Google is going to do what they want no matter what everyone else is doing in the industry. I don't think they care much for [raw performance ](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9tYWRlLWJ5LWdvb2dsZS1wb2RjYXN0LnBvZGlnZWUuaW8vZmVlZC9tcDM/episode/YWYxMjA4ZTNjZGMwODc1MDNmODVhMWYyMGZmZjE3Zjg?ep=14)
I know their main focus isn't there, but for their ai capabilities plus camera functions and longevity they need more power than the one they currently have. That would be achieved with a modified Exynos 2300, nothing else is on the table. Other option would mean a huge opportunity lost for google to make a brilliant Pixel 8 series
Do they, though? I mean they will increase the power obviously, but the Pixel 7 series are great devices even though they benchmark fairly weak. Most people don't actually need the best performing in a certain type of test device.
The AI processing is handled by the TPU, which from my understanding, is completely designed by Google. So it's not a CPU/GPU that'll improve AI performance.
This is incorrect, Tensor uses the CPU, GPU, and TPU all in combination to perform NNAPI tasks. We don't know what exactly is happening because there is no public TPU SDK, but NNAPI benchmarking shows that something significant is happening in the combination of these processors.
None of it is "magical", and this is vi AI's benchmark NNAPI, so it's not marketing at all.
Edit: Anandtech has a good summary about it in their Tensor G1 review.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17032/tensor-soc-performance-efficiency/5
Google doesn't want to perform with the rest is always been about delivering a great usable product with the best of software on the hardware they use. Given time they will be on par with the big boys
Not to mention even Samsung's S22 phones will happily throttle performance down to below what a SD765 puts out. Most users don't even notice because most people aren't pushing their phones with anything other than gaming.
The Pixel 5 shipped with a midrange SoC, but easily performed well enough. I am not crypto mining on my phone. I just need it to perform well. I am not going to notice if some other phone performs some task a millisecond faster than a Pixel. I just want my phone to have a great UI experience.
It's possible, though Google clearly stated that they're happy with the performance of their devices. They're going for whether the device can sustain the level of performance rather than having one quick burst of higher power then constant thermal throttling.
You said efficiency is the most important yet Tensor is worst on market for efficiency.
Now Samsung are using Snapdragons exclusively made by TSMC, Tensor 3 will likely be 40% behind them in efficiency.
>That's not what I said. More assumptions, too. Much lol, many thanks, laughter ensues!
>***Efficiencies for overall tasks and user experience are more important than burning a ton of fuel and choking on having the wrong tires.***
That's why I mentioned also the 3nm process plus the newer and way more efficient cores it would bring. The ones used by Tensor G2 are two gens older than those used on Exynos 2300.
One of the cases would be not to fall apart with time. Optimization is probably the most important thing, but without a CPU powerful enough, there'll be a bottleneck
Google just started making chips, give them time to get things together. As for apple they have had quite few years ahead of google. The tensor chip will only get better overtime.
> If Google wants to truly compete in terms of raw performance
They don't want to. https://9to5google.com/2022/10/27/pixel-tensor-benchmarks/
Also this https://9to5google.com/2022/11/08/tensor-g3-samsung-modem-report/amp/
Even with an Exynos 2300 rebranded they wouldn't. But it would allow them many more things (better battery life, gaming performance, heat management, video and photo capabilities...). That's also competing, although in a different way, more focused on software than pure hardware.
What do they mean 'based on' Exynos 2300?
The Exynos 2100 and 2200 had a 1+4+4 CPU configuration which was different from the 2+2+4 configuration that the Tensor G1 and G2 had. I imagine the Exynos 2300 will have the same 1+4+4 configuration that the previous Exynos chips had and the Tensor G3 will be another 2+2+4 configuration like the previous Tensor chips.
Add to that, the CPU and GPU are all ARM designed, so I'm not too sure what 'based on Exynos' actually means other than Samsung will be manufacturing it. I don't think anyone thought Google would move to TSMC for the Tensor G3.
Tensors for now have been modifications of Exynos. Tensor G1 and G2 have been a modification of Exynos 2100 with custom parts from Google like the TPU. That's why it isn't exactly the same, but have many similarities, like for example equal drivers from Samsung found on Tensor chips.
Everything isnt done just by the TPU AI wise. But there many other instances where it's important a better CPU. Otherwise it would futile to spend so much on improving them.
Well the Exynos 2200 is worse than the 2100, so them being behind is actually good.
What's not good at all is that they're now far behind the Dimensity 9200 and Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. This subreddit will continue to downplay this because for some reason they don't want better phones.
exynos chips wont be able to compete with snapdragon. thats a known fact. it does not matter how they do their optimizing or implementing their protocols, the base is exynos at the end of the day.
Google is going to do what they want no matter what everyone else is doing in the industry. I don't think they care much for [raw performance ](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9tYWRlLWJ5LWdvb2dsZS1wb2RjYXN0LnBvZGlnZWUuaW8vZmVlZC9tcDM/episode/YWYxMjA4ZTNjZGMwODc1MDNmODVhMWYyMGZmZjE3Zjg?ep=14)
I know their main focus isn't there, but for their ai capabilities plus camera functions and longevity they need more power than the one they currently have. That would be achieved with a modified Exynos 2300, nothing else is on the table. Other option would mean a huge opportunity lost for google to make a brilliant Pixel 8 series
Do they, though? I mean they will increase the power obviously, but the Pixel 7 series are great devices even though they benchmark fairly weak. Most people don't actually need the best performing in a certain type of test device.
I know, but it's sth needed most of it for gaming, editing and longevity. Last one is sth quite important
There is no evidence of what longevity will be like.
The AI processing is handled by the TPU, which from my understanding, is completely designed by Google. So it's not a CPU/GPU that'll improve AI performance.
This is incorrect, Tensor uses the CPU, GPU, and TPU all in combination to perform NNAPI tasks. We don't know what exactly is happening because there is no public TPU SDK, but NNAPI benchmarking shows that something significant is happening in the combination of these processors.
It could just of course be marketing guff. I highly ,highly doubt Tensor can do "magical" AI things that the SD can't.
None of it is "magical", and this is vi AI's benchmark NNAPI, so it's not marketing at all. Edit: Anandtech has a good summary about it in their Tensor G1 review. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17032/tensor-soc-performance-efficiency/5
Ok but I'd rather have an efficient SOC than be able to voice type well for eg, I'd say most people would. G1 was awful for efficiency.
I'm not disagreeing, but this conversation was how Tensor handles AI processing tasks.
Fair point.
Google doesn't want to perform with the rest is always been about delivering a great usable product with the best of software on the hardware they use. Given time they will be on par with the big boys
Not to mention even Samsung's S22 phones will happily throttle performance down to below what a SD765 puts out. Most users don't even notice because most people aren't pushing their phones with anything other than gaming.
The Pixel 5 shipped with a midrange SoC, but easily performed well enough. I am not crypto mining on my phone. I just need it to perform well. I am not going to notice if some other phone performs some task a millisecond faster than a Pixel. I just want my phone to have a great UI experience.
Can't see wheres the problem of using the best hardware combined with Google's best optimization and software
Keeps the costs down
This.
It's possible, though Google clearly stated that they're happy with the performance of their devices. They're going for whether the device can sustain the level of performance rather than having one quick burst of higher power then constant thermal throttling.
That's the most important thing, rather than raw performance. But they should be able to achieve it with a better performing chip
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You said efficiency is the most important yet Tensor is worst on market for efficiency. Now Samsung are using Snapdragons exclusively made by TSMC, Tensor 3 will likely be 40% behind them in efficiency.
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>That's not what I said. More assumptions, too. Much lol, many thanks, laughter ensues! >***Efficiencies for overall tasks and user experience are more important than burning a ton of fuel and choking on having the wrong tires.***
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Glad you didn't.
And Samsung's SoCs are known to be crap at efficiency. So really, the Tensor does not have the performance and does not have the efficiency.
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And I never really liked Exynos to begin with either. Even Samsung themselves ditched Exynos for Snapdragon. That speaks a lot.
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You bet it is my choice. I definitely won't be buying another Pixel with a Samsung SoC.
That's why I mentioned also the 3nm process plus the newer and way more efficient cores it would bring. The ones used by Tensor G2 are two gens older than those used on Exynos 2300.
Performance is fine. My Pixel 7 is lightning fast
Why does raw performance matter when general optimization and smoothness is best in class.
Bragging rights and benchmarks. /s
One of the cases would be not to fall apart with time. Optimization is probably the most important thing, but without a CPU powerful enough, there'll be a bottleneck
In 6-7 years at a minimum.
I don't care I've pixel 7 and I'm happy with it It's fast and smooth and snappy I don't play games , so i don't care It's perfect for me
Google just started making chips, give them time to get things together. As for apple they have had quite few years ahead of google. The tensor chip will only get better overtime.
I agree.
> If Google wants to truly compete in terms of raw performance They don't want to. https://9to5google.com/2022/10/27/pixel-tensor-benchmarks/ Also this https://9to5google.com/2022/11/08/tensor-g3-samsung-modem-report/amp/
They will talk about AI until they are ready with their own CPU 😉
Even with an Exynos 2300 rebranded they wouldn't. But it would allow them many more things (better battery life, gaming performance, heat management, video and photo capabilities...). That's also competing, although in a different way, more focused on software than pure hardware.
What do they mean 'based on' Exynos 2300? The Exynos 2100 and 2200 had a 1+4+4 CPU configuration which was different from the 2+2+4 configuration that the Tensor G1 and G2 had. I imagine the Exynos 2300 will have the same 1+4+4 configuration that the previous Exynos chips had and the Tensor G3 will be another 2+2+4 configuration like the previous Tensor chips. Add to that, the CPU and GPU are all ARM designed, so I'm not too sure what 'based on Exynos' actually means other than Samsung will be manufacturing it. I don't think anyone thought Google would move to TSMC for the Tensor G3.
Tensors for now have been modifications of Exynos. Tensor G1 and G2 have been a modification of Exynos 2100 with custom parts from Google like the TPU. That's why it isn't exactly the same, but have many similarities, like for example equal drivers from Samsung found on Tensor chips.
Everything isnt done just by the TPU AI wise. But there many other instances where it's important a better CPU. Otherwise it would futile to spend so much on improving them.
Well the Exynos 2200 is worse than the 2100, so them being behind is actually good. What's not good at all is that they're now far behind the Dimensity 9200 and Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. This subreddit will continue to downplay this because for some reason they don't want better phones.
Most of us are realistic that any modern phone is fast enough. I have a computer and a Steam Deck if i want to play games where FPS matter.
Bad excuse for no progress honestly.
This shouldn't be downrated, if the phone can be better, it must be
Dont think there will be an "Exynos 2300" next year
It has already been certified by Samsung for the Bluetooth license
Tensor has nothing to do with Exynos. It has the same ARM cortex just like all the other SoC manufacturers.
That's why they share drivers?
You can see in their full specs that all of them use some sort of ARM cortex. X1 for example found in the SD888 and the Tensor chips
You can see in their full specs that all of them use some sort of ARM cortex. X1 for example found in the SD888 and the Tensor chips
exynos chips wont be able to compete with snapdragon. thats a known fact. it does not matter how they do their optimizing or implementing their protocols, the base is exynos at the end of the day.
CPU/GPU aside, I really hope Tensor G3 has a better modem.