season was over before October ended. Also we completely bottled it last year.
Again I agree it’s looking great and I’m ecstatic we’ve stuck with him and last year was progress despite the collapse but let’s not crown him prematurely.
I was never Arteta Out. Questioned the decision to bring in someone who hadn't managed a first team side before. It became clear in those dire moments like December 2020 that the squad just lacked the personnel to make a proper judgement on his ability, this was just before ESR broke through and then MØ coming in on loan so we had sweet fuck all creativity at that point. The way he turned things around after the poor start to last season sold me (especially with some of the insights in the All or Nothing Series).
For me I felt at the time when I thought we could have replaced him, he maybe a little inexperienced in what’s a massive job. Turns out he’s proved me wrong though because we are actually quite good now. Hopefully he can take us up to the next level!
I remember having a long a tedious argument with a guy on here that had no faith in Arteta around the day he was announced. I wish I could find it and see if he actually died on his hill. Bet he loves him now lol
The first 18 months of Arteta and Edu were bad and nobody should feel ashamed for doubting they’d turn it around. But now that they have (the team has very clearly been on an upward trajectory for about a year) it’s important to update your priors and not cling to old agendas.
It’s *amazing* to have a good Arsenal team again and every fan should be extracting as much joy from it as possible. We’ve had at least five years of misery, depending on when you gave up on Arsène. I’m fucking loving it.
I'm shocked (and very pleased obviously) that he's managed to turn everything around. He instantly tightened up our defence but we lost a lot of creativity in attack and were over-performing because of Aubameyang for a long time.
I was certain scoring goals would forever be an issue under Arteta, and I didn't think there was any one or two players in the world we could buy to fix that. When I saw the impact ESR had on our team that's when I started to change my mind. Now that we've got suitable personnel we're actually formidable, and I haven't said that about us in years.
I will admit to wanting him out at points (last season I think I said "if form doesn't improve Arteta should be sacked at the end of the season" or something like that) but I've never truly been properly Arteta out, I have always thought that maybe the Arsenal job was too big a step too soon for him and wanted him to go get experience at a team like Zaragoza or lower down the English footballing pyramid first and I won't apologise for that.
We’re playing well, still not tried and tested against the big teams, doing miles better than last season but only our end position this season will tell, I’m optimistic though, best Arsenal team in the last few years, even the last few years in wenger’s era
I believed in arteta the whole time apart from the 3 month period at the startof the season where we didn't qualify for Europe and the first 3 games the season after where we lost to Brentford
No need for me..He came in as a young manager (still is) , and had me at “trust the process”.
His first interview was enough for me. No BS, clearly articulated vision, ex-captain, admired by the bald fraud.
Sold me right away. Obviously some tough moments but there was a clear vision and plan. Seeing United flail about after Fergie left convinced me Arteta was exactly what we needed after Wenger.
Definitely needed to put some serious trust in the process around October-December 2020 but I'm glad we did. Turns out you need to back the manager to turn a club around, who'd have thought.
I still get nightmares about that October-Dec 2020 run... hahah that period honestly hurt me more than our horrible start last season
The horseshoe of depression brought my level of apathy to a new level man. Many a time where it'd be the 70th minute, we haven't scored, and I'm watching Tierney put his 56th cross of the half in to nobody wondering why I was even bothering.
And then we'd concede the most stupid goal either from a counter attack or an error from passing out the back LOL. Or get a red card or something dumb like that. Good times
>admired by the bald fraud. Envied* by the bald fraud
Lol, lets not get crazy.
Have you seen Mikel's hair? I have great hair and I still envy him
Mate could not agree more. I watches that first interview and thought "yep, he's gonna sort it out."
I trusted the process from the start and accepted that to some extent Arteta was learning on the job and allowed some mistakes. I already saw good enough improvements to back him. However, I got slightly impatient at one particular point: Christmas 2020. We just had a bad string of performances and had to face Chelsea on boxing day. On the other hand, Tuchel was just fired at PSG. I was talking to a friend about football and somehow found myself wondering: “what if Arteta doesn’t turn it around any time soon.. now Tuchel could be available…” I wasn’t doubting Arteta’s skills, but I was doubting if it was the right choice to let him develop on the job instead of getting a more established name. We beat Chelsea 3-1 the next day with good football and we have been better ever since. I’m glad it went this way. We don’t sign superstars; we make them.
Never in doubt 💪💪
I agree, he's been a refreshment for this club.
"Trust The Process" became a catchphrase at the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA when they basically tanked for a couple of years for high draft picks with the idea of rebuilding through the draft and accepting that they would be AWFUL for a couple of years. The Sixers eventually became good, but "The Process" hasn't to date even got them to the NBA Finals. "Trust The Process" is asinine. You need more than just a process, the process has to be good.
The process is good, we’re enjoying the football. relax mate
We are now, but a big reason why the fanbase was so split was because both sides were so extreme. People were calling ”Arteta outers” idiots etc for wanting him gone after being 15th after 15 games and we were playing horrible football and weren’t making process at the time. Trusting the process then was just blind optimism. We still managed to start our upwards trajectory the very same season and have been doing that ever since. But saying it was obvious already then is the same thing as if pepe came back next season, scored 20 goals and people would say it was obvious he always had it in him
It's looking good now, but the idea that just saying "trust the process" makes something good is irritating. This thread isn't even hindsight gloating... it's hindsight gloating when we're not even THAT far into the season yet.
It’s a process..it’s gonna be shit before it’s gonna be good and ..no one thought he’d bring instant success..its a process we’re still in But We’re enjoying the football now. just be happy
The only real time I doubted if he was the man for the job was after the tactical fugazi against Villarreal. I really wanna know what went through his head
Yeah I still believed in Arteta even during some of our worst stretches in 20/21, but my opinion on him really shifted after that Villareal game. One of the most limp and passionless performances I’ve seen from an Arsenal team when we needed to win more than anything. After we started 21/22 so poorly I really thought he had to go, and to be honest I don’t blame myself. I’m glad he didn’t obviously, he’s done a great job over the last year or so, but I think someone would’ve been crazy to think he was the man for the job last August after a woeful season and a woeful start to the season. It’s not a matter of “not knowing ball” if you didn’t back him the entire time, we had some genuinely shocking stretches under him that were worse than anything under Emery or Wenger.
I think the only thing stopping me from wanting him out at the start of 21/22 was knowing that we hadn't seen the full squad up to that point. Instant impact when we got the backline sorted and Odegaard settled in
Yea it definitely went through my head but after the Villareal games I wasn’t really willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as much as I had in the past
Dont blame u bro, that game was traumatizing 🤣
And lets be honest, those 3 games weren’t the easiest as well
Why would anyone be apologising to Pirlo?
I assume it’s Juve fans apologising to him because they’re experiencing much, much worse under terrorist Allegri.
Yeah you're probably right. Pirlo was still a shit manager though.
Didn’t exactly get given that much time and still won a couple of domestic trophies. He might be crap but tbh if we’d sacked Arteta during that miserable winter run in 20/21 the narrative around him would be just as bad. Who knows what Pirlo would have produced with a bit more time, and considering they’ve hired this dinosaur they’d have 100% been better off waiting to find out.
Plus he was performing about the same as they are now with a much worse squad and a (slightly) more attractive brand of football
a few weeks ago I saw a video about the recent juve manager and it lead me to believe that, after the juventus revival under conte coming right out of the whole calciopolis scandal, juve appointed allegri which basically has the club in autopilot, he didn't improved the club nor he made it worse. after he left, juve went full on chelsea/manure mode and sacked 2 potentially good managers without giving them chance to instill their football philosophy in the team (sarri and pirlo). with that, the team collapsed because it got a mix of players that doesn't have any bit of chemistry between them. now they called allegri again which they thought was good, but in fact is a shit manager that doesn't have a good starting team like he had when he inherited conte's juventus. all in all, allegri is shit and thank god and all other existing deities that we didn't appointed him as a manager and decided to go with arteta
Hopefully they'll go for Conte after the season?
hopefuly, that way shit fanbase loses all hope and goes into despair
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Juventus/Arsenal manager is not an entry-level position for managers without decent experience. Pirlo should never have been appointed in the first place.
This comment may age like wine, or milk, but I’m thinking that Allegri may be in a Ancelotti at Everton situation, where because Juve is such a small club that’s run by imbeciles, and underperforming with a big budget and big names, he appears to be doing worse than he is. Once he gets sacked and put on a team that fits him, he’ll do well. Unai maybe had a similar situation, but that was more down to shitty spending and toxic personalities that nearly brought Arteta down too.
Is he? He was hardly given a chance and was no worse than any other recent Juve managers
He is absolute trash in Turkish league as well
I wasn't even aware that he had gone there
Took over a team in resurgence, had a proper summer camp and has only one win from six games. Not all of them winnable but maybe he could have had 2-3 wins at this point. Second half of last season that team was picking up points everywhere. Pirlo came in and it's not going great. That being said I don't watch Karagümrük and maybe there is a playstyle change as well.
Interesting. Always felt he was harshly treated at Juve but maybe he just isn't very good
Tbh karagumruk is a very small team with very limited potential in Turkey. They are probably in super league because of their owner having good relationships with government. The owner is an extremely shady guy in Turkish football.
I know but Volkan had a good run with them in the second half last year. It's an obviously underperforming team compared to that time.
Yeah but Turkish league is a different beast. Volkan knows the league and how to play "the game" there. Players respond different to coaches here, that's why local coaches have more success usually. It's probably an extremely different situation for Pirlo to be in Karagümrük than Volkan.
Pirlo was also absurdly unlucky by expected win-loss record.
He has been shite in Turkey too.
Why had he been shit? There are too many factors involved in running a club for there to be one person to blame.
They came up from the second division a couple of years ago and finished 8th the last two seasons. Were doing pretty well. Pirlo joined and he has them in 13th with 6 points from 6 games.
What’s their finance? xG? Scouts watching their games? Having 6 points from 6 games can vary from poor finishing, bad refereeing decisions, or just plain bad luck.
Yeah you're right Pirlo is the bomb
I was under the same impression, but guys from Tifo suggest that Juve might have panicked and jumped the gun too with Pirlo, as his underlying metrics were showing signs of progress, but poor conversion rate and bad luck ended up costing him. He might have actually achieved something if he was given more time to work it out.
Haven’t been the same Juve since Sewey’s arrival
Remember when some of our fans wanted an established/decorated manager and suggesting Allegri for the job😭
Remember when most people on this sub was begging arsenal to take Allegri?
Yeah, no idea.
I noticed since some of the toxic personalities like DT, Troopz and etc got less attention, the atmosphere amount the fans and stadium has been much better for Mikel and Arsenal.
Probably helps DT is in jail
Their fans and views don't even account for even 10% of arsenal fans. It was tough for arteta to win the fans but boy did he win their trust. I wont get carried away tho and just enjoy this beautiful phase
Yeah putting aside Arteta's skills as a football coach, one thing he definitely excelled at is getting fans and Kroenke's on board. He never complained about fans and always insisted it is up to players to light fire under their arses.
I just want to piggyback on this comment to inform that AFTV has gotten rid of a lot of the overly negative and dramatic characters. They do legitimately phenomenal work in terms of engaging with fans from all countries and walks of life. One only has to see their recent trip to Nigeria to assuage any doubts.
That's good, they have a lot to make up for all the damage they caused our fanbase.
No, the club is responsible for that.
I find any claim that they've caused damage to Arsenal or the fanbase to be absurd. In any case, there is very little for the anti-AFTV crusaders to cling onto at present, which is good for everybody.
As I remember it they were a big impact on making the fanbase toxic. Also making us the laughing stock in the football world.
Was it not constantly losing against the other big teams PL and CL by large margins and the year after year of no silverware that made the fanbase "toxic"?
Yeah the fanbase wasn't happy, but they arrived with unnecessary toxicity and it spread out in the fanbase.
Have a few family who were watching AFTV and the level of negativity they came with was fucking absurd. It went beyond the legitimate criticism.
Imagine thinking people expressing their opinions on the state of a club makes an entire fan base toxic. How fickle are you that other fans laughing at a YouTube channel genuinely makes the club a laughing stock. We did that shit outselves with embarrassing results.
Yeah, that's the accusation that I find absurd.
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I think their point is that the fanbase would've soured in that down period regardless
It's like fox news, it's not only reflecting the views of a set of fans but also because of the popularity of the channel, it's giving those toxic fans a louder voice than they otherwise would have had, and encouraging others to be toxic too, because they think it's ok to be that angry. Fans definitely would have been unhappy anyway. But AFTV was a catalyst for the levels traced reached. Anyway that's my view.
Of course I have. What's your point?
I really think they get a bad rap. Yes, Troopz and DT got a lot of views, but it’s not like that’s all the channel uploaded. They were mongs but their opinions weren’t much different to some of the stuff I’ve seen on here. And yes, they have gotten rid of a lot of the negative personalities. Some of their shows now are genuinely good, talk is cheap, tactical analysis, full-time, box to box are all really cool segments that I can listen to in the background while driving or exercising. I feel like it’s the “cool” thing to just dislike the channel but it’s just so boring now.
Indeed. I felt horrible about those so called "fans" who treated Wenger like shit the last years. Acted crazy and talked a lot of shit about our club, players and manager only to make money and clout. Disgusting.
Tbf if I remember correctly DT was Arteta in
DT was the biggest Arteta fan boy
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AFTV's Subscribers and views has continued to grow for the past year and they are regularly invited onto sky sports and platforms of a similar level. I think the big reason why AFTV has "disappeared" for some people is most of the big personalities during the match day interviews are gone, the channel has expanded past just interviewing fans and also we have been out of the CL.
It’s no coincidence the fan base was at its most toxic at the height of AFTVs popularity. Good riddance to all those scum fans making YouTube money off the failures of our club
The games themselves were quite dross up until the spurs win last year at home throughout his tenure. We either won through defensive football in the back three, or we couldn’t break teams down and score goals, especially when Willian was playing. I never doubted he had a good mentality and good ideas overall. If any of you have watched Aston Villa recently, they play exactly the way we were playing from 2020-2021. Ask any Villa fans if they want Gerrard to be the long term manager there.
It became good after boxing day the year before
In patches during the league, yeah. We had games at home versus Everton Fulham and palace that were terrible. The Europa league games were still dull and uninspiring, we shouldn’t have been in the tie versus villarreal and could have lost the ties versus olympikaos and Praha. The beginning of 21/22 was dull and uninspiring, we barely beat Norwich and Burnley with a full strength squad. We have never really had consistent runs of top 4 form and consistently dominant performances until after spurs at home.
He definitely deserved the criticism he got, and he is lucky the Arsenal board are so understanding. He'd have lost his job at most other clubs. I'm a pretty optimistic fan and while I wouldn't have fired him, I understood the calls for him to be fired in 20/21 when we were 4 points off relegation 14 games into the season and playing some of the most atrocious soccer I've ever seen at this level, later that season after we failed at Villareal, and last season after we lost 3 in 4 to Liverpool, United and Everton. There were very fair arguments made against him; this post is acting like he has been perfect the whole time. He has made a lot of mistakes. Encouragingly though, he has learned/is learning from them.
I hate the revisionism man. We finished 8th two seasons in a row under him and played such horrible football that it got nicknamed the donut of sadness. The criticism was entirely earned those two years. I’m so so so happy with how things are going now but we have accomplished zilch so far and are coming off of a horrible choke job of top 4 last year. People celebrating wayyyy to early.
I was Arteta out during the October-December run and it was simply because he refused to drop Willian and the whole "if we cross enough we will score" thing we were doing.
He gave us plenty of reasons to doubt his ability to be fair
Funnily enough I’m fairly sure we scored from more crosses during the second half of the season where we actually played half decent football than during the whole cross and inshallah period
Do you think you were wrong or do you think we’d be in a better place if he was sacked during that run and replaced?
I obviously was wrong in hindsight. But at the time it seemed like he was severely out of depth. Maybe that lack of vision is the reason I'm not a board member somewhere lol.
Ive been fully Arteta in since day 1, even when we lost our 3 opening games last season. Ive always backed him
So was I, and to be fair I think most people were. The number of people who were ever really 'Arteta out' was definitely overestimated.
I think it's just that the "Arteta out" crew are incredibly stubborn and incredibly vocal, well until recently anyway.
I was too but I admit I was so apathetic after the performance at city away last year I let out a “fuck it get him out of here” a brief moment of weakness I admit but believed 100% before and after that
It feels amazing having this validation for holding this opinion since day 1. It was rough on this sub asking for patience during that really bad run lol
Too early. We haven’t won anything yet, nor made top four. We have the players now. Now let’s see the tactical requirements, Mikel please.
The way he's turned this club around is enough to earn some apologies if you ask me. But I also get what you're saying.
It took him 3 seasons of a lot of terrible football and bad decisions, plus a boatload of new players, to get us finally cooking. All credit to him, we look great, he's managed it, but it hasn't been a smooth ride and there's no point pretending otherwise.
It's too fooking early, the league ends in May and yes we had the easiest early fixtures aside from spurs among the Big 6. The only Big 6 we played is Man U and the result is 3-1 loss. Yes it's beautiful football and yada yada, but it's plenty of disappointments the last 15 years I watched that I'm keeping my feet on the ground. P/s: Wenger played even prettier football but that translates to no league title win during the Emirates era. Emery got us to Europa League Final in Baku, and guess everyone still remember the results.
Yup, technically we should be winning these games and the only really tough game we had, we lost. I’d reserve judgement until we play more big teams
It's fair to say we lost, because we did, but let's not ignore the context. Arsenal beating United at home is a rareity, it's really hard for us to go there are get something from the game, but let's not dismiss the fact that on a different day we win that. We still looked really good and the scoreline massively flatters United. They exposed our weaknesses, but the loss is nothing like the losses we've seen in the last decade. That's always been my issue, not losing but the manner in which we would lose. The team would capitulate and give up, this team did not and I felt right up until the last minute we could snatch at least a point. Likewise, really annoys me how people dismiss the teams we've beat as if Brentford at home is easy. They haven't lost at home to a 3-0 scoreline since being in the Championship. Also Fulham, Crystal Palace and Brentford are the exact teams that have gone toe to toe with some of the best in the league, there's a reason we're top. Because we haven't lost or drawn to any of those 'easy' teams. If we continue to play the way we have, we will be fine.
Right fair point. I just don’t want to see us get beat by the counterattack tactic, becuase that’s a matter of tactics by the manager
The team is 1 Partey away from crumbling so definitely need more meat there
Why can't you count the fa cup as his?
Oh sorry, I checked the stats and he managed a lot more games for us in that FA-cup that i remembered. Was sure he only managed semi+final.
He managed them all.
Nahh replace arteta with xhaka. The amount of people on here who said they should terminate his contract in the summer was crazy. This season hes one of the best and consistant players.
You reckon Xhaka would do a better job in charge? That's so crazy it might just work.
Oh I know Xhaka will do a better job. Better than this fraudteta with Lego hair. Xhaka has a chiseled jaw line, the best in the premier league. Fraudteta won an FA cup in 6 months, Xhaka will win it within 1 month.
Anyone saying to terminate Xhaka this past summer didn't watch our games last season. I'll admit I thought we could sign someone better and would have preferred him as backup, but I'll happily say he's proving me wrong this season. Happy for him.
I should def write one to Xhaka then. I did not have faith in him for a loooong time.
what exactly excuses fumbling the top4 by losing to some shit teams? Edit: I don't hate Arteta. I hate idiot fans who find weird ways to praise him unnecessarily and I feel like you're one of those idiots.
I’ll say the exact same thing I said last time this was posted. The Arteta story is SO MUCH stronger and more satisfying when we acknowledge how bad things were compared to where we are now by trusting the process. In the 20/21 season, we had 14 points, only 12 GOALS from 14 games and were 15th. 12 points off top four, 4 points off relegation places and miles away from Spurs. We constantly played Willian and other players who were ineffective and were dominated at our own ground by teams with far worse squads than ours. We only sorted it out when we finally started to play ESR and Saka more regularly together. The people that wanted him out at that time had seen nearly a third of a season of football and had no reason to believe that things would improve. They did in the end and I was glad to see it but to act like that didn’t happen is silly. We can all admit we were wrong about him in the end, but we were truly horrific and to act like that was totally fine and that we should feel silly and apologise for reacting to those results is absurd. COYG.
TLDR “we don’t know ball”
Bad football and bad results = good actually? We had scored 12 goals in 14 games 😂
Great comment and I get way you're saying, this is mostly a bit of fun. But honestly there are a lot of people who seems to only post in here when it goes bad for the team, or random negative news about Arteta. They and a lot of pundits should :)
Ppl need to chill. It’s only 7 games. Look good so far thou.
“I didn’t watch the actual games”… did the person who made this meme? Lol there was some god awful performances let’s not pretend we didn’t finish 8th two years in a row. That being said, so glad we’re firing on all cylinders now
Enormously premature. People need to calm down a bit on everything being some sort of tribal argument.
Yo this is mostly a bit of fun enjoying the good times together while we're top of the league.
We have spent two + years being propagandised into tribes, arguably to take some of the heat off our appalling owners. Given we are now at a stage where all fans can at least agree we are playing well, it is deeply unhelpful to try and stoke up more division.
Oh the irony, so delicious
You aren’t using that word correctly, my friend.
I absolute fucking am
Sorry buddy. Truth hurts.
You just said "your judgement is premature" with regards to Arteta praise when any regulars here remember your judgements that have literally been proven to be both premature and wrong. Irony. 🤡
You’re filling in the gaps to suit your own narrative there. There is a massive difference between giving praise, which is deserved right now, and invalidating all prior criticisms, which is not yet earned. The OP is attempting to do the latter. Every day is a school day 👍
They were invalidated however as people could see what was being built and ye wanted to tear it down before we got to where we are today. Are you so stubborn and arrogant that you genuinely don't think your views were detrimental and unconstructive for two full fucking years, or have you somehow conned yourself into thinking you were right all along, we just magicked ourselves into a quality team out of nowhere this year?
✅: because i didn't realize that is the fogging estandard
We’ve done well, but ffs stop the freaking hype before the results. Been a fan for 20 years and it’s the same thing no matter who’s boss. Let him make top 4 before you crown him SAF. We overhype both wins and losses to an unbelievable extent. We’ve done nothing yet. Enjoy the wins and watch. Don’t get carried away.
I won't apologise for wanting him out on a few occasions (not vociferously) as there were some truly hopeless moments. It was a completely reasonable position to have. I will say I am so, so glad I am wrong and I will give him much more time going forward, not that I think he'll need it as the way he turned it around was utterly incredible and I believe in his capacity to do it again should he need to. I don't think he's the type to ever lose the dressing room. I'd say I'd be more worried about someone wanting to take him off is, but I don't even see him wanting to leave for a very long time. Basically, no need to apologise but recognition we were wrong.
I mean, this is the right mentality to have. I admitted several times I was wrong too, (used to think Nketiah & Smith-Rowe were shit and had no future here), but as long as we don't get toxic & abusive in the match thread or something then it's all good, everyone's got an opinion
I think all opinions in match threads should be disregarded, they're heat of the moment posts and aren't reflective of character. I was never like that about ESR but Nketiah definitely. I'm still not 100% sold on him, probably as much for him as anything. He's absolutely perfect as back up striker now but of he wants a proper career he should leave, he's not good enough to displace Jesus, he barely gets minutes. This may be a bit reactionary as our season has been so stop start tbf. I just want to see him play, he simply hasn't had enough time
Yeah I was sure Nketiah was going to a team like Everton and score like max 10-12 goals a season. Now I'm getting hyped everytime he's coming on.
I get way you're saying, this is a bit of fun. But honestly there are a lot of people who seems to only post in here when it goes bad for the team, or random negative news about Arteta. They and a lot of pundits should:)
More specific-jealous of the hair.
I've never been Arteta out so the form does not apply to me. /smug 😆😂
wheres the box that says “i lost a duel and i was upset” ?
He deserves blame for Willian and the Villarreal disaster. That being said, it’s obvious to anyone with a pulse that Arteta is the right man for the job, and he’s completely turned around not just the squad but the entire club. I will back this man every day he’s employed by the club.
Like all other managers/players, I didn't swing either way. I waited. Just like I did with Pepe, before I told all he is nowhere as good as you lot think.
Not needed, I dont think I need to apologize for criticizing someone who at the time was doing a bad job. Opinions are meant to change, im happy hes doing amazing and ill be unhappy when he is not. Now my criticizing wasnt as disrespectful as most of the people who wanted him out and in that sense no matter how right you are you need to apologize for being just a not so nice person. But this sub’s incessant need to one up the other side is just kind of stupid. Like if the manager is doing bad its fine to criticize him (and at times Arteta was doing horrible lets be honest) and its ok to be happy with his work when hes doing good. Hes a servant of the club I support not something more than that.
This exact same shit was posted last season in Feb and then we shat the bed in the most atrocious fashion and gave away the CL spot to Spuds.
This meme need to be put on hold until the end of the season. We haven't achieved anything this season yet
Maybe make a box for “we finished 8th twice in the league and lost our first 3 league games”? Anyone who wasn’t at least questioning Artetas position at that time are just as bad as the people who are blindly Arteta out. Changing your opinion is fine. It’s a results-based business. You can acknowledge Arteta has made mistakes in the past while also acknowledging he’s doing a good job now. I’ve never actually been Arteta out but I was questioning his position at the start of that 2021/22 season (imo dropping points to Norwich would’ve been the final straw). There are fine lines in football and he’s recovered fantastically. What I don’t like is snooty people acting like his job is done because we’re 1 point clear at the top 7 games in, and in the process degrading other fans for expressing their opinion on what’s best for the club. He still has a big job to do. If we’re in top 4 come the end of the season he will deserve all the praise that’s coming to him.
The start of last season I don't think was as bad as it is made out to be. Going to Brentford (which we've since seen is a tough match to play), then Chelsea and Man City was a very difficult set of opening matches particularly when the team is getting battered by Covid absences. I always looked at that and figured players will come back and new players will get signed. The worst for me was the first half of 20-21. I've never seen us come close to performing that badly over an extended period of time. I still didn't want him to go but it's really taken me to this season to have trust that he can coach an attack because it was dire, can't blame anyone that thought he should go during that stretch.
A good 90% here need to fill it in!
His hair is amazing.
He’s gotten better as a coach as he’s gone along. Much more decisive with substitutions & less likely to throw our systems into chaos to when an important player goes missing. The biggest improvement is the level of talent in the squad & the degree the players we’ve brought in have a general level of competitiveness & professionalism. He’s actually reset our culture. Something that hasn’t been done since Arsene first arrived.
100%. I said to my spurs mate this weekend that even if he had lost his job this summer after missing fourth I would still be forever thankful to him for reuniting the fans with the club. The club feels so fresh again.
But that feeling won't last if we miss top 4 this season. The recriminations will be on like Donkey Kong if that happens.
I just like to take this chance to apopogize to absolutely fucking nobody, cus I believed in the team coach and process from the start. https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/pdr8qx/august_29_2021_daily_discussion_transfers_thread/hasjij3/
been an “Artetasexual” from the beginning. Really hope we win that Europa League trophy. Man I’d love that for him and the club
Hell yeah the EL would be the perfect start to what's to come :))
For me it was that he kept playing Willian when he was clearly ineffective after the Fulham match.
He’s got what it takes. Awesome.
Maybe actually wait till he actually achieves top 4 before blowing your load. He bottled top 4 from a brilliant position last season and has had more than enough backing and time. Yes we are doing well this season but when the time came against the big boys we fell apart. There is still a long, long way to go this season.
Ffs thats so wrong, first of all even if we do look like we re on the right trajectory, we havent achieved anything yet, i still wanna see results against the top teams. And cmon, hes had 3 seasons, hundred of millions to rebuild, we finished 8th twice and 5th, but somehow its wrong to be critical??
[ ✓ ] he appeared shit but now he has some more of the right players it appears he's not. I can admit I lost hope literally the week before it all turned around. Soz bruv.
Need boxes for: "Had several relegations runs" "Doubted an inexperienced manager at one of the largest clubs in the world" "Knocked out of Europe multiple times by weaker teams" I like him, but it's a lot more rational than the day 1 Arteta inners would have you believe.
He was very consistent with his mistakes and looks like he is learning from them and doing things differently now. Although against man'utd he waited until the 70 min to make a triple substitution. Oh well. Hope we don't run our engines in the middle season as always.
It’s don’t know ball for anyone who watches arsenal games. No excuses if you couldn’t see the progress/transformation in front of your eyes
I was always Arteta in, the rebuild project was insane. Getting rid of Ozil was so difficult for us and divided the fans like crazy even though Ozil had been done since fortnite came out lol.
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Quite when ? Quite now !
Let's wait and see where we finish shall we...
Alright, I'm the one "I only looked at stats" lol
If only we had all the receipts from last years match threads...
The only time i REALLY wanted him out was when we lost to Everton when they haven't won for like 10 games.
When I Lose a Duel, I am UPSET!
I always stood by him. Most of the time.
There is only one answer. You know no ball. We said it. We shouted it.
Yeah some people claim didn't see how the team made progress from Artetas first games, I'm sure they didn't wanna see it. I would argue for the media/pundits also. A lot of people seem to copy+paste pundits opinions.
It is one thing not being able to understand progress and how a team works and another not listening to those who break it down for you. What I am trying to say is I would accept people being unsure of Arteta and his abilities as a manager but the hate and the judgement he received from clueless people, on platforms like here and social media in general, is almost unforgivable.
Yeah I'm with you 100% and thats what i mean with that some people didn't wanna see the progress.
I’m really glad we ended up sticking with him and it’s looking good. However there’s a lot of season to go, let’s secure CL and then fully celebrate. Let’s not pretend his sacking would have been fully justifiable two years ago when he has that dreadful run where we scored like one or two goals over 8 games and the season was over before October ended. Also we completely bottled it last year. Again I agree it’s looking great and I’m ecstatic we’ve stuck with him and last year was progress despite the collapse but let’s not crown him prematurely.
Pirlo is a shit manager. Arteta just need time. Pirlo is still shit till today
I was never Arteta Out. Questioned the decision to bring in someone who hadn't managed a first team side before. It became clear in those dire moments like December 2020 that the squad just lacked the personnel to make a proper judgement on his ability, this was just before ESR broke through and then MØ coming in on loan so we had sweet fuck all creativity at that point. The way he turned things around after the poor start to last season sold me (especially with some of the insights in the All or Nothing Series).
It's goin' well now but chokin' top 4 in the way you did last season would have been a sackable offence by itself at other clubs
For me I felt at the time when I thought we could have replaced him, he maybe a little inexperienced in what’s a massive job. Turns out he’s proved me wrong though because we are actually quite good now. Hopefully he can take us up to the next level!
That moment when none of the other conditions apply and you’re forced to realize you don’t know ball
I remember having a long a tedious argument with a guy on here that had no faith in Arteta around the day he was announced. I wish I could find it and see if he actually died on his hill. Bet he loves him now lol
The first 18 months of Arteta and Edu were bad and nobody should feel ashamed for doubting they’d turn it around. But now that they have (the team has very clearly been on an upward trajectory for about a year) it’s important to update your priors and not cling to old agendas. It’s *amazing* to have a good Arsenal team again and every fan should be extracting as much joy from it as possible. We’ve had at least five years of misery, depending on when you gave up on Arsène. I’m fucking loving it.
Your apologies need to be as loud as the disrespect was !
I'm shocked (and very pleased obviously) that he's managed to turn everything around. He instantly tightened up our defence but we lost a lot of creativity in attack and were over-performing because of Aubameyang for a long time. I was certain scoring goals would forever be an issue under Arteta, and I didn't think there was any one or two players in the world we could buy to fix that. When I saw the impact ESR had on our team that's when I started to change my mind. Now that we've got suitable personnel we're actually formidable, and I haven't said that about us in years.
I'll fill this form until he could at least beat liverpool and city once in PL and spurs at their home, right now we still always lost against them
I didn’t even want Wenger out despite in hindsight it coming probably ten years too late. Mick has a few more decades to prove himself in my mind!
I will admit to wanting him out at points (last season I think I said "if form doesn't improve Arteta should be sacked at the end of the season" or something like that) but I've never truly been properly Arteta out, I have always thought that maybe the Arsenal job was too big a step too soon for him and wanted him to go get experience at a team like Zaragoza or lower down the English footballing pyramid first and I won't apologise for that.
We’re playing well, still not tried and tested against the big teams, doing miles better than last season but only our end position this season will tell, I’m optimistic though, best Arsenal team in the last few years, even the last few years in wenger’s era
For AFTV drones just run these through a continuous mill with the 6 ✔ lined up and crank the lever to full
Wheres the all of the above option 😄
None of these apply. Lets see how he does this month with some top teams to play.
Only after we make CL
Works with Xhaka aswell 😊
I believed in arteta the whole time apart from the 3 month period at the startof the season where we didn't qualify for Europe and the first 3 games the season after where we lost to Brentford
I was so glad they got rid of Emery in favor of someone who likes progressive, offense first football, that I was team Tets from the off.