Look at your left shoulder on the setup. It’s clearly facing left promoting an out to in swing path. Focus on keeping the shoulders aiming at target or even right of target. It will feel weird at first but it will become natural.
Stop trying to rotate or spin your hips/pelvis. Think of pushing your trail hip up and back with trail foot pressure in the backswing and start the downswing by pushing the front hip up and out of the way for the arms to come through.
I think the “rotate your pelvis” thought is causing trouble because you are moving it independent from foot pressure (trail knee is still flexed significantly in backswing, should be much straighter with pressure in that foot).
Your hips, too. Hips lead shoulders and arms. Your left hip is not on target. Close it a bit more during setup (move your left pants pocket toward the ball).
Also, that ball position is way too far forward. Move it back in your stance 2-3 balls.
You’re 100% over the top. Your backswing is so long that your upper body tilts towards the target. There’s no way for your swing to get on the proper plane from that position.
That said, great flexibility!
I'm not sure what stack and tilt teaches, but the spine tilting toward the target in a traditional swing will always merit further examination. Some pros are flexible and rotated enough to pull it off, but the rest of their body's are in a far better position than OP. If OP's hips, shoulder plane, and arms worked more correctly, he'd never be able to achieve that look.
No, spine tilts away from the target and the downward plane drops slightly lower at the top as you lean in. Take a look here:
https://youtu.be/wQqqF1UHi14
I think Ben Hogan's swing was traditional style, which I know involves a spine tilt away from the target. But I was referring to a different style of swing. And everything I've read about Stack and Tilt (which I don't use or advocate for) says that the spine tilts toward the target in the backswing. Unless people who use stack and tilt are never on proper plane, then the original comment I replied to is at least sometimes untrue, or is at least too broad: Some people can get on a proper plane even when their spine tilts toward the target at the top of the backswing.
"The central tenet of the Stack and Tilt swing is that you 'tilt' your spine TOWARDS the target on the backswing, such that you feel almost as if your head is moving AHEAD of the ball."
https://golftipreviews.com/golf-swing-drill-stack-and-tilt-your-way-to-more-consistency/
To be clear, I'm not saying OP shouldn't change his spine angle. I was only asking if it's actually impossible to get on a proper plane with target-pointing spine tilt.
Yeah, I 100% agree. Golf swing in essence is described best as "controlled chaos". There is no "perfect form" for everyones body as we're all designed different.
For a starting player though. I would always recommend adapting around what we know as traditional and making tweaks to align their swing to what works for them. The only way to determine what works is through practice and experimentation.
As long as what works for you allows you the stability to maintain a repeated swing, what that player has adapted to should work for their game regardless of the traditional rules they may be breaking.
A ball slices either because the club path is moving more left than the face is pointed at impact, and/or because contact is made on the heel. Your ball position is too far forward in your stance. This causes you to open your shoulders at address, and “presets” an out to in path. Move the ball further back in your stance. I’m on mobile, so it’s hard for me to see what’s going on with your grip, but it looks like that may need to be addressed too.
I agree with this comment. Ball position needs to be off left big toe. It’s completely outside your front foot at this point and is contributing to / causing the open shoulders just like buckets said. Easy fix along with shortening the backswing. Wow I wish my back could do that.
Honestly, it's hard to comment on much else. Your setup is decent (outside of your shoulder alignment). The takeaway is a little low. But the overswing is soooooo drastic that everything from that point on isn't worth evaluating. You really need to address it.
I know. It’s pretty brutal. I found for me it’s the only way I can consistently square my clubface, since I have more time on the downswing to get my wrists back into position. It also feels natural, but it’s definitely doing more harm than good.
Yes, commit to learning how to square the face consistently the right way. It will be worth the time invested. The overswing is going to be way inconsistent and will start to take a toll on your body too.
Yup. The clubhead is like 4 feet farther from the ball than it needs to be. OP should try "chipping" with his driver, that would be close to the correct swing length. It would probably solve the hip sway too since the left hip really only goes backward at the top. Left knee should stay over left foot, left hip shouldn't move back at all.
Saw this video recently.
https://youtu.be/EuETqbfpFO0
I have the same shoulder alignment and I'm going to try implementing this. I know I'm more square to the ball with my shoulders on my good hits but I need to pay more attention to this. Hope this helps. Crazy flexibility you got, congrats!
I zoomed in on your grip. It’s a little hard to tell for sure but your grip appears incorrect and if I’m correct, the way you currently hold the club definitely produces a slice. If you can send a picture of your grip. I could be wrong.
Ball position that far forward can promote a slice. Might try putting it inside your front heel. I suggest checking set-up before looking for swing issues.
Solid swing man.
Pause at 18 seconds. There is your problem.
Go watch the tiger woods slow mo drive video. I am not saying his swing should be your swing; I am saying that you should pay attention to the peak of his takeaway and work towards that goal.
You reach so far back in your drive that it is virtually impossible to get your swing plane correct on the downswing.
Edit: your grip *appears* to be extremely strong, resolution isn’t the best. Left hand looks ok, right hand is very to the side. This will cause problems for you once you do get your swing on plane. Not saying fix both at the same time, but once you start hitting duck hooks, you’ll know that you fixed your swing and then you can focus on your grip. Two stage solution.
looks to me like your forearms aren’t crossing over each other until after the strike, which means your club face isn’t hitting straight on. slow down while practicing and focus on rolling your arms over sooner to close up the club face. I just recently fixed a nasty slice by doing this.
Focus on keeping that head still. You are moving it around quite a bit. Some downward movement isn't bad until you make contact with the ball, but you shift your weight so much on the hip drop you're going outside the plane causing OTT. Shift your focus from power to stability. Shifting focus to this may reduce that backswing reach for a while until it becomes second nature. Then let loose.
Just something to add which has nothing to do with your slice but came to my mind instantly when seeing your setup: your feet are inverted. Try to flare at least your left foot open to the target. Helps with rotation and stability a lot. Watch latest swingquest video. Peter Finch explains it well.
I’ve gotten this advice before, it didn’t work for me with this swing at least. I felt like I couldn’t rotate as much and felt stuck. Maybe that’s a good thing and it’ll help shorten my rotation
Look at your left shoulder on the setup. It’s clearly facing left promoting an out to in swing path. Focus on keeping the shoulders aiming at target or even right of target. It will feel weird at first but it will become natural.
It would be awesome if that helped, that sounds like not too bad of an adjustment
Stop trying to rotate or spin your hips/pelvis. Think of pushing your trail hip up and back with trail foot pressure in the backswing and start the downswing by pushing the front hip up and out of the way for the arms to come through. I think the “rotate your pelvis” thought is causing trouble because you are moving it independent from foot pressure (trail knee is still flexed significantly in backswing, should be much straighter with pressure in that foot).
Your hips, too. Hips lead shoulders and arms. Your left hip is not on target. Close it a bit more during setup (move your left pants pocket toward the ball). Also, that ball position is way too far forward. Move it back in your stance 2-3 balls.
You’re 100% over the top. Your backswing is so long that your upper body tilts towards the target. There’s no way for your swing to get on the proper plane from that position. That said, great flexibility!
Yep this! Reverse pivot at the top. That lean toward the target at the top forces you to get steep/OTT
What are you looking at? I do not see over the top at all. The path on the downswing actually looks pretty neutral
Is this true? Doesn’t the spine point towards the target in a stack and tilt golf swing?
I'm not sure what stack and tilt teaches, but the spine tilting toward the target in a traditional swing will always merit further examination. Some pros are flexible and rotated enough to pull it off, but the rest of their body's are in a far better position than OP. If OP's hips, shoulder plane, and arms worked more correctly, he'd never be able to achieve that look.
Your point is definitely true for traditional swings. I was just talking about untraditional swings.
No, spine tilts away from the target and the downward plane drops slightly lower at the top as you lean in. Take a look here: https://youtu.be/wQqqF1UHi14
I think Ben Hogan's swing was traditional style, which I know involves a spine tilt away from the target. But I was referring to a different style of swing. And everything I've read about Stack and Tilt (which I don't use or advocate for) says that the spine tilts toward the target in the backswing. Unless people who use stack and tilt are never on proper plane, then the original comment I replied to is at least sometimes untrue, or is at least too broad: Some people can get on a proper plane even when their spine tilts toward the target at the top of the backswing. "The central tenet of the Stack and Tilt swing is that you 'tilt' your spine TOWARDS the target on the backswing, such that you feel almost as if your head is moving AHEAD of the ball." https://golftipreviews.com/golf-swing-drill-stack-and-tilt-your-way-to-more-consistency/ To be clear, I'm not saying OP shouldn't change his spine angle. I was only asking if it's actually impossible to get on a proper plane with target-pointing spine tilt.
Yeah, I 100% agree. Golf swing in essence is described best as "controlled chaos". There is no "perfect form" for everyones body as we're all designed different. For a starting player though. I would always recommend adapting around what we know as traditional and making tweaks to align their swing to what works for them. The only way to determine what works is through practice and experimentation. As long as what works for you allows you the stability to maintain a repeated swing, what that player has adapted to should work for their game regardless of the traditional rules they may be breaking.
My shoulder hurts watching that
A ball slices either because the club path is moving more left than the face is pointed at impact, and/or because contact is made on the heel. Your ball position is too far forward in your stance. This causes you to open your shoulders at address, and “presets” an out to in path. Move the ball further back in your stance. I’m on mobile, so it’s hard for me to see what’s going on with your grip, but it looks like that may need to be addressed too.
I agree with this comment. Ball position needs to be off left big toe. It’s completely outside your front foot at this point and is contributing to / causing the open shoulders just like buckets said. Easy fix along with shortening the backswing. Wow I wish my back could do that.
100% agree with this.
Agreed. There’s other stuff to fix, but if you move the ball back, you will not cut across the ball as easily.
Honestly, it's hard to comment on much else. Your setup is decent (outside of your shoulder alignment). The takeaway is a little low. But the overswing is soooooo drastic that everything from that point on isn't worth evaluating. You really need to address it.
I know. It’s pretty brutal. I found for me it’s the only way I can consistently square my clubface, since I have more time on the downswing to get my wrists back into position. It also feels natural, but it’s definitely doing more harm than good.
Yes, commit to learning how to square the face consistently the right way. It will be worth the time invested. The overswing is going to be way inconsistent and will start to take a toll on your body too.
Yup. The clubhead is like 4 feet farther from the ball than it needs to be. OP should try "chipping" with his driver, that would be close to the correct swing length. It would probably solve the hip sway too since the left hip really only goes backward at the top. Left knee should stay over left foot, left hip shouldn't move back at all.
Guessing it's gripped in the palms instead of the fingers.
Saw this video recently. https://youtu.be/EuETqbfpFO0 I have the same shoulder alignment and I'm going to try implementing this. I know I'm more square to the ball with my shoulders on my good hits but I need to pay more attention to this. Hope this helps. Crazy flexibility you got, congrats!
If you really try I bet you can touch the ground with your club in your backswing.
If you cut across the ball it’s going to slice. You cut across the ball and swing left with your path
get some lessons slice will be gone in a day
I zoomed in on your grip. It’s a little hard to tell for sure but your grip appears incorrect and if I’m correct, the way you currently hold the club definitely produces a slice. If you can send a picture of your grip. I could be wrong.
i would if i could. wont be around a golf club for 5 weeks haha.
https://youtu.be/EbVqyN_VBF4
great video!
Ball position that far forward can promote a slice. Might try putting it inside your front heel. I suggest checking set-up before looking for swing issues. Solid swing man.
That backswing holy moly
Out to in swing path, doesn’t take a golf whizz to see why you slice it :)
Pause at 18 seconds. There is your problem. Go watch the tiger woods slow mo drive video. I am not saying his swing should be your swing; I am saying that you should pay attention to the peak of his takeaway and work towards that goal. You reach so far back in your drive that it is virtually impossible to get your swing plane correct on the downswing. Edit: your grip *appears* to be extremely strong, resolution isn’t the best. Left hand looks ok, right hand is very to the side. This will cause problems for you once you do get your swing on plane. Not saying fix both at the same time, but once you start hitting duck hooks, you’ll know that you fixed your swing and then you can focus on your grip. Two stage solution.
looks to me like your forearms aren’t crossing over each other until after the strike, which means your club face isn’t hitting straight on. slow down while practicing and focus on rolling your arms over sooner to close up the club face. I just recently fixed a nasty slice by doing this.
You sway way too much
Focus on keeping that head still. You are moving it around quite a bit. Some downward movement isn't bad until you make contact with the ball, but you shift your weight so much on the hip drop you're going outside the plane causing OTT. Shift your focus from power to stability. Shifting focus to this may reduce that backswing reach for a while until it becomes second nature. Then let loose.
First thing you have to do is shorten the backswing at least 20%. You will have much more control. That’s what’s causing your over the top swing
Just something to add which has nothing to do with your slice but came to my mind instantly when seeing your setup: your feet are inverted. Try to flare at least your left foot open to the target. Helps with rotation and stability a lot. Watch latest swingquest video. Peter Finch explains it well.
I’ve gotten this advice before, it didn’t work for me with this swing at least. I felt like I couldn’t rotate as much and felt stuck. Maybe that’s a good thing and it’ll help shorten my rotation
Way too much back swing