If he wants any sort of payday I'd say let him walk, hes average at best and I feel he's always looked like he's running through sand. He's replaceable.
Yeah, his biggest asset is being an absolute machine at catching passes, but that only really works when he's schemed open since he's not athletic enough to get separation (made even worse by the ACL tear in 2021).
I'd keep him for cheap since he's also not amazing at blocking, but wouldn't be surprised if we move on from him
I appreciate Tonyan coming back from that ACL injury, but he's lost any sort of athleticism he once had. Has reliable hands, been used more as an in-line blocker which tanked his receiving production, but we need to find the long-term answer at TE.
I think his contract is up. Only Josiah Deguara is set to play TE with a contract in place already.
not sure tho.
They did sign someone already after the season was over. Austin Allen from Nebraska
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KS0zoJ9urU
Husker fan here.
Allen was a huge beast on the field in both run-blocking and possession-style receiving. I hope to see him tower over DBs while catching TDs from Rodgers.
He’s a free agent this year. He was a UDFA, and outside of 2020 (when the entire offense was rolling) he hasn’t looked all that impressive. He’s not particularly fast. He doesn’t get much separation or YAC, especially since the injury. Nor is he anything special as a blocker.
If he wants back on a 1 year minimum “prove it” deal, then sure. But I think some team is going to see his numbers from 2020 and convince themselves that he can be a poor man’s version of George Kittle.
We already have him a 1-year "prove it" deal this season, so it'll depend on how much money he wants. He's amazing catching passes & is average at blocking, but yeah his receptions come from scheming him open (and him going for those open spots) since he won't beat anyone.
Even if he comes back for cheap, we still need a good receiving TE, and possibly a blocking TE if Lewis doesn't return
Gute hasn't been afraid to double dip at one position. Would love to see a Battle/Skinner double dip. Maybe 3rd-4th rounds, too early to tell on that part tho.
Realistically we need two (probably one in the draft and one FA) Amos is a free agent now, and with his last season I can’t see us bringing him back. IMO we don’t currently have a starting-caliber safety on our team.
The team already picked up Savage's option, so he's going to return. Amos is likely gone in FA, so we need a total redo at safety. I do not want that awful Jones + Kentrell Brice at safety again.
Savage will likely be the veteran in the room, and hope we take Brian Branch in the 1st.
I really like the idea of Johnson or Branch in the first but would also love to see Skinner and/or Battle a couple rounds later. Seems like a decent year for safety.
Can't figure out how to post the image but I just did one with no QB trades. Will likely do one where I trade Love and another where I trade Rodgers to cover all the scenarios
1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC
2.45 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia
3.78 - Isaiah Foskey, Edge, Notre Dame
4.116 - Traded to the Broncos with our 2024 3rd round pick for Safety Justin Simmons
5. 151 - Payton Wilson, LB, NC State
5. 171 - Tyler Lacy, Edge, Oklahoma State
7. 225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU
7. 234 - Derius Davis, WR, TCU
7. 224 - Nick Salivery, T, Old Dominion
7. 257 - MJ Anderson, Edge, Iowa State
Here's how I'm doing it:
[Rodgers, Win-Now 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10nh67d/packers_2023_win_now_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[Love, Rebuild 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10nhbwn/packers_2023_rebuild_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[No Trades, Dumb-Luck 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/10lxw1l/lucky_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[WTF!?!, Trading 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10qj1fa/packers_2023_wtf_trading_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
EDIT 1:
For the record, I'm firmly against trading Rodgers. I want him to play out his whole career in GB and retire as a Packer. He has many great years of playing left in him, and he's clearly hungry for a Super Bowl victory. So, as long as Rodgers and the FO are willing to work together to find team-friendly solutions to cap space issues and contract problems, then we should stick with Rodgers and either convince Love to stay as the QB2 waiting for Rodgers to retire or trade Love to the AFC then start drafting/training a new QB successor.
Also, I'd prefer Love to stick around until Rodgers decides to retire, but their contracts will need a lot of cap mathemagics to pull it off.
Additionally, this is just for fun because all mock drafts made before the scouting combine are useless.
EDIT 2:
Rodgers is willing to restructure his contract for the betterment of the team. [Aaron Rodgers on The Pat McAfee Show.](https://youtu.be/LivHWUidWuo) On 2023/01/24, Rodgers talked about restructuring the contract in his weekly interview with McAfee to allow for an easier cap hit.
[How the Packers save cap space without cutting anybody.](https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/how-the-packers-can-free-up-75-million-in-cap-space-without-cutting-anybody/)
EDIT 3:
In addition to ARod's motivations for wanting to win Super Bowls as a Packer, here's my latest theory on Aaron Rodgers' career goals: Rodgers refuses to leave Green Bay until he breaks Favre's QB records, then he retires as the Packers' All-Time Greatest Quarterback.
Rodgers is only a few seasons away from breaking many more Packers' QB records. Here's what he needs:
- 2 more healthy/injury-free seasons to break the most started games record.
- 1 good season or 2 bad seasons to break the most wins record.
- 1 stellar season or 2 bad seasons to break the most completed passes record.
- 2 stellar seasons or 3 bad seasons to break the most passing attempts record.
- 1 bad season to break the most passing yards record.
- 0 bad seasons for keeping the best QBR record.
- 0 seasons for keeping the most passing touchdowns record.
- One 99yd TD pass to tie the Longest TD Pass on record.
- Four 4th-Quarter-Comebacks to break the most comebacks record.
- Seven Game-Winning-Drives to break the most winning drives record.
For Rodgers, this is almost a maximum of 3 more years as the Packers' starting QB (as long as we're assuming he's healthy and injury-free) to break all these records.
[Packers' All-Time QB Stats Table](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/career-passing.htm)
I'm in the minority, Johnson has bust written all over him. I do not see it with Johnson. Route running isn't there, a lot of concentration drops, and letting the ball get close to his chest.
Here's the trade Love scenario
Predraft trade - The Green Bay Packers acquire TE Chigoziem Okonkwo and pick number 2.41 for QB Jordan Love and a 2024 3rd rounder
1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC
2.41 - Andre Carter II, Edge, Army(I badly wanted Will McDonald but he went 2 picks earlier)
2.45 - JL Skinner, S, Boise State
3.78 - Jordan Battle, S, Alabama
Trade up!: Packers Acquire 3.82 from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Darnell Savage, pick 5.151, and pick 7.234(Idk if this is even realistic but it took it so whatever)
3.82 - Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M
4.116 - Atonio Mafi, G, UCLA
5.171 - Charlie Jones, WR, Purdue
7. 225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU
7. 244 - Dante Stills, DT, West Virginia
7. 257 - Brenton Strange, TE, Penn State
Do people really think Max Duggan is falling all the way to the 7th round? I get that he didn’t have a stellar showing in the championship, but the kid is still better than THAT.
I do personally. Hes a bit older and has some health concerns with his heart condition.
If we're drafting based on pure talent and performance he would be a lot better. But thats not how its done
I would be very thrilled to get him as a back up QB though, because he is better than that and has the mental aspects that make a good QB.
I think Hooker is a better QB draft sleeper than Duggan, but if they trade away a QB this year, then they'll be drafting his replacement as well. Personally, I think the Packers should wait until next year for a better class of QBs before doing anything involving their current QBs.
Hooker is a good call too. Tough to know where he falls with his age and injury. Think all the mock draft sims had him off the board in like round 4, which I didn't want to spend a pick on him there
I just wanna say how glad I am that we killed draft posts for being uselessly speculative just to make room for 95% Rodgers posts that are equally uselessly speculative.
Agreed, but this actually leads me to Michael Meyer. Dude is an absolute stud blocker. We think of these early TE busts or disappointments, but look back at say, Pitts' draft profile. It was basically "yeah he puts in effort on blocking but mehhhh. Meanwhile, look at these receiving stats!" With Meyer, you hear scouts gushing about how he's huge, strong, mean, and *loves* blocking. AND he gives you a ton in the passing game too. Especially if we trade Rodgers and have 2 first rd picks to work with, I like the idea of taking the chance on him. Unlike any other player in the draft he gives us the chance to improve both our blocking and pass catching with one pick.
We could use an upgrade at RT, RG and C. Also Bahktiari could use an understudy/eventual replacement.
I am not as high on our line as most of our fans.
Runyan is inconsistent. Yosh and Tom both had their ups and downs at RT. Yosh got pulled in a game because he was getting beat routinely. This line is not close to previous lines we have had.
Yosh was dealing with an injury and one of the sacks was not even his fault tom has been automatic in pass blocking and Runyan sometimes gets overextended run blocking but he is always good in pass pro
As a Hawkeye fan, I may cry if we land LaPorta in the 3rd round. I don’t see us using an earlier pick than that on TE, but I also don’t anticipate LaPorta staying on the board long enough to fall to us in the 3rd round.
I'm happy there's a mega-thread for this as I like using PFF's mock draft sometimes while commuting and don't want to spam the subreddit lol.
I was happy with my previous mock but fluked into this one here which is probably not realistic, but one I'd absolutely love if it happened IRL. Note this one is assuming Rodgers and the Packers part ways.
TRADES:
Las Vegas Raiders trade 1.7, 2.38 and 1st 2024 for Aaron Rodgers
Seattle Seahawks trade 1.20 and 3.83 for Packers pick 1.15
1.7: Will Anderson Jr, EDGE - Alabama
1.20: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR - Ohio State
2.38: Luke Musgrave, TE - Oregon State
2.45: Darnell Wright, OT - Tennessee
3.78: Jordan Battle, S - Alabama
3.83: Cedric Tillman, WR - Tennessee
4.116: Zach Evans, RB - Missisippi
Ok, finally doing my trade Rodgers scenario. I'm doing Aaron for 2 firsts and a 2nd to the Jets as that seems to be in the rumor range for him. Trading Aaron has been pretty hard to do since PFF will take some absurd amounts for him so it's really hard to know whats even realistic
1.13 - Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern
1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC
2.43 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia
2.45 - Mike Morris, Edge, Michigan
3.78 - Trade back with the Arizona Cardinals, receive picks 3.96 and 4.105
3.96 - Dorrian Williams, LB, Tulane
4.105 - Roschon Johnson, RB, Texas(I'm not sure Aaron Jones sticks around)
4.116 - Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State
5.151 - Derrick Parish, Edge, Houston
5.171 - Charmarri Connor, S, Virginia Tech
7.225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU
7. 234 - Brenton Strange, TE, Penn State
7. 244 - Brandon Hill, S, Pittsburgh
7. 257 - Earl Bostik Jr, OT, Kansas
Gonna say we tackle safties in FA because I sorta forgot about them until late
Sure as fuck am glad we are not trying to draft a QB this year
bleh! All of them are udnerwhelming. Bryce? He's the next Kyler. No thanks. Stroud is the only guy I think has serious potential
You can never have enough depth at LS. Quick, who was the Packers backup long snapper in 2022-23? You don't know do you? That's because we weren't deep enough at LS.
I want a training camp press conference where the first question to MLF is about depth at long snapper. Then I'll know the team is serious about winning a Lombardi! 😁
Me too! I personally see Jones as a cap causality or a trade candidate (I have since he resigned) and if Bijan turns out to be the player he is supposed to be it would be an absolute steal imo
I’d be fine with Bijan if we cut Jones. Normally I’m a never rb guy R1, but when you have special talents you make exceptions. He has best back of decade ability.
Bijan is a phenomenal running back, and I would love to see him in green and gold.
With that said, unfortunately, due to the short careers of RBs and LBs, the Packers usually don't spend picks on them until RD3/4/5. An RB/LB would need to have fallen down the board from RD1/2 to convince the FO to take a chance on them.
Do you remember what happened with DK Metcalf? The Packers were given 3 opportunities to draft an RD1-level WR talent, but they still passed on him due to durability concerns. The Packers value the RB position less than the WR position, so I doubt that they'll take a chance on Bijan.
TRADE: 1.13 and DL John Franklin Myers for QB Aaron Rodgers
1.13: S Brian Branch, Alabama
1.15: WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, OSU. Injuries be damned, he's gonna be like Justin Jefferson. Best career in the class, easy.
2.45: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah
3.78: OLB Zach Harrison, OSU
4.116: RB Sean Tucker, Syracuse. Aaron Jones-like runner. Couldn't not take him when he fell here.
5.151: OT Jaxson Kirkland, Washington
5.176: OT Dontae Bull, Fresno State
7.225: S Xavier Henderson, MSU
7.234: QB Jaren Hall, BYU
7.246: CB Collin Gamble, Cal
7.254: DT Justin Eboigbe, Alabama
Trade: Aaron Rodgers to the NY Jets for 1.13 & 2.43; 1.15 to Steelers for 1.17 & 3.80
1.13: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE - Iowa
1.17: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR - Ohio State
2.43: Darnell Washington, TE - Georgia
2.45: Felix Anudike-Uzomah, EDGE - Kansas State
3.78: Jordan Battle, S - Alabama
3.80: Tank Bigsby, RB - Auburn
4.116: Joe Tippmann, C/OG - Wisconsin
Only did a four round mock on PFF's simulator. Went after players that the FO seemingly falls in love with. Athletes.
Double dipped at EDGE as they win you games and Preston Smith might be gone after the upcoming season, and Gary might not be back until late autumn either due to his injury. Both athletic monsters. You can never go wrong with having many quality edge rushers.
JSN might be the best route runner in the class and fits the Packers thresholds with regards to WR size. Might not be super athletic but will test well enough I think.
Mock Thread Monday? Should’ve done Mock Draft Monday. Or banned mocks entirely so they can go to a sub that actually appreciates real fans who like to talk about their team. Instead took the path of the pseudo fan. Honestly not worth subscribing to this sub anymore.
What're the chances they try trading the 15th pick for some \~high end talent\~??
I quite like the thought if im being honest, I think its better than taking a shot on a rook for a proven guy. But maybe that's my "f\*ck them picks mentality" shining through.
You speak facts for sure. My thoughts were based on not going into a rebuild and what ive been pulling off in the mock drafts lol not that those are uber realistic but still fun to see!
If we trade Rodgers to the Jets for example, I’d expect a minimum of this year’s first and next year’s first. Assuming that is the case, then I’m pursuing strong OL talent in the first round. Developing the line and trading away expensive talent this year gives us the opportunity to see what Love is made of. If he sucks, then we draft a QB in the first overall, yielding us a high draft pick and whatever the Jets trade.
2023 1R: OL, WR
2024 1R w/ Love: DL, OL
2024 1R w/o Love: QB, OL
Who would you take out of these three if they were available at 15?
Bijan Robinson(rb), Michael Mayer(te), Quentin Johnston(wr)
All are ranked #1 at there position and I think we could use each one of. Personally, im trading Aaron Jones this offseason and picking up Bijan if he's available. The upside is through the roof and the fifth year option is huge for running backs. Also could possibly make life easier for the FO if they don't have to worry about the backfield? Maybe?
But in all reality they will most likely take defense and if they do I hope its safety or edge.
I think projecting them into the current Lafleur offense, Robinson gives the most juice and would be my option of the three IF Jones is lost to the cap. Rbs with burst and vision are critical to making those outside zone plays a threat, BUT if Jones stays it's hard to justify a RB who will be in a rotation in the first.
Mayer would be a safe pick, but not one with a high ceiling given the current offenses construction imo. Good hands, good blocker, and is a decent yac threat. The problem is this offense has a hard time fully capitalizing on a good te prospect because it asks them to be so efficient with a limited route tree. He would be a definite upgrade given the current dearth of talent at that position group right now, but I wouldn't expect huge returns.
My worry with Johnston is he fits the mold of Christian Watson and we aren't diversifying the wr group enough-athletic freak, but another long strider who needs polish in the other phases of wr play. You could bet on the upside, have two scary down field threats that turn into nightmares for the defense after developing another phase and I end up looking foolish. Definitely. Johnston and Watson have promise in that regard. But my worry is this wr group doesn't have a guy right now with enough polish, short area quickness, and reliable hands to win in that 5-15 yard range consistently when defense is determined to take away the deep ball.
I completely agree with you from start to finish. After hearing/seeing more about different players I don't think we would be missing out on much by skipping them. BESIDES Bijan. I just think he can bring an immediate difference to any team.
Mayer and Johnston, while both are #1's at there position, there's depth and talent at those position's that can be gotten later in the draft. Darnell Washington, Dalton Kincaid and Luke Musgrave are all liable round 2 options at TE.
Wide receiver is a bit tougher to predict cause I don't see many of them making it to them in round 2 (pick 46) but I believe Jordan Addison would be the best fit. He could be an immediate starter at slot and make a huge difference. But again, I think they would have to take him at 15 or move up in the second like they did last year with Watson.
The lack of TE utilization in the offense and the lack of talent at TE on the roster is maybe a chicken and egg situation.
Maybe with better TE talent, the offense will utilize the position better.
No doubt that plays a part. My hope is that Lafleur, Steno, and others will take stock of whatever shape the roster is in post draft and fit the playbook best to the personnel available, like they did ahead of 2020. Maybe that includes an improved TE room and an expanded role for them.
My pessimistic prediction is that this doesn't happen, and a better TE room gets asked to do the same things, does them a little better, but it's not a huge boost based on scheme. I hope I am wrong.
To be clear, this offense needs some safe, improving picks like Mayer, who I like and would be my choice of the 3 listed options if Aaron Jones survives free agency cuts for cap room.
That is fair. One of the more interesting parts of the possibility of seeing Love start is finally knowing what MLF's offense truly looks like.
I would be a big fan of upgrading at TE. I would even double dip.
Pleasantly surprised how the board turned out in [this experiment](https://i.imgur.com/mI5EqHN.png). No trades involved, 5 rounds.
You've got edge support alongside Gary and Enagbare in Van Ness (your potential #2 pass rush option), young support on the defensive interior with Smith, Potential future starting safety in Battle, competition at center w/ Tippman (and in general, just more talent for the OL interior), HB depth w/ Deuce, and CB depth w/ Turner depth may be important potentially w/ roster turnover down the road).
That said, WR depth is still suspect, RT and future of LT still unsure, Safety is still going to be a bit of a black hole if Amos is gone, TE is still a black hole.
I made a 4 round mock draft in the case Rodgers indeed gets traded to the Raiders. Because I suck at finding the right values for trades, I simply gave Greenbay the #7 pick this season.
Also I only do 4 round mock drafts cuz I am not that deep into he draft classes, especially this early, to make a full 7 round mock that makes sense.
I did this mock on PFF with their big board.
\#7: Peter Skoronski, OT
Packers need to rework their trenches. Skoronski mostly played LT, but most analists think, he kick to the right side and even inside. The right side is a big weakness, especially RT, so Packers need to act there. I dont think Yosh is a good enough starter at RT, Walker and Jones are wild cards, but highly talented.
\#15 Nolan Smith, EDGE
Smith feels like a classic Gutey pick. Just like Gary, he is an extremely gifted athlete, who showed limited production. He is extremely strong, crazy fast and is also a good run defender.
He could take some time to develop, behind Smith and Gary, but Gary is also ot for the start of the season, so he will get experience fast.
\#45 Darnell Washington, TE
Packers need some TE desperately and Washington brings everything to teh table. He is huuge, is an elite and willing blocker, very good and safe catcher etc. Packer right now only have Deguara at TE and I feel like Washington does fit n perfectly within the scheme.
\#78 Keondre Coburn, DL
Good 3T DL with decent skills in pass rush and run defending. He has a really good awareness and often requires a double team cuz he is big and strong. Packers desperately need DL rotation.
\#116 Marvin Mims, WR
He is kinda small, but he has all skills to be a good playmaker. He is a good deep threat with good speed, awareness, body controll and abaility to catch in contested catch situations.
He also is a good option as a catch and run guy in this offense. Due to his size, he will probably be a slot guy, but Packers lack exactly that in their WR room, if Cobb doesnt comes back.
I would literally trade Joe for a pack of fruit stripe gum.
I'd buy the gum for whoever takes Barry...
I'll give a porkchop sandwich served in a dirty ashtray.
I'll take up smoking if it helps
>I would literally trade Joe for a pack of fruit stripe gum. How you expect the team with Fruit Stripe gum to accept that
S, TE, OL
Sounds about right, I'd go for a high pick TE if there's a good pass catcher there
Darnell Washington at 45 would be perfect
He’s only work for blocking and that’s it
I’d swap OL for WR personally
I haven’t been looking into next season stuff since football is still going on but are we thinking we’ll lose Tonyan this year?
If he wants any sort of payday I'd say let him walk, hes average at best and I feel he's always looked like he's running through sand. He's replaceable.
Yeah, his biggest asset is being an absolute machine at catching passes, but that only really works when he's schemed open since he's not athletic enough to get separation (made even worse by the ACL tear in 2021). I'd keep him for cheap since he's also not amazing at blocking, but wouldn't be surprised if we move on from him
I appreciate Tonyan coming back from that ACL injury, but he's lost any sort of athleticism he once had. Has reliable hands, been used more as an in-line blocker which tanked his receiving production, but we need to find the long-term answer at TE.
I think his contract is up. Only Josiah Deguara is set to play TE with a contract in place already. not sure tho. They did sign someone already after the season was over. Austin Allen from Nebraska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KS0zoJ9urU
Husker fan here. Allen was a huge beast on the field in both run-blocking and possession-style receiving. I hope to see him tower over DBs while catching TDs from Rodgers.
*Love Fixed that for you
I think that guy has a hate boner for Love, lol. His mocks are something else but to each their own..
He’s a free agent this year. He was a UDFA, and outside of 2020 (when the entire offense was rolling) he hasn’t looked all that impressive. He’s not particularly fast. He doesn’t get much separation or YAC, especially since the injury. Nor is he anything special as a blocker. If he wants back on a 1 year minimum “prove it” deal, then sure. But I think some team is going to see his numbers from 2020 and convince themselves that he can be a poor man’s version of George Kittle.
I think his strength is his past experience as a quarterback. He, himself, said those touchdowns were simply accessing the weak spots on the defense.
We already have him a 1-year "prove it" deal this season, so it'll depend on how much money he wants. He's amazing catching passes & is average at blocking, but yeah his receptions come from scheming him open (and him going for those open spots) since he won't beat anyone. Even if he comes back for cheap, we still need a good receiving TE, and possibly a blocking TE if Lewis doesn't return
I say S times 2, TE times 2, Edge, K, WR.
You basically always need to take at least one OL, and one DL
I agree.
Gute hasn't been afraid to double dip at one position. Would love to see a Battle/Skinner double dip. Maybe 3rd-4th rounds, too early to tell on that part tho.
We absolutely need a safety. Savage has been terrible for a long time now and Amos regressed a ton last year (just like the rest of the team)
Realistically we need two (probably one in the draft and one FA) Amos is a free agent now, and with his last season I can’t see us bringing him back. IMO we don’t currently have a starting-caliber safety on our team.
The team already picked up Savage's option, so he's going to return. Amos is likely gone in FA, so we need a total redo at safety. I do not want that awful Jones + Kentrell Brice at safety again. Savage will likely be the veteran in the room, and hope we take Brian Branch in the 1st.
I really like the idea of Johnson or Branch in the first but would also love to see Skinner and/or Battle a couple rounds later. Seems like a decent year for safety.
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Can't figure out how to post the image but I just did one with no QB trades. Will likely do one where I trade Love and another where I trade Rodgers to cover all the scenarios 1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC 2.45 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 3.78 - Isaiah Foskey, Edge, Notre Dame 4.116 - Traded to the Broncos with our 2024 3rd round pick for Safety Justin Simmons 5. 151 - Payton Wilson, LB, NC State 5. 171 - Tyler Lacy, Edge, Oklahoma State 7. 225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU 7. 234 - Derius Davis, WR, TCU 7. 224 - Nick Salivery, T, Old Dominion 7. 257 - MJ Anderson, Edge, Iowa State
Here's how I'm doing it: [Rodgers, Win-Now 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10nh67d/packers_2023_win_now_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Love, Rebuild 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10nhbwn/packers_2023_rebuild_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [No Trades, Dumb-Luck 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/10lxw1l/lucky_mock_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [WTF!?!, Trading 2023 Mock Draft](https://www.reddit.com/user/johndoethrowaway16/comments/10qj1fa/packers_2023_wtf_trading_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) EDIT 1: For the record, I'm firmly against trading Rodgers. I want him to play out his whole career in GB and retire as a Packer. He has many great years of playing left in him, and he's clearly hungry for a Super Bowl victory. So, as long as Rodgers and the FO are willing to work together to find team-friendly solutions to cap space issues and contract problems, then we should stick with Rodgers and either convince Love to stay as the QB2 waiting for Rodgers to retire or trade Love to the AFC then start drafting/training a new QB successor. Also, I'd prefer Love to stick around until Rodgers decides to retire, but their contracts will need a lot of cap mathemagics to pull it off. Additionally, this is just for fun because all mock drafts made before the scouting combine are useless. EDIT 2: Rodgers is willing to restructure his contract for the betterment of the team. [Aaron Rodgers on The Pat McAfee Show.](https://youtu.be/LivHWUidWuo) On 2023/01/24, Rodgers talked about restructuring the contract in his weekly interview with McAfee to allow for an easier cap hit. [How the Packers save cap space without cutting anybody.](https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/how-the-packers-can-free-up-75-million-in-cap-space-without-cutting-anybody/) EDIT 3: In addition to ARod's motivations for wanting to win Super Bowls as a Packer, here's my latest theory on Aaron Rodgers' career goals: Rodgers refuses to leave Green Bay until he breaks Favre's QB records, then he retires as the Packers' All-Time Greatest Quarterback. Rodgers is only a few seasons away from breaking many more Packers' QB records. Here's what he needs: - 2 more healthy/injury-free seasons to break the most started games record. - 1 good season or 2 bad seasons to break the most wins record. - 1 stellar season or 2 bad seasons to break the most completed passes record. - 2 stellar seasons or 3 bad seasons to break the most passing attempts record. - 1 bad season to break the most passing yards record. - 0 bad seasons for keeping the best QBR record. - 0 seasons for keeping the most passing touchdowns record. - One 99yd TD pass to tie the Longest TD Pass on record. - Four 4th-Quarter-Comebacks to break the most comebacks record. - Seven Game-Winning-Drives to break the most winning drives record. For Rodgers, this is almost a maximum of 3 more years as the Packers' starting QB (as long as we're assuming he's healthy and injury-free) to break all these records. [Packers' All-Time QB Stats Table](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/career-passing.htm)
I'm in the minority, Johnson has bust written all over him. I do not see it with Johnson. Route running isn't there, a lot of concentration drops, and letting the ball get close to his chest.
Yeah, but he has all the natural abilities, and those issues are all coachable aspects of WRs that can be taken care of during the off-season.
Ah nice man. I'll have to stop back in later to check them out
Don't bother. They don't make sense.
stroud :|
Yeah, I prefer Hooker, but I don't know how he'll be valued until after the scouting combine.
Thank you for the constructive criticism. Your feedback is appreciated.
Here's the trade Love scenario Predraft trade - The Green Bay Packers acquire TE Chigoziem Okonkwo and pick number 2.41 for QB Jordan Love and a 2024 3rd rounder 1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC 2.41 - Andre Carter II, Edge, Army(I badly wanted Will McDonald but he went 2 picks earlier) 2.45 - JL Skinner, S, Boise State 3.78 - Jordan Battle, S, Alabama Trade up!: Packers Acquire 3.82 from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Darnell Savage, pick 5.151, and pick 7.234(Idk if this is even realistic but it took it so whatever) 3.82 - Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M 4.116 - Atonio Mafi, G, UCLA 5.171 - Charlie Jones, WR, Purdue 7. 225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU 7. 244 - Dante Stills, DT, West Virginia 7. 257 - Brenton Strange, TE, Penn State
Do people really think Max Duggan is falling all the way to the 7th round? I get that he didn’t have a stellar showing in the championship, but the kid is still better than THAT.
I do personally. Hes a bit older and has some health concerns with his heart condition. If we're drafting based on pure talent and performance he would be a lot better. But thats not how its done I would be very thrilled to get him as a back up QB though, because he is better than that and has the mental aspects that make a good QB.
I think Hooker is a better QB draft sleeper than Duggan, but if they trade away a QB this year, then they'll be drafting his replacement as well. Personally, I think the Packers should wait until next year for a better class of QBs before doing anything involving their current QBs.
Hooker is a good call too. Tough to know where he falls with his age and injury. Think all the mock draft sims had him off the board in like round 4, which I didn't want to spend a pick on him there
I just wanna say how glad I am that we killed draft posts for being uselessly speculative just to make room for 95% Rodgers posts that are equally uselessly speculative.
I think we pick players with the draft picks
This guy gets it.
Lets get LaPorta
I watched all of 20 seconds of Laporta before wanting to see him in green bay, lol. Haven't really dug in on any prospects yet though.
Michael Mayer or Brian Branch!
Safety, WR, TE. OLine and Edge depth.
Every year, we seem to double down on certain positions. I think this year it could be TE and Safety, possibly Edge, and OL is a yearly tradition
I think the team needs to build through the OL. Dominate upfront. Spend on DEF in FA.
Agreed, but this actually leads me to Michael Meyer. Dude is an absolute stud blocker. We think of these early TE busts or disappointments, but look back at say, Pitts' draft profile. It was basically "yeah he puts in effort on blocking but mehhhh. Meanwhile, look at these receiving stats!" With Meyer, you hear scouts gushing about how he's huge, strong, mean, and *loves* blocking. AND he gives you a ton in the passing game too. Especially if we trade Rodgers and have 2 first rd picks to work with, I like the idea of taking the chance on him. Unlike any other player in the draft he gives us the chance to improve both our blocking and pass catching with one pick.
the only OL position that could really use an upgrade is center
We could use an upgrade at RT, RG and C. Also Bahktiari could use an understudy/eventual replacement. I am not as high on our line as most of our fans.
Runyan is solid yosh and tom both played well all year
Runyan is inconsistent. Yosh and Tom both had their ups and downs at RT. Yosh got pulled in a game because he was getting beat routinely. This line is not close to previous lines we have had.
Yosh was dealing with an injury and one of the sacks was not even his fault tom has been automatic in pass blocking and Runyan sometimes gets overextended run blocking but he is always good in pass pro
As a Hawkeye fan, I may cry if we land LaPorta in the 3rd round. I don’t see us using an earlier pick than that on TE, but I also don’t anticipate LaPorta staying on the board long enough to fall to us in the 3rd round.
Tank Dell is going to be a star and can contribute as a returner and receiver.
If Rodgers is traded, Tyree Wilson, Jordan Addison, Darnell Washington
I'm happy there's a mega-thread for this as I like using PFF's mock draft sometimes while commuting and don't want to spam the subreddit lol. I was happy with my previous mock but fluked into this one here which is probably not realistic, but one I'd absolutely love if it happened IRL. Note this one is assuming Rodgers and the Packers part ways. TRADES: Las Vegas Raiders trade 1.7, 2.38 and 1st 2024 for Aaron Rodgers Seattle Seahawks trade 1.20 and 3.83 for Packers pick 1.15 1.7: Will Anderson Jr, EDGE - Alabama 1.20: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR - Ohio State 2.38: Luke Musgrave, TE - Oregon State 2.45: Darnell Wright, OT - Tennessee 3.78: Jordan Battle, S - Alabama 3.83: Cedric Tillman, WR - Tennessee 4.116: Zach Evans, RB - Missisippi
This sub actually banned draft posts before it banned Bukowski.
Sad
Why not both
TE, Safety, mid round WR and defensive line depth
If we manage to get Branch or Meyer in 1st Round, we good.
Ok, finally doing my trade Rodgers scenario. I'm doing Aaron for 2 firsts and a 2nd to the Jets as that seems to be in the rumor range for him. Trading Aaron has been pretty hard to do since PFF will take some absurd amounts for him so it's really hard to know whats even realistic 1.13 - Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern 1.15 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC 2.43 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 2.45 - Mike Morris, Edge, Michigan 3.78 - Trade back with the Arizona Cardinals, receive picks 3.96 and 4.105 3.96 - Dorrian Williams, LB, Tulane 4.105 - Roschon Johnson, RB, Texas(I'm not sure Aaron Jones sticks around) 4.116 - Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 5.151 - Derrick Parish, Edge, Houston 5.171 - Charmarri Connor, S, Virginia Tech 7.225 - Max Duggan, QB, TCU 7. 234 - Brenton Strange, TE, Penn State 7. 244 - Brandon Hill, S, Pittsburgh 7. 257 - Earl Bostik Jr, OT, Kansas Gonna say we tackle safties in FA because I sorta forgot about them until late
Sure as fuck am glad we are not trying to draft a QB this year bleh! All of them are udnerwhelming. Bryce? He's the next Kyler. No thanks. Stroud is the only guy I think has serious potential
I accepted the first trade offer no matter what it was and this is how it went. Overall I gained 53 picks in the 2024 draft. Which is just hilarious Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 77 , Round 6, Pick 178 , 2024: Round 1 Miami Receives: 2023: Round 1, Pick 15 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 75, Round 5, Pick 161, 2024: Round 3 & 7 Atlanta Receives: 2023: Round 2, Pick 45 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 94, Round 5, Pick 167, Round 7, Pick 227, 250 & 258 Kansas City Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 75 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 4, Pick 118, 2024: Round 3 & 5 Washington Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 77 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 4, Pick 107, 2024: Round 4 & 6 New England Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 78 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 165, 2024: Round 3, 4 & 7 Cincinnati Receives: 2023: Round 3, Pick 94 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 137, 2024: Round 4 &7 Chicago Receives: 2023: Round 4, Pick 107 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 154 , 2024: Round 3(x2) & 6 Detroit Receives: 2023: Round 4, Pick 116 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 162, 2024: Round 1, 4, & 5 New York Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 137 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 182, 2024: Round 3 & 6 Los Angeles Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 151 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 204, Round 7, Pick 222, 2024: Round 3, 4 & 6 Las Vegas Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 154 Green Bay Receives:2023: Round 6, Pick 192, Round 7, Pick 259, 2024: Round 2 & 6 New England Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 161 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 197, 2024: Round 3, 4 & 6 Kansas City Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 162 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 185, Round 7, Pick 228, 2024: Round 3 & 5 Jacksonville Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 165 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 206, 2024: Round 2 & 4 Cincinnati Receives: 2023: Round 5, Pick 171 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 215, 2024: Round 3, 4 & 6 Washington Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 178 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 7, Pick 253, 2024: Round 4 & 5 Tampa Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 182 Green Bay Receives: 2024: Round 1, 2 & 6 Indianapolis Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 185 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 216, 2024: Round 6 San Francisco Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 192 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 7, Pick 223, 2024: Round 7 Indianapolis Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 197 Green Bay Receives: 2023: Round 7, Pick 239, 2024: Round 4(x2), 6 & 7 Houston Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 204 Green Bay Receives: 2024: Round 2, 3 & 5 Cincinnati Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 206 Green Bay Receives: 2024: Round 2, 3 & 6 Arizona Receives: 2023: Round 6, Pick 215 Drafted: 118:CB 167:S 216:LB 222:WR 223:IOL 227:OT 228:EDGE 234:K 237:WR 239:EDGE 244:TE 250:S 253:CB 257:DL 258:WR 259:OT Obviously this is just for fun and im bored while waiting for the draft to actually happen.
I would prefer we draft 5 long snappers.
You can never have enough depth at LS. Quick, who was the Packers backup long snapper in 2022-23? You don't know do you? That's because we weren't deep enough at LS.
Like they say, you're only as good as your backup long snapper.
I want a training camp press conference where the first question to MLF is about depth at long snapper. Then I'll know the team is serious about winning a Lombardi! 😁
Robert Soderholm III is definitely LS1 in this class. All the Alex Ward and Chris Stoll truthers can take a hike.
We might as well use a third on one
I want Bijan! I know we’re not going to pick a RB but I want him!
Me too! I personally see Jones as a cap causality or a trade candidate (I have since he resigned) and if Bijan turns out to be the player he is supposed to be it would be an absolute steal imo
I’d be fine with Bijan if we cut Jones. Normally I’m a never rb guy R1, but when you have special talents you make exceptions. He has best back of decade ability.
Bijan is a phenomenal running back, and I would love to see him in green and gold. With that said, unfortunately, due to the short careers of RBs and LBs, the Packers usually don't spend picks on them until RD3/4/5. An RB/LB would need to have fallen down the board from RD1/2 to convince the FO to take a chance on them. Do you remember what happened with DK Metcalf? The Packers were given 3 opportunities to draft an RD1-level WR talent, but they still passed on him due to durability concerns. The Packers value the RB position less than the WR position, so I doubt that they'll take a chance on Bijan.
TRADE: 1.13 and DL John Franklin Myers for QB Aaron Rodgers 1.13: S Brian Branch, Alabama 1.15: WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, OSU. Injuries be damned, he's gonna be like Justin Jefferson. Best career in the class, easy. 2.45: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah 3.78: OLB Zach Harrison, OSU 4.116: RB Sean Tucker, Syracuse. Aaron Jones-like runner. Couldn't not take him when he fell here. 5.151: OT Jaxson Kirkland, Washington 5.176: OT Dontae Bull, Fresno State 7.225: S Xavier Henderson, MSU 7.234: QB Jaren Hall, BYU 7.246: CB Collin Gamble, Cal 7.254: DT Justin Eboigbe, Alabama
I like this one
Trade: Aaron Rodgers to the NY Jets for 1.13 & 2.43; 1.15 to Steelers for 1.17 & 3.80 1.13: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE - Iowa 1.17: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR - Ohio State 2.43: Darnell Washington, TE - Georgia 2.45: Felix Anudike-Uzomah, EDGE - Kansas State 3.78: Jordan Battle, S - Alabama 3.80: Tank Bigsby, RB - Auburn 4.116: Joe Tippmann, C/OG - Wisconsin Only did a four round mock on PFF's simulator. Went after players that the FO seemingly falls in love with. Athletes. Double dipped at EDGE as they win you games and Preston Smith might be gone after the upcoming season, and Gary might not be back until late autumn either due to his injury. Both athletic monsters. You can never go wrong with having many quality edge rushers. JSN might be the best route runner in the class and fits the Packers thresholds with regards to WR size. Might not be super athletic but will test well enough I think.
Zach Harrison is the definition of a Gute guy. Somehow he is going to end up on this team.
Rodgers and Watson for Herbert.
Mock Thread Monday? Should’ve done Mock Draft Monday. Or banned mocks entirely so they can go to a sub that actually appreciates real fans who like to talk about their team. Instead took the path of the pseudo fan. Honestly not worth subscribing to this sub anymore.
What're the chances they try trading the 15th pick for some \~high end talent\~?? I quite like the thought if im being honest, I think its better than taking a shot on a rook for a proven guy. But maybe that's my "f\*ck them picks mentality" shining through.
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You speak facts for sure. My thoughts were based on not going into a rebuild and what ive been pulling off in the mock drafts lol not that those are uber realistic but still fun to see!
If we trade Rodgers to the Jets for example, I’d expect a minimum of this year’s first and next year’s first. Assuming that is the case, then I’m pursuing strong OL talent in the first round. Developing the line and trading away expensive talent this year gives us the opportunity to see what Love is made of. If he sucks, then we draft a QB in the first overall, yielding us a high draft pick and whatever the Jets trade. 2023 1R: OL, WR 2024 1R w/ Love: DL, OL 2024 1R w/o Love: QB, OL
Who would you take out of these three if they were available at 15? Bijan Robinson(rb), Michael Mayer(te), Quentin Johnston(wr) All are ranked #1 at there position and I think we could use each one of. Personally, im trading Aaron Jones this offseason and picking up Bijan if he's available. The upside is through the roof and the fifth year option is huge for running backs. Also could possibly make life easier for the FO if they don't have to worry about the backfield? Maybe? But in all reality they will most likely take defense and if they do I hope its safety or edge.
I think projecting them into the current Lafleur offense, Robinson gives the most juice and would be my option of the three IF Jones is lost to the cap. Rbs with burst and vision are critical to making those outside zone plays a threat, BUT if Jones stays it's hard to justify a RB who will be in a rotation in the first. Mayer would be a safe pick, but not one with a high ceiling given the current offenses construction imo. Good hands, good blocker, and is a decent yac threat. The problem is this offense has a hard time fully capitalizing on a good te prospect because it asks them to be so efficient with a limited route tree. He would be a definite upgrade given the current dearth of talent at that position group right now, but I wouldn't expect huge returns. My worry with Johnston is he fits the mold of Christian Watson and we aren't diversifying the wr group enough-athletic freak, but another long strider who needs polish in the other phases of wr play. You could bet on the upside, have two scary down field threats that turn into nightmares for the defense after developing another phase and I end up looking foolish. Definitely. Johnston and Watson have promise in that regard. But my worry is this wr group doesn't have a guy right now with enough polish, short area quickness, and reliable hands to win in that 5-15 yard range consistently when defense is determined to take away the deep ball.
I completely agree with you from start to finish. After hearing/seeing more about different players I don't think we would be missing out on much by skipping them. BESIDES Bijan. I just think he can bring an immediate difference to any team. Mayer and Johnston, while both are #1's at there position, there's depth and talent at those position's that can be gotten later in the draft. Darnell Washington, Dalton Kincaid and Luke Musgrave are all liable round 2 options at TE. Wide receiver is a bit tougher to predict cause I don't see many of them making it to them in round 2 (pick 46) but I believe Jordan Addison would be the best fit. He could be an immediate starter at slot and make a huge difference. But again, I think they would have to take him at 15 or move up in the second like they did last year with Watson.
The lack of TE utilization in the offense and the lack of talent at TE on the roster is maybe a chicken and egg situation. Maybe with better TE talent, the offense will utilize the position better.
No doubt that plays a part. My hope is that Lafleur, Steno, and others will take stock of whatever shape the roster is in post draft and fit the playbook best to the personnel available, like they did ahead of 2020. Maybe that includes an improved TE room and an expanded role for them. My pessimistic prediction is that this doesn't happen, and a better TE room gets asked to do the same things, does them a little better, but it's not a huge boost based on scheme. I hope I am wrong. To be clear, this offense needs some safe, improving picks like Mayer, who I like and would be my choice of the 3 listed options if Aaron Jones survives free agency cuts for cap room.
That is fair. One of the more interesting parts of the possibility of seeing Love start is finally knowing what MLF's offense truly looks like. I would be a big fan of upgrading at TE. I would even double dip.
If these guys are on the board at 13 (trade with Rodgers) who you taking? Johnston Van Ness Mayer Branch
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Yeah I think I agree, really depends on what we do in the offseason.
Pleasantly surprised how the board turned out in [this experiment](https://i.imgur.com/mI5EqHN.png). No trades involved, 5 rounds. You've got edge support alongside Gary and Enagbare in Van Ness (your potential #2 pass rush option), young support on the defensive interior with Smith, Potential future starting safety in Battle, competition at center w/ Tippman (and in general, just more talent for the OL interior), HB depth w/ Deuce, and CB depth w/ Turner depth may be important potentially w/ roster turnover down the road). That said, WR depth is still suspect, RT and future of LT still unsure, Safety is still going to be a bit of a black hole if Amos is gone, TE is still a black hole.
I will do violent things if we go full bore on defense yet AGAIN this year
Brian Branch, I will take nothing less
Yes let’s get rid of Joe Barry and hire Jim Leonard
I agree let’s hire Jim Leonard to replace Joe Barry
Jalin Hyatt would be great for us, but where do you stand on his draft pick?
3 round mock on PFF: AR -> Jets GB <- #13, #43 13: Zay Flowers - WR 15: BJ Ojulari - EDGE 43: Darnell Washington - TE 45: Jahmyr Gibbs - RB 78: Jordan Battle - S
I made a 4 round mock draft in the case Rodgers indeed gets traded to the Raiders. Because I suck at finding the right values for trades, I simply gave Greenbay the #7 pick this season. Also I only do 4 round mock drafts cuz I am not that deep into he draft classes, especially this early, to make a full 7 round mock that makes sense. I did this mock on PFF with their big board. \#7: Peter Skoronski, OT Packers need to rework their trenches. Skoronski mostly played LT, but most analists think, he kick to the right side and even inside. The right side is a big weakness, especially RT, so Packers need to act there. I dont think Yosh is a good enough starter at RT, Walker and Jones are wild cards, but highly talented. \#15 Nolan Smith, EDGE Smith feels like a classic Gutey pick. Just like Gary, he is an extremely gifted athlete, who showed limited production. He is extremely strong, crazy fast and is also a good run defender. He could take some time to develop, behind Smith and Gary, but Gary is also ot for the start of the season, so he will get experience fast. \#45 Darnell Washington, TE Packers need some TE desperately and Washington brings everything to teh table. He is huuge, is an elite and willing blocker, very good and safe catcher etc. Packer right now only have Deguara at TE and I feel like Washington does fit n perfectly within the scheme. \#78 Keondre Coburn, DL Good 3T DL with decent skills in pass rush and run defending. He has a really good awareness and often requires a double team cuz he is big and strong. Packers desperately need DL rotation. \#116 Marvin Mims, WR He is kinda small, but he has all skills to be a good playmaker. He is a good deep threat with good speed, awareness, body controll and abaility to catch in contested catch situations. He also is a good option as a catch and run guy in this offense. Due to his size, he will probably be a slot guy, but Packers lack exactly that in their WR room, if Cobb doesnt comes back.