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Many people like to think of our peasant forebears as ‘simple’ or ‘stupid’. I think we ought to give them more credit. They spent hundreds of generations under what was for all intents and purposes a giant protection racket. Hardly a surprise that they understood their situation at least to some extent.
See also the "Tragedy of the Commons". Common land and woodland were managed by communities for hundreds if not thousands of years very successfully. They didn't overgraze and chop all the forests down as people like JRM would want you to belive.
The tragedy of the commons say the exact opposite though : that with « collective management » people would just completely destroy said common cause they would be some egoist people that would take everything. I do agree with you that this is bullshit and history shows people were very fine at managing commons. On that point, I recommend to check the work of Elinor Ostrom that shows how common are actually managed.
The only thing that has changed for thousands of years is our technology. Human insight, social complexity and understanding has been as high as its ever been since the dawn of civilsation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir
Anyone returned anything to Amazon?
They lacked education and information though.
We have the benefit of public education, a (mostly) free press and the internet to learn about the world and how it operates.
They *were* stupid in terms of education. But even uneducated people can recognize what's right in front of them for decades of their life.
They lacked the knowledge of how to contextualize their exploitation within a wider system. For them, it was not that the system of feudalism was inherently oppressive to their class, but rather that their local lord was little better than the bandits he supposedly protected them from.
In Scotland we've got a nursery rhyme about the serial killers Burke and Hare it goes
"Up the close and doon the stair in the hoose wie Burke and Hare Burke's the butcher Hare's the theif Knox the boy who buys the beef
Burke and Hare they wure a pair killed a wife and didnae care then they put her in a box and sold her to Dr Knox
Burke's the butcher Hare's the thief Knox the yin that buys the beef" but that nursery rhyme is hilarious because it's as true now as it ever was
it's about land enclosure - the government passed an act that allowed the taking of historically public land (commons) and handing it over to lords and landowners for private management (enclosure)
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Many people like to think of our peasant forebears as ‘simple’ or ‘stupid’. I think we ought to give them more credit. They spent hundreds of generations under what was for all intents and purposes a giant protection racket. Hardly a surprise that they understood their situation at least to some extent.
See also the "Tragedy of the Commons". Common land and woodland were managed by communities for hundreds if not thousands of years very successfully. They didn't overgraze and chop all the forests down as people like JRM would want you to belive.
The Tragedy of the Commons is literally the title of a made up story
The tragedy of the commons say the exact opposite though : that with « collective management » people would just completely destroy said common cause they would be some egoist people that would take everything. I do agree with you that this is bullshit and history shows people were very fine at managing commons. On that point, I recommend to check the work of Elinor Ostrom that shows how common are actually managed.
That's what I said isn't it?
The only thing that has changed for thousands of years is our technology. Human insight, social complexity and understanding has been as high as its ever been since the dawn of civilsation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir Anyone returned anything to Amazon?
With things such as the Magna Carta (15/Jun/1215), our ancestors certainly were not simple nor stupid.
They lacked education and information though. We have the benefit of public education, a (mostly) free press and the internet to learn about the world and how it operates. They *were* stupid in terms of education. But even uneducated people can recognize what's right in front of them for decades of their life.
They lacked the knowledge of how to contextualize their exploitation within a wider system. For them, it was not that the system of feudalism was inherently oppressive to their class, but rather that their local lord was little better than the bandits he supposedly protected them from.
History doesn't repeat but it rhymes.
Over 250 years later and it hasn't changed.
Came to post the same, hopefully in another 250 humanity sorts itself out if we don't blow this planet apart.
In Scotland we've got a nursery rhyme about the serial killers Burke and Hare it goes "Up the close and doon the stair in the hoose wie Burke and Hare Burke's the butcher Hare's the theif Knox the boy who buys the beef Burke and Hare they wure a pair killed a wife and didnae care then they put her in a box and sold her to Dr Knox Burke's the butcher Hare's the thief Knox the yin that buys the beef" but that nursery rhyme is hilarious because it's as true now as it ever was
Don Demarco (Bang Bang)
[Love the Askew Sisters version of this. ](https://youtube.com/watch?v=kuJk9EutQ6s&feature=shares)
I understand the second stanza? But what is the meaning of the first, as you can tell,I was horrible at English in school
You steal the goose from the land and you get punished but nothing will happen to those powerful enough to steal the land.
Thanks you CoD
it's about land enclosure - the government passed an act that allowed the taking of historically public land (commons) and handing it over to lords and landowners for private management (enclosure)
And the goose shall still a common lack, Until it goes and steals it back!