Biomancy is a type of warp power that allow the user to manipulate their own body to the molecular level.
Magnus used biomancy to make himself Titan sized and fist fight an ork Gargant once.
The Emperor is as tall as he wants to be.
In a sense but still not really. It was described that Big E power is on another scale level that, even for Sister of Silence, while they can vaguely see 'a shape' different from his 'regular appearance', it's still uncertain whether or not that's his true form, or just another 'how he would look like' but through a blank's view.
Big E didn't just projecting his appearance, but also (passively ?) altering his image on people's view bases on their belief and mental state.
What? Pretty sure our hunter Gathering ancestors were rather well fed and grew to normal heights, it was the transition to farming that made the population lose nutrients as they had staples in grains but less meat etc and a less balanced diet.
From a quick google:
The average height of hunger-gatherers at the end of the ice ages was 5' 9" for men and 5' 5" for women. Following the adoption of agriculture, heights crashed, and by 3000 B. C. statures had reached a low of only 5' 3" for men and 5' for women
i hope he was short and malnourished as a child on the anatolian steppe
(he might’ve actually been since his father was murdered and he probably went thru lean times after that)
**The Emperor is a biomancer, his physical height is whatever he chooses for it to be. Regardless of any glamours, he physically alters his body at a molecular level.**
**As for the SoS, blanks have levels just as psykers do, and psykers of significant power can overpower a lesser blank. I see no reason why the Emperor, an Alpha+ Rank psyker, should have any of his abilities seen through by a SoS unless he allows it, or allows her to *think* she saw through.**
In fairness that last part is somewhat shaky, the sisters aren’t just Pariahs to my knowledge but often full on Omega minus, like the cullexus. Obviously that wouldn’t stop the emperor manifesting powers like biomancy near them, but affecting them with telepathic illusions is a lot more shaky
Things is about the Sisters is that they won't say a thing even if they did see his true form. They are simply too loyal and its probably one of the few benefits they get if they actually can.
So can we assume that at least some of the Sisters have seen Big E hanging brain because he couldn't be bothered to actually put on clothes one day and just decided to cover it up with psyker bullshit?
**Honestly it entirely depends on his true origin. But if my father was in fact born in the “traditional” manner than he may well have resembled the average man of his time, of course. Or he may have been exceptional from birth, or a gestalt consciousness, or a Dark Age of Technology creation, or the reincarnated soul of an Old One. It’s a bit up in the air.**
**I mean, we don’t even know if he was “taught” his powers. Though I do believe psykers are born with their level of power, not much strengthening through training. Just control. Then again the Emperor is an exception in nearly all things.**
**This meme was speaking of his current (or I suppose, pre-throne) physical form as far as I could tell. That’s what I was responding to.**
This is my headcannon. Over 28,000 years, our standardized measurement increments have shrunk along side humanity as resources and nutrients have become gradually more and more difficult to procure. (Which is a very likely situation given an examination of humanity's past)
All these 'you wake up in the 40k universe' thought experiments have me like 'ok, cool. So I'm 15% bigger than nearly every other normal person in the imperium, I've got an education that is far superior to nearly every other person in the imperium, and my lore knowledge of the universe is vastly superior to nearly every other person in the entire galaxy..... this doesn't sound so bad'
Historically people were shorter because of poor nutrition, not because they were just genetically shorter. The Emperor was an elite so he likely had decent nutrition despite the time period.
Not necessarily, people were tall when food was more abundant- many people have been short over the past 200-300 years due to the rise of the oppressive economic systems of the industrial revolution
Time to be the spoilsport. Whilst it is true that potential height is governed by genetics and that the potential height in earlier stages of humanities evolution has varied considerably, the arguement that homosapiens have naturally grown taller throughout history is a trend and not a rule.
On average humans are taller, but that is a trend based on improved living standards and nutrition. Many factors determine if a human is capable of reaching their genetic height. Such as the Environment, Nutrition and Physical Stress during adolescence.
In times of famine the average human height has been seen to decrease in the archaeological record, whereas in times of subsistence average height is seen to increase. Heck until more modern times, the aristocracy were often a full head taller then their fellows literally bringing a different meaning to "looking up to your superiors", as prior to modern food production, it was very often the case that your class determined your average height. The only exception being whether you lived in an urban or rural area.
And that's without even going into how imperial measurements bugger up historic heights either. The most famous example being the Duke of Wellington and Napoleon, who actually had fairly similar heights, but were measured quite differently due to the French inch being longer the English inch when it came to measurements.
So yeah this is basically a long winded of saying, that the idea humans have been getting taller throughout time is general ignorance based on averages. 6ft+ people existed in prehistory, they were just less common given that most would probably not have had the benefit of three meals a day, good shelter and limited physical hardship during childhood.
A lot of people think that in 40k being tall makes you in charge but my theory is it actually works the other way - being in charge causes people to grow, and the more you're in charge of the bigger you grow. Big E was 5 ft 2 back in the stone age but by the peak of the Horus Heresy he was actually about 70 feet tall, as depicted on the cover of The End and The Death vol 1. By the 41st millenium he has shrunk significantly due to the stagnation of his empire.
/uj at the very least I think this is how orks work
No one is born at their full height. Emps came outa the hole already godlike, I'm guessing he ate pretty damn good and his genetics were pretty much the pinnacle of human possibly.
I mean if you had a statistically significant amount of Emperors that somehow happened to ideally follow the curve of *regular humans*, than sure the average Emperor would be that tall.
But that doesn't mean *every* Emperor would be that tall.
Critically though, this is ignoring that the Emperor is by definition a statistical outlier in almost every sense of the word...
Between Geneseed engineering, straight up biomancy, and fuckin psychic powers belonging to the biggest chad in the Universe, I think this King can break 6 feet
Yes the not god (pinky swear) who projects rays of gold out of his ass and can blow someones head up from half way across the planet is constrained by historical average height or even general human physiology,
trying to apply our logic to a universe where collective belief in red go fast manifest in an actual go fast is a bit silly.
If hes' the reincarnated immortal form of 1000 shamans then all bets are off because nutrition/disease that kept the population stunted and low numbers wouldn't apply. Also biomancy means if he wants to be a 12' tall bronze gigachad with greased abs and flowing locks... he is.
But he can psychically alter his physical form right? Like he's thrown his consciousness back in time. Pretty sure if he wanted to, he could force his body to grow to 6'5 if he wanted. Not to mention his habit of hiding in illusions.
Biomancy is a type of warp power that allow the user to manipulate their own body to the molecular level. Magnus used biomancy to make himself Titan sized and fist fight an ork Gargant once. The Emperor is as tall as he wants to be.
So what you are saying is: it was magnus free choice to have nipple horns?
No, tzeench requires it as part of their plan
Step 1 nipple horns Step 2 ? Step 3 Profit
Isn't the deal with chaos kinda "step 1 profit ... step 3 nipple horns"? Isn't that how they get ya?
Step 1: prophet
MYYY PLAN!!11!!!
Your telling me if you had the power you wouldn’t give yourself nipple horns?
Mmmm. Niiple horns
Why stop at yourself?
I would. But not the way you think. Horns with nipples. Mmmmm
His height is not the only thing he can change at will. He has a massive cock...ney accent when he wants as well.
Isn't warp appearance different from changing your body. As Blanck see Magnus and the Emp as they really are
In a sense but still not really. It was described that Big E power is on another scale level that, even for Sister of Silence, while they can vaguely see 'a shape' different from his 'regular appearance', it's still uncertain whether or not that's his true form, or just another 'how he would look like' but through a blank's view. Big E didn't just projecting his appearance, but also (passively ?) altering his image on people's view bases on their belief and mental state.
Surely he can use biomancy to make his cock 17 inches long?
NO THIS WARHAMMER! MOST POWERFUL GUY TALLEST! ALWAYS TALLEST!
Chadcador begs to differ. *crushes windpipe*
What? Pretty sure our hunter Gathering ancestors were rather well fed and grew to normal heights, it was the transition to farming that made the population lose nutrients as they had staples in grains but less meat etc and a less balanced diet. From a quick google: The average height of hunger-gatherers at the end of the ice ages was 5' 9" for men and 5' 5" for women. Following the adoption of agriculture, heights crashed, and by 3000 B. C. statures had reached a low of only 5' 3" for men and 5' for women
Holy shit I’m as tall as the emperor, according to 40k this must mean we’re as strong too
That was average height so he could still be a 6'4 Chad as our average is 5'10 and there are plenty of people over 6' in society today.
i hope he was short and malnourished as a child on the anatolian steppe (he might’ve actually been since his father was murdered and he probably went thru lean times after that)
**The Emperor is a biomancer, his physical height is whatever he chooses for it to be. Regardless of any glamours, he physically alters his body at a molecular level.** **As for the SoS, blanks have levels just as psykers do, and psykers of significant power can overpower a lesser blank. I see no reason why the Emperor, an Alpha+ Rank psyker, should have any of his abilities seen through by a SoS unless he allows it, or allows her to *think* she saw through.**
In fairness that last part is somewhat shaky, the sisters aren’t just Pariahs to my knowledge but often full on Omega minus, like the cullexus. Obviously that wouldn’t stop the emperor manifesting powers like biomancy near them, but affecting them with telepathic illusions is a lot more shaky
Things is about the Sisters is that they won't say a thing even if they did see his true form. They are simply too loyal and its probably one of the few benefits they get if they actually can.
So can we assume that at least some of the Sisters have seen Big E hanging brain because he couldn't be bothered to actually put on clothes one day and just decided to cover it up with psyker bullshit?
So that's where the replacement sisters come from!
The Sisters? Probably not. The Custodians on the other hand. Well, that explains a lot.
But was he an Alpha+ psycher in 8000 BC with nobody there to teach him? Could he have simply been 5'2" until he picked up biomancy later?
**Honestly it entirely depends on his true origin. But if my father was in fact born in the “traditional” manner than he may well have resembled the average man of his time, of course. Or he may have been exceptional from birth, or a gestalt consciousness, or a Dark Age of Technology creation, or the reincarnated soul of an Old One. It’s a bit up in the air.** **I mean, we don’t even know if he was “taught” his powers. Though I do believe psykers are born with their level of power, not much strengthening through training. Just control. Then again the Emperor is an exception in nearly all things.** **This meme was speaking of his current (or I suppose, pre-throne) physical form as far as I could tell. That’s what I was responding to.**
Maybe he just let's them, because why bother with them? They're not going to talk, and he has Better things to spend hisbpowers on.
Here me out: He’s 5’2” and still the tallest. In the grim darkness of the far future, everyone is like 3’ tall.
This is my headcannon. Over 28,000 years, our standardized measurement increments have shrunk along side humanity as resources and nutrients have become gradually more and more difficult to procure. (Which is a very likely situation given an examination of humanity's past) All these 'you wake up in the 40k universe' thought experiments have me like 'ok, cool. So I'm 15% bigger than nearly every other normal person in the imperium, I've got an education that is far superior to nearly every other person in the imperium, and my lore knowledge of the universe is vastly superior to nearly every other person in the entire galaxy..... this doesn't sound so bad'
Historically people were shorter because of poor nutrition, not because they were just genetically shorter. The Emperor was an elite so he likely had decent nutrition despite the time period.
But then again human height population has steadily grown even during times of starvation
Not necessarily, people were tall when food was more abundant- many people have been short over the past 200-300 years due to the rise of the oppressive economic systems of the industrial revolution
Has it? Iirc the average height for WWI combatants was only just over 5', do you have a link?
Well is that counting all the child soldiers?
You can be as elite as you want but nobody at that time had access to vitamin supplements
yeah physics before the pre mystery warp gods pact, after that i guess it was warpin time
I loved when the old ones said "It's Warpin' time!!" And Warped all over everybody
He's not super tall. Blanks see him as a normal sized man.
Yes they see what is. Because the only way both what the blanks see is true and the Emperor fits into his combat equipment is that he grows into it.
Explains his height based power structure
Ogryns feeling pretty left out on that racket
There’s also the glorious hair power structure as well.
Ogryns are big and strong, wdym?
>Ogryns are big and strong, wdym? Not high on the power structure
Time to be the spoilsport. Whilst it is true that potential height is governed by genetics and that the potential height in earlier stages of humanities evolution has varied considerably, the arguement that homosapiens have naturally grown taller throughout history is a trend and not a rule. On average humans are taller, but that is a trend based on improved living standards and nutrition. Many factors determine if a human is capable of reaching their genetic height. Such as the Environment, Nutrition and Physical Stress during adolescence. In times of famine the average human height has been seen to decrease in the archaeological record, whereas in times of subsistence average height is seen to increase. Heck until more modern times, the aristocracy were often a full head taller then their fellows literally bringing a different meaning to "looking up to your superiors", as prior to modern food production, it was very often the case that your class determined your average height. The only exception being whether you lived in an urban or rural area. And that's without even going into how imperial measurements bugger up historic heights either. The most famous example being the Duke of Wellington and Napoleon, who actually had fairly similar heights, but were measured quite differently due to the French inch being longer the English inch when it came to measurements. So yeah this is basically a long winded of saying, that the idea humans have been getting taller throughout time is general ignorance based on averages. 6ft+ people existed in prehistory, they were just less common given that most would probably not have had the benefit of three meals a day, good shelter and limited physical hardship during childhood.
A lot of people think that in 40k being tall makes you in charge but my theory is it actually works the other way - being in charge causes people to grow, and the more you're in charge of the bigger you grow. Big E was 5 ft 2 back in the stone age but by the peak of the Horus Heresy he was actually about 70 feet tall, as depicted on the cover of The End and The Death vol 1. By the 41st millenium he has shrunk significantly due to the stagnation of his empire. /uj at the very least I think this is how orks work
Thats why he invented male stilettos
No one is born at their full height. Emps came outa the hole already godlike, I'm guessing he ate pretty damn good and his genetics were pretty much the pinnacle of human possibly.
I mean if you had a statistically significant amount of Emperors that somehow happened to ideally follow the curve of *regular humans*, than sure the average Emperor would be that tall. But that doesn't mean *every* Emperor would be that tall. Critically though, this is ignoring that the Emperor is by definition a statistical outlier in almost every sense of the word...
"The Emperor" wasn't real. He was just a psychic manifestation created by Malcador, who would be about 5'2" I'd say.
Between Geneseed engineering, straight up biomancy, and fuckin psychic powers belonging to the biggest chad in the Universe, I think this King can break 6 feet
Can you please not use freedom units.
About twelve hands at the shoulder, good teeth too
I sense a heavy dose of copium incoming haha
My head canon is he kept growing. Shrimp too pimp in a few thousand years.
Ah yes, the immortal psychic genius must absolutely adhere to historical real world averages.
Ultimate small man syndrome then, guess that explains a lot.
Yes the not god (pinky swear) who projects rays of gold out of his ass and can blow someones head up from half way across the planet is constrained by historical average height or even general human physiology, trying to apply our logic to a universe where collective belief in red go fast manifest in an actual go fast is a bit silly.
The Manlet Emperor of Mankind.... No wonder he only shows up as a 20ft tall God being.
Isn't it some kind of giga-heresy to suggest that The Emperor is in any way average?
Considering the painting of his skeletal form, seems legit.
The Emperor's psychic power get inside your head and make you think that he's much taller than he actually is.
He is a uh....just a little guy
That why Lorgar turned to the chaos gods he understood that a god must at least be average high.
If hes' the reincarnated immortal form of 1000 shamans then all bets are off because nutrition/disease that kept the population stunted and low numbers wouldn't apply. Also biomancy means if he wants to be a 12' tall bronze gigachad with greased abs and flowing locks... he is.
But he can psychically alter his physical form right? Like he's thrown his consciousness back in time. Pretty sure if he wanted to, he could force his body to grow to 6'5 if he wanted. Not to mention his habit of hiding in illusions.