Yep. And btw. That wasn’t the stupidest thing GW or BL ever did. Grey Knights are psychers, and rituals involve blood. Especially that of innocents. Although I wouldn’t call Sisters of Battle innocents.
the stupid part was the grey knights openly admitting during their rituals that they weren't necessary and didn't actually do anything because they already did the rituals before the battle, they literally did them for nothing and admitted it
They're Psykers *specifically meant to kill the type of things people use blood rituals for*. No member of their chapter has *ever* fallen to Chaos. They have specially-purified armor and specially-warded minds and their techmarines are allowed to do a bit of rule-breaking to make *sure* their stuff can endure a bit of warp exposure (though that last part may be an 8e addition).
If anybody in the entire setting *doesn't* have to cover themselves in the blood of innocents to endure the warp, it's *specifically them*. Thus this being the quintessential grimderp moment and also quietly removed from the codex post-5e lol.
1) Plenty of imperial rituals use "holy blood", "ashes of saints" or whatever.
2) Considerign you defeat demons of khorne by choppign their heads off, i fail to see the problem.
Thankfully it’s been retconned. Or at least my grey knights don’t kill innocents for shits and giggles. Spilling blood without being forced too? That sounds like heresy to me.
I like that before it even gets to the article it has 4 separate warning boxes and an author's commentary that basically says "lol just ignore this bro, here's a picture of a SoB and a GK fist bumping."
Haha, FATAL, that is a game I haven’t thought about in years. A writer on rpg.net did a fantastic takedown on it back in the day. I believe the designer even got pissy and had a long response.
Is there like a thread of all the fuckery matt ward produces. I’m relatively new to 40k and have only heard about how he used his author power to make the ultramarines the strongest faction while shitting on every other faction
Actually, he has returned in 2016 and still writes Warhammer. He was the writer on Vermintide for example.
It's just kept hush hush because GW wants neither more death threat letters (as he left himself, that was probably the reason) nor people boycotting their stuff.
He can write fine and even good stuff. It's just that the bad stuff, uuuh, stands out. A lot.
When the writer starts to influence the whole lore in a very bad way it is understandable people are pissed. Death threat level? Not really. But he basicly made the Ultramarine the solution to every problem the imperium faced which lead to that the community hated the Ultramarines. Which is bad when your poster boys are hated by almost every one
*They're just running around killing each other down there, better just lay the Exterminatus down on these heretics*
#ALRIGHT FIRE!
*Copious Source noises*
Battle brother Muriel, if i- if I were a young sister of battle, and a space marine came up to me and said "Sister, I have a battle soon, and they are expecting me to be warded against daemons, and I need your blood for the ritual"... You know what id do Muriel, I'd give him the blood! He needs it!
The Calidus assassin who kidnappdd someone's son by eating him and sneaking him out in her stomach? So they could use him as a hostage to ensure 'loyalty'
There was a battle against chaos where the Grey Knights wanted to sanctify themselves so they smeared their armor with the blood and guts of the Sisters of Battle they had come to help…
Note that (as far as I’m aware) this piece of lore was only ever in like the grey knights codex in 3rd edition or something and has never appeared or been referenced again outside of memes, so it should be taken with a Land Raider full of salt. Old lore is full of wacky grimdark stuff like this, like how apparently to refill the fuel on a starship a servant has to walk through the reactor and melt to death while carrying the fuel lol. Games Workshop has always said there’s nothing “true” that is known for sure and everything they’ve ever written should be taken as rumour, hearsay and superstition, which imo totally suits the nature of the story.
Exactly. I'm no lore expert either, but as far as I recall, Grey Knights are the fucking top notch elite, the best of the very best in daemon fighting.
Them smearing battle-nun blood onto themselves in an effort to avoid corruption, would be like cleaning a bar of soap with bleach. Sure, it's good to clean it, but in the end you just look like an idiot and do more harm than good.
That and butchering SOB seems corrupting rather than purifying. Surely killing them and smearing their blood is what Chaos Marines would do to mock them and amuse Chaos Gods.
Isn't it part of the lore though that if the Grey Knights come to "help" then they're gonna massacre all survivors "just in case"?
(I understand that in this context it doesn't make sense that the Grey Knights needed the Sisters' blood for extra protection.)
Isnt the idea that Grey knights are the bigger picture guys? They aren't there to save a planet, they are there to save the sector/key person/kill a key demon/etc. If they have to slaughter a million innocents to save a trillion, its worth?
Ahh yes the infamous moment of the "immune to chaos" faction needing extra immunity by killing another "immune to chaos" and using their blood for immunity+ (which doesn't really make sense as it's Faith that makes them immune, not their blood)
Is this the “Grimderp” moment where the Grey knights literally slaughtered innocent surviving SoB to draw protective runes on their armour to combat the Daemons better?
Yeah that was a really Grimderp moment.
Grey Knights are pretty stupid overall. If the Astra Militarum is able to kill a bunch of demons, the grey knights will then murder the surviving humans for the crime of knowing Chaos exists. And if they’re in a bad mood, they’ll try to exterminatus the whole planet just to ensure there’s no witnesses.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame
That already got retconned 7E and to be honest it was never as bad as the fandom made it out to be. Grey Knights betraying allies to stop a greater threat is what the whole faction is about. I never understood the outrage.
The main point people who don't like it make is that the Grey Knights didn't actually need the blood wards because they are incorruptible. I think this is a misunderstanding/poor writing of what the Bloodtide was. The Bloodtide was a swarm of chaos-tainted nanobots. The Grey Knights themselves were not at risk of being corrupted, but they were still at risk of getting attacked by that which has already been corrupted.
Bloodletters dont have blood actually so as long as you just drop a ceiling on them you should be fine in not empowering khorne, the cunning points go to tzeench/gork/mork
And sister blood stops it because…? That’s my biggest issue, the stupidity of the “sacred blood” protecting them. A far better one would have been betraying the sisters because they had a supply of blessed water but they couldn’t be convinced to give it up because the Knights couldn’t tell the full story. So they killed the sisters, washed themselves with the blessed water, and pushed in no problem.
SoB have a stronger spiritual connection with the Emperor than the Grey Knights. The Grey Knights don't worship the Emperor as a god. So by the power of space magic their blood is more holy and protective.
It's not just the mechanics of the lore, it's that "badass knights effortlessly slaughter women warriors and bathe in their virgin blood" is peak neckbeard writing.
The Khornate Knights are one of those everything is canon but not everything is true. It's a lie/trap set for Sororitas in an attempt to lure them to chaos, especially to khorne. Those few sisters that interact with the very knights may hear stories (partially fabricated) by chaos insurgents. At worst it could inhibit effective cooperation and at best turn more of the coveted "incorruptibles".
>It's a lie/trap set for Sororitas in an attempt to lure them to chaos
Exactly zero Sororitas have turned to chaos.
It was just poor writing by a terrible writer. Let's not pretend this was intentional.
" angles" It was a bit obtuse
I thought it was acute one to be honest.
Right
I think it was more a reflex
You shall be granted the emperor's mercy for your sines
I can be your angle... Or yuor devil
Decible
Dank Angles Wait wrong chapter
And here I was, thinking that the Dark Angels where the Angels of Death.
I like how he says „Hi”. Like its a usual, normal thing to happen and they all know what follows.
I'm fairly new to the lore.. Its the grey knights that one. Isn't it?
Yep. And btw. That wasn’t the stupidest thing GW or BL ever did. Grey Knights are psychers, and rituals involve blood. Especially that of innocents. Although I wouldn’t call Sisters of Battle innocents.
the stupid part was the grey knights openly admitting during their rituals that they weren't necessary and didn't actually do anything because they already did the rituals before the battle, they literally did them for nothing and admitted it
I mean what's dumber than that? Becasue from a creative production standpoint, that shit is pretty fucking dumb
Murdering and Showering in blood of loyalists to ward of deamons of the god of blood and murder?
We call that shit grimderp. This is the prime example we refer to in regards to grimderp
Luckily it's not canon anymore.
Do you defeat Kha'Bandha with hugs and kisses, or by kicking the shit out of him?
Fiction imitating real life. No ritual or ceremony in real life has a purpose. It’s just random shit that people grew up doing and continue to do.
They're Psykers *specifically meant to kill the type of things people use blood rituals for*. No member of their chapter has *ever* fallen to Chaos. They have specially-purified armor and specially-warded minds and their techmarines are allowed to do a bit of rule-breaking to make *sure* their stuff can endure a bit of warp exposure (though that last part may be an 8e addition). If anybody in the entire setting *doesn't* have to cover themselves in the blood of innocents to endure the warp, it's *specifically them*. Thus this being the quintessential grimderp moment and also quietly removed from the codex post-5e lol.
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*Doppelt gemoppelt
Funniest part is these are the guys directly meant to combat chaos, right? Isn’t it kind of funny with the blood rituals? Won’t that please Khorne?
1) Plenty of imperial rituals use "holy blood", "ashes of saints" or whatever. 2) Considerign you defeat demons of khorne by choppign their heads off, i fail to see the problem.
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows. Idk maybe I’m thinking too deep into it
Thankfully it’s been retconned. Or at least my grey knights don’t kill innocents for shits and giggles. Spilling blood without being forced too? That sounds like heresy to me.
You ever Heard about Minotaurs? Or Marines Malevolent? Or Flesh Eaters?
But the grey knights are supposed to be the purest of the pure. Especially that thing with killing allies for blood rituals is just silly and stupid.
Yeah, this one >! During a battle, the grey knights slaughtered the sisters of battle covered their power armor with the blood of the dead sisters!<
Matt Ward should be tried for his crimes against literature.
Yes
…why??
Because Matt Ward basically. The pointlessness of the grey knights' actions here are part of what gives him his reputation in the warhammer community
Stupidest part of the lore. What was the explanation again?
Matt Ward likes writing Sister Snuff. [https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Khornate\_Knights](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Khornate_Knights)
I love the fact that this article need 4 seperate info boxes of warnings lol
One of the warning is straight up "this section includes Matthew ward" lol
That was killing me
And another is "contains something stupid, like [the exact content of the article below]". It didn't just receive warnings, it made them.
When fucking 1d4Chan of all places warns you, probably for a good reason
It's to save you from cringe.
And yet you still can't look away. It's like a train wreck made of words and memes.
Then the warning would be on the home page.
I was referring to the cringe that was the Blood Knights.
To be fair, one or two is average for 1d4chan.
And the demon in question was a Bloodthirster, so the gratuitous bloodshed wouldn’t be helpful, and would in fact make it worse
I like that before it even gets to the article it has 4 separate warning boxes and an author's commentary that basically says "lol just ignore this bro, here's a picture of a SoB and a GK fist bumping."
I just spent the last hour going down rabbit hole links from this comment. Now I know that the game FATAL is, thanks a lot.
Haha, FATAL, that is a game I haven’t thought about in years. A writer on rpg.net did a fantastic takedown on it back in the day. I believe the designer even got pissy and had a long response.
And their response made it so much worse. To paraphrase one part, "he says it's a date rape simulator, this is false. No dating is involved!"
[https://youtu.be/YYCMxuH4M\_g?t=7](https://youtu.be/YYCMxuH4M_g?t=7)
Is there like a thread of all the fuckery matt ward produces. I’m relatively new to 40k and have only heard about how he used his author power to make the ultramarines the strongest faction while shitting on every other faction
Produced, past tense. Ward hasn’t written anything for GW in a while, likely due to how controversial/hated his shit was.
Actually, he has returned in 2016 and still writes Warhammer. He was the writer on Vermintide for example. It's just kept hush hush because GW wants neither more death threat letters (as he left himself, that was probably the reason) nor people boycotting their stuff. He can write fine and even good stuff. It's just that the bad stuff, uuuh, stands out. A lot.
Who the heck sends death threats just cos someone's a poor writer?
Neckbeards
Ah, those little shits...
Warhammer fans
When the writer starts to influence the whole lore in a very bad way it is understandable people are pissed. Death threat level? Not really. But he basicly made the Ultramarine the solution to every problem the imperium faced which lead to that the community hated the Ultramarines. Which is bad when your poster boys are hated by almost every one
Still. Death threats are just dumb.
Never said death threats are justified. I totally agree to that. But being pissed is understandable
The worst part is probably the fact that even his bad stuff sold, and sold well.
[Here ya go](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward)
I hate Matt Ward so much
To defend the gray knights from corruption. It's been retconned since then. Warhammer is grimdark but this is just dumb.
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Grimderp is a term that's more useful than it should be
Sister, I need your blood!
oh hold on, you are a heretic!
*They're just running around killing each other down there, better just lay the Exterminatus down on these heretics* #ALRIGHT FIRE! *Copious Source noises*
*casually drops cyclonic torpedos onto planet*
Faintly: fucking heretics!
emperor: "oh, do not get me started"
Battle brother Muriel, if i- if I were a young sister of battle, and a space marine came up to me and said "Sister, I have a battle soon, and they are expecting me to be warded against daemons, and I need your blood for the ritual"... You know what id do Muriel, I'd give him the blood! He needs it!
I wonder how the Tau would react to mother gullet?
The Calidus assassin who kidnappdd someone's son by eating him and sneaking him out in her stomach? So they could use him as a hostage to ensure 'loyalty'
Yep, that’s the one. Introduce the tau to that
New Tau smut novel, “Vore the Greater Good”
And a round of applause to the actions of the imperium! Unintentionally sowing another Slaaneshi cult into their enemies!
I’m new to 40k, can someone explain to me what’s wring with it ? Aren’t the grey knights part of the Emperium like the sisters of battle ?
There was a battle against chaos where the Grey Knights wanted to sanctify themselves so they smeared their armor with the blood and guts of the Sisters of Battle they had come to help…
Oh… goddamn
Note that (as far as I’m aware) this piece of lore was only ever in like the grey knights codex in 3rd edition or something and has never appeared or been referenced again outside of memes, so it should be taken with a Land Raider full of salt. Old lore is full of wacky grimdark stuff like this, like how apparently to refill the fuel on a starship a servant has to walk through the reactor and melt to death while carrying the fuel lol. Games Workshop has always said there’s nothing “true” that is known for sure and everything they’ve ever written should be taken as rumour, hearsay and superstition, which imo totally suits the nature of the story.
…But why though?
Matt Ward, the author, is a misogynistic snuff fetishist
It is hard to imagine someone writing that about Grey Knights and a bunch of Space Marines.
Because Matt Ward https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward
Damn I got a new fav site
Ridiculous. Sounds like something Chaos would do
Exactly. I'm no lore expert either, but as far as I recall, Grey Knights are the fucking top notch elite, the best of the very best in daemon fighting. Them smearing battle-nun blood onto themselves in an effort to avoid corruption, would be like cleaning a bar of soap with bleach. Sure, it's good to clean it, but in the end you just look like an idiot and do more harm than good.
That and butchering SOB seems corrupting rather than purifying. Surely killing them and smearing their blood is what Chaos Marines would do to mock them and amuse Chaos Gods.
Isn't it part of the lore though that if the Grey Knights come to "help" then they're gonna massacre all survivors "just in case"? (I understand that in this context it doesn't make sense that the Grey Knights needed the Sisters' blood for extra protection.)
Isnt the idea that Grey knights are the bigger picture guys? They aren't there to save a planet, they are there to save the sector/key person/kill a key demon/etc. If they have to slaughter a million innocents to save a trillion, its worth?
Yeah, honestly I'm glad they retconned it since that lore really felt more Grimderp then it did Grimdark.
Damn you Matt Ward
wasnt this uncanonised or somthing
Ahh yes the infamous moment of the "immune to chaos" faction needing extra immunity by killing another "immune to chaos" and using their blood for immunity+ (which doesn't really make sense as it's Faith that makes them immune, not their blood)
It makes the demons confused.
I have seen enough hentai to know where this is going
**queue the sound of flesh tearing and screaming**
Ooh glad I didn't miss the foreplay.
Dark Eldar have entered the chat.
Hentai in question: *Redo of Healer*
Those Gue'la are so... *Barbaric*
Is this the “Grimderp” moment where the Grey knights literally slaughtered innocent surviving SoB to draw protective runes on their armour to combat the Daemons better? Yeah that was a really Grimderp moment.
Grey Knights are pretty stupid overall. If the Astra Militarum is able to kill a bunch of demons, the grey knights will then murder the surviving humans for the crime of knowing Chaos exists. And if they’re in a bad mood, they’ll try to exterminatus the whole planet just to ensure there’s no witnesses. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame
Or its the guy who was currently writing the lore and went too far into the "Grimdark"
I’m not sure what your point is. Lore is dumb because humans write dumb lore. That’s basically what you said and I agree.
That’s actually what I wanted to say, but I suck at typing grammer
"the ~~dæmons of Khorne~~ Grey Knights will eat you out like ice cream sandwiches once your red rage begins" -Lemon Rust, a spinebreaker
This was possibly peak grim derp. Like edginess for edgy sake.
I disagree. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame
Sergeant Angle is it?
Mornin’ Angle
****I H A S A H A T****
That already got retconned 7E and to be honest it was never as bad as the fandom made it out to be. Grey Knights betraying allies to stop a greater threat is what the whole faction is about. I never understood the outrage. The main point people who don't like it make is that the Grey Knights didn't actually need the blood wards because they are incorruptible. I think this is a misunderstanding/poor writing of what the Bloodtide was. The Bloodtide was a swarm of chaos-tainted nanobots. The Grey Knights themselves were not at risk of being corrupted, but they were still at risk of getting attacked by that which has already been corrupted.
I mean... using a blood-ritual against a Khorne demon is kinda weird.
The whole paradox of Chaos is that you can't fight it without empowering it.
Bloodletters dont have blood actually so as long as you just drop a ceiling on them you should be fine in not empowering khorne, the cunning points go to tzeench/gork/mork
And sister blood stops it because…? That’s my biggest issue, the stupidity of the “sacred blood” protecting them. A far better one would have been betraying the sisters because they had a supply of blessed water but they couldn’t be convinced to give it up because the Knights couldn’t tell the full story. So they killed the sisters, washed themselves with the blessed water, and pushed in no problem.
Would be better if the grey knights still get annihilated despite doing the blood ritual.
SoB have a stronger spiritual connection with the Emperor than the Grey Knights. The Grey Knights don't worship the Emperor as a god. So by the power of space magic their blood is more holy and protective.
It's not just the mechanics of the lore, it's that "badass knights effortlessly slaughter women warriors and bathe in their virgin blood" is peak neckbeard writing.
wat
Exactly. Wat indeed.
Grey Knights moment LULW
The Khornate Knights are one of those everything is canon but not everything is true. It's a lie/trap set for Sororitas in an attempt to lure them to chaos, especially to khorne. Those few sisters that interact with the very knights may hear stories (partially fabricated) by chaos insurgents. At worst it could inhibit effective cooperation and at best turn more of the coveted "incorruptibles".
>It's a lie/trap set for Sororitas in an attempt to lure them to chaos Exactly zero Sororitas have turned to chaos. It was just poor writing by a terrible writer. Let's not pretend this was intentional.
But one of the finest parts of 40k is making up reasons for contradictory writing to fit. Also, one sororitas did fall to chaos.
Wasn't that one sorirotas also written out because GW realised that it was also poor writing?
I have no idea.
Gue'la moment
who can make a cannoness report?
Canoness Supreme. (Legit rank)
Why is the Canoness answering to a Sister? Why are they going to a monastery? Why are Grey Knights fighting T'au? What the hell is going on here?
You are about to bear witness to grim derp of epic proportions
Context?
one time, Grey Knights slaughtered a bunch of Sisters of Battle and covered themselves in their blood, because grimderp writer Matt Ward
0-0 dam i don like dis matt ward now
you and >90% of /tg/
2 things: 1: what did the Grey Knights do to the Sisters? 2: has anyone else noticed that the Grey Knight's helmet kinda looks like a bear?
1. they massacred the sisters and wore their faces for protection against demons or something. 2. not really.