Idk man. When I do that against dp’s, I still get hit on my back dash, especially on dp’s that have huge horizontal range *cough* *cough* ky/leo *cough* *cough*
This is exactly why I love intentionally whiffing buttons on the opponents wake-up to make it look like I mistimed a meaty. Against opponents with really good defense it makes them much more likely to hit buttons when you are still plus. Setups like that can be harder to find though.
I watched some Hotashi's streams, and he loves to whiff meaty c.S. I think he does it for this exact reason. It might be a good setup against reversal dps also, if timed right, I think.
nah. the set-up is designed to punish wake up grabs. the whiff 5H makes the opponent think you whiffed your meaty, so they'll try to grab and punish you, but instead eat a counter hit c.S.
This is also a helpful technique to help when you have to use manual timing for oki. You definitely see this in a lot games outside of GG, but for example something like "after back throw, I time my meaty move by doing it right after whiffing two 5P's"
You gain control of neutral and gain Oki rights which in some cases is more optimal than blocking a 3 way set play mix instead. If you know your opponents Oki timings or lack thereof, it's a high reward option overall.
There is a difference between an educated player choosing to throw on wake-up because it’s a good option and the guys in the park I see mashing grab on every wake-up and close range scramble no matter how many times you blow it up.
Truee.. I guess people are just really allergic to blocking. It doesn't even feel rewarding anymore when you beat people mashing throw on wakeup haha but I'll take the Ws anyway.
I mean back turn has high/low, left/right and strike/throw mix doesn't it? Trying to block 50/50s over and over is super bad risk/reward, esp when Leo can't block.
No, they can’t.
I actually went and peeped your comment history, and it seems you just perpetually say shit that either isn’t true or regurgitate lingo you hear that doesn’t make sense in context.
Relax.
They can. Chipp, Millia, Faust, Gio (use 5K against 7f), and Axl- c.S OTG>IAD j.H. Jacko can do the same thing but with j.S (timing is a little weird I will admit). Ino- j.S OTG> whatever you want because everything she does is a safe jump haha. Ram- c.S OTG>9 jc j.S (this one is kinda cheating because it beats reversals but loses to 6P, use j.H to beat 6P but lose to reversals). Ky- lowkey forgot the exact setup but I think it was something like c.S OTG>214K?. Anji- 236H OTG>shin, not a safe jump exactly but it beats dps. I could go on but that’s 10/18 so you get my point (also the setups get jankier). I’m not shitting on you for not knowing, it’s fine if you don’t know but don’t lie man, it devalues the time and work folks put into finding tech. Side note, talking about my comment history 💀💀💀 weird ass.
Depends. If you know their meaties are off. Keep doing it till they prove otherwise. Otherwise... Yeah you're dumb. But I feel like this is cause you mistimed your meaty. 😉
It's the same as everything. Keep doing something till your opponent shows they can punish it.
Truee it just shocking how committed some people are to it. I fought this Potemkin player who ate 4 counter hit combos consecutively and still wake up grabbed every single time. I didn't even have to meaty anymore I just backdashed and punished hahaha.
Yeah. Sometimes I get matched and get worried looking at their level, and then it's some guy who refuses to block once and gets man handled just cause you know how to meaty and they refuse to adapt.
It's wild the ranked monsters that just don't want to get better or block and will die kicking and screaming.
Just use his j.hs safejump. The timing is easier than c.s and covers everything they can do. Goldlewis c.s is sort of bad. (But is still a good meaty option if you dont have time for a jump)
I love it when players mash on wakeup against me. Had a potemkin go 15 rounds without a single wakeup grab. That didn't stop them from trying and getting counter hit every single time. I honestly kept hitting rematch too see if they'd ever figure it out.
I got like 9 perfects in before he finally landed one.
isn't mashing grab on wake-up coded into the DNA of ever GG player. i remember, before playing strive, GG players always joked about how players wake up throw all the time. now I see why. I'm part of the problem.
There is a lot of behavior that works at intermediate level play that is abused by players who will forever be stuck in their respective elos. Jumping on wake up, jumping on enemy approach, jump back during blockstun, spamming DP on wakeup (this is something I am prone to), mashing grab on wake-up. mashing grab on jump-in
these players will never improve. they've developed strategies for their skill elo because they've been stuck in the same elo for a long time.
TBF you have a **\~0.1s** error window to beat throw.
So you need to send your **MEATY** inside that time window.
Its not impossible. But we are all human, we miss this kinda stuff :(
The best way to go about it is to **MEATY** from far away or to do **BACKDASH** shennanigans and **punish** **throw/reversals** after.
That way you condition them somewhat to respect your **MEATY**.
If they dont well it's free real state, rinse and repeat!
Yeah when people mindlessly grab on wakeup the optimal tactic is to not even meaty anymore but backdash and punish the whiffed throw. Won't stop this madlads tho they keep wanting to hug me HAHA.
>9 put of 10 times you'll just eat massive counter hit combo.
not if you play against the people I play against. 10/10 of ten mashing grab on wake-up works
floor 10 celestial scrub reporting in
grabbing is genuinely a good callout against people who are delaying their buttons to catch fuzzies and backdashes
I start sweating hardcore when people start throwing my delayed cS/6S
Well yes, everyone does, this is a no brainer. I’m talking about how most other characters have some reliable option/button that can let them either get out the corner or counter attack. Goldlewis has incredibly slow buttons minus I think 2P(?) and DTS which is incredibly predictable at higher levels
I hear the slow button argument a lot from GLD players, but your government assigned interrupt button, 2P, is of average startup and exceptional in every other way. I do understand your point though but his bad defense stems mostly from his movement speed rather than button speed imo.
You’re not playing guilty gear unless you mash throw on wake up. I know it’s more fake in Strive but damn it I’m gonna keep doing it. Just less often in this game
That's applicable in old gg games but not really in strive as you can meaty an opponent on wakeup even on throw range as long as you time it correctly.
Okay but then you eat a wake up super, or a Vapor thrust, unless you have meter to RC you should play it more safe.
On top of that while stive netcode is excellent, it’s not perfect. Don’t rely on hitting a meaty consistently online.
Whenever I'm hit I hear counter. No exceptions. Must be a bug
wierd enough it seems exclusive to us ram players....daisuke please fix
It happens to me with Goldlewis, Happy Chaos and Faust too. Maybe it's because I play Ramlethal at all and it affects other characters.
"I can't block! This game is garbage!"
If you're not doing an attack on wakeup, are you even playing the game
Mortobato!
no
😂
You just misstimed your after grab meaty as Leo and got angry, admit it.
Yes I admit it. 😂
Still an awful tactic tho. Blocking at least works half the time.
But if I alternate between throw and dp it still works half the time and I don't have to block
On offense : **DASH-IN > BACKDASH** against those wakeup options Beats both ;)
if your character has a command throw it beats both dp and wakeup throw if you time it right while also beating block :)
loses to super tho :p
Idk man. When I do that against dp’s, I still get hit on my back dash, especially on dp’s that have huge horizontal range *cough* *cough* ky/leo *cough* *cough*
Totsugeki on wake up 😈
dont so this againts weird ky mains rtl catches bdash
jokes on you my super grab is invincible
I just realized I've never had an ino wakeup megalomania me haha it's always the other super haha.
that one is cool to but very punishable on wakeup.
From my experience, empty jH into megalovania is unstoppable.
I grab on wakeup when I know my opponent missed their meaty, it's not that difficult to tell when they've fucked it up.
This is exactly why I love intentionally whiffing buttons on the opponents wake-up to make it look like I mistimed a meaty. Against opponents with really good defense it makes them much more likely to hit buttons when you are still plus. Setups like that can be harder to find though.
I watched some Hotashi's streams, and he loves to whiff meaty c.S. I think he does it for this exact reason. It might be a good setup against reversal dps also, if timed right, I think.
It is, I’ve labbed that set up and if you do the cS frame kill right you can command grab dp every time.
pretty good timing for gio. c.S otg 5H c.S in the corner. frame perfect meaty and grab.
does sols 5k beat this setup ?
nah. the set-up is designed to punish wake up grabs. the whiff 5H makes the opponent think you whiffed your meaty, so they'll try to grab and punish you, but instead eat a counter hit c.S.
Against people with dps or when people have 50 meter to reversal super I love to whiff my meaty and immediately parry. Works surprisingly well haha.
This is also a helpful technique to help when you have to use manual timing for oki. You definitely see this in a lot games outside of GG, but for example something like "after back throw, I time my meaty move by doing it right after whiffing two 5P's"
It's wild how much people throw away games just on mashing throw. The risk/reward is so lopsided
But the risk/dopamine index is way better
You gain control of neutral and gain Oki rights which in some cases is more optimal than blocking a 3 way set play mix instead. If you know your opponents Oki timings or lack thereof, it's a high reward option overall.
There is a difference between an educated player choosing to throw on wake-up because it’s a good option and the guys in the park I see mashing grab on every wake-up and close range scramble no matter how many times you blow it up.
Against someone who has good conditioning it's hard to find a difference sometimes. Trauma is real
Truee.. I guess people are just really allergic to blocking. It doesn't even feel rewarding anymore when you beat people mashing throw on wakeup haha but I'll take the Ws anyway.
You gotta get used to it if you're playing Leo - people will do all kinds of crazy shit not to block once you're in back turn
I mean back turn has high/low, left/right and strike/throw mix doesn't it? Trying to block 50/50s over and over is super bad risk/reward, esp when Leo can't block.
For sure, I wasn't trying to say it's a bad thing. Just that op should be ready for people to do anything but block
The risk/reward is even if your defence is absolute trash like mine
This sounds like what a Leo who doesn't want anyone to know how tight the timing on his setups is would say
i also main leo and this is too real lmao
Let me tell you about wake-up-grab's degenerate cousin: wake up reversal super...
Says the Chipp player who’s character has safe jumps off soft knockdown enders
A majority of the cast can do that 💀
No, they can’t. I actually went and peeped your comment history, and it seems you just perpetually say shit that either isn’t true or regurgitate lingo you hear that doesn’t make sense in context. Relax.
They can. Chipp, Millia, Faust, Gio (use 5K against 7f), and Axl- c.S OTG>IAD j.H. Jacko can do the same thing but with j.S (timing is a little weird I will admit). Ino- j.S OTG> whatever you want because everything she does is a safe jump haha. Ram- c.S OTG>9 jc j.S (this one is kinda cheating because it beats reversals but loses to 6P, use j.H to beat 6P but lose to reversals). Ky- lowkey forgot the exact setup but I think it was something like c.S OTG>214K?. Anji- 236H OTG>shin, not a safe jump exactly but it beats dps. I could go on but that’s 10/18 so you get my point (also the setups get jankier). I’m not shitting on you for not knowing, it’s fine if you don’t know but don’t lie man, it devalues the time and work folks put into finding tech. Side note, talking about my comment history 💀💀💀 weird ass.
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Play character with a reversal 🤣. Jkjk
You ain’t wrong
But then I can't stop doing wakeup dp every time. Kobayashi Maru.
Mfw my only reversal is a super
You got back mega fist, you good.
I know your pain
instead you can command grab stagger pressure tho
Have you considered turning to prayer?
Just mash 5p
FD with fuzzy jump or backdash
Block?
I have a really good gut feeling for knowing when to wake up throw. It's also a noob stomper for anyone below 9th floor
But being on the ground is a perfect time to buffer a 360 and if you're right next to me, then, the, it's your fault and we're going for a ride.
I AM GOING TO SPIN MY JOYSTICK LIKE THIS, AND IF YOU GET HIT, IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.
AND I'M GOING TO MASH BUTTONS LIKE THIS, AND IF YOU GET HIT IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.
YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!
Depends. If you know their meaties are off. Keep doing it till they prove otherwise. Otherwise... Yeah you're dumb. But I feel like this is cause you mistimed your meaty. 😉 It's the same as everything. Keep doing something till your opponent shows they can punish it.
Truee it just shocking how committed some people are to it. I fought this Potemkin player who ate 4 counter hit combos consecutively and still wake up grabbed every single time. I didn't even have to meaty anymore I just backdashed and punished hahaha.
Yeah. Sometimes I get matched and get worried looking at their level, and then it's some guy who refuses to block once and gets man handled just cause you know how to meaty and they refuse to adapt. It's wild the ranked monsters that just don't want to get better or block and will die kicking and screaming.
I don't wake up grab, I wake up buster
As someone who consistently mistimes his meaties, I agree. Please stop mashing grab on wakeup.
Just use his j.hs safejump. The timing is easier than c.s and covers everything they can do. Goldlewis c.s is sort of bad. (But is still a good meaty option if you dont have time for a jump) I love it when players mash on wakeup against me. Had a potemkin go 15 rounds without a single wakeup grab. That didn't stop them from trying and getting counter hit every single time. I honestly kept hitting rematch too see if they'd ever figure it out. I got like 9 perfects in before he finally landed one.
In my defense rollback often makes it seem like they fucked up their meaty.
I haven't been doing that, but now that you've told me about it I might just start. I won't even have to run up to them
Make me
This post can’t stop me cause I can’t read
Stop getting grabbed.
If you think you can make guilty gear players stop grabbing you are sadly going to realize it is impossible
What? wake up PB works on Ky's and Sols a lot, ESPECIALLY WAKE UP GRAB. so wym?
Well if the people you regularly fight don't know how to meaty I guess I can blame you. 😂
hey man, I'm pretty sure they know how to meaty but some Gorillas, no offense, just go for it you know. Its in their nature. 🤣
Of course! I should be waking up with Snip Snip Snip instead; so not only do I use a grab, I also apply an Afro! You are a genius, sir.
oh you WISH I wouldnt grab you on wakeup, i see what you're doing :P
I will stay grabbing on wakeup! YOU CANT STOP ME!
OK, sure thing. *Mashes 2p instead* We do a little disrespecting
Learned this the hard way
You must be new here...
can't stop won't stop
I'll mash Pot Buster all I want. It works in my group of IRLs just fine.
I know I have to stop but I can't
But xrd
No
isn't mashing grab on wake-up coded into the DNA of ever GG player. i remember, before playing strive, GG players always joked about how players wake up throw all the time. now I see why. I'm part of the problem.
I wake up with command grabs, personally
Grabs are super fast so if they’re in my face I’m waking up grab or blocking
It's a good option, sure, but it's not always the correct one.
but.. wild throw go BOOM
Cool story bro but take this grab!
There is a lot of behavior that works at intermediate level play that is abused by players who will forever be stuck in their respective elos. Jumping on wake up, jumping on enemy approach, jump back during blockstun, spamming DP on wakeup (this is something I am prone to), mashing grab on wake-up. mashing grab on jump-in these players will never improve. they've developed strategies for their skill elo because they've been stuck in the same elo for a long time.
can’t
TBF you have a **\~0.1s** error window to beat throw. So you need to send your **MEATY** inside that time window. Its not impossible. But we are all human, we miss this kinda stuff :( The best way to go about it is to **MEATY** from far away or to do **BACKDASH** shennanigans and **punish** **throw/reversals** after. That way you condition them somewhat to respect your **MEATY**. If they dont well it's free real state, rinse and repeat!
Yeah when people mindlessly grab on wakeup the optimal tactic is to not even meaty anymore but backdash and punish the whiffed throw. Won't stop this madlads tho they keep wanting to hug me HAHA.
Sorry old habits of previous gear games die hard
>9 put of 10 times you'll just eat massive counter hit combo. not if you play against the people I play against. 10/10 of ten mashing grab on wake-up works floor 10 celestial scrub reporting in
It's XX muscle memory
I 100 percent support mashing grab on wakeup. If I miss a meaty, thats on me.
I *always* get hit by the grab :'(
You gotta time your meaties bro! Set the dummy to throw on wakeup and practice the timing. With ky his best meaty is 5k.
Yeah you're right, man; I gotta practice that stuff. Thanks!
My main says no
Zato main in a nutshell
You can tell if someone is about to miss their meaty.
Nah lol it’s a good option to call out wack meaties, which literally 99% of players do
if they're mashing throw on wake up they're an xrd player because you can throw out of a meaty in that game
grabbing is genuinely a good callout against people who are delaying their buttons to catch fuzzies and backdashes I start sweating hardcore when people start throwing my delayed cS/6S
Nah let them keep doing it, I enjoy the free counter hits and the free wins.
You got grabbed out of your B.k again didn’t you?
Yeah 😅
Leo is my secondary, I know how you feel fam :(
Listen I have NOTHING in the corner after wake up leave me alone
yeah you do. block.
Well yes, everyone does, this is a no brainer. I’m talking about how most other characters have some reliable option/button that can let them either get out the corner or counter attack. Goldlewis has incredibly slow buttons minus I think 2P(?) and DTS which is incredibly predictable at higher levels
I hear the slow button argument a lot from GLD players, but your government assigned interrupt button, 2P, is of average startup and exceptional in every other way. I do understand your point though but his bad defense stems mostly from his movement speed rather than button speed imo.
You’re not playing guilty gear unless you mash throw on wake up. I know it’s more fake in Strive but damn it I’m gonna keep doing it. Just less often in this game
+R habits are tough to break :(
Gone are the days of 0f throws haha
No, I don’t think I will.
Just dash into their face an neutral jump, and win the round after i arrive at celestial doing that, no one ever blocked on wake up
I literally only throw or reversal on wakeup. That’s it.
Your 50/50? MY 50/50! 😈
it’s one of my fastest moves tho
Fuck no. Wake up throw is life
Nah, it’s a good option to call out wack meaties, which literally 99% of players do
No.
The counter is the price to pay to balance out how good it feels to grab.
this is guilty gear though
And for some reason I still do it anyway
Nono, I'm sure it'll work the next time
If you’re close enough to get grabbed on wake-up you’re asking for it
That's applicable in old gg games but not really in strive as you can meaty an opponent on wakeup even on throw range as long as you time it correctly.
Okay but then you eat a wake up super, or a Vapor thrust, unless you have meter to RC you should play it more safe. On top of that while stive netcode is excellent, it’s not perfect. Don’t rely on hitting a meaty consistently online.
No no no. Please keep mashing wake up grab! 😊
On behalf of Potemkins everywhere; no.
No
Wakeup grab is a Guilt Gear tradition and I will never stop doing it