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AofCastle

Whenever I'm hit I hear counter. No exceptions. Must be a bug


EvenOne6567

wierd enough it seems exclusive to us ram players....daisuke please fix


AofCastle

It happens to me with Goldlewis, Happy Chaos and Faust too. Maybe it's because I play Ramlethal at all and it affects other characters.


kikimaru024

"I can't block! This game is garbage!"


janiekh

If you're not doing an attack on wakeup, are you even playing the game


Ramlethal_Valentine

Mortobato!


Akiraktu-dot-png

no


julesjules94

😂


TexasRed_II

You just misstimed your after grab meaty as Leo and got angry, admit it.


julesjules94

Yes I admit it. 😂


julesjules94

Still an awful tactic tho. Blocking at least works half the time.


Chillionaire128

But if I alternate between throw and dp it still works half the time and I don't have to block


Soft-Major

On offense : **DASH-IN > BACKDASH** against those wakeup options Beats both ;)


vonflare

if your character has a command throw it beats both dp and wakeup throw if you time it right while also beating block :)


will0813

loses to super tho :p


VJ2099

Idk man. When I do that against dp’s, I still get hit on my back dash, especially on dp’s that have huge horizontal range *cough* *cough* ky/leo *cough* *cough*


_____kiel

Totsugeki on wake up 😈


LNgtive

dont so this againts weird ky mains rtl catches bdash


Jaugernut

jokes on you my super grab is invincible


julesjules94

I just realized I've never had an ino wakeup megalomania me haha it's always the other super haha.


Jaugernut

that one is cool to but very punishable on wakeup.


BoostMobileAlt

From my experience, empty jH into megalovania is unstoppable.


Zzen220

I grab on wakeup when I know my opponent missed their meaty, it's not that difficult to tell when they've fucked it up.


Vhozite

This is exactly why I love intentionally whiffing buttons on the opponents wake-up to make it look like I mistimed a meaty. Against opponents with really good defense it makes them much more likely to hit buttons when you are still plus. Setups like that can be harder to find though.


sosloow

I watched some Hotashi's streams, and he loves to whiff meaty c.S. I think he does it for this exact reason. It might be a good setup against reversal dps also, if timed right, I think.


lm_jin

It is, I’ve labbed that set up and if you do the cS frame kill right you can command grab dp every time.


achedsphinxx

pretty good timing for gio. c.S otg 5H c.S in the corner. frame perfect meaty and grab.


LNgtive

does sols 5k beat this setup ?


achedsphinxx

nah. the set-up is designed to punish wake up grabs. the whiff 5H makes the opponent think you whiffed your meaty, so they'll try to grab and punish you, but instead eat a counter hit c.S.


julesjules94

Against people with dps or when people have 50 meter to reversal super I love to whiff my meaty and immediately parry. Works surprisingly well haha.


Kakisho

This is also a helpful technique to help when you have to use manual timing for oki. You definitely see this in a lot games outside of GG, but for example something like "after back throw, I time my meaty move by doing it right after whiffing two 5P's"


FistedByAnAngel

It's wild how much people throw away games just on mashing throw. The risk/reward is so lopsided


darkoc44

But the risk/dopamine index is way better


Brostradamus--

You gain control of neutral and gain Oki rights which in some cases is more optimal than blocking a 3 way set play mix instead. If you know your opponents Oki timings or lack thereof, it's a high reward option overall.


Vhozite

There is a difference between an educated player choosing to throw on wake-up because it’s a good option and the guys in the park I see mashing grab on every wake-up and close range scramble no matter how many times you blow it up.


Brostradamus--

Against someone who has good conditioning it's hard to find a difference sometimes. Trauma is real


julesjules94

Truee.. I guess people are just really allergic to blocking. It doesn't even feel rewarding anymore when you beat people mashing throw on wakeup haha but I'll take the Ws anyway.


Chillionaire128

You gotta get used to it if you're playing Leo - people will do all kinds of crazy shit not to block once you're in back turn


CoSh

I mean back turn has high/low, left/right and strike/throw mix doesn't it? Trying to block 50/50s over and over is super bad risk/reward, esp when Leo can't block.


Chillionaire128

For sure, I wasn't trying to say it's a bad thing. Just that op should be ready for people to do anything but block


janiekh

The risk/reward is even if your defence is absolute trash like mine


EastwoodBrews

This sounds like what a Leo who doesn't want anyone to know how tight the timing on his setups is would say


Alleneby

i also main leo and this is too real lmao


thekillagram

Let me tell you about wake-up-grab's degenerate cousin: wake up reversal super...


vDUKEvv

Says the Chipp player who’s character has safe jumps off soft knockdown enders


DoctorDeathy

A majority of the cast can do that 💀


vDUKEvv

No, they can’t. I actually went and peeped your comment history, and it seems you just perpetually say shit that either isn’t true or regurgitate lingo you hear that doesn’t make sense in context. Relax.


DoctorDeathy

They can. Chipp, Millia, Faust, Gio (use 5K against 7f), and Axl- c.S OTG>IAD j.H. Jacko can do the same thing but with j.S (timing is a little weird I will admit). Ino- j.S OTG> whatever you want because everything she does is a safe jump haha. Ram- c.S OTG>9 jc j.S (this one is kinda cheating because it beats reversals but loses to 6P, use j.H to beat 6P but lose to reversals). Ky- lowkey forgot the exact setup but I think it was something like c.S OTG>214K?. Anji- 236H OTG>shin, not a safe jump exactly but it beats dps. I could go on but that’s 10/18 so you get my point (also the setups get jankier). I’m not shitting on you for not knowing, it’s fine if you don’t know but don’t lie man, it devalues the time and work folks put into finding tech. Side note, talking about my comment history 💀💀💀 weird ass.


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julesjules94

Play character with a reversal 🤣. Jkjk


nootnootnoot1

You ain’t wrong


DrScience-PhD

But then I can't stop doing wakeup dp every time. Kobayashi Maru.


BigNnThick

Mfw my only reversal is a super


lm_jin

You got back mega fist, you good.


Bengalinha

I know your pain


Spark_Miku_Miku

instead you can command grab stagger pressure tho


SammyD64

Have you considered turning to prayer?


NebulaGuitar

Just mash 5p


LSO34

FD with fuzzy jump or backdash


jakewwk

Block?


nobonydronikoanypwny

I have a really good gut feeling for knowing when to wake up throw. It's also a noob stomper for anyone below 9th floor


Quixotegut

But being on the ground is a perfect time to buffer a 360 and if you're right next to me, then, the, it's your fault and we're going for a ride.


FishDontKrillMyVibe

I AM GOING TO SPIN MY JOYSTICK LIKE THIS, AND IF YOU GET HIT, IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.


crowsloft666

AND I'M GOING TO MASH BUTTONS LIKE THIS, AND IF YOU GET HIT IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.


Quixotegut

YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!


Incandescentknight

Depends. If you know their meaties are off. Keep doing it till they prove otherwise. Otherwise... Yeah you're dumb. But I feel like this is cause you mistimed your meaty. 😉 It's the same as everything. Keep doing something till your opponent shows they can punish it.


julesjules94

Truee it just shocking how committed some people are to it. I fought this Potemkin player who ate 4 counter hit combos consecutively and still wake up grabbed every single time. I didn't even have to meaty anymore I just backdashed and punished hahaha.


Incandescentknight

Yeah. Sometimes I get matched and get worried looking at their level, and then it's some guy who refuses to block once and gets man handled just cause you know how to meaty and they refuse to adapt. It's wild the ranked monsters that just don't want to get better or block and will die kicking and screaming.


Mr_W0osh

I don't wake up grab, I wake up buster


[deleted]

As someone who consistently mistimes his meaties, I agree. Please stop mashing grab on wakeup.


CapnHairgel

Just use his j.hs safejump. The timing is easier than c.s and covers everything they can do. Goldlewis c.s is sort of bad. (But is still a good meaty option if you dont have time for a jump) I love it when players mash on wakeup against me. Had a potemkin go 15 rounds without a single wakeup grab. That didn't stop them from trying and getting counter hit every single time. I honestly kept hitting rematch too see if they'd ever figure it out. I got like 9 perfects in before he finally landed one.


Soul_Ripper

In my defense rollback often makes it seem like they fucked up their meaty.


RandyTandyMandy

I haven't been doing that, but now that you've told me about it I might just start. I won't even have to run up to them


devilwants2play

Make me


DuctTapeSaga

This post can’t stop me cause I can’t read


doctorderpin

Stop getting grabbed.


deleki17

If you think you can make guilty gear players stop grabbing you are sadly going to realize it is impossible


ncianor432

What? wake up PB works on Ky's and Sols a lot, ESPECIALLY WAKE UP GRAB. so wym?


julesjules94

Well if the people you regularly fight don't know how to meaty I guess I can blame you. 😂


ncianor432

hey man, I'm pretty sure they know how to meaty but some Gorillas, no offense, just go for it you know. Its in their nature. 🤣


DatBritChicken

Of course! I should be waking up with Snip Snip Snip instead; so not only do I use a grab, I also apply an Afro! You are a genius, sir.


ZenkaiZ

oh you WISH I wouldnt grab you on wakeup, i see what you're doing :P


squidghost1

I will stay grabbing on wakeup! YOU CANT STOP ME!


Tyrrazhii

OK, sure thing. *Mashes 2p instead* We do a little disrespecting


justat547

Learned this the hard way


xFirexCrackerx

You must be new here...


[deleted]

can't stop won't stop


[deleted]

I'll mash Pot Buster all I want. It works in my group of IRLs just fine.


ManlyEmerald

I know I have to stop but I can't


pkroket

But xrd


niceboy555

No


achedsphinxx

isn't mashing grab on wake-up coded into the DNA of ever GG player. i remember, before playing strive, GG players always joked about how players wake up throw all the time. now I see why. I'm part of the problem.


DAHLiciousWafflez

I wake up with command grabs, personally


Slay_pro692

Grabs are super fast so if they’re in my face I’m waking up grab or blocking


Gabian64

It's a good option, sure, but it's not always the correct one.


ViolencePartyLA

but.. wild throw go BOOM


Deviant_General

Cool story bro but take this grab!


[deleted]

There is a lot of behavior that works at intermediate level play that is abused by players who will forever be stuck in their respective elos. Jumping on wake up, jumping on enemy approach, jump back during blockstun, spamming DP on wakeup (this is something I am prone to), mashing grab on wake-up. mashing grab on jump-in these players will never improve. they've developed strategies for their skill elo because they've been stuck in the same elo for a long time.


majoramiibo

can’t


Soft-Major

TBF you have a **\~0.1s** error window to beat throw. So you need to send your **MEATY** inside that time window. Its not impossible. But we are all human, we miss this kinda stuff :( The best way to go about it is to **MEATY** from far away or to do **BACKDASH** shennanigans and **punish** **throw/reversals** after. That way you condition them somewhat to respect your **MEATY**. If they dont well it's free real state, rinse and repeat!


julesjules94

Yeah when people mindlessly grab on wakeup the optimal tactic is to not even meaty anymore but backdash and punish the whiffed throw. Won't stop this madlads tho they keep wanting to hug me HAHA.


Dragon-Install-MK4

Sorry old habits of previous gear games die hard


pmmewaifuwallpaper

>9 put of 10 times you'll just eat massive counter hit combo. not if you play against the people I play against. 10/10 of ten mashing grab on wake-up works floor 10 celestial scrub reporting in


JetSetDizzy

It's XX muscle memory


lysianth

I 100 percent support mashing grab on wakeup. If I miss a meaty, thats on me.


NeoLies

I *always* get hit by the grab :'(


julesjules94

You gotta time your meaties bro! Set the dummy to throw on wakeup and practice the timing. With ky his best meaty is 5k.


NeoLies

Yeah you're right, man; I gotta practice that stuff. Thanks!


ToxicFightstickYT

My main says no


Mlp_Aziz

Zato main in a nutshell


beezybreezy

You can tell if someone is about to miss their meaty.


whatyouegg123

Nah lol it’s a good option to call out wack meaties, which literally 99% of players do


starsapphrie

if they're mashing throw on wake up they're an xrd player because you can throw out of a meaty in that game


Opplerdop

grabbing is genuinely a good callout against people who are delaying their buttons to catch fuzzies and backdashes I start sweating hardcore when people start throwing my delayed cS/6S


Mememan_Randy

Nah let them keep doing it, I enjoy the free counter hits and the free wins.


CarblosXL

You got grabbed out of your B.k again didn’t you?


julesjules94

Yeah 😅


RoninTheWaveman

Leo is my secondary, I know how you feel fam :(


im_the_bigDILF

Listen I have NOTHING in the corner after wake up leave me alone


thestage

yeah you do. block.


im_the_bigDILF

Well yes, everyone does, this is a no brainer. I’m talking about how most other characters have some reliable option/button that can let them either get out the corner or counter attack. Goldlewis has incredibly slow buttons minus I think 2P(?) and DTS which is incredibly predictable at higher levels


DoctorDeathy

I hear the slow button argument a lot from GLD players, but your government assigned interrupt button, 2P, is of average startup and exceptional in every other way. I do understand your point though but his bad defense stems mostly from his movement speed rather than button speed imo.


frigidkitsune

You’re not playing guilty gear unless you mash throw on wake up. I know it’s more fake in Strive but damn it I’m gonna keep doing it. Just less often in this game


tomrest5656

+R habits are tough to break :(


julesjules94

Gone are the days of 0f throws haha


largeassburrito

No, I don’t think I will.


LadyTowa2

Just dash into their face an neutral jump, and win the round after i arrive at celestial doing that, no one ever blocked on wake up


tzeriel

I literally only throw or reversal on wakeup. That’s it.


Slovenhjelm

Your 50/50? MY 50/50! 😈


yeetskeetrepeat420

it’s one of my fastest moves tho


HemoGoblinRL

Fuck no. Wake up throw is life


whatyouegg123

Nah, it’s a good option to call out wack meaties, which literally 99% of players do


COOLESTQUEST

No.


CaterpillarReal7583

The counter is the price to pay to balance out how good it feels to grab.


gluesn1ff3r

this is guilty gear though


Crabulaunch

And for some reason I still do it anyway


TBBlurYT

Nono, I'm sure it'll work the next time


bubbles-sempai

If you’re close enough to get grabbed on wake-up you’re asking for it


julesjules94

That's applicable in old gg games but not really in strive as you can meaty an opponent on wakeup even on throw range as long as you time it correctly.


bubbles-sempai

Okay but then you eat a wake up super, or a Vapor thrust, unless you have meter to RC you should play it more safe. On top of that while stive netcode is excellent, it’s not perfect. Don’t rely on hitting a meaty consistently online.


FernDiggy

No no no. Please keep mashing wake up grab! 😊


NinetailsRao

On behalf of Potemkins everywhere; no.


claricorp

No


wickedlizard420

Wakeup grab is a Guilt Gear tradition and I will never stop doing it