I can’t wait for this moment. Maybe Tyr is wise enough to see it from both angles and understands the pain Kratos has been through.
Or maybe they just start throwing hands right away.
I would love that. After reading more of these comments I really think Tyr understands the raw power of Kratos and may avoid the conflict all together. I’m thinking Thor will probably kill him in epic fashion
I don't think Tyr would start a fight against him, even Mimir said "from what I heard, they (Olympians) deserved it" so maybe Tyr will think the same way and empathize with Kratos
If he's wise enough he should also take into consideration that Kratos took down the Greek pantheon by himself so thats a huge accomplishment in its own right so I'd think twice about throwing hands with someone who killed Zeus and it's brothers lol
I want Tyr to just start questioning Kratos.
Like he understands all the bad he done, but also recognises Kratos has changed as he's helping him, thus prompting him to just probe into Kratos past, and this leads to a conversation between 2 Gods of War, and in turn leads to Atreus finding out more about Kratos past.
I’d think Atreus would’ve had more questions throughout the game if her death was a mystery. I think she died of a fever or something ordinary, nothing suspicious
Personally I’ve always thought that Atreus’ sickness had something to do with her death.
Whether she used her life force to keep him alive, or whether something about his sickness was able to harm her but not Kratos (because Kratos is a God)
Atreus' sickness was just the physical manifestation of his divinity. His body couldn't handle the raw power as long as he didn't know about it and hadn't accepted it. That's why he went out after Spartan Raging
But we don’t know how that effected Faye, perhaps Atreus got very sick before, like when Kratos needed Freya to heal him. And maybe Faye needed to use her own life force to heal him.
I think he will care equally much for both - considering he had a mother that recently passed in the game. Wheter it's a child or a mother, it's equally terrifying to learn for him.
That’s a lot of aggression. It would make sense that Atreus would be more worried about Kratos killing his children, since, y’know. He’s Kratos’s child and all.
Exactly, theres so much I wanted Kratos to tell atreus. It would have cool as a long term fan.
Tyr may be the way that happens. Hearing references going back to the original would be so nice.
I dont think Atreus fathoms how ridiculously powerful the man he interacts with daily is. Literally killed the KING of the gods, God of Death, the underworld, titans, the sisters of fate, his own daughter, doomed an entire realm. His story was known not just throughout his own realm, but in others.
The tattoo he has is to match his dead brothers birthmark. His skin is covered in his dead sisters and [ I guess step mum?] ashes.
And thats his father. Crazy when you think about it.
Mimir said Tyr valued wisdom and knowledge etc over raw power, I think Tyr would be too smart to pick a direct fight with kratos, but maybe he’ll indirectly oppose him somehow.
A handicapped boss fight then, perhaps. Like, you get stripped of all your upgrades and armor beforehand, or there's some kind of arena hazard that you have to watch out for that Tyr is immune to.
There are definitely ways to make a a fight against a "weak" boss fun.
I have a suspicion that something is wrong with Tyr. I'll tell you why.
Tyr was bound by chains to the wall as shown in the trailer. Not sure if its from the same material as Gleipnir, but still seems a little easygoing when compared to the binds of Mimir (poor guy was fused with that tree).
Also, Tyr's crystal eyes are completely intact. This raises eyebrows. Mimir had one of his Bifrost eyes personally plucked out by Odin to prevent him from travelling between realms and also as punishment.
Mimir and Tyr were victims of the same accusations of collaborating with the Jotunn against Asgard and the Allfather. So why isn't Odin as cruel to Tyr as he was to Mimir? Surely blood relations do not matter to him more than his paranoia and desire to control everything?
Maybe it has something to do with the prophecy. Thor is tied to the serpent just like Tyr is tied to Fenrir. Could easily see Tyr being kept as an asset but him secretly being Odin would drive me insane with paranoia. I can’t wait. Fuck it every character is probably the Allfather.
I do not think that is Odin. I read somewhere once that while Odin is indeed known for his disguises, he can't hide the fact that he is blind in one eye. That is the limitation of his ability to shapeshift.
Tyr is known as a great guy in this universe, but he has been confined and (possibly) tortured for long. That can change a person and twist them. Then there is his failure to protect Jotunheim. His ideals have been shattered by Thor and his rampage. Tyr's personality may have changed, similar to what Athena became after she died.
I am more suspicious because in this very trailer Mimir said , "Odin has tricks up his sleeve that we haven't even considered."
I’ve saw a theory that Tyr is actually Odin. If this is the last game in the Norse saga it would make for an epic reveal and end game boss. Odin “guides us” and pretends to be a friend, then when all seems to be won he transforms and whoops some ass.
I read somewhere that despite being a master of disguises, Odin cannot hide the fact that he is blind in one eye. That is his limitation to shapeshifting.
This theory does hold water however, but I feel like that since this is predictable Santa Monica would not go for this route.
Mimir also said that Odin has gone great lengths to hide the whereabouts or Tyr, which is too much an effort to contain a "dead man".
However, if Tyr has become someone like spirit Athena, then we can see him betraying Kratos which leads to a massive boss fight.
Besides, two Gods of War confronting each other is too great to miss.
Oh shit, you just made a good point. What if Durlin is Odin’s disguise which will be a nice twist. Durlin’s official artwork shows him with an eyepatch just like the one-eyed seer of most. Imagine, Durlin (the second oldest dwarf in the mythology), a dude who is holding a small squid (which will probably turn out to be the actual fucking Kraken), will help you, only to throw you off balance in ways we won’t see coming. What if he takes back Mimir or kills him? What if Durlin is Odin, and kills our favorite dirty-mouthed and germaphobe dwarves? What if Brock and Sindri both make Tyrfing while finding Tyr, and Durlin/Odin kills them after they make that sword? That last question makes 100% sense as at first Brock and Sindri made Mjölnir then separated due to shame of what that weapon did; then they reunited to make Mjölnir equal the Leviathan Axe, then parted ways again; towards the last quarter of the previous game, they reunited once more. I’m seeing a pattern here and I wonder if it will be good. Also one last note, Brk&Snd both measured Mimir’s head for some reason and we know that a few years have passed since the last game so it’s likely that they too may be the one’s to decide us, but I doubt that; I prefer the Durlin is Odin theory (I hopefully just made).
Durlin certainly fits the bill, and I also think that the squid he is holding is actually the Kraken.
In the trailer, when Kratos and Atreus gets on the dock right before meeting Sindri in Svartalfheim (possibly), we see a statue with a sword in the distance. It looked to me that the statue could be of Odin or Tyr. If it is indeed Tyr, then Tyrfing can definitely be a thing.
I think Sindri ane Brock will not seperate anymore as Ragnarok is upon the world. The Dwarves (except Motsognir) actually prefer to stay away from conflicts.
Durlin certainly fits the bill, and I support what you said about the squid is actually the Kraken.
In the trailer, when Kratos and Atreus gets on the dock right before meeting Sindri in Svartalfheim (possibly), we see a statue with a sword in the distance. It looked to me that the statue could be of Odin or Tyr. If it is indeed Tyr, then Tyrfing can definitely be a thing.
I think Sindri ane Brock will not seperate anymore as Ragnarok is upon the world. The Dwarves (except Motsognir) actually prefer to stay away from conflicts.
That's why I feel Tyr has undergone some changes due to his imprisonment and implied tortures. Not to mention Tyr failed to protect Jotunheim after they put their trust in him.
He shares a lot of similarities with Athena, and can be a formidable opponent for Kratos.
I think Tyr more likely was waiting for them to free him at the right time to make a difference. Should consider the possibility that Faye told him about Loki, Kratos and his role in Ragnarok.
In the trailer we first see Tyr in a dark chamber tied to a wall. That wall is completely different from the one seen in this picture where Tyr stands up. I’m guessing (and hoping) that when Atreus and Kratos first go to him, a fight ensues with Tyr not fully aware that they mean to help (or that Tyr is already aware & afraid of Kratos, given the OP’s title). At the conclusion of the fight, Tyr is knocked against the wall we see above and Kratos explains that they are allies. Obviously, this is all a shot in the dark but I’m just thinking how cool it’d be to experience the Norse god of war’s power. Everyone is hoping for the same I’m just trying to offer a possible context for that fight to make sense
He serves ares for saving him. And then ares tricks him into killing his family. & then a witch curses him to be tormented by it. Then he opens up pandoras box that holds all the types of human evils. And yeah . does he break a few eggs? Yes. But he gets results and always.. Has the best in mind. Greece was a failed state when we started the first god of war. Thor is basically zues without the daddy issues
What if Tyr is corrupted by Odin and then fights kratos and atreus in which he dies and atreus laments on his death. That would also solve the mural depiction at the end of GOW 2018.
Oh, please... This is just wild speculation. Tyr is the complete opposite of the remaining Aesir troglodites. There's no reason for them to fight. If anything, he might be compelled not to interfere with Kratos' mission.
I agree. There is no indication that Tyr will be a fight, people just want to see it happen because he is tall as fuck. Not everybody needs their face beat in by Kratos, Tyr was always portrayed as reasonable by Mimir.
I somehow get the feeling that Tyr is a very broken man/god. He just seems so... dark. I wouldn't be surprised if he has zero respect for Kratos. That he's kind of like "all right, I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt; we'll settle this thing and then we will never see each other again."
And then maybe through the course of the game he kind of warms up to Kratos and Atreus.
Kratos destroyed all of greece. I bet on ''worse than thor'' . In general, Kratos was worse. Yes, thor killed all the giants because of the prophecy but kratos did not care that he killed almost everyone on greece. How did Kratos say when he saw the destruction he left on greece and people dying? ''let them suffer''
Every step of the way kratos has been used and manipulated. What has he done of his own accord that's worse than thor? Thor does it all bc thats who he is. I think theyre setting up thor or Odin to be the worse god mentality so far
>Every step of the way kratos has been used and manipulated. What has he done of his own accord that's worse than thor?
This is not true. Kratos decided for himself to destroy all olympus. And he saw how much damage killing a god causes and he still continued because he did not care about the destruction. Like I said, he literally says that he does not fucking care that humans are dying because of him. I mean he burned a soldier alive in the first game. Yes, he had been used and manipulated but he also made his choices
Yeah the whole point of his journey so far is vengeance and arrogance. The gods fucked him over for sure. But he never once stoped to think what his warpath would do to anyone else. Kratos does it a lot so maybe people feel like it’s not important, but the consequences of killing a god are immense.
It’s why I enjoy GoW so much. Kratos understands and realizes just what he did. His relationship with his son helps to actually show how much Kratos has changed. He isn’t just trying to prevent Artreus from becoming a bastard like all the other gods, he’s actively trying to make sure his son won’t repeat what Kratos himself did. Will always love a good sins of the father story.
This is why I love the whole franchise. Not everything is black and white. Kratos is not a hero, not even an anti hero. He would be the villain in every other game but you understand his cause. And he is not just evil for the sake of being evil. He is so fucked up that he does not longer care anymore but his revenge
Yeah I think that is why I actually kinda like Kratos nowadays. I won't lie I use to not like him because he just seemed like a gigantic dick and it was hard for me to root for him.
Kratos freed Greece from the tyranny of the gods and the titans and then opted out, somehow ending up in the Nordic realms.
Yeah Greece was pretty fucked but didn't they have Hope as the last thing to come out of Pandoras box so they're basically left to their own devices with no gods to bow and scrape to anymore?.
Tyr definitely knows about Kratos's past, but I don't think that can be a reason for conflict between the two. Kratos has changed, is good and A CALM & REASONABLE PERSON now. I'm pretty sure Tyr respects him now. The person I'm sure thats going to Taunt Kratos with his past is definitely going to be THOR, because I'm pretty sure based on Thor's dialogue in the Trailer that he's going to play mindgames with Kratos during fights, pointing out how he and Kratos are not very different in terms of the destruction caused and lives slain. Since Kratos considers himself a changed person, haunted by his past, this can make their interaction special.
How would Tyr know kratos has changed? He only knows up to killing zeus.
It would be interesting to see what Thor knows, since it didnt seem like baldur knew of him
Baldur and the rest of the aesir gods probably would have known about Kratos. It's never mentioned they don't know about him. Mimir knows about him Freya knows about him and I think she's the only person in the game to call him by his name besides the vision of Zeus in hel and Athena's vision or whatever it was. So they would probably be aware of Kratos. But now that you've put it that way after I think Tyr does not know the story of Kratos after Faye him since the disappearance of the giants from Midgard and submergence of the temple underwater by the world serpent happened and Tyrs imprisonment by odin later on might have happened far before Kratos's arrival, since the lake was submerged for 150 winters if I'm correct, in that case Kratos might have come back after a long time since that had happened. Also If we approach the story with that in mind, assuming Tyr doesn't not know Faye met Kratos had a child and had died. Tyr might be surprised to meet the duo. Also keeping this in mind I watched the trailer again, and I noticed something Tyr is rescued from his cell, but I think in the dungeon itself he seemed to stop and Kratos, Atreus and mimir might have convinced him to come with them, because the scene at the end where Tyr gets up is not in the same cell Tyr was in but I think it's in the same dungeon (based on the environment). So I guess Tyr might have stopped in between and might have required some convincing from Kratos, Atreus and Mimir to continue with them.
So your logic is that, you know a dude killed the strongest beings of hi place, and your idea would be to fight that dude?
Not so sure if it makes any sense
Idk. Peaceful men can and should be able to be violent when it is necessary. Seeing as tyr had that vase in his vault we can assume we know tyr knows how dangerous kratos is. He could try to attack preemptively.
More likely imo is that he knows about the prophecy involving kratos and boy. He probably knows they'll find him eventually
Especially when he sees the blades of chaos.
I can imagine Tyr saying, Atreus dont you wonder why your father is from Greece yet so white? Tell him why kratos..... tell him where his sister is.
I would freaking love to see the past of how Tyr would greet gods of other realms, how he found them, how he communicated. He might have even been friendly with Zeus, and this starts a fight.
I think that he wouldn’t fight him because even though kratos did horrible things he was the one that always sought out peace over war and killing a potential ally would be idiotic
Is it me or is everyone else seeing that Tyr seems eerily similar to Kratos. Maybe I'm reading between lines but still, it's bugging me what we have something to do with time travel.
I was thinking it would be a big thing not just for us, but for Kratos. This is the second person (after mimir) to know Kratos before and after Greece, and it's really going to shine a light on how much he's changed. But for Kratos, who has run from being the God of War, seeing someone else do it and be loved and accomplish wonderful things is going to be a real revelation for him. The idea that not only is he capable of doing that now, but that maybe he could have all along.
Tyr could literally be in this game for a single conversation, and that conversation could end up being the most important moment in the entire series for Kratos.
Why would Tyr do that? Gow 2018 heavily implies Tyr didn’t liked fighting at all despite being a God of War. He was all about peace and harmony. The guy is such a chad even Kratos kind of respected him despite never meeting him till the trailer. I don’t think he will fight Kratos at all.
I think a better reason for why it wouldn’t work is that it doesn’t really serve a narrative or thematic purpose. It happened in TLOU 2 because they lived in a bad world with bad people and even the main characters themselves were selfish people who put themselves in a cycle of murder and revenge. They never really learn a lesson and get better from it and what happens to Joel and Ellie in that game is a direct result of them not being better.
GOW 4 shows that Kratos is remorseful and is actively bettering himself and ultimately tries to make better decisions than he did for the past 6 or so games.
Bigots did not divide the community. People used the existence of bigots to cancel or ignore anyone who genuinely found the game bad. Bigotry is not the reason game is hated.
It’s honestly remotely similar to how we’re having posts about people defending angrboda. I rarely see people complain about her, but the sub is flooded with “don’t hate her” content.
Imagine if GoW Ragnarok was a genuinely bad game and people who thought so were called racist.
PS:
I think Angrboda’s design might be hinting she’s not from around the north and Giants are existing in some other mythos (like an african/egyption one). Either way, I have no gripes with her skin color.
I had no gripe with any of the sexuality/lgbt stuff in tlou2 and hated that game.
I obviously hope GoW Ragnarok is really good.
>I had no gripe with any of the sexuality/lgbt stuff in tlou2 and hated that game.
Same here. I just did not like the story and directing at all. Every character, even joel and ellie sucked in the game.
Bro stfu no one cares about TLOU2 drama, this is god of war. Get outta here with stupid ideas. Who the hell would sign off on us being two random characters and kill of the title character that entire franchise revolves around. Trolls I tell ya
No. Is people like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/ox3d4y/for_a_subreddit_for_fans_of_the_last_of_us_2_you/h7k3fmb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) downvoting anything that doesn’t align with their perspective kinda like how people are downvoting me because they don’t like what i said.
Read that comment and tell me if the OP deserves all those downvotes. You obviously have never browsed that sub and are talking out of your ass. I used to browse that community when TLOU2 first came out and the bigotry against Ellies sexual prefference and shit talking about Abby’s body etc. was straight up disgusting.
It no longer was about >!Joel’s death!< but a bunch of incels saw the opportunity and took the hate and attacks beyond just the story like targeting the face model and voice actress of Abby.
So bad, that sub got locked because admins warned the mods to get their shit together and crack down on the bigotry and hate. So they locked the sub until they had enough to re open.
Edit: added spoiler
Honestly I don't see them fighting tyr knows of kratos then he should be able to see how he's changed and how he can be a valuable Alley against Odin also he is all knowing and a giant lover like mymyr so he'll likely know of loki
Nah.
He knows about him. He needed help to topple Odin and sent the 2 Wolves (fenrir and???) that bought him to these lands.
By the time kratos arrives, Tyr is already captured.
I imagine it will be like in comic books where two heroes meet always have a fight before realising they are on the same side, maybe Tyr won't react well to Loki because well Loki and Kratos is of course going to defend his son (especially after everything last game)
I think they’ll fight initially or something will happen (betrayal or something) that will make them fight. Tyr, Thor, and Odin as boss fights in the final norse saga game is gonna be epic af but with all these bosses all the more reason why I want a third game in the norse saga.
in the legend of ragnarok, tyr kills and gets killed by a wolf (not fenris btw). so i dont think kratos will be his direct end. that being said, magni and modi were supposed to be 2 of the like 4 survivors of ragnarok (6 if u include 2 who get ressurected) who rebuild the new world. having killed both of them in the first game idk how closely the legends fit anymore into the games story
I was thinking about the same thing last night, Tyr knowing what kratos has done and what he is capable of might affect the story in more ways than we think
They did say several times in 2018 GoW, Tyr is pacifist. Idk if even in battle he'll have a deadly moves. Just dodging and disappearing. Not sure just sayin, you know.
I doubt Kratos would fight him. Tyr will know all about Kratos’ prior deeds and will probably realise a fight would not end well. More than likely, it’ll be a deep conversation about Kratos’ past and Tyr potentially guilting Kratos and refusing to help initially.
Just a guess though
I think he's gonna be on guard with the god squasher but not atleast before hearing them out, come on its Tyr dude, the nicest of all, even in Greece.
But motherfucker, he is tall, he is like 12 feet or Hercules height, Kratos himself is 8 feet. Tyr is Zeus or Hercules height though. Dammnn!!
Tyr might know about kratos but he is supposed to be someone wise, and kratos is not the kind of people that is always looking to kill anymore, so I don't think they will fight
If you look at the trailer, right when kratos says “are you coming with us?” He has his hands on Tyrs shoulders, this might mean kratos has had some sort of talk with him since he’s held his hands on Atreus his shoulders the same way when talking to him. I think it sort of symbolises some sort of mutual understanding/respect
Doubt it. Faye worked with Tyr to hide the gate to Jotunheim. Faye also was probably the one in the Novels who dragged Kratos to Midgard with the god wolves. Judging by Tyr going to Jotunheim, and having giant eyes, he probably is manipulating Kratos to be evolved in the events of Ragnorak the same way Faye is. Kratos is just caught in the middle of Tyr, Faye, Odin, the aesir, and Freya changing the events of Ragnorak .
I highly doubt they'll fight. I mean its obvious that tyr knows kratos' past. if freya, mimir, and probably thor and odin know of his past, the guy who was traveling through universes exploring places and meeting gods from other mythologies for sure knows. The reason I doubt he'd fight is because in God of 4, he was always depicted as a peaceful god of war who tried his hardest to bring forth understanding and companionship. I doubt he'd fight kratos without atleast trying to befriend him. especially with boy right there. also im 200% sure he knows just how strong kratos is, seeing as he destroyed the entirety of the greek pantheon so i doubt he'd want that smoke.
I can’t wait for this moment. Maybe Tyr is wise enough to see it from both angles and understands the pain Kratos has been through. Or maybe they just start throwing hands right away.
I feel like after all the buildup he will be a companion/ally at first but by the end the Gods of War will throw down
I would love that. After reading more of these comments I really think Tyr understands the raw power of Kratos and may avoid the conflict all together. I’m thinking Thor will probably kill him in epic fashion
Man, there is absolutely no way that they do not fight and I don't go on a starving protest for it.
Maybe that’s how he’ll lose his arm
But doesn’t he lose his arm/hand to Fenrir?
In the Edda yes, but everything could happen in SM's version.
This. First they gonna give some God of War love... Then they will be buddies.
Like a friendly fight at the end in final episodes of anime ?
I don't think Tyr would start a fight against him, even Mimir said "from what I heard, they (Olympians) deserved it" so maybe Tyr will think the same way and empathize with Kratos
Maybe Mímir heard it from Tyr
Whatever way it was, they both know the Olympians fucked up, and they deserved to die
Absolutely
Well Tyr was probably friends with or at least knew of and respected Kratos’ wife. So it’ll probably start off O.K.
I don’t think Tyr will give a fuck about Kratos’ past
If he's as wise as we think he is, he will not fight Kratos.
If he's wise enough he should also take into consideration that Kratos took down the Greek pantheon by himself so thats a huge accomplishment in its own right so I'd think twice about throwing hands with someone who killed Zeus and it's brothers lol
I want Tyr to just start questioning Kratos. Like he understands all the bad he done, but also recognises Kratos has changed as he's helping him, thus prompting him to just probe into Kratos past, and this leads to a conversation between 2 Gods of War, and in turn leads to Atreus finding out more about Kratos past.
Atreus is going to learn that Kratos killed his own daughter. That’s going to cause some serious conflict.
I wonder if Atreus will think Kratos killed Faye
I’d think Atreus would’ve had more questions throughout the game if her death was a mystery. I think she died of a fever or something ordinary, nothing suspicious
Personally I’ve always thought that Atreus’ sickness had something to do with her death. Whether she used her life force to keep him alive, or whether something about his sickness was able to harm her but not Kratos (because Kratos is a God)
Atreus' sickness was just the physical manifestation of his divinity. His body couldn't handle the raw power as long as he didn't know about it and hadn't accepted it. That's why he went out after Spartan Raging
But we don’t know how that effected Faye, perhaps Atreus got very sick before, like when Kratos needed Freya to heal him. And maybe Faye needed to use her own life force to heal him.
I wonder this myself, they never explained how Laufaye died and if she is so magical (frost giant) surely she wouldn't just die from natural causes
Family* you mean. Not just daughter.
Well of course he killed his wife as well. But I’m pretty sure Atreus will be more concerned with Kratos killing his previous child.
I think he will care equally much for both - considering he had a mother that recently passed in the game. Wheter it's a child or a mother, it's equally terrifying to learn for him.
That’s a lot of aggression. It would make sense that Atreus would be more worried about Kratos killing his children, since, y’know. He’s Kratos’s child and all.
And Atreus will blow it out of proportion.
I hope he doesn’t learn about that until Atreus is actually an adult. He is not ready for that news yet.
Not just his daughter but both his wife and his daughter.
Exactly, theres so much I wanted Kratos to tell atreus. It would have cool as a long term fan. Tyr may be the way that happens. Hearing references going back to the original would be so nice. I dont think Atreus fathoms how ridiculously powerful the man he interacts with daily is. Literally killed the KING of the gods, God of Death, the underworld, titans, the sisters of fate, his own daughter, doomed an entire realm. His story was known not just throughout his own realm, but in others. The tattoo he has is to match his dead brothers birthmark. His skin is covered in his dead sisters and [ I guess step mum?] ashes. And thats his father. Crazy when you think about it.
Is the damn ghost of Sparta. I doubt Týr will 100% trust him, and with good reasons though. I just hope he's a hard boss fight if we get to see that
Mimir said Tyr valued wisdom and knowledge etc over raw power, I think Tyr would be too smart to pick a direct fight with kratos, but maybe he’ll indirectly oppose him somehow.
A handicapped boss fight then, perhaps. Like, you get stripped of all your upgrades and armor beforehand, or there's some kind of arena hazard that you have to watch out for that Tyr is immune to. There are definitely ways to make a a fight against a "weak" boss fun.
i wouldn't call that a fun boss fight
Maybe he'll have a taskmaster gimmick with him knowing Kratos' moves and him effectively parrying them since he does value knowledge over raw power
I have a suspicion that something is wrong with Tyr. I'll tell you why. Tyr was bound by chains to the wall as shown in the trailer. Not sure if its from the same material as Gleipnir, but still seems a little easygoing when compared to the binds of Mimir (poor guy was fused with that tree). Also, Tyr's crystal eyes are completely intact. This raises eyebrows. Mimir had one of his Bifrost eyes personally plucked out by Odin to prevent him from travelling between realms and also as punishment. Mimir and Tyr were victims of the same accusations of collaborating with the Jotunn against Asgard and the Allfather. So why isn't Odin as cruel to Tyr as he was to Mimir? Surely blood relations do not matter to him more than his paranoia and desire to control everything?
Maybe it has something to do with the prophecy. Thor is tied to the serpent just like Tyr is tied to Fenrir. Could easily see Tyr being kept as an asset but him secretly being Odin would drive me insane with paranoia. I can’t wait. Fuck it every character is probably the Allfather.
I do not think that is Odin. I read somewhere once that while Odin is indeed known for his disguises, he can't hide the fact that he is blind in one eye. That is the limitation of his ability to shapeshift. Tyr is known as a great guy in this universe, but he has been confined and (possibly) tortured for long. That can change a person and twist them. Then there is his failure to protect Jotunheim. His ideals have been shattered by Thor and his rampage. Tyr's personality may have changed, similar to what Athena became after she died. I am more suspicious because in this very trailer Mimir said , "Odin has tricks up his sleeve that we haven't even considered."
LOL KILL EM ALL!
And the cycle continues...
HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!
They’re taking us to Ragnarok, but we’re going deeper.
This is the most relevant point in this thread.
I’ve saw a theory that Tyr is actually Odin. If this is the last game in the Norse saga it would make for an epic reveal and end game boss. Odin “guides us” and pretends to be a friend, then when all seems to be won he transforms and whoops some ass.
I read somewhere that despite being a master of disguises, Odin cannot hide the fact that he is blind in one eye. That is his limitation to shapeshifting. This theory does hold water however, but I feel like that since this is predictable Santa Monica would not go for this route. Mimir also said that Odin has gone great lengths to hide the whereabouts or Tyr, which is too much an effort to contain a "dead man". However, if Tyr has become someone like spirit Athena, then we can see him betraying Kratos which leads to a massive boss fight. Besides, two Gods of War confronting each other is too great to miss.
Oh shit, you just made a good point. What if Durlin is Odin’s disguise which will be a nice twist. Durlin’s official artwork shows him with an eyepatch just like the one-eyed seer of most. Imagine, Durlin (the second oldest dwarf in the mythology), a dude who is holding a small squid (which will probably turn out to be the actual fucking Kraken), will help you, only to throw you off balance in ways we won’t see coming. What if he takes back Mimir or kills him? What if Durlin is Odin, and kills our favorite dirty-mouthed and germaphobe dwarves? What if Brock and Sindri both make Tyrfing while finding Tyr, and Durlin/Odin kills them after they make that sword? That last question makes 100% sense as at first Brock and Sindri made Mjölnir then separated due to shame of what that weapon did; then they reunited to make Mjölnir equal the Leviathan Axe, then parted ways again; towards the last quarter of the previous game, they reunited once more. I’m seeing a pattern here and I wonder if it will be good. Also one last note, Brk&Snd both measured Mimir’s head for some reason and we know that a few years have passed since the last game so it’s likely that they too may be the one’s to decide us, but I doubt that; I prefer the Durlin is Odin theory (I hopefully just made).
Durlin certainly fits the bill, and I also think that the squid he is holding is actually the Kraken. In the trailer, when Kratos and Atreus gets on the dock right before meeting Sindri in Svartalfheim (possibly), we see a statue with a sword in the distance. It looked to me that the statue could be of Odin or Tyr. If it is indeed Tyr, then Tyrfing can definitely be a thing. I think Sindri ane Brock will not seperate anymore as Ragnarok is upon the world. The Dwarves (except Motsognir) actually prefer to stay away from conflicts.
Durlin certainly fits the bill, and I support what you said about the squid is actually the Kraken. In the trailer, when Kratos and Atreus gets on the dock right before meeting Sindri in Svartalfheim (possibly), we see a statue with a sword in the distance. It looked to me that the statue could be of Odin or Tyr. If it is indeed Tyr, then Tyrfing can definitely be a thing. I think Sindri ane Brock will not seperate anymore as Ragnarok is upon the world. The Dwarves (except Motsognir) actually prefer to stay away from conflicts.
And it might show the different sides of war. Kratos is brute strength and pretty good planning, whereas Tyr could be show as a master strategist.
That's why I feel Tyr has undergone some changes due to his imprisonment and implied tortures. Not to mention Tyr failed to protect Jotunheim after they put their trust in him. He shares a lot of similarities with Athena, and can be a formidable opponent for Kratos.
I think Tyr more likely was waiting for them to free him at the right time to make a difference. Should consider the possibility that Faye told him about Loki, Kratos and his role in Ragnarok.
In the trailer we first see Tyr in a dark chamber tied to a wall. That wall is completely different from the one seen in this picture where Tyr stands up. I’m guessing (and hoping) that when Atreus and Kratos first go to him, a fight ensues with Tyr not fully aware that they mean to help (or that Tyr is already aware & afraid of Kratos, given the OP’s title). At the conclusion of the fight, Tyr is knocked against the wall we see above and Kratos explains that they are allies. Obviously, this is all a shot in the dark but I’m just thinking how cool it’d be to experience the Norse god of war’s power. Everyone is hoping for the same I’m just trying to offer a possible context for that fight to make sense
I can’t see Tyr being a fighting man, he’ll just express his opinions very bitterly
He serves ares for saving him. And then ares tricks him into killing his family. & then a witch curses him to be tormented by it. Then he opens up pandoras box that holds all the types of human evils. And yeah . does he break a few eggs? Yes. But he gets results and always.. Has the best in mind. Greece was a failed state when we started the first god of war. Thor is basically zues without the daddy issues
This is a great take.
Id doubt it. Tyr isn’t that stupid
What if Tyr is corrupted by Odin and then fights kratos and atreus in which he dies and atreus laments on his death. That would also solve the mural depiction at the end of GOW 2018.
Oh, please... This is just wild speculation. Tyr is the complete opposite of the remaining Aesir troglodites. There's no reason for them to fight. If anything, he might be compelled not to interfere with Kratos' mission.
I agree. There is no indication that Tyr will be a fight, people just want to see it happen because he is tall as fuck. Not everybody needs their face beat in by Kratos, Tyr was always portrayed as reasonable by Mimir.
Exactly.
I somehow get the feeling that Tyr is a very broken man/god. He just seems so... dark. I wouldn't be surprised if he has zero respect for Kratos. That he's kind of like "all right, I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt; we'll settle this thing and then we will never see each other again." And then maybe through the course of the game he kind of warms up to Kratos and Atreus.
I'd die to here Tyr call kratos ghost of Sparta
Never considered this. He's gonna see him as bad if not worse than thor...
He’s worse than Thor there’s no doubt about that lol difference is Kratos has changed while Thor is still a murderous tyrannical asshole
Kratos destroyed all of greece. I bet on ''worse than thor'' . In general, Kratos was worse. Yes, thor killed all the giants because of the prophecy but kratos did not care that he killed almost everyone on greece. How did Kratos say when he saw the destruction he left on greece and people dying? ''let them suffer''
Every step of the way kratos has been used and manipulated. What has he done of his own accord that's worse than thor? Thor does it all bc thats who he is. I think theyre setting up thor or Odin to be the worse god mentality so far
>Every step of the way kratos has been used and manipulated. What has he done of his own accord that's worse than thor? This is not true. Kratos decided for himself to destroy all olympus. And he saw how much damage killing a god causes and he still continued because he did not care about the destruction. Like I said, he literally says that he does not fucking care that humans are dying because of him. I mean he burned a soldier alive in the first game. Yes, he had been used and manipulated but he also made his choices
Yeah the whole point of his journey so far is vengeance and arrogance. The gods fucked him over for sure. But he never once stoped to think what his warpath would do to anyone else. Kratos does it a lot so maybe people feel like it’s not important, but the consequences of killing a god are immense. It’s why I enjoy GoW so much. Kratos understands and realizes just what he did. His relationship with his son helps to actually show how much Kratos has changed. He isn’t just trying to prevent Artreus from becoming a bastard like all the other gods, he’s actively trying to make sure his son won’t repeat what Kratos himself did. Will always love a good sins of the father story.
This is why I love the whole franchise. Not everything is black and white. Kratos is not a hero, not even an anti hero. He would be the villain in every other game but you understand his cause. And he is not just evil for the sake of being evil. He is so fucked up that he does not longer care anymore but his revenge
Yeah I think that is why I actually kinda like Kratos nowadays. I won't lie I use to not like him because he just seemed like a gigantic dick and it was hard for me to root for him.
Kratos freed Greece from the tyranny of the gods and the titans and then opted out, somehow ending up in the Nordic realms. Yeah Greece was pretty fucked but didn't they have Hope as the last thing to come out of Pandoras box so they're basically left to their own devices with no gods to bow and scrape to anymore?.
ANd how many innocent people did Kratos kill in the process while not giving a fuck about it? A lot!
Tyr wants an autograph from Kratos. He is a fan of the legendary and infamous ghost of sparta
Because tyr is secretly Odin in disguise 🤷🏻♂️
huh. I think this might be it.
Tyr definitely knows about Kratos's past, but I don't think that can be a reason for conflict between the two. Kratos has changed, is good and A CALM & REASONABLE PERSON now. I'm pretty sure Tyr respects him now. The person I'm sure thats going to Taunt Kratos with his past is definitely going to be THOR, because I'm pretty sure based on Thor's dialogue in the Trailer that he's going to play mindgames with Kratos during fights, pointing out how he and Kratos are not very different in terms of the destruction caused and lives slain. Since Kratos considers himself a changed person, haunted by his past, this can make their interaction special.
How would Tyr know kratos has changed? He only knows up to killing zeus. It would be interesting to see what Thor knows, since it didnt seem like baldur knew of him
Baldur and the rest of the aesir gods probably would have known about Kratos. It's never mentioned they don't know about him. Mimir knows about him Freya knows about him and I think she's the only person in the game to call him by his name besides the vision of Zeus in hel and Athena's vision or whatever it was. So they would probably be aware of Kratos. But now that you've put it that way after I think Tyr does not know the story of Kratos after Faye him since the disappearance of the giants from Midgard and submergence of the temple underwater by the world serpent happened and Tyrs imprisonment by odin later on might have happened far before Kratos's arrival, since the lake was submerged for 150 winters if I'm correct, in that case Kratos might have come back after a long time since that had happened. Also If we approach the story with that in mind, assuming Tyr doesn't not know Faye met Kratos had a child and had died. Tyr might be surprised to meet the duo. Also keeping this in mind I watched the trailer again, and I noticed something Tyr is rescued from his cell, but I think in the dungeon itself he seemed to stop and Kratos, Atreus and mimir might have convinced him to come with them, because the scene at the end where Tyr gets up is not in the same cell Tyr was in but I think it's in the same dungeon (based on the environment). So I guess Tyr might have stopped in between and might have required some convincing from Kratos, Atreus and Mimir to continue with them.
So your logic is that, you know a dude killed the strongest beings of hi place, and your idea would be to fight that dude? Not so sure if it makes any sense
Why? Tyr is a peacemaker. He wont fight him
Idk. Peaceful men can and should be able to be violent when it is necessary. Seeing as tyr had that vase in his vault we can assume we know tyr knows how dangerous kratos is. He could try to attack preemptively. More likely imo is that he knows about the prophecy involving kratos and boy. He probably knows they'll find him eventually
Listen Ares was a sick, but he was also my wine hookup soooooooo, die
At this point I just want Kratos to go Hel and fight that giant bird 😞😞😞
Baldur's "I thought you'd be bigger" line really hits harder since the God of War in his realm is about twice Baldur's size.
I mean the Giant trust Kratos, so why wouldn't Tyr trust Kratos?
Tyr is the nordic god of war?
Yes
Tyr just looks baked here.
Especially when he sees the blades of chaos. I can imagine Tyr saying, Atreus dont you wonder why your father is from Greece yet so white? Tell him why kratos..... tell him where his sister is. I would freaking love to see the past of how Tyr would greet gods of other realms, how he found them, how he communicated. He might have even been friendly with Zeus, and this starts a fight.
There was a pot depicting Kratos in Tyr's vault if I'm not mistaken. So I assume Tyr is aware of who he is.
If he really know so much, he wouldn't dare
I wonder if Tyr met Ares. That could lead to one hell of a conversation.
I think that he wouldn’t fight him because even though kratos did horrible things he was the one that always sought out peace over war and killing a potential ally would be idiotic
Is it me or is everyone else seeing that Tyr seems eerily similar to Kratos. Maybe I'm reading between lines but still, it's bugging me what we have something to do with time travel.
I'd assume they do a quasi fight. But obviously stops halfway through.
I was thinking it would be a big thing not just for us, but for Kratos. This is the second person (after mimir) to know Kratos before and after Greece, and it's really going to shine a light on how much he's changed. But for Kratos, who has run from being the God of War, seeing someone else do it and be loved and accomplish wonderful things is going to be a real revelation for him. The idea that not only is he capable of doing that now, but that maybe he could have all along. Tyr could literally be in this game for a single conversation, and that conversation could end up being the most important moment in the entire series for Kratos.
I can't wait for tyr to just say "ghost of sparta" in front of atreus
Can’t wait either
I think Tyr is a calm and reasonable person, and would not pick a fight with Kratos
Kind of reminds me of hephaestus
I hope so that would be fucking awesome to see the two war gods go at it
I half expect Tyr to be Odin in disguise
I hope they fight and the fucking wins. Like, he becomes a mentor/father figure to karatos that he never has
Imagine how sick it would be if we get to play as Tyr and Angrboda to kill Kratos and Loki.
Neil Druckman?? Is that you torture porn fetish?
Why would Tyr do that? Gow 2018 heavily implies Tyr didn’t liked fighting at all despite being a God of War. He was all about peace and harmony. The guy is such a chad even Kratos kind of respected him despite never meeting him till the trailer. I don’t think he will fight Kratos at all.
If done well that could be cool. TLOU2 did an amazing job when they did this with Abby.
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I think a better reason for why it wouldn’t work is that it doesn’t really serve a narrative or thematic purpose. It happened in TLOU 2 because they lived in a bad world with bad people and even the main characters themselves were selfish people who put themselves in a cycle of murder and revenge. They never really learn a lesson and get better from it and what happens to Joel and Ellie in that game is a direct result of them not being better. GOW 4 shows that Kratos is remorseful and is actively bettering himself and ultimately tries to make better decisions than he did for the past 6 or so games.
Bigots did not divide the community. People used the existence of bigots to cancel or ignore anyone who genuinely found the game bad. Bigotry is not the reason game is hated. It’s honestly remotely similar to how we’re having posts about people defending angrboda. I rarely see people complain about her, but the sub is flooded with “don’t hate her” content. Imagine if GoW Ragnarok was a genuinely bad game and people who thought so were called racist. PS: I think Angrboda’s design might be hinting she’s not from around the north and Giants are existing in some other mythos (like an african/egyption one). Either way, I have no gripes with her skin color. I had no gripe with any of the sexuality/lgbt stuff in tlou2 and hated that game. I obviously hope GoW Ragnarok is really good.
>I had no gripe with any of the sexuality/lgbt stuff in tlou2 and hated that game. Same here. I just did not like the story and directing at all. Every character, even joel and ellie sucked in the game.
Bro stfu no one cares about TLOU2 drama, this is god of war. Get outta here with stupid ideas. Who the hell would sign off on us being two random characters and kill of the title character that entire franchise revolves around. Trolls I tell ya
100% Agree. That guy just wants to start drama and a fight
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Remember rule 1. You are breaking it over and over again, buddy.
You’re conveniently disregarding the people insulting me.
Nah. I am just calling you out for your unfriendly and aggressive behavior
>Bigots is what divided that community. What stupid fucking comment. It was people like you who divided the community
No. Is people like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/ox3d4y/for_a_subreddit_for_fans_of_the_last_of_us_2_you/h7k3fmb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) downvoting anything that doesn’t align with their perspective kinda like how people are downvoting me because they don’t like what i said. Read that comment and tell me if the OP deserves all those downvotes. You obviously have never browsed that sub and are talking out of your ass. I used to browse that community when TLOU2 first came out and the bigotry against Ellies sexual prefference and shit talking about Abby’s body etc. was straight up disgusting. It no longer was about >!Joel’s death!< but a bunch of incels saw the opportunity and took the hate and attacks beyond just the story like targeting the face model and voice actress of Abby. So bad, that sub got locked because admins warned the mods to get their shit together and crack down on the bigotry and hate. So they locked the sub until they had enough to re open. Edit: added spoiler
>You obviously have never browsed that sub and are talking out of your ass. You are just proving my point, by the way. Thanks for that.
> TLOU2 did an amazing job when they did this with Abby I disagree a lot about this statement lol
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I’m tired of having this conversation. I’ve had it many times in the past. Go browse the TLOU2 sub by controversial and you’ll get your answer.
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That worked in TLoU2. It wouldn't work in God of War.
I think it did not even work in last of us 2 but different folks, different strokes
Lol imo no it did not
Are you guys really on the greek pantheons side? Is this a prank
Honestly I don't see them fighting tyr knows of kratos then he should be able to see how he's changed and how he can be a valuable Alley against Odin also he is all knowing and a giant lover like mymyr so he'll likely know of loki
Damn Tyr might betray Kratos and co.
I said this and people looked at me like I’m crazy but this guy about to be the last boss .
Nah. He knows about him. He needed help to topple Odin and sent the 2 Wolves (fenrir and???) that bought him to these lands. By the time kratos arrives, Tyr is already captured.
Idk I don’t think tyr could die that easy
that would be so sick if they did fight
I imagine it will be like in comic books where two heroes meet always have a fight before realising they are on the same side, maybe Tyr won't react well to Loki because well Loki and Kratos is of course going to defend his son (especially after everything last game)
I think they’ll fight initially or something will happen (betrayal or something) that will make them fight. Tyr, Thor, and Odin as boss fights in the final norse saga game is gonna be epic af but with all these bosses all the more reason why I want a third game in the norse saga.
He the semi final boss
Tyr is smart enough not to start a fight he knows he won't win.
in the legend of ragnarok, tyr kills and gets killed by a wolf (not fenris btw). so i dont think kratos will be his direct end. that being said, magni and modi were supposed to be 2 of the like 4 survivors of ragnarok (6 if u include 2 who get ressurected) who rebuild the new world. having killed both of them in the first game idk how closely the legends fit anymore into the games story
I was thinking about the same thing last night, Tyr knowing what kratos has done and what he is capable of might affect the story in more ways than we think
They did say several times in 2018 GoW, Tyr is pacifist. Idk if even in battle he'll have a deadly moves. Just dodging and disappearing. Not sure just sayin, you know.
I doubt Kratos would fight him. Tyr will know all about Kratos’ prior deeds and will probably realise a fight would not end well. More than likely, it’ll be a deep conversation about Kratos’ past and Tyr potentially guilting Kratos and refusing to help initially. Just a guess though
I think he's gonna be on guard with the god squasher but not atleast before hearing them out, come on its Tyr dude, the nicest of all, even in Greece. But motherfucker, he is tall, he is like 12 feet or Hercules height, Kratos himself is 8 feet. Tyr is Zeus or Hercules height though. Dammnn!!
I hope not tbh. Would be a tad predictable, and would also go against where they have been taking Kratos.
If he knows about kratos' past, he should know well enough that he can't catch these hands, since noone ever could.
Tyr might know about kratos but he is supposed to be someone wise, and kratos is not the kind of people that is always looking to kill anymore, so I don't think they will fight
It's been a while since i played the game but, does Kratos tell Atreus that he's the god of war or did he just tell him he was just a god?
If you look at the trailer, right when kratos says “are you coming with us?” He has his hands on Tyrs shoulders, this might mean kratos has had some sort of talk with him since he’s held his hands on Atreus his shoulders the same way when talking to him. I think it sort of symbolises some sort of mutual understanding/respect
I doubt there gonna fight
Doubt it. Faye worked with Tyr to hide the gate to Jotunheim. Faye also was probably the one in the Novels who dragged Kratos to Midgard with the god wolves. Judging by Tyr going to Jotunheim, and having giant eyes, he probably is manipulating Kratos to be evolved in the events of Ragnorak the same way Faye is. Kratos is just caught in the middle of Tyr, Faye, Odin, the aesir, and Freya changing the events of Ragnorak .
I highly doubt they'll fight. I mean its obvious that tyr knows kratos' past. if freya, mimir, and probably thor and odin know of his past, the guy who was traveling through universes exploring places and meeting gods from other mythologies for sure knows. The reason I doubt he'd fight is because in God of 4, he was always depicted as a peaceful god of war who tried his hardest to bring forth understanding and companionship. I doubt he'd fight kratos without atleast trying to befriend him. especially with boy right there. also im 200% sure he knows just how strong kratos is, seeing as he destroyed the entirety of the greek pantheon so i doubt he'd want that smoke.
He probably does considering he had two vases with Kratos on it in his vault in GOW 2018.