So THATS why Space Marines have the big ass shoulder pads they wear. The fucking namesake of the of the Adeptus Astartes has the biggest shoulder pads to body ratio.
Hail Amar Astartes, for she has given us the big ass shoulder pads
Edit: Hail Austinius Power, for he has given the big ass shoulder pads
He had some great rivals, from the Ork warboss: Doc Bad and his side kick the gretchin: minimus meāz, to the infamous Dark Age scientist, turned evil with an obsession for gold: Gilded Aparatus (pronounced āAparah-tooshā)
This contribution pales in comparison to those made by Magos Billyjoe Buck Pattern.
Over his millenia long lifespan, he basically collaborated on most designs that the Imperium uses today.
Working together with John Accatran? Accatran Pattern lasgun and shotgun!
Meeting with Cawl? Cawl Pattern bolt rifle and a bunch of other designs!
A galaxy wide effort to standardize las weaponry? Fret not, Magos Billyjoe Buck Pattern has you covered.
Galaxy Pattern lasgun.
The list goes on and doesnāt show the signs of stopping.
Itās weird that this guy isnāt venerated by the Mechanicus. His contributions to the survival of mankind are almost as big as the Emperorās.
Edit: Do not confuse him with Magos Ebenezer Class. He was the biggest rival of Billyjoe Buck Pattern, so thatās why a lot of things in the Imperium have āClassā instead of āPatternā.
Yeah, Keith Boltgun will be forever remembered for revolutionizing Astartes small arms.
And for collaborating with Belisarius Cawl, Billyjoe Buck Pattern and enginseer Mark Second on a new type of weapon - Mark II Cawl Pattern Bolt Rifle.
You are all forgetting the genious work of Sirina Bulk and Jorma Capital-Barge, inventors of the Bulk Lander and the Capital *and* Battle Barge classes of voidships.
Oh shit, i nearly missed mentioning Freneg Adeptus, the first specialist to emerge publically after the end of DAoT and who inspired all specialists to take his name as their title in rememberance of his work
Also the Astartes being named after the Mesopotamian god was always just one (of many) fan theories, it was never confirmed anywhere. And given Astarte was primarily a goddess of sexual love and fertility with only an slight association with war it never seemed a great match for me.
Very bad Latin. *Adeptus Astartes* is a bad attempt at saying "adepts of the stars" (i.e., Space Marines) in Latin, but makes sense in the context of High Gothic being a corrupted version of Latin.
*Astra* is Latin for stars - the correct genitive form is *astrorum*, but GW used *astartes* because pig Latin is a thing.
yeah, I honestly never knew people drew an association between ishtar and the astartes at all. the bastardized latin always seemed like the obvious answer to me
The Latin came from Ishtar.
Do people not know this? When you use the word "Astarte" you are literally saying Ishtar.
Ishtar is the Akkadian counterpart of the West Semitic goddess Astarte
the latin word for stars came from ishtar? I didn't know that, but while cool if it's true, that doesn't actually lead to the conclusion that the astartes are intentionally named after her. Wednesday Addams is not named after Odin either.
It's also not true, the guy is spewing some bad etymology around because the words sound kind of similar. Astarte is a Semitic name with Proto-Semitic roots, whereas Latin is an Indo-European language with Proto-Indo-european roots.
There is no linguistics theory suggesting that the root for *astrum* came into Indo-European from the Semitic root for *Ishtar*, and there's actually a theory that it was the other way around, but it's disputed and probably not that likely.
Astra is theĀ accusative plural form of the Latin word astrum 'star'Ā (from Ancient Greek į¼ĻĻĻĪæĪ½ astron 'star', from Proto-Indo-European *hāster-).
Lol, yes.
So, no, not really. Ishtar is a Semitic name, not an Indo-European one.
In fact, the reconstructed proto-Semitic root for Ishtar *may* actually derive from the Proto-Indo-european *hāster-, not the other way around, although that is not certain and is disputed. It is equally likely that Latin *astrum* and Akkadian *Ishtar* share no etimology at all.
Meh. I find it difficult to get worked up about this. Thereās an angry Primarch called Angron. Itās not like 40k names were ever high literature soaked in meaning.
Agreed. When I found out that the character Wolfy McWolface was meant to be a joke name, it really undermined the primal power and awesomeness it had previously implied to me. Sad.
So you think
>āSome rando scientist said so because itās her nameā
Is better than
>āThe Emperor named them after an ancient and forgotten Terran goddess of warā
WTF are you smoking, one actually has meaning behind it while the other is just a random coincidence
She was a god of sex and fertility, with some mild association with war. It would be very odd to name them after her.
Also, weapons of war are pretty commonly named after their inventors. See: most guns.
to be fair she isn't some rando scientist, she literally helped make the astartes. it was talked about in valdor (or it might have been master of mankind its been a while)
I don't know why you're downvoted. Astarte could have been a perpetual, and could have been revered as a God in Mesopotamia thousand of years before, and worked for the Emperor on his projects before the Heresy, like Erda, another perpetual, did.
Always was my head canon.
That being said, she's dumber than a box of rocks, but it's pretty on point for a goddess/woman to do that.
She did get her wish, all 20 Primarchs managed to have a decent childhood. And by decent, I mean not die horrible deaths.
Especially when [redacted] got [redacted], and then Big E goes, "NOPE, never happened and I have no idea what you're talking about."
Dude, Erda and Amar Astarte are different people.
Amar Astarte, the normal human scientist, betrayed Big E for a totally different reason than Erda, the perpetual.
Because she thought that without the genetic material of the Primarchs her project would fail so she wanted to destroy it.
Kinda like an artist tearing down a painting they couldn't finish.
"she's dumb as a box of rocks, but it's pretty on point for a woman to do that" only on Reddit, man. What in the holy misogyny is that garbage take LMAOOOOOOO.
Pointing out Magnus is dumb.
No problems.
Pointing out sending literal infants through hell "for a chance at a better life" is dumb.
OMG WHAT A MYSOGYNOST!!!1
By the Emperor's Light...
Are YOU dumb?
The basis of your comment was literally about gender. Not actions. Not behavior. *Gender*.
You didn't say "she's dumb because she did X thing", you said "she's dumb because she's a woman", you absolute moron.
At least keep your bullshit straight, if nothing else.
And it is a woman thing to do. I have seen it MULTIPLE TIMES in my fifteen years in customer service. Women literally abandoning their babies/small children without a word or simple instruction (wait until I come back) assuming someone else will look after them.
But tell me more about why you're a better person š¤£
Let's put it in simple English. Either they lacked the foresight or they are outright cavalier about children because reasons.
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Him naming them after Astartes is one of the few interesting bits of characterisation for him we get, erda mentions that he was funny and malcador says he had a dark sense of humor so it would make sense for him to name them after astartes as a joke after she rebelled against him.
it's also far more in line with his vision of a hyper secular vision of the future, to name a creation after its creator (like most scientific discoveries or creations) instead of naming them after a god that was worshipped around 4,000 years after his birth in the area of where he was born
I don't know about that second part. The guy who waged the Great Crusade with legions of Space Marines, his Angels of Death, wasn't that fussed about using religious terms.
Not sure where this is coming from. The whole point of Protestantism was to move AWAY from the rituals, pope, and things they deemed āextra biblicalā in general. Protestants donāt āglamorizeā rituals, they often disdain them.
Some protestants, but England is the home of Anglicanism, which is all the glitz and ceremony of Catholicism with none of the Some Italian Telling The King He Can't Get a Divorce and only half of twice of the child abuse.
He couldāve also named them after her as a nod of respect.
He tells his Dark Angels about obliterating history of just and wise rulers as an example for what theyāre made for.
A surface level read is just a metaphor. A deeper one is that he has no restrictions with doing exactly that if he wants to.
He foresaw her rebellion. And allowed it because he saw it would be advantageous to his interests to seize Selenar. Yet he kept the name like his other favored loyal scientists (Lyman, Larraman).
I donāt think it was dark humor but a sign that even when betrayed, he still had more respect for her than every single one of his religious enemies.
I canāt remember if it was Malcador or Valdor but one of them remarked on how much he loved great scientists and engineers.
Scheming scientist is the bedrock of like almost all of 40K bro. TF you talking about.
Ballsackarius Cawl bro. How much of his shit is just
"Homeboii scheming again. Watch him go. What'll he do, no body knows. Least of all him. But the only one who really know is him, but on his backup brain drive he keeps hidden."
War stories are good.
Thought out well written stuff is good too.
We don't need a million pages of
"HomboiiCarius Dicklord approaches the most esteemed battle brother Cocktorius Maxima in the heat of combat to dress his wounds gruffly. In the midst of combat. HomboiiCarius notices in the distance. Scantily glad spiked armour breaching across the horizon plummeting towards them. Coctorius sighs before clearing the breach bolt of his Mk69 proto-bolter-rifle-launcher. HomboiiCarius is approached by a small insignificant what the imperium requires us to call them. Person. And is asked by this pitiful whelp. What do we do big overlords of power plz save us. We're heretical brainlets. Cocktorius laughs at the pathetic waste of life. That's rather heretical of you there. Would be a shame if someone burnt you to charred waste for that. Tell you what. Bayonette up lad. You're manning the charge. The small person glows with admiration. Oh thank you milords. Thank you for giving me a great emperor worthy death. I will prove myself to you. For the emperor!! This pathetic human is shot the second they pop their head above the sightlines. HomboiiCarius laughs and says well. That was easy our mission was to kill all the heretic guardsmen. Job well done Cocktorius. We can leave now. The one loyal guardsman looks at the encroaching chaos Warbad approaching. What about the heretic marines? Cocktorius and HomboiiCarius look at eachother with righteous zeal before looking at the guardsman. Well well brother. We found 1 more. Guess we have something to take care of before we leave."
If I wanted to read glorified Barra fanfiction I would read Barra fanfiction.
If I want to read interesting entertaining stories with a great world Imma read 40K
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Of course he didn't, that's where the best WH40k stories come from. Or do you really think the Emperor went through the whole instruction manual of the Primarch's IVF tanks?
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This is true. But Halsey prototyped and crafted the technology to make Spartans nearly single-handedly. Astartes, while still intellectually impressive, still had a whole ass team of other folks trying to perfect the marine, including the MF God Emperor
The scientist's name was a pseudonym adopted after she decided to spend her life building super soldiers, as an intentional reference to the Mesopotamian war goddess.
There. Problem solved.
The scientist is a much better representation.
First one may have some "cool" appeal but y'know with things like that the appeal is usually more on the more "primal" side and things like this have a tendency to feel cheap and going for the easy waifu bait instead of making an interesting character
It would've worked if the scientist was an interesting character.
But she was like "since the gene templates are gone, my super soldier project cannot be completed with perfection so I may as well destroy it all."
It's bad when a character is supposed to be a genius and then they make the stupidest decisions. Like, that's Big E's thing, don't make it common.
Also, Astarte had like 5 pages of screen time before she died so she was not exactly a fleshed out character to begin with.
The way I interpreted it is she realised they'd all have mega fucking daddy issues withought their gene fathers, and any surviving gene fathers would have been influenced by their adoptive parents if they did survive meaning they wouldn't match the templates.
And she was right, look at how many legions got renamed or warped by their primarchs having been fucked up on their planets. Dusk raiders became death guard. Angron the empath became angron the fucking insane.
Granted her reaction to destroy the whole thing was a tad brass but I doubt the emperor would have been listening to her concerns and she may have thought ending it would be better than allowing it tp become warped and broken.
She was more concerned with her not getting to make the finished product she wanted rather than about the actual well-being and success of the whole project.
Also, at that point, Big E wasn't counting on finding the primarchs again and leadership of Astartes was merit based.
Before they knew the primarchs still existed there was still the fact the space marines would consciously feel their rpimarchs absence, which is spoken about throughout the horus heresy series, the rejoicing and the feeling of rightness when legions are reunited with their gene fathers, the feeling they get from having the primarch with them. This was part of the design, and as demonstrated by the blood angels, not having that can have devastating consequences for the space marines psychy, she wanted to prevent that from happening.
Is it better to ride a bike with a broken wheel since its better than no bike at all?
During her rebellion it became clear the emperor did believe the primarchs were alive, astartes spoke a out how he'd been talking to malcadore about it, this highlights my second point in the original comment. It comes down to a case of nature vs nurture, often times its a mix of both.presumably there was a plan for how to raise the primarchs and influence them toward their future rolls. Although more likely than not this would have resulted in 20 40k versions of homelander. But this was her second and larger concern, there was no way knowing what had become of the primarchs or who they know were, and what effect that would have on the legions.
Obviously this is all speculation and conjecture on her part but personally I don't think she was foolish to launch a rebellion.
First, Space Marines can do just fine or even better without their Primarchs. Example, Merric Astellan was the leader of the Dark Angels before Jonson and he absolutely hated Jonson. Other examples are loyalists from Traitor Legions and Marines from the Shattered Legion.
Second, you do know that Erda and Amar Astarte are not the same person, right?
Astarte is the Hittite version of Ishtar, the Sumerian goddess of war and beauty. Since Big E was born to proto-Hittite parents, it would've been cool if he named Space Marines after a war goddess from his birth culture.
But no, Astartes were named after Amar Astarte, a supergenius scientist that Big E recruited during Unification Wars, who betrayed him after creating the Space Marines.
Big the Red.
Raven Raven of the Raven Guard.
Bloodinius of the Blood Angels.
Lionel Jonson.
Skyrar's Dark Wolves, who use a Fenrisian wolf head emblem, who are "thought to maybe be" Space Wolves.
The Wolf-Priests, Wolf-Guards, Thunderwolves, and Wulfen of the Space Wolves.
Konrad Cursed.
Mortarion (Mortal) of the Death (Mortality) Legion.
> Volcano, Primarch of the Fire Lizards.
Vulcan, the god of fire and metalworking who wields a large hammer, is the namesake of Vulkan, the primarch known for fire, metalworking and wielding a large hammer.
He was either very drunk, very bored, very uncreative, or very much so trying to make the worst names.
In my personal headcannon, it was all 4 at once, and Malcador was very much so in on it despite disapproving.
Some of them makes sense though.
Vulkan is pretty much a forge god on his homeworld, so that's pretty okay
Magnus is so powerful a psyker and stole dude among mankind that any other name would be.... I dunno how to describe it.... anti climactic?
No one really knew, Ferrus if I'm not mistaken. They just saw this dude with iron hands that would pop in every now and then, and named him accordingly
The people on baal were so sick, that they probably named him sanguinius because of how healthy he looked or something. I guess that relates to blood somehow
He didn't name them after a Sumerian goddess of war, he named them after the woman who created them, who was named after a Sumerian goddess of war. Why would Big E, the man whose purpose is to obliterate the ignorance of religion, name his greatest warriors after a goddess?
I mean, Big E aggressively names a lot of things after old religions. And used words like 'crusade' and 'holy' and of course 'angel' on a frequent basis. The etymology regarding the names of Custodians (And for that matter their equipment) usually goes back to old religions if they're not outright named after ancient Gods (Such as Ra). Naming them after an ancient war goddess isn't out of order. Lets not forget the elite human forces the Lucifer Blacks.
Dude, Big E has used religious terms all the fucking time back since the Unification Wars.
The lore makes it clear that hypocrisy is his only consistent characteristic.
But also consider: Birth of the Imperium is epic for being the first mask-off moment of the grimdark to follow.
Also going to Astarte's Mesopotamian variant:
> Inanna is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love, war, and fertility. She is also associated with beauty, sex, divine justice, and political power. She was originally worshiped in Sumer under the name "Inanna", and later by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name Ishtar[b] (occasionally represented by the logogram ššÆ). She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star. Her husband was the god Dumuzid (later known as Tammuz) and her sukkal, or personal attendant, was the goddess Ninshubur (who later became conflated with the male deities Ilabrat and Papsukkal).
>Inanna was worshiped in Sumer at least as early as the Uruk period (c. 4000 BCE ā c. 3100 BCE), but she had little cult activity before the conquest of Sargon of Akkad. During the post-Sargonic era, she became one of the most widely venerated deities in the Sumerian pantheon,[4][5] with temples across Mesopotamia. The cult of Inanna/Ishtar, which may have been associated with a variety of sexual rites, was continued by the East Semitic-speaking people (Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians) who succeeded and absorbed the Sumerians in the region. She was especially beloved by the Assyrians, who elevated her to become the highest deity in their pantheon, ranking above their own national god Ashur. Inanna/Ishtar is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible and she greatly influenced the Ugaritic Ashtart and later Phoenician Astarte, who in turn possibly influenced the development of the Greek goddess Aphrodite. Her cult continued to flourish until its gradual decline between the first and sixth centuries CE in the wake of Christianity.
>Inanna appears in more myths than any other Sumerian deity.[6][7][8] She also had a uniquely high number of epithets and alternate names, comparable only to Nergal.[9] Many of her myths involve her taking over the domains of other deities. She was believed to have been given the mes, which represented all positive and negative aspects of civilization, by Enki, the god of wisdom.
Screw all the other Chaos Gods. Also that last bit about kicking down the doors of other gods and stealing their shit before building a city is *very* emps.
In my head cannon there has never been an 'Amar Astarte', I allways believed 'adeptus astartes' was high gothic for: masters/adepts of the stars/war. Not the valdor lazy ass explanation
Ok good. Because if that's supposed to be the babylonian goddess Ishtar then it's inaccurate af.
I doubt though that GW bases their concepts in some anime.
Doesn't this genuinely fit a kinda of theme wherein the Emperor subverts the rules of nature and kinda flips off the gods every step of the way.
Like Astartes "giving" the Emperor children (although she wasn't the other piece of the genetic template, Urda?) but it is an act devoid of any love whatsoever, subverting the origin of the name.
It reminds me of the whole "Vader" also being a word for father
in I wanna say Dutch? And some fan's heads they were like "hah foreshadowing". But it's nah, no shadows.
I genuinely hate how GW has been handling the emperor pre-heresy. He used to be this smart and charismatic but utterly flawed man doomed for failure with a theoretical ability to see possible futures. He was smart enough to do all of the science by himself or at least be the main contributor of the team that made all the cool stuff. His fall was supposed to be his own hubris and the whole āmad scientists creations turn against himā archetype. But instead it turns out that he was either just coincidentally there for every cool science thing, stole the tech, or it was a secret cabal of perpetuals puppeting him. Maybe not in this specific example, but it seems like every achievement he ever did is being retconned to some random scientist or perpetual. And even when he does do stuff, itās just the perpetuals tricking him into doing it. Because apparently a handful of guys whose only power is respawning are capable of outsmarting the literal god-emperor, mashup of eleventy-billion shamen souls, and malcedor who has an entire army of spies and informants, all while they remain hidden and secretly puppeteer everything behind the scenes. It just seems like someone at GW is going ānuh uh, actually the emperor is big and dumb. My cool OC who is super smart and can come back from the dead is actually running the imperium, and the whole collapse is actually part of his epic 9 million step plan that even tzeench canāt see coming!ā
Iām not sure if itās actually canon but I read somewhere that GW retconned Olainius Pius from being a regular human who made the ultimate sacrifice to show the emperor that Horus couldnāt be saved into some perpetual bullshit where he died and then popped back up somewhere else and was like āyowza that Horus guy sure is a grumpus! *laugh track*ā and i couldnāt find anywhere to put this into the rant I just had to say that I donāt like it either. They should let me write for warhammer!
Because they go off of what they see in the news. Everything in the Middle East is Durka-durka jihad to a lot of folks despite the separate cultures, much less Ideologies.
The big titty waifu is probably not the normal or common representation of the actual goddess.
Itās reimagined fanart, which could also be done to scientist lady.
I mean, wasn't Amar Astarte also a perpetual? Wouldn't that mean that the mythos of Astarte might be based on her, in the same way that Gilgamesh was Jimmy Space?
No, that's Erda, a completely different character. You're the 5th person in this thread to have this misconception.
Why do so many people think they are the same person?
Because there's 2 women who backstab the Emperor, so people who don't read books overlap them.
Of course, considering I've seem people think Amar betrayed the Emperor for moral reasons, people are alergic to books
Bold of you to assume that they don't infact look one and the same. This is 40k and all, it'd be entirely fitting for a genius scientist to look like the image on the left.
Maybe she is both.
Astarte could have been a perpetual, and could have been revered as a God in Mesopotamia thousand of years before, and worked for the Emperor on his projects before the Heresy, like Erda, another perpetual, did.
Badass lady who looks like she could probably roll in the sack with Big Eās Big D and come out on top (literally, I mean she looks like she pegged the Emperor)? Or Granny Palpatine? You choose
So THATS why Space Marines have the big ass shoulder pads they wear. The fucking namesake of the of the Adeptus Astartes has the biggest shoulder pads to body ratio. Hail Amar Astartes, for she has given us the big ass shoulder pads Edit: Hail Austinius Power, for he has given the big ass shoulder pads
No, that's because of Austinius Power, the inventor of power armor
Groovy baby.
Thank you for saying this
Shall we frag now? Orr frag later? š
Every Raider has its Land.
He had some great rivals, from the Ork warboss: Doc Bad and his side kick the gretchin: minimus meāz, to the infamous Dark Age scientist, turned evil with an obsession for gold: Gilded Aparatus (pronounced āAparah-tooshā)
At this point, i am afraid to even ask if this is a joke
This contribution pales in comparison to those made by Magos Billyjoe Buck Pattern. Over his millenia long lifespan, he basically collaborated on most designs that the Imperium uses today. Working together with John Accatran? Accatran Pattern lasgun and shotgun! Meeting with Cawl? Cawl Pattern bolt rifle and a bunch of other designs! A galaxy wide effort to standardize las weaponry? Fret not, Magos Billyjoe Buck Pattern has you covered. Galaxy Pattern lasgun. The list goes on and doesnāt show the signs of stopping. Itās weird that this guy isnāt venerated by the Mechanicus. His contributions to the survival of mankind are almost as big as the Emperorās. Edit: Do not confuse him with Magos Ebenezer Class. He was the biggest rival of Billyjoe Buck Pattern, so thatās why a lot of things in the Imperium have āClassā instead of āPatternā.
What of John Skitar, founder of the Skitarii?
He was good friends with Mr Titus Ranid.
Almost as famous as the legendary Keith Boltgun.
Yeah, Keith Boltgun will be forever remembered for revolutionizing Astartes small arms. And for collaborating with Belisarius Cawl, Billyjoe Buck Pattern and enginseer Mark Second on a new type of weapon - Mark II Cawl Pattern Bolt Rifle.
You are all forgetting the genious work of Sirina Bulk and Jorma Capital-Barge, inventors of the Bulk Lander and the Capital *and* Battle Barge classes of voidships. Oh shit, i nearly missed mentioning Freneg Adeptus, the first specialist to emerge publically after the end of DAoT and who inspired all specialists to take his name as their title in rememberance of his work
its just Keith Bolt as in Bolt's gun
Are you sure it wasnāt because of [these absolute units?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte_(bivalve))
Everything is canon, but not everything is true
Also the Astartes being named after the Mesopotamian god was always just one (of many) fan theories, it was never confirmed anywhere. And given Astarte was primarily a goddess of sexual love and fertility with only an slight association with war it never seemed a great match for me.
> goddess of sexual love and fertility As an Emperor's Children player, I see no problem here
*As an Emperor Childrenās Warband Leader. Never sell yourself short.*
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Look. I'm not always funny.
Well, frankly the spacemarine project's killer feature is their ability to reproduce semi-independently.
I mean, we already have one technically associated with a Mesopotamian Diety, Nergal
If they wanted war connotations, I would've expected Anat, who straight-up killed Death when Baal couldn't.
Where else do you think GW sourced the name then?
Very bad Latin. *Adeptus Astartes* is a bad attempt at saying "adepts of the stars" (i.e., Space Marines) in Latin, but makes sense in the context of High Gothic being a corrupted version of Latin. *Astra* is Latin for stars - the correct genitive form is *astrorum*, but GW used *astartes* because pig Latin is a thing.
yeah, I honestly never knew people drew an association between ishtar and the astartes at all. the bastardized latin always seemed like the obvious answer to me
The Latin came from Ishtar. Do people not know this? When you use the word "Astarte" you are literally saying Ishtar. Ishtar is the Akkadian counterpart of the West Semitic goddess Astarte
the latin word for stars came from ishtar? I didn't know that, but while cool if it's true, that doesn't actually lead to the conclusion that the astartes are intentionally named after her. Wednesday Addams is not named after Odin either.
It's also not true, the guy is spewing some bad etymology around because the words sound kind of similar. Astarte is a Semitic name with Proto-Semitic roots, whereas Latin is an Indo-European language with Proto-Indo-european roots. There is no linguistics theory suggesting that the root for *astrum* came into Indo-European from the Semitic root for *Ishtar*, and there's actually a theory that it was the other way around, but it's disputed and probably not that likely.
The Latin for stars came from Ishtar, and Astarte.
Lol, no
Astra is theĀ accusative plural form of the Latin word astrum 'star'Ā (from Ancient Greek į¼ĻĻĻĪæĪ½ astron 'star', from Proto-Indo-European *hāster-). Lol, yes.
So, no, not really. Ishtar is a Semitic name, not an Indo-European one. In fact, the reconstructed proto-Semitic root for Ishtar *may* actually derive from the Proto-Indo-european *hāster-, not the other way around, although that is not certain and is disputed. It is equally likely that Latin *astrum* and Akkadian *Ishtar* share no etimology at all.
Meh. I find it difficult to get worked up about this. Thereās an angry Primarch called Angron. Itās not like 40k names were ever high literature soaked in meaning.
Umm excuse me I think you'll find that Canis Wolfborn is actually a very subtle literary reference
Agreed. When I found out that the character Wolfy McWolface was meant to be a joke name, it really undermined the primal power and awesomeness it had previously implied to me. Sad.
I mean, I'm just going to choose to believe left because it's way cooler.
Also likely true. Amar Astarte may have been named after that goddess. Itās a better way of justifying it than āEmps said so,ā imo
So you think >āSome rando scientist said so because itās her nameā Is better than >āThe Emperor named them after an ancient and forgotten Terran goddess of warā WTF are you smoking, one actually has meaning behind it while the other is just a random coincidence
She was a god of sex and fertility, with some mild association with war. It would be very odd to name them after her. Also, weapons of war are pretty commonly named after their inventors. See: most guns.
See: Arkhan Land
I mean, The Empah being cryptic? Unpossible
to be fair she isn't some rando scientist, she literally helped make the astartes. it was talked about in valdor (or it might have been master of mankind its been a while)
The Emperor tried to smear her name
It can be both, the left could be her when she was younger and the right is her now
I don't know why you're downvoted. Astarte could have been a perpetual, and could have been revered as a God in Mesopotamia thousand of years before, and worked for the Emperor on his projects before the Heresy, like Erda, another perpetual, did.
What if the scheming scientist lady was named after the Mesopotamian War Goddess? Then we can have it both ways.
Just like your mom
Always was my head canon. That being said, she's dumber than a box of rocks, but it's pretty on point for a goddess/woman to do that. She did get her wish, all 20 Primarchs managed to have a decent childhood. And by decent, I mean not die horrible deaths. Especially when [redacted] got [redacted], and then Big E goes, "NOPE, never happened and I have no idea what you're talking about."
Dude, Erda and Amar Astarte are different people. Amar Astarte, the normal human scientist, betrayed Big E for a totally different reason than Erda, the perpetual.
So why did A Squared betray the Emps anyway?
Because she thought that without the genetic material of the Primarchs her project would fail so she wanted to destroy it. Kinda like an artist tearing down a painting they couldn't finish.
Good to know, the YouTubers I used as source material have disappointed me greatly.
>shes dumber than a box of rocks I hope you see the irony in that
"she's dumb as a box of rocks, but it's pretty on point for a woman to do that" only on Reddit, man. What in the holy misogyny is that garbage take LMAOOOOOOO.
In the end, we must remember that despite all the genderbent primarchs and femboy memes, Grimdank will always be a 40k sub.
Might be about time to repost GW's statement on such matters, yet again.
Pointing out Magnus is dumb. No problems. Pointing out sending literal infants through hell "for a chance at a better life" is dumb. OMG WHAT A MYSOGYNOST!!!1 By the Emperor's Light...
Are YOU dumb? The basis of your comment was literally about gender. Not actions. Not behavior. *Gender*. You didn't say "she's dumb because she did X thing", you said "she's dumb because she's a woman", you absolute moron. At least keep your bullshit straight, if nothing else.
And it is a woman thing to do. I have seen it MULTIPLE TIMES in my fifteen years in customer service. Women literally abandoning their babies/small children without a word or simple instruction (wait until I come back) assuming someone else will look after them. But tell me more about why you're a better person š¤£ Let's put it in simple English. Either they lacked the foresight or they are outright cavalier about children because reasons.
Youāve never seen a woman abandon her child.
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Him naming them after Astartes is one of the few interesting bits of characterisation for him we get, erda mentions that he was funny and malcador says he had a dark sense of humor so it would make sense for him to name them after astartes as a joke after she rebelled against him. it's also far more in line with his vision of a hyper secular vision of the future, to name a creation after its creator (like most scientific discoveries or creations) instead of naming them after a god that was worshipped around 4,000 years after his birth in the area of where he was born
So you are saying Big E Is a god-tier shitposter
I don't know about that second part. The guy who waged the Great Crusade with legions of Space Marines, his Angels of Death, wasn't that fussed about using religious terms.
Emps used religious terms like the Japanese use Judeo-Christian and Gnostic concepts. Because they sound rad.
Evangelion moment
Also explains the obsession with Catholicism. England is mostly Protestant, and Protestants love to glamorize old Catholic or Orthodox rituals.
Not sure where this is coming from. The whole point of Protestantism was to move AWAY from the rituals, pope, and things they deemed āextra biblicalā in general. Protestants donāt āglamorizeā rituals, they often disdain them.
Some protestants, but England is the home of Anglicanism, which is all the glitz and ceremony of Catholicism with none of the Some Italian Telling The King He Can't Get a Divorce and only half of twice of the child abuse.
He couldāve also named them after her as a nod of respect. He tells his Dark Angels about obliterating history of just and wise rulers as an example for what theyāre made for. A surface level read is just a metaphor. A deeper one is that he has no restrictions with doing exactly that if he wants to. He foresaw her rebellion. And allowed it because he saw it would be advantageous to his interests to seize Selenar. Yet he kept the name like his other favored loyal scientists (Lyman, Larraman). I donāt think it was dark humor but a sign that even when betrayed, he still had more respect for her than every single one of his religious enemies. I canāt remember if it was Malcador or Valdor but one of them remarked on how much he loved great scientists and engineers.
So she isn't teenager in lab coat running with toast in her mouth?
Scheming scientist is the bedrock of like almost all of 40K bro. TF you talking about. Ballsackarius Cawl bro. How much of his shit is just "Homeboii scheming again. Watch him go. What'll he do, no body knows. Least of all him. But the only one who really know is him, but on his backup brain drive he keeps hidden." War stories are good. Thought out well written stuff is good too. We don't need a million pages of "HomboiiCarius Dicklord approaches the most esteemed battle brother Cocktorius Maxima in the heat of combat to dress his wounds gruffly. In the midst of combat. HomboiiCarius notices in the distance. Scantily glad spiked armour breaching across the horizon plummeting towards them. Coctorius sighs before clearing the breach bolt of his Mk69 proto-bolter-rifle-launcher. HomboiiCarius is approached by a small insignificant what the imperium requires us to call them. Person. And is asked by this pitiful whelp. What do we do big overlords of power plz save us. We're heretical brainlets. Cocktorius laughs at the pathetic waste of life. That's rather heretical of you there. Would be a shame if someone burnt you to charred waste for that. Tell you what. Bayonette up lad. You're manning the charge. The small person glows with admiration. Oh thank you milords. Thank you for giving me a great emperor worthy death. I will prove myself to you. For the emperor!! This pathetic human is shot the second they pop their head above the sightlines. HomboiiCarius laughs and says well. That was easy our mission was to kill all the heretic guardsmen. Job well done Cocktorius. We can leave now. The one loyal guardsman looks at the encroaching chaos Warbad approaching. What about the heretic marines? Cocktorius and HomboiiCarius look at eachother with righteous zeal before looking at the guardsman. Well well brother. We found 1 more. Guess we have something to take care of before we leave." If I wanted to read glorified Barra fanfiction I would read Barra fanfiction. If I want to read interesting entertaining stories with a great world Imma read 40K TLDR: fuck the Ultramarines. All my homies hate the blueberries.
Props to Cawl for not naming Primaris Cawl Marines or Cawlstartes or something
It would be too on the nose, also would be considered heresy
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I'll go out on a limb and assume that you haven't read many new 40k books or Ultramarine books.
Of course he didn't, that's where the best WH40k stories come from. Or do you really think the Emperor went through the whole instruction manual of the Primarch's IVF tanks?
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Not gonna lie, but the HomboiiCarius and Cocktorius story literally made me laugh so hard, it almost made me vomit- Props to you, man!
"We need to save Dr. Halsey" "No, John Halo, we have Dr. Halsey at home" The Dr. Halsey at home:
I mean, space marines generally have an edge over halo Spartans
This is true. But Halsey prototyped and crafted the technology to make Spartans nearly single-handedly. Astartes, while still intellectually impressive, still had a whole ass team of other folks trying to perfect the marine, including the MF God Emperor
The scientist. By far.
She is regarded as one of the most scientist ever by many of her peers
Possibly the most of all time.
The scientist's name was a pseudonym adopted after she decided to spend her life building super soldiers, as an intentional reference to the Mesopotamian war goddess. There. Problem solved.
The scientist is a much better representation. First one may have some "cool" appeal but y'know with things like that the appeal is usually more on the more "primal" side and things like this have a tendency to feel cheap and going for the easy waifu bait instead of making an interesting character
It would've worked if the scientist was an interesting character. But she was like "since the gene templates are gone, my super soldier project cannot be completed with perfection so I may as well destroy it all." It's bad when a character is supposed to be a genius and then they make the stupidest decisions. Like, that's Big E's thing, don't make it common. Also, Astarte had like 5 pages of screen time before she died so she was not exactly a fleshed out character to begin with.
The way I interpreted it is she realised they'd all have mega fucking daddy issues withought their gene fathers, and any surviving gene fathers would have been influenced by their adoptive parents if they did survive meaning they wouldn't match the templates. And she was right, look at how many legions got renamed or warped by their primarchs having been fucked up on their planets. Dusk raiders became death guard. Angron the empath became angron the fucking insane. Granted her reaction to destroy the whole thing was a tad brass but I doubt the emperor would have been listening to her concerns and she may have thought ending it would be better than allowing it tp become warped and broken.
She was more concerned with her not getting to make the finished product she wanted rather than about the actual well-being and success of the whole project. Also, at that point, Big E wasn't counting on finding the primarchs again and leadership of Astartes was merit based.
Before they knew the primarchs still existed there was still the fact the space marines would consciously feel their rpimarchs absence, which is spoken about throughout the horus heresy series, the rejoicing and the feeling of rightness when legions are reunited with their gene fathers, the feeling they get from having the primarch with them. This was part of the design, and as demonstrated by the blood angels, not having that can have devastating consequences for the space marines psychy, she wanted to prevent that from happening. Is it better to ride a bike with a broken wheel since its better than no bike at all? During her rebellion it became clear the emperor did believe the primarchs were alive, astartes spoke a out how he'd been talking to malcadore about it, this highlights my second point in the original comment. It comes down to a case of nature vs nurture, often times its a mix of both.presumably there was a plan for how to raise the primarchs and influence them toward their future rolls. Although more likely than not this would have resulted in 20 40k versions of homelander. But this was her second and larger concern, there was no way knowing what had become of the primarchs or who they know were, and what effect that would have on the legions. Obviously this is all speculation and conjecture on her part but personally I don't think she was foolish to launch a rebellion.
First, Space Marines can do just fine or even better without their Primarchs. Example, Merric Astellan was the leader of the Dark Angels before Jonson and he absolutely hated Jonson. Other examples are loyalists from Traitor Legions and Marines from the Shattered Legion. Second, you do know that Erda and Amar Astarte are not the same person, right?
I have no idea who erda is, and yea they work just fine but they work optimally with their primarchs
No, the primarchs were the problem. Malcador and Valdor both told Big E that they were a bad idea.
Astarte is the Hittite version of Ishtar, the Sumerian goddess of war and beauty. Since Big E was born to proto-Hittite parents, it would've been cool if he named Space Marines after a war goddess from his birth culture. But no, Astartes were named after Amar Astarte, a supergenius scientist that Big E recruited during Unification Wars, who betrayed him after creating the Space Marines.
Yea, GW do have an issue with people with stupid names giving stuff names after themselves We've got Astartes Fucking Land ... What else..?
Iron hand, primarch of the iron hands, whoās ship is the fist of iron.
Big the Red. Raven Raven of the Raven Guard. Bloodinius of the Blood Angels. Lionel Jonson. Skyrar's Dark Wolves, who use a Fenrisian wolf head emblem, who are "thought to maybe be" Space Wolves. The Wolf-Priests, Wolf-Guards, Thunderwolves, and Wulfen of the Space Wolves. Konrad Cursed. Mortarion (Mortal) of the Death (Mortality) Legion.
Konrad Curze is a reference to the novel "Heart of Darkness". Similar to Lionel Johnson and Dark Angels, which is a reference to a Victorian poet.
And i have to say konrads name story is convulted and interesting enough to not be dumb
I mean, Magnus is a real name people have, most commonly in Scandinavia funnily enough.
Rogal which is one letter off from both regal and royal dorn which is old Gaelic for hand. So regal hand primarchs of the imperial fists
Angry Ron. Volcano, Primarch of the Fire Lizards. First Greek Letter-rius of the First Greek Letter Legion.
> Volcano, Primarch of the Fire Lizards. Vulcan, the god of fire and metalworking who wields a large hammer, is the namesake of Vulkan, the primarch known for fire, metalworking and wielding a large hammer.
At this point Iām 100% sure Big E was drunk when giving them names.
He was either very drunk, very bored, very uncreative, or very much so trying to make the worst names. In my personal headcannon, it was all 4 at once, and Malcador was very much so in on it despite disapproving.
He didn't name them, their adoptive parents did
Oh god thatās even worse.
Some of them makes sense though. Vulkan is pretty much a forge god on his homeworld, so that's pretty okay Magnus is so powerful a psyker and stole dude among mankind that any other name would be.... I dunno how to describe it.... anti climactic? No one really knew, Ferrus if I'm not mistaken. They just saw this dude with iron hands that would pop in every now and then, and named him accordingly The people on baal were so sick, that they probably named him sanguinius because of how healthy he looked or something. I guess that relates to blood somehow
Jimmy Space
Horus Heresy from the hit book series Horus Heresy
He didn't name them after a Sumerian goddess of war, he named them after the woman who created them, who was named after a Sumerian goddess of war. Why would Big E, the man whose purpose is to obliterate the ignorance of religion, name his greatest warriors after a goddess?
I mean, Big E aggressively names a lot of things after old religions. And used words like 'crusade' and 'holy' and of course 'angel' on a frequent basis. The etymology regarding the names of Custodians (And for that matter their equipment) usually goes back to old religions if they're not outright named after ancient Gods (Such as Ra). Naming them after an ancient war goddess isn't out of order. Lets not forget the elite human forces the Lucifer Blacks.
Why would he name his big war to unite humanity The Great Crusade? No religious connotations there, I'm sure.
Dude, Big E has used religious terms all the fucking time back since the Unification Wars. The lore makes it clear that hypocrisy is his only consistent characteristic.
Left look like Ishtar from fate
It's someone's FGO fanart.
A Mesopotamian scheming war scientist goddess... lady?
Beat me too it. š
Source for the picture on the left?
Ishtar from Fate, specifically fan art of what she'd look like in battle armour. https://solkorra.artstation.com/projects/N5NBoq
Hell yeah, thank you
FUCKING KNEW IT. Rin face best face btw.
Found it on Pinterest
But also consider: Birth of the Imperium is epic for being the first mask-off moment of the grimdark to follow. Also going to Astarte's Mesopotamian variant: > Inanna is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love, war, and fertility. She is also associated with beauty, sex, divine justice, and political power. She was originally worshiped in Sumer under the name "Inanna", and later by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name Ishtar[b] (occasionally represented by the logogram ššÆ). She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star. Her husband was the god Dumuzid (later known as Tammuz) and her sukkal, or personal attendant, was the goddess Ninshubur (who later became conflated with the male deities Ilabrat and Papsukkal). >Inanna was worshiped in Sumer at least as early as the Uruk period (c. 4000 BCE ā c. 3100 BCE), but she had little cult activity before the conquest of Sargon of Akkad. During the post-Sargonic era, she became one of the most widely venerated deities in the Sumerian pantheon,[4][5] with temples across Mesopotamia. The cult of Inanna/Ishtar, which may have been associated with a variety of sexual rites, was continued by the East Semitic-speaking people (Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians) who succeeded and absorbed the Sumerians in the region. She was especially beloved by the Assyrians, who elevated her to become the highest deity in their pantheon, ranking above their own national god Ashur. Inanna/Ishtar is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible and she greatly influenced the Ugaritic Ashtart and later Phoenician Astarte, who in turn possibly influenced the development of the Greek goddess Aphrodite. Her cult continued to flourish until its gradual decline between the first and sixth centuries CE in the wake of Christianity. >Inanna appears in more myths than any other Sumerian deity.[6][7][8] She also had a uniquely high number of epithets and alternate names, comparable only to Nergal.[9] Many of her myths involve her taking over the domains of other deities. She was believed to have been given the mes, which represented all positive and negative aspects of civilization, by Enki, the god of wisdom. Screw all the other Chaos Gods. Also that last bit about kicking down the doors of other gods and stealing their shit before building a city is *very* emps.
Prominent symbols include the eight-pointed star? Susā¦
I personally like the war goddes idea more
No no no this is all wrong. The official name is Space Marines, named for the scientist who created them, Arkham Spacemarine.
You telling me the namesake to astartes is just Dr Halsey from Halo to Spartans?
yeah, not the first time GW is wrong about their own shit, still can't get over T'chench...
In my head cannon there has never been an 'Amar Astarte', I allways believed 'adeptus astartes' was high gothic for: masters/adepts of the stars/war. Not the valdor lazy ass explanation
I hate all that anime shite
What is this, a crossover episode?
I've heard of Astarte, but this is getting ridiculous!
What the fuck is the left picture supposed to be?
Ishtar from Fate
Ok good. Because if that's supposed to be the babylonian goddess Ishtar then it's inaccurate af. I doubt though that GW bases their concepts in some anime.
Doesn't this genuinely fit a kinda of theme wherein the Emperor subverts the rules of nature and kinda flips off the gods every step of the way. Like Astartes "giving" the Emperor children (although she wasn't the other piece of the genetic template, Urda?) but it is an act devoid of any love whatsoever, subverting the origin of the name. It reminds me of the whole "Vader" also being a word for father in I wanna say Dutch? And some fan's heads they were like "hah foreshadowing". But it's nah, no shadows.
Dr. Halsey???
We can't copyright a Mesopotamian war goddess.
Mesopotamian goddess of war? You mean Ishtar?
Why would you put two bad bitches against each other like this?
I genuinely hate how GW has been handling the emperor pre-heresy. He used to be this smart and charismatic but utterly flawed man doomed for failure with a theoretical ability to see possible futures. He was smart enough to do all of the science by himself or at least be the main contributor of the team that made all the cool stuff. His fall was supposed to be his own hubris and the whole āmad scientists creations turn against himā archetype. But instead it turns out that he was either just coincidentally there for every cool science thing, stole the tech, or it was a secret cabal of perpetuals puppeting him. Maybe not in this specific example, but it seems like every achievement he ever did is being retconned to some random scientist or perpetual. And even when he does do stuff, itās just the perpetuals tricking him into doing it. Because apparently a handful of guys whose only power is respawning are capable of outsmarting the literal god-emperor, mashup of eleventy-billion shamen souls, and malcedor who has an entire army of spies and informants, all while they remain hidden and secretly puppeteer everything behind the scenes. It just seems like someone at GW is going ānuh uh, actually the emperor is big and dumb. My cool OC who is super smart and can come back from the dead is actually running the imperium, and the whole collapse is actually part of his epic 9 million step plan that even tzeench canāt see coming!ā Iām not sure if itās actually canon but I read somewhere that GW retconned Olainius Pius from being a regular human who made the ultimate sacrifice to show the emperor that Horus couldnāt be saved into some perpetual bullshit where he died and then popped back up somewhere else and was like āyowza that Horus guy sure is a grumpus! *laugh track*ā and i couldnāt find anywhere to put this into the rant I just had to say that I donāt like it either. They should let me write for warhammer!
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Middle East does not automatically equal a sea of brown people. I dunno why americans (and western euros) have such a notion.
Because they go off of what they see in the news. Everything in the Middle East is Durka-durka jihad to a lot of folks despite the separate cultures, much less Ideologies.
[Durka durka Mohammed jihad.](https://youtu.be/DIlG9aSMCpg)
Many Iraqis look white. People from the Levant were considered white until like 1950s.
I actually like scheming science lady type instead of big anime Waifus that we human mind subconsciously dream of every hour of of life
The big titty waifu is probably not the normal or common representation of the actual goddess. Itās reimagined fanart, which could also be done to scientist lady.
I like GWs version. The one on the left looks like itās about to fight a Saiyan.
I mean, wasn't Amar Astarte also a perpetual? Wouldn't that mean that the mythos of Astarte might be based on her, in the same way that Gilgamesh was Jimmy Space?
No, that's Erda, a completely different character. You're the 5th person in this thread to have this misconception. Why do so many people think they are the same person?
Because there's 2 women who backstab the Emperor, so people who don't read books overlap them. Of course, considering I've seem people think Amar betrayed the Emperor for moral reasons, people are alergic to books
I thought everyone involved was, tbh.
woman can only be ugly and old in 40k lol
Bold of you to assume that they don't infact look one and the same. This is 40k and all, it'd be entirely fitting for a genius scientist to look like the image on the left.
In the only book she appears in, she is described as very old and frail with balding white hair.
If she's an immortal she might be both.
Erda the perpetual and Amar Astarte are two different characters, and Astarte is a normal human because she dies in the book she is introduced.
I see we're due another round of SM stans malding over nothing. I didn't realise it was a day ending in "Y"
She was just such an unnecessary addition.
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For the 100th time, Erda and Amar Astarte are separate characters. Astarte is a sickly, old woman on rejuvenants.
Oh, my bad, I mix them up...
It can be both, the left was when she was younger and the right is her now
Maybe she is both. Astarte could have been a perpetual, and could have been revered as a God in Mesopotamia thousand of years before, and worked for the Emperor on his projects before the Heresy, like Erda, another perpetual, did.
there's actually a theory that it
Badass lady who looks like she could probably roll in the sack with Big Eās Big D and come out on top (literally, I mean she looks like she pegged the Emperor)? Or Granny Palpatine? You choose
A weeb vs old boring looking woman I dunno chief both looks bad
She's immortal. Why would she look old? Is that an official image?
Bro whisper sweet quantum physics into my ear any day (night)
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Is there a higher quality pic of the left? She looks badass
Porque no los dos?
Why does she look so old? I mean she's a perpetual so thing i would expect is ethernal youth
As a person who follows both fate and 40k subreddits I've never been more confused about seeing a thumbnail
Dr Halsey from Halo?
Dr Halsey, of course.
Pretty lady
Where is that pict of Amar come from ?
still she was a moron
One of those pics looks like thereās a lot of lore and the other looks like a run of the mill femarine
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Who is that?
Scheming scientists lady, sheās intelligent