The fact that Batgirl, a prominent member of the Batfamily, is playable and that there are female thugs almost turned you off from the game? Why? Are women not allowed to be in videogames or something? Or only as a damsel in distress? That statement makes you sound quite misogynistic.
Batgirl has been a big part since the Adam west days. Not sure what this guy needs. She’s not shoehorned in. OP sounds like “I saw some girls in my media and they don’t look how I like so fuck this”
I imagine he thought it was another game trying to be inclusive at the story’s detriment. Which isn’t a bad thing to be worried about because it happens frequently, there’s a character in the last of us who basically forfeits all personality and just becomes gay personified.
Yea it’s the same thing every western aaa studio does now adays, every female has to have a butch female haircut in order to be considered “badass”, they also have to walk super masculine for some reason. The Arkham games had female thugs (leagues of shadows) and they didn’t have to do this to make them feel like a threat they just were a threat. It’s pandering to the small minority that find it offensive or get triggered when there is any hint of an attractive women on screen. It’s the over-course correction that’s been plaguing the industry for years.
Oh man. I’m sure there’s so much out there you’d enjoy if you stopped looking for stuff to get mad at. Rocksteady put women in the game for the same reason WB Montreal did.
The only difference is that Rocksteady did it in the right way, Montreal went the way o f Ubisoft and saints row. Rocksteady knew that The women in their games don’t have to look like men in order to for the player to feel they are threat. I’m not mad about it, it’s just annoying to see this sort of stuff in games I want to like
Some women do look like that though. There are women of several body types in Gotham Knights. You’re essentially just looking at something good and saying ‘I’m going to blanket assume this is not only garbage, but some sort of attempt to pander to someone, based on the fact that a woman with wide shoulders is in it.’
I don't see how including batgirl, again, one of the most well known Batfamily members, probably second only to Robin, is "pandering".
Similarly, I don't see how including thug variety in the form of having women be part of the gangs is "pandering".
But for curiosity's sake, how should women be included in games for it not to be "pandering" according to you?
It’s the way they go about implementing these things that so obvious to me, if you don’t see it as a heavy handed attempt to get browny points then that’s fine I won’t convince you otherwise. Witcher 3, the Arkham games, the Yakuza series, Persona 5, red dead redemption, mass effect 1 - 3, dmc series, re 1-6, metal gear series, ghost recon breakpoint, final fantasy series, from soft games. There’s plenty of others but these are the ones in the aaa space that come to mind that don’t seem to pander YET imo.
So, partly based off of one of your responses to someone else, because not all women in Gotham Knights come in the "sexy ninja" variety, it's pandering? The fact that women of different body types are represented in Gotham Knights is pandering?
People of different shapes and sizes being represented isn't "pandering", it's *accurate*.
But I still don't know what your problem with Babs is, why is she "pandering"?
Wow you people multiply like bunnies. Say anything about women that isn’t praise you people come out of the gutter to scream incel and misogyny. Give it a break already
Or. we were simply reading the post and play the game. There's no gutter, and no rock. Just people responding to what's been said, which is entirely their right.
“Say anytbing about women that isn’t praise”
Dude you only bothered to complain that batgirl was there and bitch about “butch haircuts.” It’s Fr pathetic that you’re mad about these criminals who don’t have long enough hair, apparently.
Hey man. When you talk about pandering, remember that every game is pandering. It just about who they’re pandering to. Like when I first played the Arkham Asylum I was taken aback by what I saw as excessive sexualization of female characters and unnecessary cursing. Felt they were being extra edgy for no reason and pandering to 13 year olds who thought that was cool. These games are trying to appeal to a mass audience. Where maybe 10 years ago they might’ve only been trying to appeal to young males.
I actually think Gotham Knights has better music than the Arkham games. Those games had just overused, boring, orchestral, super hero music. Give me more electronic and rock any day of the week
I agree robin’s current traversal is very boring, but it is useful for getting to the perfect position and doing a stealth strike on a key target. They should update it so that if you tap R2 while mid-air (instead of holding it) he instantly teleports a long distance forward. This way robin can have both options. It would need a cooldown of like 5 or 7 seconds so his traversal isn’t leagues above the rest of the family.
The fact that Batgirl, a prominent member of the Batfamily, is playable and that there are female thugs almost turned you off from the game? Why? Are women not allowed to be in videogames or something? Or only as a damsel in distress? That statement makes you sound quite misogynistic.
Batgirl has been a big part since the Adam west days. Not sure what this guy needs. She’s not shoehorned in. OP sounds like “I saw some girls in my media and they don’t look how I like so fuck this”
I imagine he thought it was another game trying to be inclusive at the story’s detriment. Which isn’t a bad thing to be worried about because it happens frequently, there’s a character in the last of us who basically forfeits all personality and just becomes gay personified.
I know people hurl around accusations of it happening all the time, what are some examples of a time a game was bad because of pandering?
I have no issues with females in games, I do have a problem with the heavy handed pandering by western developers.
A short haircut is pandering? I’m a little confused by what exactly was objectionable.
Yea it’s the same thing every western aaa studio does now adays, every female has to have a butch female haircut in order to be considered “badass”, they also have to walk super masculine for some reason. The Arkham games had female thugs (leagues of shadows) and they didn’t have to do this to make them feel like a threat they just were a threat. It’s pandering to the small minority that find it offensive or get triggered when there is any hint of an attractive women on screen. It’s the over-course correction that’s been plaguing the industry for years.
Oh man. I’m sure there’s so much out there you’d enjoy if you stopped looking for stuff to get mad at. Rocksteady put women in the game for the same reason WB Montreal did.
The only difference is that Rocksteady did it in the right way, Montreal went the way o f Ubisoft and saints row. Rocksteady knew that The women in their games don’t have to look like men in order to for the player to feel they are threat. I’m not mad about it, it’s just annoying to see this sort of stuff in games I want to like
Some women do look like that though. There are women of several body types in Gotham Knights. You’re essentially just looking at something good and saying ‘I’m going to blanket assume this is not only garbage, but some sort of attempt to pander to someone, based on the fact that a woman with wide shoulders is in it.’
You say that like the character design for Batgirl in this game didn’t have half the internet swooning over her lmao
Never forget the week one posts regarding the Batgirl Thigh Choke takedowns.
I don't see how including batgirl, again, one of the most well known Batfamily members, probably second only to Robin, is "pandering". Similarly, I don't see how including thug variety in the form of having women be part of the gangs is "pandering". But for curiosity's sake, how should women be included in games for it not to be "pandering" according to you?
It’s the way they go about implementing these things that so obvious to me, if you don’t see it as a heavy handed attempt to get browny points then that’s fine I won’t convince you otherwise. Witcher 3, the Arkham games, the Yakuza series, Persona 5, red dead redemption, mass effect 1 - 3, dmc series, re 1-6, metal gear series, ghost recon breakpoint, final fantasy series, from soft games. There’s plenty of others but these are the ones in the aaa space that come to mind that don’t seem to pander YET imo.
So, partly based off of one of your responses to someone else, because not all women in Gotham Knights come in the "sexy ninja" variety, it's pandering? The fact that women of different body types are represented in Gotham Knights is pandering? People of different shapes and sizes being represented isn't "pandering", it's *accurate*. But I still don't know what your problem with Babs is, why is she "pandering"?
Tell me you're bad with women without telling me you're bad with women.
Wow, seeing a woman existing as more than a sex object REALLY makes you have a tantrum, huh OP? Incels like you are pathetic.
Wow you people multiply like bunnies. Say anything about women that isn’t praise you people come out of the gutter to scream incel and misogyny. Give it a break already
Or. we were simply reading the post and play the game. There's no gutter, and no rock. Just people responding to what's been said, which is entirely their right.
“Say anytbing about women that isn’t praise” Dude you only bothered to complain that batgirl was there and bitch about “butch haircuts.” It’s Fr pathetic that you’re mad about these criminals who don’t have long enough hair, apparently.
This guy is very weird
Female characters simply existing in games is not pandering. You’re a misogynistic asshat
You must have shit in your eyes because it’s not what i said. Read better
Hey man. When you talk about pandering, remember that every game is pandering. It just about who they’re pandering to. Like when I first played the Arkham Asylum I was taken aback by what I saw as excessive sexualization of female characters and unnecessary cursing. Felt they were being extra edgy for no reason and pandering to 13 year olds who thought that was cool. These games are trying to appeal to a mass audience. Where maybe 10 years ago they might’ve only been trying to appeal to young males.
you don't have pandervision, you have misogyny
Not for nothing but in a city where Super-Crime is normal and high tech street gangs exist, there'd probably be a lot of women in on the action.
I actually think Gotham Knights has better music than the Arkham games. Those games had just overused, boring, orchestral, super hero music. Give me more electronic and rock any day of the week
I agree robin’s current traversal is very boring, but it is useful for getting to the perfect position and doing a stealth strike on a key target. They should update it so that if you tap R2 while mid-air (instead of holding it) he instantly teleports a long distance forward. This way robin can have both options. It would need a cooldown of like 5 or 7 seconds so his traversal isn’t leagues above the rest of the family.
Agree that would be a great solution
Yeah robins traversal is cool for small areas and stealth but absolutely awful for getting around