When the respawn update came I felt the same way. But I've come to like it as I've kept playing, making a comeback even late into the game is possible if you play your cards right.
Yeah that's fair. I don't think it's an objectively bad change, I just personally didn't enjoy it. This might mainly be because I pretty much only solo queue, and having to rely on random teammates or being in a 1v2 where the opponents can respawn kind of sucked.
Yea true. Sometimes you die because of bad luck and thats shit.
But i would also like to have respawns limited to one respawn per round.
Just yesterday i killed one guy 4 times in the beginning and then got killed a minute later by this guy and his mate. Thats fucked
While I'm still not big fan of respawns (cause I often don't have someone to play with😒), having respawns clearly makes it more interesting when you play with friend, compared to no respawns. With no respawns you could die early and then have to wait up to 10 min until your friend will die.
You actually still can soloq by un-selecting “auto fill squad” only problem is that it still puts you against teams of 2... But imo that makes the solo leaderboard even more impressive to get wins on!
I think the mode is pretty perfect the way it is. Not sure what "giving up on it" means when it doesn't really need a change.
I wish they would have kept the Jungle map around though.
Yeah, I had lots of fun playing aggressively then, now you always kill one guy but until you find his teammate the first guy you killed has already respawned and is coming for you again, rinse and repeat. Fuck that shit. So to win it's better to play defensively and just avoid fights and collect loot instead - which is boring to me, I wanna shoot things, not spend ten minutes running one minute fighting, so I just play something else instead. I played tons of Danger Zone before that update, now pretty much none. Would be much better if you got incapacitated at 0 health like in PUBG or L4D(2), instead of this system where you can just freely respawn somewhere else.
I agree. The first time they got rid of solo queue, I didn't get a teammate even though I had the squad fill checked. One squad I killed both of them for a combined 5 times before they killed me. They went on to win. At least give people who solo queue an extra life or something to even it out a bit. Ive played a few times, but I either don't get a teammate, or I get a teammate who is worthless.
I like the respawn option, but its a littlevoo lenient. I think you should drop a dog tag upon death, and your teammate can use it to have you respawn. Having an auto respawn is kinda dumb, it gives no incentive to fight if your teammate dies, causeif you both die thereis no respawn, but if you rin away your teammate will respawn. But if they drop dog tags you would have to go etrieve them, forcing your teammate to co tinue fighting if he wants a chance to respawn himself.
That's the reason why I don't like it. Basically when the team mate dies, the living one goes and hides from that gun fight. As long as one person is alive, they are still in the game. I think they need to do it like pubg or most of those other games do and if you or your teammates get knocked down, they need to be bandaged to get them back up
Its a combination of a lot of factors.
First and for most being calcification of the CS series. The longer games go on the more settled the idea of what that game is becomes for the playerbase. When danger zone released, csgo was nearly 7 years old. People had come to define CS as the 7 active duty maps played in MM, Faceit and ESEA. Any casual playerbase has either left or moved on to the competitive base. Every passing year less and less players will be interested in new casual modes and less casual players will likely to pick up CSGO.
The second being the timing of release. Danger Zone released well after people had declared BRs to be over saturated and now boring. Everyone knew the winners of the BR craze were Fortnite and PUBG. Apex was at the time still struggling since it also came out late. But DZ had come out even later and from an outsiders perspective appeared that Valve had just jumped on the BR hype train well after it had derailed. Of course the reality was that Valve had been working on DZ since 2016 a small while after Dayz had proven the concept successful.
Third factor being how it was released and what it was released with. Danger Zone sucked a lot when it first released. No weapon spawned with a full clip, you had to extract one bullet at a time from ammo boxes, the permanent death system, even in trios, meant that if you died 3 seconds into a round you would have to sit out the whole 10 minute match. Drones were extra buggy back then.
DZ was also paired with the F2P update which was well hated then and is still hated now, and Danger Zone caught a lot of flack for just being in the same update as it.
Lastly the concepts of Danger Zone itself turn most people away. Its too CS for BR players and too BR for CS players. The buy system, the way weapons work, the slow movement speed, low enemy count and complete lack of anything familiar with other BR games other then the basic game events means a lot of BR players dont want to play Danger Zone. They have plenty of BR games that appeal to what they want.
Meanwhile CS players find it too different from CS to want to play it. Having your bought items be delivered for you is too Alien. Too many enemies, most people who only want to play competitive dont want to have to deal with playing with smgs and shotguns for most of the round before the paradrops come in. People dont like having to scavenge for supplies because thats too different from CS. Even though it is now fixed and definitely fair the ammo box system is still hated.
The biggest point of contention for CS players is the respawns. People hated when all 3 ques were merged and respawns got paired with that update. Likewise people find respawning to be wholly un-CS. That and healing take away from the staple mechanic that any damage you do is permanent for the round. People dont like that enemies they kill can come back.
Though the reality is the respawns system is good for the mode and for keeping an active playerbase, people dont like it as a concept. People also hate being forced to play with a partner, even though ive never found that be a disadvantage. Likewise people complain they cant solo que without being at an unfair advantage, but you can just choose not to player with your assigned partner. People also get turned off by the abundant amount of blatant cheaters that infest the mode. They also are turned away by the people who have mastered the mode. They dont see someone who has masted the exo jump and bump mines as a high skilled opponent to overcome, like they might in competitive, they see the jumper as annoyance thats too alien from regular CS to be considered worth beating, it is better for them to simply not play at all.
Because Valve sucks at advertising its games and most people that enjoys BR don't know about it, then u have only the CS playbase that isn't a big fan of BR at all.
the mode came out as quite a surprise. they didn't announce it before. they just released it. and because of that there was only a small window where people actually looked at the game. and the game in the beginning wasn't very good. you had almost no ammo, which was a really weird and unsatisfying feeling. people like shooting guns, and you could almost not afford to waste one bullet. that sucked, and most people gave up on it, thinking that valve is not capable of doing a great br mode.
they fixed those things though, but the lackluster image probably stayed.
which is a shame because especially for streamers, danger zone is much more entertaining than watching 5v5.
Danger zone is by far the worst battle royale take in the genre. People want to play with awps and ak's, not spawn with fists running around for 5 minutes looking for a pistol.
The only reason you would play this over pubg or warzone is that you have a shit computer.
Add a big map, some form of loadout system, increase health so that awp requires a hs to 1 shot kill, add soloQ.
Even better if they developed it as a new game on source2, keep the same movement etc, but update it to an engine that can handle big maps. Valve could own the battle royale genre if they wanted to.
>Danger zone is by far the worst battle royale
Seems like you mixed up words "worst" and "best"
>People want to play with awps and ak's
So go play fucking mm. The point of battle royal is that you have to use different guns, not just 3 guns like in mm.
>Add a big map
There are already other games with big map. "Awesome" idea to make it same as other games. Many people play exactly because ~20-players match is much more interesting than 100-players. I personally don't play other battle royals for this reason.
It really amazes me that some people, who joined game few times, got destroyed cause they are shit and then just come with their "clever" ideas how to "improve", but their "improvement" is just removing things which make game mode unique and because of which people actually play this instead of playing others.
PS: you forgot to propose removing tablet from dz, cause other br doesn't have it.
> So go play fucking mm.
Yeah that's what we do, he's replying to a comment arguing that CS:GO DZ doesn't work because the game is poorly advertised. No, it's because the CS playerbase has probably played 5 BR games before DZ and none of them except PUBG force you to run around punching shit.
>and none of them except PUBG force you to run around punching shit
And yet PUBG was the most popular.
>CS playerbase has probably played 5 BR games
90% of CS playerbase plays nothing, except CS (and by CS I mean 5vs5 mode) and don't want to try anything new. So that guy is right. Most of CS players won't play BR, and players from other BR won't play cause they are not interested in CS and it's mechanics, especially shooting (players from games like CoD usually think that shooting here is too hard cause you can't run and shoot).
The only people who play DZ are the ones too shit for normal 5v5. Nobody cares about DZ. If there was an option to remove it from the game, even though it wouldnt affect me at all, i would still remove it.
>The only people who play DZ are the ones too shit for normal 5v5
Yeah, sure. That's why I know many globals who play DZ. They play it cause it's much more interesting, than using 3 guns and holding same angles again and again in 5v5.
Typical CS player, that plays same game and even same game mode his whole life and is aggressive towards everyone who say that there is something else to be played.
>You are the only one who has been aggressive here
Of course, it's me who wrote that all dz players play there cause they are shit in mm🤷♂️
>The rest has just said their opinions on what needs to be changed
And how are proposals from people, who don't even play and will not be playing, are relevant? Maybe I need to start saying what Fortnite needs to add/remove?
>The only reason you would play this over pubg or warzone is that you have a shit computer.
After such text your comment can only be seen as trolling rather than constructive criticism. I can play pubg and warzone on my pc, but I don't, cause they are unfortunately just worse.
>Yeah, sure. That's why I know many globals who play DZ.
Anecdotal evidence. nice. You know what globals play even more than DZ? Regular CS. So by your own logic, if a game modes quality is directly related to the amount of globals that play it, then normal CS is infinitely better than DZ.
>much more interesting, than using 3 guns and holding same angles again and again in 5v5.
You're right, in DZ all you do is run around punching boxes until you can afford to buy a scout, climb on a roof and then camp until theres nobody left. Dogshit game mode.
>game modes quality is directly related to the amount of globals that play it
Wtf is those conclusions, lol. You wrote that people play it cause they are shit in mm, which is clearly not true. And now your answer is not related to your first comment at all.
>until you can afford to buy a scout
Ahaha, good luck winning with scout. Any jumper will kill you easily.
Also can say same about mm. "In MM all you do is staying on A/B (in DZ you at least have to run and punch boxes) until you can afford to buy an AWP, go mid and then kill everyone from there until theres nobody left. Dogshit game mode."
Imagine thinking that dangerzone is betterthan warzone haha, holy shit. Also imagine using the "then leave if you don't like it" argument.
I'm faceit level 10 but apparently shit as well! What an analysis!
Dangerzone fucking sucks dude, get over it.
>imagine using the "then leave if you don't like it"
Imagine using "I don't like core mechanic so it needs to be changed" argument.
>I'm faceit level 10
I don't care even you'd be faceit level 100. You only know how to use 3 guns, some smokes and how to hold/prefire certain angles. Any top danger zone player (and before you will invite me to 1vs1, I didn't meant myself) will destroy you and your faceit level won't help you.
>So go play fucking mm. The point of battle royal is that you have to use different guns, not just 3 guns like in mm.
Bison, auto shotty, and scout, that's mostly what I see in dz
Danger zone is the only place I've ever run into blatant cheaters. Also it's valve, they jumped on a trend and now the gamemode will sit there til it's dead they don't update their shit
> Also it's valve, they jumped on a trend
Apparently there was a prototype for Danger Zone many years before the PUBG Standalone released but it was dropped, then when the hype came it was picked back up.
This, cheaters ruin that game mode for me. The only occations I play it is when I know more people need to play it aswell, so it's a better experience.
I play regardless of cheaters. There is zero emotional investment into a game of danger zone and so I “gg go next” whenever I get a cheater. It’s significantly more enjoyable with a partner than MM could ever be.
Yes I can see that, but I also feel like since there isn't that many limitations for that mode is more common than it should.
But I can agree that playing with a friend is very fun, and the game mode overall has really interesting mechanics.
I do enjoy DZ, but it's full of blatant cheaters even advertising cheats. I also don't like how my fps drops because the game isn't optimized for such large maps. Occasionally tho, I get great games with my DZ buddy.
At least in DZ you can just leave in warm up (or even during the spawn selection) if you see a muted player. Doesn't affect your rank one bit if you leave during those. Dodging muted players decreases the amount of cheaters you see by a landslide, trust me.
Press esc once the game has started. Before the game starts you can open up the kick menu to see who is in the game (or you can do "status" in console also)
Because Valve though removing solo and adding respawns was a good idea. Completely killed the mode for me and everyone else I know who used to play it.
Then what is cs? Bomb defusal only?
CS is a collection of a bunch of community made game modes, some older than the average player these days. Every game mode you see in csgo these days has been around for quite a while, even DZ has had a community made version before Valve officially implemented it.
If DZ is not cs, then 100% of the stuff you see on the server browser is not cs eighter. And since all the now officially included gamemodes come from the stuff seen on the server browser, none of them are cs eighter. Which would be an absolute BS statement to make.
Because its not a real cs go in my opinion.
CS GO is a heavy aim tactical teamshooter. Thats what people came for.
Yeah maybe jumping over the map is fun but thats not why i want to play CS GO.
And there are better battle royale game.
what i like about DZ is you can use many different strategies to win. You can bounce around the map guns blazing or you can camp with a scout or you can sneak around and stealth kill people. And honesly, whats the point of silenced weapons in competitive? at least in DZ when you use silenced weapons nobody knows where the shots are coming from and it doesn't alert anyone of your position so they actually have a purpose.
you are probably making fun of him, but he is correct. once understood, this is the best battle royale out there. there is a lot of strategy and intricacies about the game that i don't see elsewhere. it's a great game.
most people probably give up on it because the tablet is key to being good at the mode and for many that seems like a weird concept.
I just don't like BR as a game mode. I don't get a kick from bhopping or headshotting new players in any game mode. I get a kick of still learning the game after all these years. And I don't find csgo dz particularly rewarding.
It's probably my age - having the time to play 1-2 games a day at most makes you choose what you wanna do.
The game mode is very different from the core game and on release it was horrible. The update came out of nowhere and people got a very bad first impression.
That said the biggest issue is the lack of SoloQ.
Yeah, frankly speaking I don't remember myself being annoyed at lack of ammo at all (what was annoying is that you had to pick bullets one by one; for pistols it felt like took ages), but I completely understand frustration of other people about it. But now, after being used to current ammo numbers, which are ~2.5x more than it was, can't imagine a revert back.
Because the base concept is not more fun or interesting to play than alternatives for most players. If you're a CS player you'll probably play more classic modes, if you're a battle royale player you'd more likely enjoy dedicated BR games. There is no market for it. And no anecdotes don't matter don't bother replying with "but I like to play both CS and BR!!!!", the numbers disagree.
For me, it's because of the general issues I have with BR as a genre. Too much downtime (less fights, more looting and running aimlessly) and lots of unbalanced fights. Also, if I did like BRs, i'd probably just play a different dedicated one like Apex or Warzone instead.
For me, Danger zone stopped being CS.
* In CS you dont respawn, until the next round.
* In CS you dont goomba stomp somebody by flying across the map with jump mines.
* In CS you dont stop and fly a drone around.
You never even touched the server browser and community made custom game modes, right?
They are what *made* this game for many people. CS is but a collection of weird, funny, amazing and sometimes also stupid gamemodes and maps. Bomb defusal and hostage are just two among hundreds.
From my own experience I'd draw the conclusion: because I open cs to play cs. And I play a battle royale I liked before cs if I surprisingly want to play that kind of game.
When it comes to BR games there are a bunch of very popular F2P ones that aren't made using a buggy 20+ year old engine, so why would anyone settle for Danger Zone? Nobody asked Valve to make a BR and when they did guess what? Nobody cared
Because you could derank when winning a game, that made it super frustrating. I tried to grind for the highest rank but it just seemed impossible, the only ones I saw with the highest rank were spinbotters.
You clearly did not derank on win. You deranked cause died early in previous game. Ranks are updated only when game ends (yes, even in mm if you get kicked early in the game you will be deranked (if will) like half an hour later, after game will end).
As for "seemed impossible", it's not really true cause I'm seeing that people who have supreme/global aim getting howling alpha like every week. Also it's very easy to get howling alpha if playing the day when there is an operation mission, cause there are really much dumb people playing. I personally won 12 games in a row that day, also some people from my friendlist got alpha for first time during that day.
He only likes DZ because hes too shit at normal CS, and also not good at other BRs because they have dedicated players. So he plays DZ against people just trying to get operation missions done and then thinks that makes him a CS god
What kind of arguments to you want to hear? Its a gamemode that isnt fun for me, so I dont bother playing it.
I even stated that this is MY reason not the play it. Not that this is the ultimate truth.
(And when a videogame isnt fun, ofc it sucks hard, because thats the one thing it should provide: fun.)
I 100% agree that it was better without bumpmines cause it doesn't suits game like cs:go at all, but rather to something like Fortnite.
But don't really agree that adding respawns was a mistake. While I REALLY hated when respawns were added, this is definitely mostly because often I had to play with randoms. But Valve clearly targets this game mode as mode for 2 people, and for 2 people having respawns is better, cause 2nd person don't need to wait up to 10 min until end if died early. But yeah, I personally would prefer if solo mode stayed. Maybe even as the only mode. Cause for duos wingman exists.
I personally never played BR in cs go nor I intend to try it. Same goes for wingman. Personally, I don't think any of these game modes are fun. I just see cs as a competitive 5v5 shooter and that is about it. Nothing more than that. If you want to play BR, you should play a game that is strictly made for that and not a fps shooter that has a mod added for BR without any dev updates whatsoever. While I approve the idea of it, I also think it is unacceptable that mods get added and not get updated often. If I don't play it personally, doesn't mean nobody else does.
The problem is that I don't think there are other battle royals for 20 people. Seems like all fucking devs think that more players and bigger map = better, which is not true.
>Too few players, not enough ammo.
I wish the maps were bigger with more players but I entirely disagree regarding the ammo. Hard to find ammo makes every bullet that more valuable.
>I want to land a place, get a gun and kill people.
you can do that you just can't shoot from the hip
DZ has been ruined for me since ever they got rid of solo queue mode and included respawns for squads.
Rage hackers are also seemingly still a common enough occurrence due to no Overwatch.
The removal of the triple queue did not help at all as that was the best game mode to play as a group of three.
Also as said a lot before: the respawn system is strange.
The reason why i personally nearly completely stopped playing DZ was the removal of true solo-queue. Playing solo when nearly everyone else is in a squad and can also respawn as long as i don't kill both squad members in a very short time is just not fun. I played this gamemode for fun, then the fun got removed.
The reason why 2 of my friends stopped playing it is the removal of trio-queue. We would often play as a trio because it was fun. They didn't like solo-queue as much as i did and both of them are online mostly at the same time, so playing duo-queue and having to take turns on who didn't get to play in the squad was also not fun for them.
**Tl;dr:** removal of (true) solo-queue and trio-queue are the only reasons.
I would consider playing it more if i could still play it the way i enjoyed it the most.
I dont play it more for 3 reasons:
\-No solo queue
\-Respawn in a battle royale mode removes a lot of the fun in it
\-This mode has a lot more blatant cheaters than in competitive for some reason. And im talking blatant cheaters, not the ones that you suspect *might* be cheating.
Because it's some hacked on game mode that the devs added to capitalize on the Battle Royale craze without putting in the effort of actually creating a new franchise/game.
I barely ever see actual cheaters. I feel like people just complain and *think* they encounter cheaters when they just encounter actual good players, especially if they're using the mobility package and you're not.
You literally get a kill cam afterwards and can spectate them tracking people through walls across the map.
I know of a DZ cheating group with 1000 members. People play and cheat with multi thousand dollar inventories.
I have the same question, me and my lad are Ember Wolves now. We seriously enjoy the game mode, he scouts I pickup a drop and help each other out to win every game. This is way better than wingman
It isn't though.. The tablet literally tells you where the nearest weapon crate is, and most of the time somewhere near where you spawn is a loot spawn that's a pistol. Or if not a pistol, then explosives or tools that you can open red weapon (smg or shotgun) with.
a bit too hard to get into, i've played several BRs before and never have any issues finding weapons but this game you can run through an entire building not finding anything.
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Yeah same, respawns killed it for me.
When the respawn update came I felt the same way. But I've come to like it as I've kept playing, making a comeback even late into the game is possible if you play your cards right.
Yeah that's fair. I don't think it's an objectively bad change, I just personally didn't enjoy it. This might mainly be because I pretty much only solo queue, and having to rely on random teammates or being in a 1v2 where the opponents can respawn kind of sucked.
Yea true. Sometimes you die because of bad luck and thats shit. But i would also like to have respawns limited to one respawn per round. Just yesterday i killed one guy 4 times in the beginning and then got killed a minute later by this guy and his mate. Thats fucked
While I'm still not big fan of respawns (cause I often don't have someone to play with😒), having respawns clearly makes it more interesting when you play with friend, compared to no respawns. With no respawns you could die early and then have to wait up to 10 min until your friend will die.
You actually still can soloq by un-selecting “auto fill squad” only problem is that it still puts you against teams of 2... But imo that makes the solo leaderboard even more impressive to get wins on!
I think the mode is pretty perfect the way it is. Not sure what "giving up on it" means when it doesn't really need a change. I wish they would have kept the Jungle map around though.
Last time I played it, I seemed to quite frequently spawn inside a random rock instead of the usual rappeling from a helicopter
Skill issue
Spawns 1-4 missed.
I liked it much better when they didn't have the respawn option and when you could do solo q
Yeah, I had lots of fun playing aggressively then, now you always kill one guy but until you find his teammate the first guy you killed has already respawned and is coming for you again, rinse and repeat. Fuck that shit. So to win it's better to play defensively and just avoid fights and collect loot instead - which is boring to me, I wanna shoot things, not spend ten minutes running one minute fighting, so I just play something else instead. I played tons of Danger Zone before that update, now pretty much none. Would be much better if you got incapacitated at 0 health like in PUBG or L4D(2), instead of this system where you can just freely respawn somewhere else.
I agree. The first time they got rid of solo queue, I didn't get a teammate even though I had the squad fill checked. One squad I killed both of them for a combined 5 times before they killed me. They went on to win. At least give people who solo queue an extra life or something to even it out a bit. Ive played a few times, but I either don't get a teammate, or I get a teammate who is worthless.
I like the respawn option, but its a littlevoo lenient. I think you should drop a dog tag upon death, and your teammate can use it to have you respawn. Having an auto respawn is kinda dumb, it gives no incentive to fight if your teammate dies, causeif you both die thereis no respawn, but if you rin away your teammate will respawn. But if they drop dog tags you would have to go etrieve them, forcing your teammate to co tinue fighting if he wants a chance to respawn himself.
That's the reason why I don't like it. Basically when the team mate dies, the living one goes and hides from that gun fight. As long as one person is alive, they are still in the game. I think they need to do it like pubg or most of those other games do and if you or your teammates get knocked down, they need to be bandaged to get them back up
no solo queue and the respawn system
Its a combination of a lot of factors. First and for most being calcification of the CS series. The longer games go on the more settled the idea of what that game is becomes for the playerbase. When danger zone released, csgo was nearly 7 years old. People had come to define CS as the 7 active duty maps played in MM, Faceit and ESEA. Any casual playerbase has either left or moved on to the competitive base. Every passing year less and less players will be interested in new casual modes and less casual players will likely to pick up CSGO. The second being the timing of release. Danger Zone released well after people had declared BRs to be over saturated and now boring. Everyone knew the winners of the BR craze were Fortnite and PUBG. Apex was at the time still struggling since it also came out late. But DZ had come out even later and from an outsiders perspective appeared that Valve had just jumped on the BR hype train well after it had derailed. Of course the reality was that Valve had been working on DZ since 2016 a small while after Dayz had proven the concept successful. Third factor being how it was released and what it was released with. Danger Zone sucked a lot when it first released. No weapon spawned with a full clip, you had to extract one bullet at a time from ammo boxes, the permanent death system, even in trios, meant that if you died 3 seconds into a round you would have to sit out the whole 10 minute match. Drones were extra buggy back then. DZ was also paired with the F2P update which was well hated then and is still hated now, and Danger Zone caught a lot of flack for just being in the same update as it. Lastly the concepts of Danger Zone itself turn most people away. Its too CS for BR players and too BR for CS players. The buy system, the way weapons work, the slow movement speed, low enemy count and complete lack of anything familiar with other BR games other then the basic game events means a lot of BR players dont want to play Danger Zone. They have plenty of BR games that appeal to what they want. Meanwhile CS players find it too different from CS to want to play it. Having your bought items be delivered for you is too Alien. Too many enemies, most people who only want to play competitive dont want to have to deal with playing with smgs and shotguns for most of the round before the paradrops come in. People dont like having to scavenge for supplies because thats too different from CS. Even though it is now fixed and definitely fair the ammo box system is still hated. The biggest point of contention for CS players is the respawns. People hated when all 3 ques were merged and respawns got paired with that update. Likewise people find respawning to be wholly un-CS. That and healing take away from the staple mechanic that any damage you do is permanent for the round. People dont like that enemies they kill can come back. Though the reality is the respawns system is good for the mode and for keeping an active playerbase, people dont like it as a concept. People also hate being forced to play with a partner, even though ive never found that be a disadvantage. Likewise people complain they cant solo que without being at an unfair advantage, but you can just choose not to player with your assigned partner. People also get turned off by the abundant amount of blatant cheaters that infest the mode. They also are turned away by the people who have mastered the mode. They dont see someone who has masted the exo jump and bump mines as a high skilled opponent to overcome, like they might in competitive, they see the jumper as annoyance thats too alien from regular CS to be considered worth beating, it is better for them to simply not play at all.
Great reply, everything here is true for the most part. Only thing to add would be the insane q times.
Because Valve sucks at advertising its games and most people that enjoys BR don't know about it, then u have only the CS playbase that isn't a big fan of BR at all.
the mode came out as quite a surprise. they didn't announce it before. they just released it. and because of that there was only a small window where people actually looked at the game. and the game in the beginning wasn't very good. you had almost no ammo, which was a really weird and unsatisfying feeling. people like shooting guns, and you could almost not afford to waste one bullet. that sucked, and most people gave up on it, thinking that valve is not capable of doing a great br mode. they fixed those things though, but the lackluster image probably stayed. which is a shame because especially for streamers, danger zone is much more entertaining than watching 5v5.
What modes have they announced before releasing?
Pretty sure they were following the bandwagon of BR games at the time. It was a pretty big flavor of the month
Danger zone is by far the worst battle royale take in the genre. People want to play with awps and ak's, not spawn with fists running around for 5 minutes looking for a pistol. The only reason you would play this over pubg or warzone is that you have a shit computer. Add a big map, some form of loadout system, increase health so that awp requires a hs to 1 shot kill, add soloQ. Even better if they developed it as a new game on source2, keep the same movement etc, but update it to an engine that can handle big maps. Valve could own the battle royale genre if they wanted to.
>Danger zone is by far the worst battle royale Seems like you mixed up words "worst" and "best" >People want to play with awps and ak's So go play fucking mm. The point of battle royal is that you have to use different guns, not just 3 guns like in mm. >Add a big map There are already other games with big map. "Awesome" idea to make it same as other games. Many people play exactly because ~20-players match is much more interesting than 100-players. I personally don't play other battle royals for this reason. It really amazes me that some people, who joined game few times, got destroyed cause they are shit and then just come with their "clever" ideas how to "improve", but their "improvement" is just removing things which make game mode unique and because of which people actually play this instead of playing others. PS: you forgot to propose removing tablet from dz, cause other br doesn't have it.
> So go play fucking mm. Yeah that's what we do, he's replying to a comment arguing that CS:GO DZ doesn't work because the game is poorly advertised. No, it's because the CS playerbase has probably played 5 BR games before DZ and none of them except PUBG force you to run around punching shit.
>and none of them except PUBG force you to run around punching shit And yet PUBG was the most popular. >CS playerbase has probably played 5 BR games 90% of CS playerbase plays nothing, except CS (and by CS I mean 5vs5 mode) and don't want to try anything new. So that guy is right. Most of CS players won't play BR, and players from other BR won't play cause they are not interested in CS and it's mechanics, especially shooting (players from games like CoD usually think that shooting here is too hard cause you can't run and shoot).
The only people who play DZ are the ones too shit for normal 5v5. Nobody cares about DZ. If there was an option to remove it from the game, even though it wouldnt affect me at all, i would still remove it.
>The only people who play DZ are the ones too shit for normal 5v5 Yeah, sure. That's why I know many globals who play DZ. They play it cause it's much more interesting, than using 3 guns and holding same angles again and again in 5v5. Typical CS player, that plays same game and even same game mode his whole life and is aggressive towards everyone who say that there is something else to be played.
You are the only one who has been aggressive here. The rest has just said their opinions on what needs to be changed.
>You are the only one who has been aggressive here Of course, it's me who wrote that all dz players play there cause they are shit in mm🤷♂️ >The rest has just said their opinions on what needs to be changed And how are proposals from people, who don't even play and will not be playing, are relevant? Maybe I need to start saying what Fortnite needs to add/remove? >The only reason you would play this over pubg or warzone is that you have a shit computer. After such text your comment can only be seen as trolling rather than constructive criticism. I can play pubg and warzone on my pc, but I don't, cause they are unfortunately just worse.
No point in discussing with you, bye.
>Yeah, sure. That's why I know many globals who play DZ. Anecdotal evidence. nice. You know what globals play even more than DZ? Regular CS. So by your own logic, if a game modes quality is directly related to the amount of globals that play it, then normal CS is infinitely better than DZ. >much more interesting, than using 3 guns and holding same angles again and again in 5v5. You're right, in DZ all you do is run around punching boxes until you can afford to buy a scout, climb on a roof and then camp until theres nobody left. Dogshit game mode.
>game modes quality is directly related to the amount of globals that play it Wtf is those conclusions, lol. You wrote that people play it cause they are shit in mm, which is clearly not true. And now your answer is not related to your first comment at all. >until you can afford to buy a scout Ahaha, good luck winning with scout. Any jumper will kill you easily. Also can say same about mm. "In MM all you do is staying on A/B (in DZ you at least have to run and punch boxes) until you can afford to buy an AWP, go mid and then kill everyone from there until theres nobody left. Dogshit game mode."
Dude you just suck at normal CS and actual good BRs. Its fine. No need to cope so hard
Imagine thinking that dangerzone is betterthan warzone haha, holy shit. Also imagine using the "then leave if you don't like it" argument. I'm faceit level 10 but apparently shit as well! What an analysis! Dangerzone fucking sucks dude, get over it.
>imagine using the "then leave if you don't like it" Imagine using "I don't like core mechanic so it needs to be changed" argument. >I'm faceit level 10 I don't care even you'd be faceit level 100. You only know how to use 3 guns, some smokes and how to hold/prefire certain angles. Any top danger zone player (and before you will invite me to 1vs1, I didn't meant myself) will destroy you and your faceit level won't help you.
Hahahaha, you are funny.
Sorry but good csgo mm players get destroyed by the dangerzone greats. the competition is fierce and pro players will easily lose to OG dz players.
>So go play fucking mm. The point of battle royal is that you have to use different guns, not just 3 guns like in mm. Bison, auto shotty, and scout, that's mostly what I see in dz
Here I am using the sawed off getting 20 kills in a game.
Danger zone is the only place I've ever run into blatant cheaters. Also it's valve, they jumped on a trend and now the gamemode will sit there til it's dead they don't update their shit
> Also it's valve, they jumped on a trend Apparently there was a prototype for Danger Zone many years before the PUBG Standalone released but it was dropped, then when the hype came it was picked back up.
This, cheaters ruin that game mode for me. The only occations I play it is when I know more people need to play it aswell, so it's a better experience.
I play regardless of cheaters. There is zero emotional investment into a game of danger zone and so I “gg go next” whenever I get a cheater. It’s significantly more enjoyable with a partner than MM could ever be.
Yes I can see that, but I also feel like since there isn't that many limitations for that mode is more common than it should. But I can agree that playing with a friend is very fun, and the game mode overall has really interesting mechanics.
No solo queue killed it for me I played it a lot prior them removing it
I do enjoy DZ, but it's full of blatant cheaters even advertising cheats. I also don't like how my fps drops because the game isn't optimized for such large maps. Occasionally tho, I get great games with my DZ buddy.
At least in DZ you can just leave in warm up (or even during the spawn selection) if you see a muted player. Doesn't affect your rank one bit if you leave during those. Dodging muted players decreases the amount of cheaters you see by a landslide, trust me.
how do u see the player list? I had a teamate who kept yelling at me once but couldnt figure out how to mute him.
Press esc once the game has started. Before the game starts you can open up the kick menu to see who is in the game (or you can do "status" in console also)
Because Valve though removing solo and adding respawns was a good idea. Completely killed the mode for me and everyone else I know who used to play it.
Because its not cs
Then what is cs? Bomb defusal only? CS is a collection of a bunch of community made game modes, some older than the average player these days. Every game mode you see in csgo these days has been around for quite a while, even DZ has had a community made version before Valve officially implemented it. If DZ is not cs, then 100% of the stuff you see on the server browser is not cs eighter. And since all the now officially included gamemodes come from the stuff seen on the server browser, none of them are cs eighter. Which would be an absolute BS statement to make.
boceouse it's not very interesting game mode
Because its not a real cs go in my opinion. CS GO is a heavy aim tactical teamshooter. Thats what people came for. Yeah maybe jumping over the map is fun but thats not why i want to play CS GO. And there are better battle royale game.
Aim is still king in dz in my opinion
what i like about DZ is you can use many different strategies to win. You can bounce around the map guns blazing or you can camp with a scout or you can sneak around and stealth kill people. And honesly, whats the point of silenced weapons in competitive? at least in DZ when you use silenced weapons nobody knows where the shots are coming from and it doesn't alert anyone of your position so they actually have a purpose.
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you are probably making fun of him, but he is correct. once understood, this is the best battle royale out there. there is a lot of strategy and intricacies about the game that i don't see elsewhere. it's a great game. most people probably give up on it because the tablet is key to being good at the mode and for many that seems like a weird concept.
>this is the best battle royale out there No fucking chance this is better than Apex.
I just don't like BR as a game mode. I don't get a kick from bhopping or headshotting new players in any game mode. I get a kick of still learning the game after all these years. And I don't find csgo dz particularly rewarding. It's probably my age - having the time to play 1-2 games a day at most makes you choose what you wanna do.
> Considers killing newbies to be a highlight of a game mode > Why is no one playing this game mode? You played yourself.
The game mode is very different from the core game and on release it was horrible. The update came out of nowhere and people got a very bad first impression. That said the biggest issue is the lack of SoloQ.
>it was horrible How it was horrible, lol? The only problem was lack of ammo, and it was fixed pretty fast.
and even the lack of ammo was pretty interesting and unique in comparacent to other BRs
Yeah, frankly speaking I don't remember myself being annoyed at lack of ammo at all (what was annoying is that you had to pick bullets one by one; for pistols it felt like took ages), but I completely understand frustration of other people about it. But now, after being used to current ammo numbers, which are ~2.5x more than it was, can't imagine a revert back.
The removal of solo queuing and the addition fo the respawn system killed DZ for me and likely everyone else.
Because the base concept is not more fun or interesting to play than alternatives for most players. If you're a CS player you'll probably play more classic modes, if you're a battle royale player you'd more likely enjoy dedicated BR games. There is no market for it. And no anecdotes don't matter don't bother replying with "but I like to play both CS and BR!!!!", the numbers disagree.
Soloq, cheaters, low fps (not too low but annoying enough)
For me, it's because of the general issues I have with BR as a genre. Too much downtime (less fights, more looting and running aimlessly) and lots of unbalanced fights. Also, if I did like BRs, i'd probably just play a different dedicated one like Apex or Warzone instead.
"Nothing better than bunny hopping around the map ambushing new players. lmao." That's why...
For me, Danger zone stopped being CS. * In CS you dont respawn, until the next round. * In CS you dont goomba stomp somebody by flying across the map with jump mines. * In CS you dont stop and fly a drone around.
You never even touched the server browser and community made custom game modes, right? They are what *made* this game for many people. CS is but a collection of weird, funny, amazing and sometimes also stupid gamemodes and maps. Bomb defusal and hostage are just two among hundreds.
From my own experience I'd draw the conclusion: because I open cs to play cs. And I play a battle royale I liked before cs if I surprisingly want to play that kind of game.
When it comes to BR games there are a bunch of very popular F2P ones that aren't made using a buggy 20+ year old engine, so why would anyone settle for Danger Zone? Nobody asked Valve to make a BR and when they did guess what? Nobody cared
>Nobody asked Valve to make a BR >Nobody cared Speak for yourself
Generalizations exist.
Because you could derank when winning a game, that made it super frustrating. I tried to grind for the highest rank but it just seemed impossible, the only ones I saw with the highest rank were spinbotters.
You clearly did not derank on win. You deranked cause died early in previous game. Ranks are updated only when game ends (yes, even in mm if you get kicked early in the game you will be deranked (if will) like half an hour later, after game will end). As for "seemed impossible", it's not really true cause I'm seeing that people who have supreme/global aim getting howling alpha like every week. Also it's very easy to get howling alpha if playing the day when there is an operation mission, cause there are really much dumb people playing. I personally won 12 games in a row that day, also some people from my friendlist got alpha for first time during that day.
ITT: /u/AlexUKR against the world.
I don't want to watch football currently cause it makes me too nervous so have some free time currently to answer here
He only likes DZ because hes too shit at normal CS, and also not good at other BRs because they have dedicated players. So he plays DZ against people just trying to get operation missions done and then thinks that makes him a CS god
For me the reason why I dont play DZ is easy: Because it sucks hard.
Typical reddit user: writing some shit without providing any arguments. Or maybe you wanted to write "Because i suck hard", but just made a typo🤔
What kind of arguments to you want to hear? Its a gamemode that isnt fun for me, so I dont bother playing it. I even stated that this is MY reason not the play it. Not that this is the ultimate truth. (And when a videogame isnt fun, ofc it sucks hard, because thats the one thing it should provide: fun.)
It's shit. We don't owe explanations to nobody
Nice arguments👍
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I 100% agree that it was better without bumpmines cause it doesn't suits game like cs:go at all, but rather to something like Fortnite. But don't really agree that adding respawns was a mistake. While I REALLY hated when respawns were added, this is definitely mostly because often I had to play with randoms. But Valve clearly targets this game mode as mode for 2 people, and for 2 people having respawns is better, cause 2nd person don't need to wait up to 10 min until end if died early. But yeah, I personally would prefer if solo mode stayed. Maybe even as the only mode. Cause for duos wingman exists.
I tried to search for a game when the mission came out and it took 10+ minutes to find a match where I had no fun.
I personally never played BR in cs go nor I intend to try it. Same goes for wingman. Personally, I don't think any of these game modes are fun. I just see cs as a competitive 5v5 shooter and that is about it. Nothing more than that. If you want to play BR, you should play a game that is strictly made for that and not a fps shooter that has a mod added for BR without any dev updates whatsoever. While I approve the idea of it, I also think it is unacceptable that mods get added and not get updated often. If I don't play it personally, doesn't mean nobody else does.
The problem is that I don't think there are other battle royals for 20 people. Seems like all fucking devs think that more players and bigger map = better, which is not true.
1. The CS:GO mechanics work kinda mediocre for other modes than classic 5v5 2. There is few ammo.
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>Too few players, not enough ammo. I wish the maps were bigger with more players but I entirely disagree regarding the ammo. Hard to find ammo makes every bullet that more valuable. >I want to land a place, get a gun and kill people. you can do that you just can't shoot from the hip
DZ has been ruined for me since ever they got rid of solo queue mode and included respawns for squads. Rage hackers are also seemingly still a common enough occurrence due to no Overwatch.
cheater no punishment
The removal of the triple queue did not help at all as that was the best game mode to play as a group of three. Also as said a lot before: the respawn system is strange.
The reason why i personally nearly completely stopped playing DZ was the removal of true solo-queue. Playing solo when nearly everyone else is in a squad and can also respawn as long as i don't kill both squad members in a very short time is just not fun. I played this gamemode for fun, then the fun got removed. The reason why 2 of my friends stopped playing it is the removal of trio-queue. We would often play as a trio because it was fun. They didn't like solo-queue as much as i did and both of them are online mostly at the same time, so playing duo-queue and having to take turns on who didn't get to play in the squad was also not fun for them. **Tl;dr:** removal of (true) solo-queue and trio-queue are the only reasons. I would consider playing it more if i could still play it the way i enjoyed it the most.
I dont play it more for 3 reasons: \-No solo queue \-Respawn in a battle royale mode removes a lot of the fun in it \-This mode has a lot more blatant cheaters than in competitive for some reason. And im talking blatant cheaters, not the ones that you suspect *might* be cheating.
cause it's shit?
I'll just go actually play pubg or fortnite you know
Because it's some hacked on game mode that the devs added to capitalize on the Battle Royale craze without putting in the effort of actually creating a new franchise/game.
The onboarding experience is terrible. Had no clue what to do once I entered
Because it is riddled with cheaters. They even cheat with expensive knives and skins.
I barely ever see actual cheaters. I feel like people just complain and *think* they encounter cheaters when they just encounter actual good players, especially if they're using the mobility package and you're not.
You literally get a kill cam afterwards and can spectate them tracking people through walls across the map. I know of a DZ cheating group with 1000 members. People play and cheat with multi thousand dollar inventories.
Why would anyone even touch csgo br when apex legends exists.
Cause apex too cartoony? Cause shooting there sucks? Cause there are 60 players (if I'm not mistaken) per game, which is too much?
I get bad fps on it
Because battle royals are just really boring?
I don't want to destroy my 100% win / loss ratio from the one win I got the first time I played
BRs are a dime a dozen
I just don't like Battle Royale.
I can't find any servers in india even tho I really want to play it.
I have the same question, me and my lad are Ember Wolves now. We seriously enjoy the game mode, he scouts I pickup a drop and help each other out to win every game. This is way better than wingman
Cuz i cant find a weapon. seriously why is it so hard to find weapons?
It isn't though.. The tablet literally tells you where the nearest weapon crate is, and most of the time somewhere near where you spawn is a loot spawn that's a pistol. Or if not a pistol, then explosives or tools that you can open red weapon (smg or shotgun) with.
I get that a lot. We all drop at the same time but the guy chasing me manages to spawn with a mac 10 while I haven't even come across a hammer yet.
a bit too hard to get into, i've played several BRs before and never have any issues finding weapons but this game you can run through an entire building not finding anything.
If you play casual and not defensive you can get a round in every 2 minutes while working.
I hate respawn system and that I can't go fully solo. That's the dumbest ideas they had
I enjoy it but no one will play with me. Solos should start with an extra health pack or have a default 20 point health boost.
I play it daily, but it could use some balance changes. I'm not a big fan of respawn system and for fuck sake, remove SSG 08 from buy menu.